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2013-12-05 12:43:01 PM  
They shouldn't be angry at us for creating monsters, because without us, they wouldn't exist at all.
 
2013-12-05 12:48:21 PM  
Fun fact: dogs are retarded.

Fun fact again: getting one's dander up about dogs being called retarded is even more retarded.

Another fun fact: You are also retarded
 
2013-12-05 12:48:38 PM  
I never researched that, it's about what I expected.

Thanks subby.
 
2013-12-05 12:49:05 PM  
The pitbull used to be an awesome dog.  Now it's nearly impossible to find one that's not so inbred it's English
 
2013-12-05 12:49:07 PM  

van1ty: They shouldn't be angry at us for creating monsters, because without us, they wouldn't exist at all.


Yep, those wolves and dingos and African wild dogs are just miserable without human intervention.

There's styling an animal for a job, and then there's styling an animal because it matches your couch. AKC standards are dumb and cause more problems than they solves. And honestly, AKC standards don't solve any problems other than first world ones.
 
2013-12-05 12:51:34 PM  
Cherry picking one picture of something from the past and comparing to a cherry picked picture from the present is a great way to prove you're a Gawker affiliate, that's for sure.

How about they look at what their sites used to look like before they "remodeled" and after to see who the real monsters are?
 
2013-12-05 12:55:01 PM  
That's a result of breeding for show characteristics, which, if you ask me, is a stupid way to judge a dog. Look at greyhounds. They've been selectively bred for speed an don't have any of the stupid health issues that so many of the popular pure breeds have. Why? Because they were bred for speed based on how well they raced, not for some silly visual trait we thought was "cute" or "special." Nobody who breeds greyhounds gives a shiat about how they look, and thus, don't try for specific and often crippling mutations. Instead you get beautiful, happy, loving, and fast as all get-out dogs that look great in sweaters because they're so healthy they don't have a lot of insulating fat.  img.fark.net

D'awwww!
 
2013-12-05 12:55:20 PM  
The really startling thing for me in a lot of those pictures is how smushed the nose and muzzle are on the modern breeds.  What's wrong with a normal, long head?  Why are you trying to create a vertical face on those poor things?
 
2013-12-05 12:56:20 PM  
So, if pitbulls are the deformed mutants of the dog family, are dalmations the retards?.
 
2013-12-05 12:57:49 PM  

quiotu: those wolves and dingos and African wild dogs


None of those are "dogs" anymore than you're a chimpanzee or gorilla. Domestic dogs are distinct from wolves and we certainly did create them. The bigger point he ignores is that we then continued to butcher their genetic lines for no good reason so they went from relatively healthy animals to genetic piles of crap.

RoxtarRyan: Cherry picking one picture of something from the past and comparing to a cherry picked picture from the present is a great way to prove you're a Gawker affiliate, that's for sure.


The source link they mutilated the info from isn't Gawkered. It includes considerably more detail and references a study on defects these breeds have inherited due to the the idiotic "standards" set by people who insist on having pedigrees for no other reason than that they are utter cocks who shouldn't be allowed to own dogs in the first place.
 
2013-12-05 12:57:52 PM  

tallen702: Look at greyhounds. They've been selectively bred for speed an don't have any of the stupid health issues that so many of the popular pure breeds have. Why? Because they were bred for speed based on how well they raced, not for some silly visual trait we thought was "cute" or "special." Nobody who breeds greyhounds gives a shiat about how they look, and thus, don't try for specific and often crippling mutations. Instead you get beautiful, happy, loving, and fast as all get-out dogs that look great in sweaters because they're so healthy they don't have a lot of insulating fa


Where does the greyhound racing industry get dogs?
Every year, the industry breeds tens of thousands of greyhounds, more than it can place at racetracks. This overbreeding is motivated by the desire to produce "winning" dogs. Thousands of greyhounds at each track are disposed of yearly to bring in a "fresh" group of dogs. A dog's racing career is usually over at 3½ to 4 years of age.
If able to live out his or her full life as a companion animal, a greyhound may live 13 or more years. Unfortunately, the industry kills greyhounds at various stages in the dogs' lives because they appear to lack racing potential or are injured. Many dogs, when they are no longer profitable, are adopted into good homes through rescue groups, but thousands are not. As with any business, profit is the bottom line; as a result, greyhounds are often destroyed using the least expensive methods, including gunshot. Reports of bludgeoning, abandonment, and starvation have also surfaced. Veterinarians humanely euthanize some greyhounds.


Yea, doesn't sound like a practice people should be promoting. Maybe someday greyhound racing will be banned like dog fighting.
 
2013-12-05 12:58:41 PM  
Basenjis. Pharoah Hounds. Same as they've been for
3500 years.
 
2013-12-05 01:01:36 PM  

RoxtarRyan: Cherry picking one picture of something from the past and comparing to a cherry picked picture from the present is a great way to prove you're a Gawker affiliate, that's for sure.

How about they look at what their sites used to look like before they "remodeled" and after to see who the real monsters are?



Nothing is cherry picked here, every picture from today looks mutated and deformed compared to every picture from way back when. People ruined breeds all in the name of competition. Bulldogs can barely breathe and are unable to give birth unaided. Pugs are the worst. Pugs of yore looked almost like today's Boxer. Now they're just deformed masses of organic matter that can barely function. It's disgusting.

My wife and I have huskies, it's one of the breeds we felt suffered this bullsh*t the least. And the breeder we went to raises lines with that thinking as well. But even that isn't 100%. If you get a german shepherd for example you have to make sure it's a healthy line. And more often than not, the healthy ones don't fall into what suburbanites see as a "totally rad looking shepherd". Sad. There are bigger problems in this world so I don't get worked up over it, but it's just another drop in the bucket of sh*tty things in this world.
 
2013-12-05 01:02:40 PM  
this is why mutts are the future
 
2013-12-05 01:03:33 PM  
Forget dogs, domestic turkeys have breast meat so large they can't breed.  That's right, every butterball you've ever eaten was artificially inseminated.
 
2013-12-05 01:03:35 PM  
At first Odin was sad at these ideas of "breed standards" his fellow poochies have to deal with

i457.photobucket.com

Then he said, "Fark being sad, let's play"

i457.photobucket.com

//Fark resizing still broke?
 
2013-12-05 01:03:39 PM  
Carth:but thousands are not. As with any business, profit is the bottom line; as a result, greyhounds are often destroyed using the least expensive methods, including gunshot. Reports of bludgeoning, abandonment, and starvation have also surfaced. Veterinarians humanely euthanize some greyhounds.


We could probably do that a bit more efficiently.  There appears to be a whole lot of waste in the system.   I say we unveil a new form of hamburger.
 
2013-12-05 01:06:46 PM  
One of the reasons I'm a fan of mutts. Terrier mix and a pit bull mix for those keeping score at home.
 
2013-12-05 01:07:49 PM  
Gimme a mutt any day. While some of the breeds can be real fun, a Pug (as cute and personable as it is) is a collection of all the worst possible ideas rolled into one dog. No nose = temperature sensitive and prone to respiratory problems, protruding eyes = eye troubles, solid body on spindly legs = knee issues. And that's not considering they're only highly efficient at turning dog food into extra fur and turds.

Meanwhile, our collie mix is happy, healthy, and a real goofball. Speaking of whom, I'm going to go home and walk her before the snow kicks in.
 
2013-12-05 01:08:22 PM  
One thing that has always bothered me is this stance:

pineriverkennel.com

How could that be an efficient walking position, and how can it NOT be hard on the dog's spine? What is the freakin' point? It looks bloody foolish, like there is something wrong with the dog.
 
2013-12-05 01:08:26 PM  

Carth: tallen702: 
Yea, doesn't sound like a practice people should be promoting. Maybe someday greyhound racing will be banned like dog fighting.


Who said I was promoting the practice of culling non-viable racers? I'm not. I'm just saying that pure breed dogs don't have to be all farked up with things like hip dysplasia and other chronic debilitating issues. Bet you don't now what happens at all those puppy mills and breeders who pump out pure breed show dogs for a living, because it's the same shiat that happens in the greyhound racing world. At least a lot of Greyhound breeders now turn to rescue organizations rather than the old methods unlike the pure breed mills out there....
 
2013-12-05 01:09:34 PM  

CygnusDarius: So, if pitbulls are the deformed mutants of the dog family, are dalmations the retards?.


www.pugs.nl
 
2013-12-05 01:17:42 PM  

CygnusDarius: So, if pitbulls are the deformed mutants of the dog family, are dalmations the retards?.


yes
 
2013-12-05 01:21:08 PM  

Dragonflew: How could that be an efficient walking position, and how can it NOT be hard on the dog's spine? What is the freakin' point? It looks bloody foolish, like there is something wrong with the dog.


The "North American show line" GSD (which is what that is - there are other breeding standards that aren't so completely farked up) is one of the many perfect examples of how dog breeds aren't ruined by simple breeding, but in fact are ruined by breeding to select certain superficial traits. Somewhere, somebody decided that a GSD with a sloped back looked good. A few decades of breeding for this trait and now the "best" examples of this breed (according to the people at dog shows) are essentially bred to be predisposed to hip problems.
 
2013-12-05 01:22:39 PM  
HOLY CRAP!!!!  WHAT DID WE DO???

They're all so cute!
 
2013-12-05 01:32:32 PM  
Well, some of them are definitely more obvious than others.

And then there's this guy, who would haunt my nightmares for years to come (if it weren't a 'shop)

img.gawkerassets.com
 
2013-12-05 01:35:43 PM  
They bred color into dogs?   I can't discern any other difference.
 
2013-12-05 01:39:39 PM  

skozlaw: quiotu: those wolves and dingos and African wild dogs

None of those are "dogs" anymore than you're a chimpanzee or gorilla. Domestic dogs are distinct from wolves and we certainly did create them. The bigger point he ignores is that we then continued to butcher their genetic lines for no good reason so they went from relatively healthy animals to genetic piles of crap.


WRONG. Dogs and wolves are the exact same species. Exact. Thus the ability to breed any of them together and have viable offspring We've just selectively mutated them to suit our own ends. Humans, chimpanzees, and gorillas are all different distinct species and cannot breed. Large cats like lions and tigers are closer and can be bred, but do not produce viable offspring (they are sterile).

As far as we know there are no domestic dog breeds that were derived from other dog species. They are all former grey wolves.
 
2013-12-05 01:40:37 PM  

RoxtarRyan: Cherry picking one picture of something from the past and comparing to a cherry picked picture from the present is a great way to prove you're a Gawker affiliate, that's for sure.

How about they look at what their sites used to look like before they "remodeled" and after to see who the real monsters are?


OK, forget the photos, go and read what vets say about the scale of health problems in purebreed dogs. Certain breeds miss genes that prevent certain illnesses, some breeds have higher rates of cancer, heart disease.

farking your cousin is taboo in western society for that reason.
 
2013-12-05 01:41:48 PM  

Dragonflew: One thing that has always bothered me is this stance:

[pineriverkennel.com image 850x565]

How could that be an efficient walking position, and how can it NOT be hard on the dog's spine? What is the freakin' point? It looks bloody foolish, like there is something wrong with the dog.


Dachshunds will have many more spine issues.  I'm kind of surprised that the author included the breed honestly.  The photo shows dachshunds were as jacked up then as they are today.
 
2013-12-05 01:44:20 PM  
I love the purebred dog breeder in the comments of the original article. She calls dog shelters a conspiracy to make money. Anyone who has been even marginally involved with a dog shelter knows that is a steaming pile of crap; abandoned pet shelters are money drains.

She is no different than the Serval breeders or the Mini Leopard breeders trying to legitimize their animal abuse.
 
2013-12-05 01:47:27 PM  

Thank You Black Jesus!: CygnusDarius: So, if pitbulls are the deformed mutants of the dog family, are dalmations the retards?.

yes


I agree.  The deaf, stupid, waiting for a urinary tract blockage, but damn loyal retards.
 
2013-12-05 01:49:04 PM  

farkeruk: RoxtarRyan: Cherry picking one picture of something from the past and comparing to a cherry picked picture from the present is a great way to prove you're a Gawker affiliate, that's for sure.

How about they look at what their sites used to look like before they "remodeled" and after to see who the real monsters are?

OK, forget the photos, go and read what vets say about the scale of health problems in purebreed dogs. Certain breeds miss genes that prevent certain illnesses, some breeds have higher rates of cancer, heart disease.

farking your cousin is taboo in western society for that reason.


More semantic correction:

Science has shown that cousins are actually far enough apart genetically that no real issues are created if they happen to have children. There is enough variation in the DNA of siblings that, when combined with the DNA variation of the other parent, provides enough variance that the resulting cousins, were they to have children, would not see any issues.

Obviously you have the law of diminishing returns if the same family kept interbreeding but the occasional one-off cousin hook-up is no danger. Genetically speaking, of course.

/doesn't mean it doesn't gross me out
//ah, cultural norms
///siblings and/or parent/child children though....that's gonna result in flippers
 
2013-12-05 01:49:21 PM  

zeroman987: I love the purebred dog breeder in the comments of the original article. She calls dog shelters a conspiracy to make money. Anyone who has been even marginally involved with a dog shelter knows that is a steaming pile of crap; abandoned pet shelters are money drains.

She is no different than the Serval breeders or the Mini Leopard breeders trying to legitimize their animal abuse.


Some of my best spittakes involved purebred dog prices.

"They paid what for a pure bred goldie?  Cehrist you just go down to the shelter any you can pick one up for $50 slightly used and they will give you the $50 back if you sterilize the mutt."
 
2013-12-05 01:51:51 PM  
I would also like to add:

MUTTS FOREVER. They're more awesome and are smarter t'boot
 
2013-12-05 01:52:09 PM  

Dragonflew: How could that be an efficient walking position, and how can it NOT be hard on the dog's spine? What is the freakin' point? It looks bloody foolish, like there is something wrong with the dog.


Hip dysplasia runs rampant in GSD lines especially those with this "champion stance."  Look at the century-old GSD pic in TFA.  Look at it!  That dog is incredible looking; I think he got my dog pregnant and she's fixed!
 
2013-12-05 01:55:05 PM  

zeroman987: I love the purebred dog breeder in the comments of the original article. She calls dog shelters a conspiracy to make money. Anyone who has been even marginally involved with a dog shelter knows that is a steaming pile of crap; abandoned pet shelters are money drains.


Shelter or rescue?   All the shelters I've seen neuter or spay and charge a nominal fee (say $75).  All the rescues I've seen cherry pick from the shelters and charge a much higher fee say ($350) for little or no value.
 
2013-12-05 01:58:02 PM  

Carth: Yea, doesn't sound like a practice people should be promoting. Maybe someday greyhound racing will be banned like dog fighting.


Or like horse racing?

Oh, and on a general note, fark the AKC and its bullshiat standards.


Dragonflew: One thing that has always bothered me is this stance:


An example of AKC standards that cause direct, physical harm to the breed.  Those dogs are suffering from hip dysplasia.  Any breeder producing pups with that look are bastards who should be banned from owning animals.
 
2013-12-05 01:58:50 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2013-12-05 01:59:11 PM  
Oh, so we're supposed to say 'fark it' to breeders and adopt every pet?  I think this is the purpose of the 'article'....
 
2013-12-05 02:03:41 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: Oh, so we're supposed to say 'fark it' to breeders and adopt every pet?  I think this is the purpose of the 'article'....


Yes, that's right. It's an insider push from Big Humane Society. Breeders and Humane Societies have been at war for decades, and this is the latest attempt to win.

/you honestly think what you said??
//please don't own animals, bred OR adopted
/you lack... critical thinking skills
 
2013-12-05 02:04:29 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: Oh, so we're supposed to say 'fark it' to breeders and adopt every pet?  I think this is the purpose of the 'article'....


There are good breeders and good breeds, but most people just want a furry thing to play with. There's nothing wrong with that, but you should adopt. If you want a specific breed for some reason, you need to do the legwork to find somebody who's not treating their animals like revenue streams to be maximized.
 
2013-12-05 02:04:34 PM  

costermonger: Dragonflew: How could that be an efficient walking position, and how can it NOT be hard on the dog's spine? What is the freakin' point? It looks bloody foolish, like there is something wrong with the dog.

The "North American show line" GSD (which is what that is - there are other breeding standards that aren't so completely farked up) is one of the many perfect examples of how dog breeds aren't ruined by simple breeding, but in fact are ruined by breeding to select certain superficial traits. Somewhere, somebody decided that a GSD with a sloped back looked good. A few decades of breeding for this trait and now the "best" examples of this breed (according to the people at dog shows) are essentially bred to be predisposed to hip problems.


Wait that's not just a deformed dog that someone loves anyway? Even the ones with mostly straight backs have hip problems, I can't imagine the health problems these dogs have. The only way you would deliberately breed that into a dog is if you just don't care about the dog at all and just want a fashion accessory.

That's before the spaniels whose skulls are too small for their brains. The poor things live short lives full of fits before they die.

Some breeds need some diversity bred back into the lines. Thats why the newer cross breeds and mongrels are some of the best dogs as they are the healthiest. I would rather have a mut than any pure breed.
 
2013-12-05 02:05:15 PM  
img.fark.net

"Ach!  Joost doooin' mae part."

/all three of my dogs are mutts
//none of them are part Westie, though.
///dammit
 
2013-12-05 02:07:18 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: Oh, so we're supposed to say 'fark it' to breeders and adopt every pet?  I think this is the purpose of the 'article'....


You're goddamn right you should. Do you have any idea how many animals are killed every year simply because nobody adopts them? Add to this that mutts are generally smarter and healthier than purebreds, and adopting from a shelter is ridiculously cheap, and there's no reason to go to a breeder.
 
2013-12-05 02:09:38 PM  

deadguyinc: Dogs and wolves are the exact same species


I'll be damned...

But, anyway, to the topic at hand, I did not know that. Apparently sometimes it is Canis Lupus.
 
2013-12-05 02:15:08 PM  
Parents were guilty of this. My stepbrother wanted a dog for his birthday and they blew thousands on a purebred Pug. Dog was fine and adorable but pugs have hosed up genetics (the gene pool in the UK only carries traits of like 50 pugs) and are probably a few generations from being able to physically fark like French Bulldogs can't.

There's a cultural obsession that purebreeding is cool and mutts are worthless. Yeah, some dogs shouldn't genetically mix given risks to their body structure but making the breeds into Charles II of Spain ain't better either.

English Bulldogs are damned. Look at the history of UGA mascots. First they live for over 10 years then later each of the recent successors fall over dead in 2.
 
2013-12-05 02:21:02 PM  
My favorite AKC-related story has to do with Shar-Peis (those wrinkled dogs). The "standard" was written as "no tail is a major fault" and hilarity ensued for years between those who thought it meant that not having a tail was a major fault and those who read it as no matter what the tail looked like, it didn't matter.
 
2013-12-05 02:22:27 PM  

skozlaw: deadguyinc: Dogs and wolves are the exact same species

I'll be damned...


Hey, don't get your science wrong and then act like I was stating what was already obvious to you. The comparison to the relation of humans, chimps, and gorillas was not even close to correct.
 
2013-12-05 02:27:39 PM  

deadguyinc: act like I was stating what was already obvious to you


Maybe you should have read more than one sentence of the response?
 
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