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2013-12-05 12:55:50 PM
What a Couric might look like

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2013-12-05 12:57:41 PM

JacobDavidWatson: She's just talking about the HPV vaccine, not all vaccines.. I didn't really read the article thnough.  HPV... most chicks will have it one day, and at worst it causes cancer when we are old.  Not talking this vaccine won't have dire Darwinian consequences im afraid..

This vaccine is only for chicks right?


HPV affects men also, and there are increasing calls for the vaccine to be administered and promoted for both sexes.
 
2013-12-05 12:58:53 PM

meintx2001: Stop with the herd immunity crap.  If you don't take the vaccine for what ever reason, don't force others to take it to protect you.  It should be their decision.


DERP! I WANT TO ENDANGER OTHERS AND CALL IT FREEDOM! DERRRRRRPPPPPPP!!!!
 
2013-12-05 12:59:09 PM

JacobDavidWatson: She's just talking about the HPV vaccine, not all vaccines.. I didn't really read the article thnough.  HPV... most chicks will have it one day, and at worst it causes cancer when we are old.


hmm, guess 25 is old when i had surgery to remove the pre-cancerous cells.
 
2013-12-05 12:59:15 PM

CygnusDarius: neversubmit: The HPV vaccine killed my son by giving his girlfriend vagina dentate!

Are you suggesting vaccines give you mutant powers?.


Yep! Immunity to disease.
 
2013-12-05 01:00:31 PM

Inchoate: JacobDavidWatson: She's just talking about the HPV vaccine, not all vaccines.. I didn't really read the article thnough.  HPV... most chicks will have it one day, and at worst it causes cancer when we are old.  Not talking this vaccine won't have dire Darwinian consequences im afraid..

This vaccine is only for chicks right?

HPV affects men also, and there are increasing calls for the vaccine to be administered and promoted for both sexes.


Really? I hadn't heard that. HPV in men is weird because there is no actual test to determine if it is present, unless you have physical lesions (which of course only appear in strains which don't cause cancer, so that's a non-starter).
 
2013-12-05 01:01:03 PM

scubamage: Inchoate: JacobDavidWatson: She's just talking about the HPV vaccine, not all vaccines.. I didn't really read the article thnough.  HPV... most chicks will have it one day, and at worst it causes cancer when we are old.  Not talking this vaccine won't have dire Darwinian consequences im afraid..

This vaccine is only for chicks right?

HPV affects men also, and there are increasing calls for the vaccine to be administered and promoted for both sexes.

Really? I hadn't heard that. HPV in men is weird because there is no actual test to determine if it is present, unless you have physical lesions (which of course only appear in strains which don't cause cancer, so that's a non-starter).


if you don't think it affects men, how do you think straight women get the disease?
 
2013-12-05 01:01:22 PM
 
2013-12-05 01:05:19 PM

JacobDavidWatson: She's just talking about the HPV vaccine, not all vaccines.. I didn't really read the article thnough.  HPV... most chicks will have it one day, and at worst it causes cancer when we are old.  Not talking this vaccine won't have dire Darwinian consequences im afraid..

This vaccine is only for chicks right?


They've started approving the vaccine for boys, although it's not taken as widely.  The strains of HPV in the vaccine have been connected with oral, penile, and anal cancers, so it's not a terrible idea for boys to be vaccinated as well for their own sake, and not just because they can transmit the virus.

The vaccine also protects against the strains that cause genital warts. I think we can all agree that fewer genital warts in the world is a good thing.
 
2013-12-05 01:05:22 PM

ladodger34: My friend's sister is an RN and an anti-vaxxer


Your friend's sister deserves to lose her RN license.
 
2013-12-05 01:06:12 PM

exvaxman: My daughter was killed by the pertussis vaccine. Going through the VAERS act as we had to do, it took years due to the political issues to get a settlement. The most obvious was "we have not heard a recent health issue" from the government. The reply of our lawyer (who helped write the VAERS act) stripped the government lawyer of her ability to be a lawyer ever again. Something like he had sent a death certificate and two years later she requested a status update.

My kid has everything but the pertussis vaccine right now.


I call bullshiat.
 
2013-12-05 01:08:02 PM

neversubmit: CygnusDarius: neversubmit: The HPV vaccine killed my son by giving his girlfriend vagina dentate!

Are you suggesting vaccines give you mutant powers?.

Yep! Immunity to disease.


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2013-12-05 01:08:08 PM

meintx2001: Stop with the herd immunity crap.  If you don't take the vaccine for what ever reason, don't force others to take it to protect you.  It should be their decision.  As for all of the "vaccines are safe, you're just stupid" crowd, every medication given in the US is deemed safe.  But then how many are recalled later when it is determined that they aren't safe?  And how many people suffer and die during that process?

Better yet, if you can't take the vaccine stay away from everyone else.


I cannot for the life of me remember a single medication, especially a vaccine, that has been determined as "safe". All medications have risked associated with them (however infinitesimal), but I am sure you knew that.
 
2013-12-05 01:09:04 PM

scubamage: Inchoate: JacobDavidWatson: She's just talking about the HPV vaccine, not all vaccines.. I didn't really read the article thnough.  HPV... most chicks will have it one day, and at worst it causes cancer when we are old.  Not talking this vaccine won't have dire Darwinian consequences im afraid..

This vaccine is only for chicks right?

HPV affects men also, and there are increasing calls for the vaccine to be administered and promoted for both sexes.

Really? I hadn't heard that. HPV in men is weird because there is no actual test to determine if it is present, unless you have physical lesions (which of course only appear in strains which don't cause cancer, so that's a non-starter).


HPV in men can lead to cancer of the penis, anus or throat.

http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/stdfact-hpv-and-men.htm

Not nearly as common as cervical cancer for women, but there is a risk.
 
2013-12-05 01:12:57 PM
You do know what this means, right?

Sarah Palin was made a fool of by an anti-vaxxer.  Hilarious.
 
2013-12-05 01:14:42 PM

ladodger34: My friend's sister is an RN and an anti-vaxxer (she married an idiot and she listens to him). She was ranting and raving on FB the other day that about how hospitals treat nurses that don't get the flu vaccine and how she was lucky that her hospital only made her wear a mask.

I told her brother (my closest and bestest friend) that I really appreciated her FB rant. If my 2 youngest ever happen to visit a hospital and they are treated with a nurse in a mask, I will respectfully ask for another. I have to assume that a nurse in a mask is an anti-vaxxer and I can't have him/her around my kids with asthma.

//rant hit home because we spent the night in the ER with baby girl (9 mo. old) a week or two before it was posted.
///friend's sister is farking hot. She could have her choice of men, but she married her idiot husband.


Is there more information you could provide on your friend's sister's hotness? What makes her hot? Pouty lips, large breasts, long legs, hips that swivel their way into a room? You gave a lot of detail otherwise, but this area is somewhat lacking.
 
2013-12-05 01:15:00 PM
and which newspapers did you read this information in, Katie?
 
2013-12-05 01:16:05 PM

scubamage: Really? I hadn't heard that. HPV in men is weird because there is no actual test to determine if it is present, unless you have physical lesions (which of course only appear in strains which don't cause cancer, so that's a non-starter).


Men can be carriers of HPV just as women can.  And in addition to infections of the genitals, people can contract HPV through oral sex, which could lead to throat or mouth cancer.

If the wife and I ever have kids, girls or not, they will be getting the HPV vaccine.
 
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2013-12-05 01:19:01 PM

CygnusDarius: neversubmit: CygnusDarius: neversubmit: The HPV vaccine killed my son by giving his girlfriend vagina dentate!

Are you suggesting vaccines give you mutant powers?.

Yep! Immunity to disease.

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2013-12-05 01:21:11 PM

jrodr018: meintx2001: Stop with the herd immunity crap.  If you don't take the vaccine for what ever reason, don't force others to take it to protect you.  It should be their decision.  As for all of the "vaccines are safe, you're just stupid" crowd, every medication given in the US is deemed safe.  But then how many are recalled later when it is determined that they aren't safe?  And how many people suffer and die during that process?

Better yet, if you can't take the vaccine stay away from everyone else.

I cannot for the life of me remember a single medication, especially a vaccine, that has been determined as "safe". All medications have risked associated with them (however infinitesimal), but I am sure you knew that.


Anyone who argues against vaccines is a complete idiot.  If they are shown to cause autism, which is a lie, we are still better off with vaccines and the disease immunity they bring.  If they are shown to cause peanut allergies, and that sounds like bullshiat too, we are still better off with vaccines and the disease immunity they bring.  If there truly is some kind of connection found between vaccines and these sorts of side effects, then we should absolutely come up with a vaccine that doesn't do this.  Until then, get your vaccines on the recommended schedule and don't be a twat.

Texas measles outbreak

And the problem with the "I do what I want!" argument, is that the problem with herd immunity or lack thereof, sometimes results in the deaths of others.

Texas is also currently dealing with another wave of pertussis (whooping cough) outbreaks.  The problem with this is they can't vaccinate the babies until they are two months old, and they are also the most likely to die from it.

"From 2000-2012, a total of 43 deaths were attributed to pertussis in Texas.  Most of the deaths occurred in infants under 1 year of age--most in children too young to be vaccinated. In 2013, two deaths have been reported thus far. Both of the deaths occurred in children too young to be vaccinated. "

So, if you refuse to vaccinate yourself or your kid against pertussis, congratulations, you're indirectly responsible for the death of infants.
 
2013-12-05 01:21:36 PM

super_grass: For the outraged, this is what actually happened:

- Couric's show runs out of ideas, lets in an anti-vac nutter on the program over yet another fake controversy.
- Writer for clickbait-site writes clickbaity exaggeration about how Couric let the derp side walk over her.
- Fark headline exaggerates iffy story a second time, proclaims that Couric joined the derp side.

Final tally: mild disappointment, vows to not watch a show that I don't watch in first place


Sorry, but giving any air-time to anti-vaccination nutters is worthy outrage given the harm it can cause. Exaggeration or not, these people should not be given voice in the media, especially not on a mainstream network with a high profile host who people trust.
 
2013-12-05 01:22:57 PM

hardinparamedic: ladodger34: My friend's sister is an RN and an anti-vaxxer

Your friend's sister deserves to lose her RN license.


I don't necessarily disagree with you on this. It's an idiotic stance.

My friend, wife, and I did have a good discussion about this the other day. RNs are wonderful at what they do, but the vast majority of their training and/or experience is on the job kind of stuff. The vast majority of their training is clinical kind of stuff and is light on the research.

My wife (a teacher) has a health science degree and probably has a greater understanding of public health issues than most most RNs. But she has no clinical experience and never will. RNs are kind of the opposite. Worlds of clinical health experience but little understanding of public health policy.

Then there are folks like my brother's best friend (i call him my surrogate brother) that has a pharm D that have both and even though my experience is limited, it seems like folks in his position (book learnin' and practical experience) are far more acceptable of vaccines.
 
2013-12-05 01:23:12 PM

chairmenmeow47: if you don't think it affects men, how do you think straight women get the disease?


people can carry a disease, yet not be affected...
 
2013-12-05 01:24:56 PM
Sounds more like she joined the brigade of ex-journalists who decided that whoring pants-on-head retarded garbage to stay-at-home moms for filthy lucre was more important than maintaining any level of integrity.

Say what you will about Morton Downey Jr. and Jerry Springer, at least they didn't try to coat their bullshiat with a veneer of civility to try and convince people they were serious.

FOAD, Couric.

/ the stupidest TV imaginable is on the three major networks between 9 AM and 4 PM Monday through Friday
 
2013-12-05 01:24:58 PM

IamAwake: chairmenmeow47: if you don't think it affects men, how do you think straight women get the disease?

people can carry a disease, yet not be affected...


semantics i guess.  being a disease carrier is an effect to me.
 
2013-12-05 01:27:41 PM

chairmenmeow47: scubamage: Inchoate: JacobDavidWatson: She's just talking about the HPV vaccine, not all vaccines.. I didn't really read the article thnough.  HPV... most chicks will have it one day, and at worst it causes cancer when we are old.  Not talking this vaccine won't have dire Darwinian consequences im afraid..

This vaccine is only for chicks right?

HPV affects men also, and there are increasing calls for the vaccine to be administered and promoted for both sexes.

Really? I hadn't heard that. HPV in men is weird because there is no actual test to determine if it is present, unless you have physical lesions (which of course only appear in strains which don't cause cancer, so that's a non-starter).

if you don't think it affects men, how do you think straight women get the disease?


It's not totally clear, but I think scubamage is saying that HPV is typically *asymptomatic* in men (i.e., it doesn't cause any effects in men), not that men aren't carriers for HPV.
 
2013-12-05 01:29:22 PM

Cletus C.: ladodger34: My friend's sister is an RN and an anti-vaxxer (she married an idiot and she listens to him). She was ranting and raving on FB the other day that about how hospitals treat nurses that don't get the flu vaccine and how she was lucky that her hospital only made her wear a mask.

I told her brother (my closest and bestest friend) that I really appreciated her FB rant. If my 2 youngest ever happen to visit a hospital and they are treated with a nurse in a mask, I will respectfully ask for another. I have to assume that a nurse in a mask is an anti-vaxxer and I can't have him/her around my kids with asthma.

//rant hit home because we spent the night in the ER with baby girl (9 mo. old) a week or two before it was posted.
///friend's sister is farking hot. She could have her choice of men, but she married her idiot husband.

Is there more information you could provide on your friend's sister's hotness? What makes her hot? Pouty lips, large breasts, long legs, hips that swivel their way into a room? You gave a lot of detail otherwise, but this area is somewhat lacking.


Tall and well proportioned (5'8 ish), raven hair, fake boobs, beautiful face, curvy hips, olive skin. No sharp knees. A real stunner.
 
2013-12-05 01:30:07 PM

Ex-Texan: Let their kids contract diseases easily prevented by vaccines, then place the burden of care on the parents.. Teh Bible is not an approved method of treatment.


I may be wrong but I don't think Katie Couric, Jenny McCarthy and many others like them are in what one would consider the bible thumping crowd.

It's intellectually dishonest you would automatically just conjure up a strawmen and link your anti christianity views to just about anything that comes up.
 
2013-12-05 01:30:25 PM

chairmenmeow47: scubamage: Inchoate: JacobDavidWatson: She's just talking about the HPV vaccine, not all vaccines.. I didn't really read the article thnough.  HPV... most chicks will have it one day, and at worst it causes cancer when we are old.  Not talking this vaccine won't have dire Darwinian consequences im afraid..

This vaccine is only for chicks right?

HPV affects men also, and there are increasing calls for the vaccine to be administered and promoted for both sexes.

Really? I hadn't heard that. HPV in men is weird because there is no actual test to determine if it is present, unless you have physical lesions (which of course only appear in strains which don't cause cancer, so that's a non-starter).

if you don't think it affects men, how do you think straight women get the disease?


Little Nikke: scubamage: Inchoate: JacobDavidWatson: She's just talking about the HPV vaccine, not all vaccines.. I didn't really read the article thnough.  HPV... most chicks will have it one day, and at worst it causes cancer when we are old.  Not talking this vaccine won't have dire Darwinian consequences im afraid..

This vaccine is only for chicks right?

HPV affects men also, and there are increasing calls for the vaccine to be administered and promoted for both sexes.

Really? I hadn't heard that. HPV in men is weird because there is no actual test to determine if it is present, unless you have physical lesions (which of course only appear in strains which don't cause cancer, so that's a non-starter).

HPV in men can lead to cancer of the penis, anus or throat.

http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/stdfact-hpv-and-men.htm

Not nearly as common as cervical cancer for women, but there is a risk.


Dinjiin: scubamage: Really? I hadn't heard that. HPV in men is weird because there is no actual test to determine if it is present, unless you have physical lesions (which of course only appear in strains which don't cause cancer, so that's a non-starter).

Men can be carriers of HPV just as women can.  And in addition to infections of the genitals, people can contract HPV through oral sex, which could lead to throat or mouth cancer.

If the wife and I ever have kids, girls or not, they will be getting the HPV vaccine.


I think I was unclear in my statement - I know men can get HPV, but I wasn't aware that people had been starting towards vaccinating men. I honestly think it's a good thing, considering some metrics put it as high as 75% of adults having HPV of some type, the only thing close to that is herpes which is at about 50%. Any prevention is wonderful!
 
2013-12-05 01:30:26 PM

chairmenmeow47: IamAwake: chairmenmeow47: if you don't think it affects men, how do you think straight women get the disease?

people can carry a disease, yet not be affected...

semantics i guess.  being a disease carrier is an effect to me.


Fair enough...
 
2013-12-05 01:30:39 PM

Carn: So, if you refuse to vaccinate yourself or your kid against pertussis, congratulations, you're indirectly responsible for the death of infants.


It would be great if you could bring involuntary manslaughter charges against people who refuse to get vaccinated without a valid medical reason and then make others deathly ill.

Sadly, it would just be way too hard to prove any individual case.

We really ought to make people who refuse vaccinations without cause sign waivers that acknowledge liability and obligate them to positively identify themselves to the community as the potential biological threat they are and also remain a minimum distance from schools, playgrounds, nursing homes, medical offices, hospitals and other areas where immune-compromised individuals could be.
 
2013-12-05 01:32:35 PM
Why do I feel like the only sane person, aside from the occasional FARKER?

When the HPV shot came out we waited a few years just to make sure it was reliable and safe.  Just had our two boys vaccinated on Monday (yeah, I know--there are two more doses) to help them increase their chances of a healthy life.

/Good thing the vaccine doesn't turn boys into turbo-powered monster sluts the way it does for the girls.
 
2013-12-05 01:32:40 PM

scubamage: chairmenmeow47: scubamage: Inchoate: JacobDavidWatson: She's just talking about the HPV vaccine, not all vaccines.. I didn't really read the article thnough.  HPV... most chicks will have it one day, and at worst it causes cancer when we are old.  Not talking this vaccine won't have dire Darwinian consequences im afraid..

This vaccine is only for chicks right?

HPV affects men also, and there are increasing calls for the vaccine to be administered and promoted for both sexes.

Really? I hadn't heard that. HPV in men is weird because there is no actual test to determine if it is present, unless you have physical lesions (which of course only appear in strains which don't cause cancer, so that's a non-starter).

if you don't think it affects men, how do you think straight women get the disease?

Little Nikke: scubamage: Inchoate: JacobDavidWatson: She's just talking about the HPV vaccine, not all vaccines.. I didn't really read the article thnough.  HPV... most chicks will have it one day, and at worst it causes cancer when we are old.  Not talking this vaccine won't have dire Darwinian consequences im afraid..

This vaccine is only for chicks right?

HPV affects men also, and there are increasing calls for the vaccine to be administered and promoted for both sexes.

Really? I hadn't heard that. HPV in men is weird because there is no actual test to determine if it is present, unless you have physical lesions (which of course only appear in strains which don't cause cancer, so that's a non-starter).

HPV in men can lead to cancer of the penis, anus or throat.

http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/stdfact-hpv-and-men.htm

Not nearly as common as cervical cancer for women, but there is a risk.

Dinjiin: scubamage: Really? I hadn't heard that. HPV in men is weird because there is no actual test to determine if it is present, unless you have physical lesions (which of course only appear in strains which don't cause cancer, so that's a non-starter).

Men can be carriers of HPV just ...


Yeah, I think they've recently* opened up the vaccine for use in men as well. I'd guess it was a regulatory roadblock - since there's no way to test for HPV in (asymptomatic) men, there's no way to prove efficacy. But as long as it's safe, I guess they green-lit it...

*Or maybe not so recently, the only thing I know is that men can now be vaccinated against HPV
 
2013-12-05 01:35:46 PM

YoungLochinvar: chairmenmeow47: scubamage: Inchoate: JacobDavidWatson: She's just talking about the HPV vaccine, not all vaccines.. I didn't really read the article thnough.  HPV... most chicks will have it one day, and at worst it causes cancer when we are old.  Not talking this vaccine won't have dire Darwinian consequences im afraid..

This vaccine is only for chicks right?

HPV affects men also, and there are increasing calls for the vaccine to be administered and promoted for both sexes.

Really? I hadn't heard that. HPV in men is weird because there is no actual test to determine if it is present, unless you have physical lesions (which of course only appear in strains which don't cause cancer, so that's a non-starter).

if you don't think it affects men, how do you think straight women get the disease?

It's not totally clear, but I think scubamage is saying that HPV is typically *asymptomatic* in men (i.e., it doesn't cause any effects in men), not that men aren't carriers for HPV.


You got it, and that's what I meant. I actually was diagnosed with HPV when I was in college, but I only knew because I had physical lesions. When the lesions went away, there was no way I could be tested to tell if I still had the virus or not. In many healthy adults and in many of the strains, the virus either is completely gone, or dormant within 2 years.

The strains which cause lesions aren't ones that cause cancer, which is a good thing. But you often can be exposed to multiple strains. So in my case, I could have had a cancer causing strain and a strain which causes lesions. The lesion-causing one went away, but there's no way to tell if my system is clean or not. I asked my wife to get the vaccine before we had any sexual encounters.
 
2013-12-05 01:35:55 PM

Ex-Texan: Let their kids contract diseases easily prevented by vaccines, then place the burden of care on the parents.. Teh Bible is not an approved method of treatment.


Until they go broke and we have to pay for their emergency room visits.
 
2013-12-05 01:36:44 PM

scubamage: Inchoate: JacobDavidWatson: She's just talking about the HPV vaccine, not all vaccines.. I didn't really read the article thnough.  HPV... most chicks will have it one day, and at worst it causes cancer when we are old.  Not talking this vaccine won't have dire Darwinian consequences im afraid..

This vaccine is only for chicks right?

HPV affects men also, and there are increasing calls for the vaccine to be administered and promoted for both sexes.

Really? I hadn't heard that. HPV in men is weird because there is no actual test to determine if it is present, unless you have physical lesions (which of course only appear in strains which don't cause cancer, so that's a non-starter).

Male

 with tonsilar/base of tongue hpv cancer
 
2013-12-05 01:37:57 PM

skozlaw: Carn: So, if you refuse to vaccinate yourself or your kid against pertussis, congratulations, you're indirectly responsible for the death of infants.

It would be great if you could bring involuntary manslaughter charges against people who refuse to get vaccinated without a valid medical reason and then make others deathly ill.

Sadly, it would just be way too hard to prove any individual case.

We really ought to make people who refuse vaccinations without cause sign waivers that acknowledge liability and obligate them to positively identify themselves to the community as the potential biological threat they are and also remain a minimum distance from schools, playgrounds, nursing homes, medical offices, hospitals and other areas where immune-compromised individuals could be.


I'm in agreement with this.  I had made the exact statement above (if you don't vaccinate you are indirectly responsible for the death of babies) to my sister (whose is kind of an anti-vaxxer and whose son is autistic) and she said "that's just ridiculous".  I said no, it's statistics.

We need a vaccine against anti-vaxxers.
 
2013-12-05 01:38:26 PM

scubamage: Any prevention is wonderful!


agreed!  especially since most of the men i've run into are pretty clueless about the whole thing, although knowledge seems to increase every year.
 
2013-12-05 01:40:43 PM

T.rex: Egoy3k: More like she opened her wallet and pandered.  Not really the same thing, just as shiatty to be sure, but not the same.

Are you kidding.... There's no money to be had to be anti-Big Pharma.... You got that backwards.


I agree with you BUT I would say about 50% of the age 20-30 mothers I know have voiced their concern about vaccines. And by concern I don't mean that they are reviewing appropriate literature or talking to an immune specialist. I mean they are forwarding quack websites to each other and re-posting that kid who's mother claims he died from the flu vaccine.

If you have an afternoon talk show you probably want these mommies to get interested. It is easier for Katie to come on her show and try to scare them into not vaccinating than it is for her to be an actual journalist and possibly offend (or educate) them.

Luckily, most of the above mentioned 20-30 year old mothers I know don't care enough (apparently) to refuse mandatory vaccines. So, they think that the flu vaccine might kill their child, but they don't actually care enough to fill out some paper work and refuse a vaccine (apparently). I know one chick who works in a hospital and although she firmly believes the flu shot could kill you and always gives you the flu, SHE STILL GETS ONE since she would lose her job otherwise. Clearly, if you really thought this had a reasonable chance of killing you wouldn't you be willing to lose your job?
 
2013-12-05 01:42:39 PM
My friend's sister is an RN and an anti-vaxxer (she married an idiot and she listens to him). She was ranting and raving on FB the other day that about how hospitals treat nurses that don't get the flu vaccine and how she was lucky that her hospital only made her wear a mask.

I think we know the same girl, although pretty much every nurse I've ever met has been nuts.
 
2013-12-05 01:45:50 PM

chairmenmeow47: scubamage: Any prevention is wonderful!

agreed!  especially since most of the men i've run into are pretty clueless about the whole thing, although knowledge seems to increase every year.


I think a lot of that stems from the social stigma associated with viruses like HSV and HPV, combined with the "immortal youth" mentality. "Nothing bad can ever happen to me, and if it would happen to me, I'd know it!" Well, suddenly you are infected with a virus that shows no symptoms, and you're giving the gift of cancer to everyone you date. I mean, in school we barely glossed over STD's. If they'd mentioned that HSV is found in close to 50% of adults (had chickenpox? guess what! You're infected!), and HPV in almost 75%, maybe kids would pay more attention.
 
2013-12-05 01:47:02 PM

scubamage: chairmenmeow47: scubamage: Any prevention is wonderful!

agreed!  especially since most of the men i've run into are pretty clueless about the whole thing, although knowledge seems to increase every year.

I think a lot of that stems from the social stigma associated with viruses like HSV and HPV, combined with the "immortal youth" mentality. "Nothing bad can ever happen to me, and if it would happen to me, I'd know it!" Well, suddenly you are infected with a virus that shows no symptoms, and you're giving the gift of cancer to everyone you date. I mean, in school we barely glossed over STD's. If they'd mentioned that HSV is found in close to 50% of adults (had chickenpox? guess what! You're infected!), and HPV in almost 75%, maybe kids would pay more attention.


agreed.  i think we also place WAY too much confidence in condoms.
 
2013-12-05 01:50:19 PM

jrodr018: meintx2001: Stop with the herd immunity crap.  If you don't take the vaccine for what ever reason, don't force others to take it to protect you.  It should be their decision.  As for all of the "vaccines are safe, you're just stupid" crowd, every medication given in the US is deemed safe.  But then how many are recalled later when it is determined that they aren't safe?  And how many people suffer and die during that process?

Better yet, if you can't take the vaccine stay away from everyone else.

I cannot for the life of me remember a single medication, especially a vaccine, that has been determined as "safe". All medications have risked associated with them (however infinitesimal), but I am sure you knew that.


Yes, Thank you.  What I was referring to was that while ALL meds in the US pass FDA and are CONSIDERED safe, they are not always.  And yes, I know there are risks.  There are risks to everything.  That was directed at the people that claim that vaccines are not dangerous or deadly.  For some they may be dangerous or deadly.  So if someone doesn't want to take that risk they should not be forced to.
 
2013-12-05 01:57:12 PM
This witch hunt is becoming the new smoking witch hunt quickly.  Wooohoooo!

I can't wait for the next couple decades.  It will be fun to be a part of an actual pitch fork wielding mob going after people who don't follow the recommended daily nutrition values.

Questioning the validity and worth of a vaccination backed by a pure profit motive is not a bad thing.  Who heard of HPV before the vaccination came out?

Anti-Vaccination people are idiots but so are people who think that the HPV vaccination is necessary and/or good just because some company had the money and will to lobby and market their product.
 
2013-12-05 01:57:52 PM

Carn: What a Couric might look like

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Actually, that is what 8.6 Courics might look like, but my work is done here.
 
2013-12-05 01:58:05 PM
Bullshiat headline - she allowed an anti-vaxxer on her show to spew retard-strength ignorance on air that nobody watches.  That's different from being herself an anti-vaxxer, which is what the headline implies.
 
2013-12-05 01:59:06 PM

IRQ12: Who heard of HPV before the vaccination came out?


you sound male
 
2013-12-05 02:04:35 PM

chairmenmeow47: IRQ12: Who heard of HPV before the vaccination came out?

you sound male


you sound Merk
 
2013-12-05 02:05:07 PM

cefm: she allowed an anti-vaxxer on her show


No, she invited three of them. Or at least one of them and two other people implicitly supporting it on the basis of what they don't know.

I agree that she's probably not an anti-vaxxer but rather simply a money-grubbing shiatbird, but when you lie down with dogs...

Besides, this is one of those issues where there is no debate. The science is settled (technically it was never UNsettled since the only "science" ever in favor of the antivaxxers was outright fraud) and short of someone bringing novel, reproducible scientific evidence to the table there is no valid reason to EVER give a scumbag like this an audience. It's equivalent to bringing on an "expert" on flat earth "theory". If you're going to do it, the resulting ridicule is your own damn fault.
 
2013-12-05 02:08:19 PM

IRQ12: Questioning the validity and worth of a vaccination backed by a pure profit motive is not a bad thing. Who heard of HPV before the vaccination came out?


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