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(NYPost)   Jets head coach Rex Ryan says that his team's rookie class is as strong a class as he's ever seen in NFL history   (nypost.com) divider line 40
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2013-12-05 12:25:22 PM
Oh shut the fark up you clown.  Go be a defensive coordinator somewhere before you fark up another quarterback, sheesh.
 
2013-12-05 01:21:09 PM
He said he is particualrly proud of their footwork.
 
2013-12-05 01:36:13 PM
How does Rex Ryan still have a job? Is it sex-related blackmail? I'm betting it's sex-related blackmail.
 
2013-12-05 01:38:24 PM
The 2012 Seahawks class would like a word.
 
2013-12-05 02:09:08 PM
The 2012 Seahawks class would like a word.

But "performance enhancing drugs" is three words....
 
2013-12-05 02:10:56 PM
1996 Baltimore No Name Yets.

2 Hall of Fame players arguably best ever at their positions and a third pro-bowler.
 
2013-12-05 02:16:07 PM
Was he asked about it? If he just decided to say they were a great class, I'd say he's an idiot. If (during a press conference) someone asked, "Do you like your rookie class?" I don't know what you guys expect him to say. NO THEY SUCK NEXT QUESTION?

Anyway, I am NOT a Jets fan. I don't even know much about the Jets. I just hate it when reporters ask coaches no-win questions and then run a headline off it. Like when reporters ask (seemingly every year) a head coach or owner if he thinks the team is good enough to go to the Super Bowl. Of course he's going to say yes. You can't say no.
 
2013-12-05 02:16:11 PM
And when Rex is finally fired, what coach would want to go to the mess that is the NY Jets?
 
2013-12-05 02:19:34 PM

jake_lex: He said he is particualrly proud of their footwork.


They've bought into his system like good little foot-soldiers.
 
2013-12-05 02:20:32 PM

skinink: And when Rex is finally fired, what coach would want to go to the mess that is the NY Jets?


Just about anybody that isn't currently a head coach. Don't underestimate how hard it is to get an NFL head coaching job, and how glamorous they are. The Seahawks DC left a good situation with the Seadderall THChawks to take the Jaguars job, which is probably the worst head coaching job in sports. And had Greg Roman (Niners offensive coordinator) been offered the job, he would have left a good situation in SF to take it. Being in that NFL head coaching fraternity is like being a made man in the mob; you're set for life because you have that on your resume.
 
2013-12-05 02:28:43 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: The 2012 Seahawks class would like a word.

But "performance enhancing drugs" is three words....


I'll give you the Bruce Irvin suspension, but what else are you talking about?
 
2013-12-05 02:30:23 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: skinink: And when Rex is finally fired, what coach would want to go to the mess that is the NY Jets?

Just about anybody that isn't currently a head coach. Don't underestimate how hard it is to get an NFL head coaching job, and how glamorous they are. The Seahawks DC left a good situation with the Seadderall THChawks to take the Jaguars job, which is probably the worst head coaching job in sports. And had Greg Roman (Niners offensive coordinator) been offered the job, he would have left a good situation in SF to take it. Being in that NFL head coaching fraternity is like being a made man in the mob; you're set for life because you have that on your resume.


Bradley was given the Carroll deal. Take a piece of crap and build your team. His job is safe and he can get his guys and do it his way. The worst HC job in the NFL would be Dallas or something where you're just there to try not to f*ck up clock management while someone else makes all the decisions.
 
2013-12-05 02:33:58 PM
It wouldn't kill him to learn how to answer a question without using ridiculous hyperbole.

He'll be perfect for the NFL broadcast booth, though.  Those guys love using superlatives to describe the mediocre and mundane.
 
2013-12-05 02:34:52 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: Being in that NFL head coaching fraternity is like being a made man in the mob; you're set for life because you have that on your resume.


Unless you are Tony Sparano.

I think Rex Ryan might wind up in Miami at some point. Especially depending on how the Incognito shiatshow pans out.
 
2013-12-05 02:35:52 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: skinink: And when Rex is finally fired, what coach would want to go to the mess that is the NY Jets?

Just about anybody that isn't currently a head coach. Don't underestimate how hard it is to get an NFL head coaching job, and how glamorous they are. The Seahawks DC left a good situation with the Seadderall THChawks to take the Jaguars job, which is probably the worst head coaching job in sports. And had Greg Roman (Niners offensive coordinator) been offered the job, he would have left a good situation in SF to take it. Being in that NFL head coaching fraternity is like being a made man in the mob; you're set for life because you have that on your resume.


Yeah that really is the long and the short of it. Any football coach would take a HC position, with very rare exceptions, in a heartbeat. There can only be 32 at a time, they are well paid, and if they screw up once, generally they get a second chance.

I would jump at it if I were given the opportunity and experience
 
2013-12-05 02:38:49 PM
I do think that in time the Jets' draft class may prove to be one of the better ones (of 2013 that is, not of all time). It all depends on Geno, of course. A few weeks ago I confidently asserted Geno would definitely be their starter next year; while I'm no longer confident about that, he definitely remains in their plans and will get more chances. I think Milliner will come around (CB is a tough position for a rookie and all the first-round CBs are struggling), Richardson is a stud and they probably have another long-term starter or two in this group, like maybe Winters. That's enough to make it a pretty good draft class. Obviously you can't judge before even one season is complete.
 
2013-12-05 02:46:09 PM

H31N0US: Why Would I Read the Article: Being in that NFL head coaching fraternity is like being a made man in the mob; you're set for life because you have that on your resume.

Unless you are Tony Sparano.

I think Rex Ryan might wind up in Miami at some point. Especially depending on how the Incognito shiatshow pans out.


I see Sparano and Dickognito opting for the high-paying world of a middle school gym teacher.
 
2013-12-05 02:46:20 PM

H31N0US: Why Would I Read the Article: Being in that NFL head coaching fraternity is like being a made man in the mob; you're set for life because you have that on your resume.

Unless you are Tony Sparano.

I think Rex Ryan might wind up in Miami at some point. Especially depending on how the Incognito shiatshow pans out.


NO WAY

Even if the job became available because of that crapshow, they wouldnt take him. He is a QB destroyer and Tanneyhill still has potential to be a far above average one...
 
2013-12-05 03:00:09 PM
Pittsburgh Steelers, 1974. Four Hall of Famers.
 
2013-12-05 03:08:58 PM

H31N0US: Why Would I Read the Article: Being in that NFL head coaching fraternity is like being a made man in the mob; you're set for life because you have that on your resume.

Unless you are Tony Sparano. Soprano.

I think Rex Ryan might wind up in Miami at some point. Especially depending on how the Incognito shiatshow pans out.


Fix't
 
2013-12-05 03:15:14 PM

Robert1966: Pittsburgh Steelers, 1974. Four Hall of Famers.


I was about to mention that, but then I clicked TFA and they had it in the first sentence.

/they might have four HOFers, but two of them are just Lynn Swann and John Stallworth, so
//still a great class
 
2013-12-05 04:10:10 PM

Super Chronic: Robert1966: Pittsburgh Steelers, 1974. Four Hall of Famers.

I was about to mention that, but then I clicked TFA and they had it in the first sentence.

/they might have four HOFers, but two of them are just Lynn Swann and John Stallworth, so
//still a great class


Obviously I DRTFA - not sure if that's a crime or expected this week. Whatever you think of those receivers, there's no way the Jets' 2013 class is going to have four HOFers, two of whom people think may not belong.
 
2013-12-05 04:15:40 PM

Treygreen13: Was he asked about it? If he just decided to say they were a great class, I'd say he's an idiot. If (during a press conference) someone asked, "Do you like your rookie class?" I don't know what you guys expect him to say. NO THEY SUCK NEXT QUESTION?

Anyway, I am NOT a Jets fan. I don't even know much about the Jets. I just hate it when reporters ask coaches no-win questions and then run a headline off it. Like when reporters ask (seemingly every year) a head coach or owner if he thinks the team is good enough to go to the Super Bowl. Of course he's going to say yes. You can't say no.


"I've been impressed with them thus far.  They have had a few issues collectively, but given time, I hope and believe they will become very good, possibly exceptional players in the National Football League."  "Next question....."

No unwarranted bullshiat/hyperbole, no disrespect to other teams, past or present, no unnecessary praising nor unwarranted swipes of the players.
 
2013-12-05 04:17:03 PM
EJ Manuel, Robert Woods, Marquise Goodwin and Kiko Alonso. I think those four trump any number of the Jets rookies this year.
 
2013-12-05 04:22:15 PM

chevydeuce: Treygreen13: Was he asked about it? If he just decided to say they were a great class, I'd say he's an idiot. If (during a press conference) someone asked, "Do you like your rookie class?" I don't know what you guys expect him to say. NO THEY SUCK NEXT QUESTION?

Anyway, I am NOT a Jets fan. I don't even know much about the Jets. I just hate it when reporters ask coaches no-win questions and then run a headline off it. Like when reporters ask (seemingly every year) a head coach or owner if he thinks the team is good enough to go to the Super Bowl. Of course he's going to say yes. You can't say no.

"I've been impressed with them thus far.  They have had a few issues collectively, but given time, I hope and believe they will become very good, possibly exceptional players in the National Football League."  "Next question....."

No unwarranted bullshiat/hyperbole, no disrespect to other teams, past or present, no unnecessary praising nor unwarranted swipes of the players.


He has some good points in his actual comments.

"This class is about as strong a class as I've ever seen," Ryan said Wednesday. "If this is not an A-plus class I don't know what you're looking for," Ryan said. "You probably have the rookie of the year in Sheldon Richardson. If not, then I don't get it. Maybe it's another sport outside of football.
"You've got a young quarterback that has started every game. You've got a fullback that was our last pick - even though he's from Wake Forest, he's starting and done a nice job. He's a good player.
"You've got Winters, yeah he's had some struggles but guys, he's also done an outstanding job in some games and I think he's a guy that can be a starter for 10 years. He's got that kind of look about him. That's an outstanding pick. I don't know where we took him - third round, I guess.
"Dee, I understand has had some struggles. I'm not making excuses for him but he's a rookie corner. I don't know any other rookie corner that's come in the league, outside of probably Revis, that jumped right in. I think we've been a little spoiled here with the corner play. So, I think to me overall it's a great class. We have some young offensive linemen that we haven't played yet - Campbell, Aboushi."
 "I understand it's the New York media, but this might be a little tough," he said. "This is a bit of a stretch I think to criticize this draft class. I think it's as strong as I've ever seen."

They have 5 rookie starters and one is Rookie of the Year. He might be giving them more credit than they deserve (and I agree Geno looks pretty terrible) but if most of your rookies are starting right now it's not a BAD draft class.
 
2013-12-05 04:37:18 PM

Robert1966: Super Chronic: Robert1966: Pittsburgh Steelers, 1974. Four Hall of Famers.

I was about to mention that, but then I clicked TFA and they had it in the first sentence.

/they might have four HOFers, but two of them are just Lynn Swann and John Stallworth, so
//still a great class

Obviously I DRTFA - not sure if that's a crime or expected this week. Whatever you think of those receivers, there's no way the Jets' 2013 class is going to have four HOFers, two of whom people think may not belong.


I can at least understand an argument why Stallworth isn't Hall of Fame worthy, but are there reasonable people who think Lynn Swann's bust shouldn't be in the gallery?  He was one of the best receivers in the league for a decade, half of which was still in the era when defenders were still allowed to make contact downfield.  He's also one of the two or three most athletic receivers we've ever seen - he made catches nobody else in his era could.  And then there's the All-Decade honors and the iconic Super Bowl MVP performance.  I'm sorry, I just don't get the argument against, it was as ludicrous as keeping out Art Monk or Derrick Thomas.
 
2013-12-05 04:57:48 PM

UNC_Samurai: Robert1966: Super Chronic: Robert1966: Pittsburgh Steelers, 1974. Four Hall of Famers.

I was about to mention that, but then I clicked TFA and they had it in the first sentence.

/they might have four HOFers, but two of them are just Lynn Swann and John Stallworth, so
//still a great class

Obviously I DRTFA - not sure if that's a crime or expected this week. Whatever you think of those receivers, there's no way the Jets' 2013 class is going to have four HOFers, two of whom people think may not belong.

I can at least understand an argument why Stallworth isn't Hall of Fame worthy, but are there reasonable people who think Lynn Swann's bust shouldn't be in the gallery?  He was one of the best receivers in the league for a decade, half of which was still in the era when defenders were still allowed to make contact downfield.  He's also one of the two or three most athletic receivers we've ever seen - he made catches nobody else in his era could.  And then there's the All-Decade honors and the iconic Super Bowl MVP performance.  I'm sorry, I just don't get the argument against, it was as ludicrous as keeping out Art Monk or Derrick Thomas.


Yeah I really don't like the steelers all that much but you cannot deny Swann is HOF worthy
 
2013-12-05 05:01:07 PM

Treygreen13: He has some good points in his actual comments.


Sorry but you're not allowed to read what he actually said. You have to take part of what he said, inflate it beyond what he said, then criticize him for talking his team up too much. Then you have to act as though he's personally developing the crappy QBs they're getting.
 
2013-12-05 05:01:59 PM

IAmRight: Treygreen13: He has some good points in his actual comments.

Sorry but you're not allowed to read what he actually said. You have to take part of what he said, inflate it beyond what he said, then criticize him for talking his team up too much. Then you have to act as though he's personally developing the crappy QBs they're getting.


I'll remember that for the next "JERRY JONES SAYS COWBOYS GOING TO WIN SUPERBOWL" headline.
 
2013-12-05 05:05:29 PM

Treygreen13: I'll remember that for the next "JERRY JONES SAYS COWBOYS GOING TO WIN SUPERBOWL" headline.


Oh god now I hope he hires Rex when they finally get rid of Garrett.

"JERRY JONES AND REX RYAN DECLARE COWBOYS A TEAM OF DEMI-GODS, CAPABLE OF BENDING THE UNIVERSE TO THEIR WILL, AND WILL WIN THE NEXT 700,000 SUPER BOWLS"
 
2013-12-05 05:45:06 PM
I'm not too opposed to the idea that they drafted brilliantly and that his coaching is just stunting their talent.
 
2013-12-05 06:17:11 PM

regindyn: I'm not too opposed to the idea that they drafted brilliantly and that his coaching is just stunting their talent.


THAT is the most insightful thing I've seen on Fark in a long time....bravo!
 
2013-12-05 06:22:02 PM

Piizzadude: Yeah I really don't like the steelers all that much but you cannot deny Swann is HOF worthy


Lynn Swann has a less impressive resume than Terrell Davis but everyone from those 70s steeler teams got in they added Swann too. He came in the top 10 in receiving yards what 2x in his career?

/3 time pro bowler and 1 time all pro is not really HOF worthy... unless you were on the steelers in the 70s
 
2013-12-05 06:23:45 PM

IAmRight: Treygreen13: I'll remember that for the next "JERRY JONES SAYS COWBOYS GOING TO WIN SUPERBOWL" headline.

Oh god now I hope he hires Rex when they finally get rid of Garrett.

"JERRY JONES AND REX RYAN DECLARE COWBOYS A TEAM OF DEMI-GODS, CAPABLE OF BENDING THE UNIVERSE TO THEIR WILL, AND WILL WIN THE NEXT 700,000 SUPER BOWLS"

Brady, Manning, Bradshaw, Marino, Montana, and Elway all agree:Tony Romo voted all-time great, sleeps with Gisele.
 
2013-12-05 06:30:07 PM

farbekrieg: Piizzadude: Yeah I really don't like the steelers all that much but you cannot deny Swann is HOF worthy

Lynn Swann has a less impressive resume than Terrell Davis but everyone from those 70s steeler teams got in they added Swann too. He came in the top 10 in receiving yards what 2x in his career?

/3 time pro bowler and 1 time all pro is not really HOF worthy... unless you were on the steelers in the 70s


Wide receivers were nothing in the 70s. It was the lowest point for passing in the history of the NFL. You were just as likely for a passing play to end up with an interception or sack as you were a completion. To put up the numbers he did was astronomic, for its time.

Historic perspective is really necessary.
 
2013-12-05 06:37:43 PM
1983 Bears draft

First round: Covert and Gault
Second round: Richardson
Third round: Duerson
Fourth round: Thayer
Eighth round: Bortz and Dent
 
2013-12-05 06:42:24 PM

Piizzadude: farbekrieg: Piizzadude: Yeah I really don't like the steelers all that much but you cannot deny Swann is HOF worthy

Lynn Swann has a less impressive resume than Terrell Davis but everyone from those 70s steeler teams got in they added Swann too. He came in the top 10 in receiving yards what 2x in his career?

/3 time pro bowler and 1 time all pro is not really HOF worthy... unless you were on the steelers in the 70s

Wide receivers were nothing in the 70s. It was the lowest point for passing in the history of the NFL. You were just as likely for a passing play to end up with an interception or sack as you were a completion. To put up the numbers he did was astronomic, for its time.

Historic perspective is really necessary.


That's where the part about not ranking in the top 10 in receiving yards more than twice comes in; it compares him to players of his era. In 1979, for instance, there were ten WRs with over 1,000 yards and ten WRs with at least 62 receptions. A meager number by today's standards, to be sure, but Swann's 808 yards (second highest total in his career) on 41 catches still don't come out looking so shiny.
 
2013-12-05 08:27:17 PM
The rookies look good compared to the veterans, especially at QB.
 
2013-12-05 09:48:52 PM

fatalvenom: jake_lex: He said he is particualrly proud of their footwork.

They've bought into his system like good little foot-soldiers.


I'm getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2013-12-06 01:42:25 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: The rookies look good compared to the veterans, especially at QB.


Geno Smith is every bit as bad as Mark Sanchez ever was. In fact, 2013 Smith is worse than 2012 Sanchez, who was the worst Sanchez.
 
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