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2013-12-05 11:30:40 AM
An irresponsible driver kills a person while driving drunk = more stringent drink and drive laws affecting responsible drivers.

An irresponsible mine owner kills his employees through lax standards = more stringent mining laws affecting responsible mine owners.

An irresponsible factory owner pollutes the environment = more stringent pollution laws affecting responsible  factory owners.

An irresponsible gun owner gets someone killed or wounded by mishandling his gun or letting others mishandle his gun = **Crickets**
 
2013-12-05 11:31:15 AM
Despite the constant usage of the word in the article, I don't find any of this particularly tragic.
 
2013-12-05 11:31:28 AM
How awful.  I would hate to be his mother.  71 years old, never had a gun in my hands.  Even in Eastern Europe, where I grew up, I didn't see people carry guns in the cities, at least.  Wake up AmericaYou are losing your young.
 
2013-12-05 11:31:33 AM

HeadLever: imfallen_angel: The problem is, the stupid ones believe themselves to be smart... take you for example.

Projection fallacy.

There is much that I don't know.  However, you seem to think that you have the world pegged since you are somehow qualified to state that most of the population are idiots to start with, contrary to much evidence.

A wise man once said, "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts"


Awful certain of what the whole problem is, wasn't he?
 
2013-12-05 11:32:09 AM

Dinki: An irresponsible driver kills a person while driving drunk = more stringent drink and drive laws affecting responsible drivers.

An irresponsible mine owner kills his employees through lax standards = more stringent mining laws affecting responsible mine owners.

An irresponsible factory owner pollutes the environment = more stringent pollution laws affecting responsible  factory owners.

An irresponsible gun owner gets someone killed or wounded by mishandling his gun or letting others mishandle his gun = **Crickets**


If you're trying to state that there have been no added gun laws then you are either not paying attention or you're being willfully ignorant.
 
2013-12-05 11:32:19 AM
This kind of thing happens all the time

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2013-12-05 11:32:36 AM
I am opposed to most gun control - something that surprises most people who are aware of my general political orientation. America has a lot of unwholesome attitudes toward guns and violence, and purging them is going to be a Darwinian process.
The sort of people we need fewer of have been statistically proven to be more of a hazard to themselves than others - so I say, give the fappers all the guns they want. They are easy enough to avoid, and they are not to be feared - a pussy with a gun in his hand is still a pussy. Disarming them is not to society's evolutionary advantage.
 
2013-12-05 11:33:03 AM

Dinki: An irresponsible driver kills a person while driving drunk = more stringent drink and drive laws affecting responsible drivers.

An irresponsible mine owner kills his employees through lax standards = more stringent mining laws affecting responsible mine owners.

An irresponsible factory owner pollutes the environment = more stringent pollution laws affecting responsible  factory owners.

An irresponsible gun owner gets someone killed or wounded by mishandling his gun or letting others mishandle his gun = **Crickets** "Arrest the victim's parents!"


fxt
 
2013-12-05 11:33:08 AM
My wife was mad when she found out about my latest acquisition, a .45 ACP w/nightsights.She won't allow it in the house. It currently resides in the back of her car, with 3 clips. I keep it there to amuse her. She told my therapist I bought it, he was really concerned about it. My wife doesn't have any qaulms about my son with firearms, but gets bent out of shape when I buy  one.

//No dry firing, EVAR.
 
2013-12-05 11:35:09 AM

Dimensio: HeadLever: Adss2009: 3.2 out of every 1000 gun owners in this country are responsible for a gun-related death while only 1.2 out of 1000 vehicle owners are responsible for a vehicle related death.

Don't forget that this includes suicide, which is about 2/3rds of all firearm deaths.  Factor that out of the total and you are about on par with vehicle related deaths

Suicides should not be omitted from firearm death statistics. By more strongly regulating firearms, the United States of America could reduce its suicide rate to levels seen in other, more restrictive, nations such as France, Belgium or Finland.


I see what you did there.

Nonetheless it's a fact that, other things being equal, easy access to guns increases the suicide rate.

Americans living in a household with a firearm are more likely to attempt suicide than those in households without one, and furthermore their suicide attempts are more likely to be successful.

It's not hard to understand that having a gun handy makes it much easier for a depressed person to act on a suicidal impulse that other methods which may require more effort, planning, or physical suffering.
 
2013-12-05 11:35:35 AM

DrewCurtisJr: Educated or not kids shouldn't have access to weapons without their parents.


I can agree with that to a certain extent.  my preference is up until they are 10 or so all guns should be stored in a location where they cannot have access.  Once they get over that, I'll start to disagree a little bit but I will agree that the parents still need to have strict supervision over any use up until 12 or so.

Ensuring no access for those that can understand and have been taught about guns without parents around is a good way to breed irresponsible behavior when you arent' looking.
 
2013-12-05 11:36:03 AM

Third rate whore in Toronto: How awful.  I would hate to be his mother.  71 years old, never had a gun in my hands.  Even in Eastern Europe, where I grew up, I didn't see people carry guns in the cities, at least.  Wake up America.  You are losing your young.


Not that many of them, and mostly undesirables - trailer trash and ghetto rats shooting each other, and gun-fappers blowing their own heads off due to being retarded genetic rejects  - let 'em die, I say.
 
2013-12-05 11:36:44 AM

Ex-Texan: My wife was mad when she found out about my latest acquisition, a .45 ACP w/nightsights.She won't allow it in the house. It currently resides in the back of her car, with 3 clips. I keep it there to amuse her. She told my therapist I bought it, he was really concerned about it. My wife doesn't have any qaulms about my son with firearms, but gets bent out of shape when I buy  one.

//No dry firing, EVAR.


But where do you keep the magazines?
 
2013-12-05 11:36:56 AM

jso2897: I am opposed to most gun control - something that surprises most people who are aware of my general political orientation. America has a lot of unwholesome attitudes toward guns and violence, and purging them is going to be a Darwinian process.
The sort of people we need fewer of have been statistically proven to be more of a hazard to themselves than others - so I say, give the fappers all the guns they want. They are easy enough to avoid, and they are not to be feared - a pussy with a gun in his hand is still a pussy. Disarming them is not to society's evolutionary advantage.


I feel the same way about helmet laws. Self-policing problem. No need for the government to get involved.
 
2013-12-05 11:37:22 AM

Ex-Texan: My wife was mad when she found out about my latest acquisition, a .45 ACP w/nightsights.She won't allow it in the house. It currently resides in the back of her car, with 3 clips. I keep it there to amuse her. She told my therapist I bought it, he was really concerned about it. My wife doesn't have any qaulms about my son with firearms, but gets bent out of shape when I buy  one.

//No dry firing, EVAR.


Dry firing won't hurt your gun.

If you're not dry-firing, you're not training enough.
 
2013-12-05 11:37:41 AM

R.A.Danny: If you're trying to state that there have been no added gun laws then you are either not paying attention or you're being willfully ignorant.


You might want to stop listening to the NRA- they lie to you about everything.

Despite national push, more states relaxing gun laws
 
2013-12-05 11:37:54 AM

Doc Daneeka: Nonetheless it's a fact that, other things being equal, easy access to guns increases the suicide rate


The successful suicide rate. Guns are far more effective than taking pills.
 
2013-12-05 11:38:49 AM

Dinki: R.A.Danny: If you're trying to state that there have been no added gun laws then you are either not paying attention or you're being willfully ignorant.

You might want to stop listening to the NRA- they lie to you about everything.

Despite national push, more states relaxing gun laws


1) The laws had to be there to relax
2) That is a wonderful thing
 
2013-12-05 11:39:19 AM

Third rate whore in Toronto: How awful.  I would hate to be his mother.  71 years old, never had a gun in my hands.  Even in Eastern Europe, where I grew up, I didn't see people carry guns in the cities, at least.  Wake up America.  You are losing your young.


Are you posting from Cracker Barrel?
 
2013-12-05 11:40:57 AM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: jso2897: I am opposed to most gun control - something that surprises most people who are aware of my general political orientation. America has a lot of unwholesome attitudes toward guns and violence, and purging them is going to be a Darwinian process.
The sort of people we need fewer of have been statistically proven to be more of a hazard to themselves than others - so I say, give the fappers all the guns they want. They are easy enough to avoid, and they are not to be feared - a pussy with a gun in his hand is still a pussy. Disarming them is not to society's evolutionary advantage.

I feel the same way about helmet laws. Self-policing problem. No need for the government to get involved.


I'm OK with making kids wear 'em. But as for adults - every time a healthy, young adult biker splatters their brains out on something, somewhere between two and three lives are saved (organs) - often, the lives of people with more f**king sense than to splatter their brains out riding a kid's toy.
 
2013-12-05 11:41:43 AM

topcon: HotWingConspiracy: topcon: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: My nephews wonder why I don't allow them to point toy guns, Nerf guns, or squirt guns at me or each other. Bad habits are hard to break. We never had BB guns when I was a kid, because kids will treat them like toys. We could, however, go shooting real guns with adult supervision whenever we asked. At age 11 each of my brothers and sister and I received our first .22's. By that age we'd been well drilled in gun safety.

That's a-tier level retarded.  I shot guns as a kid and also played with nerf guns and water guns and shot them at people.  I never confused the two, don't know anyone who did.

How nice for you.

Your kids would have to be pretty stupid to confuse a water gun and a real gun.  I'm quite certain there are millions of kids out there who played with water guns and shot real guns with adults and never shot anyone.


Millions of flights have not been hijacked by terrorists, but you still get treated like one every time you go through security.
 
2013-12-05 11:42:06 AM

Holt's girlfriend Erin Steele never saw the gun's owner reload the weapon. About two hours later, she picked the gun up, pointed it at Holt, and fired. Instead of the hearing the quiet click of a dry-fire, she saw her boyfriend fall to the ground in pain. She'd shot him in the chest.


Best murder plan EVER!

 
2013-12-05 11:42:40 AM

jst3p: Holt's girlfriend Erin Steele never saw the gun's owner reload the weapon. About two hours later, she picked the gun up, pointed it at Holt, and fired. Instead of the hearing the quiet click of a dry-fire, she saw her boyfriend fall to the ground in pain. She'd shot him in the chest.
Best murder plan EVER!


I saw that movie.
 
2013-12-05 11:42:55 AM
So, she's single?
 
2013-12-05 11:44:36 AM

eyeq360: Dry firing a gun will later lead to steam cleaning a carpet.  Odds are, Stanley Steamer will not be removing pee and poo from your carpet, but more likely blood and brain, with the occasional bits of bone and hair.


Accurate headshots are notoriously hard to make, especially on a moving target.
 
2013-12-05 11:45:39 AM

eyeq360: Dry firing a gun will later lead to steam cleaning a carpet.  Odds are, Stanley Steamer will not be removing pee and poo from your carpet, but more likely blood and brain, with the occasional bits of bone and hair.


Are you not aware of what a human body typically releases upon death?
 
2013-12-05 11:45:43 AM

Frank N Stein: Third rate whore in Toronto: How awful.  I would hate to be his mother.  71 years old, never had a gun in my hands.  Even in Eastern Europe, where I grew up, I didn't see people carry guns in the cities, at least.  Wake up America.  You are losing your young.

Are you posting from Cracker Barrel Tim Hortons?

 
2013-12-05 11:46:28 AM

jso2897: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: jso2897: I am opposed to most gun control - something that surprises most people who are aware of my general political orientation. America has a lot of unwholesome attitudes toward guns and violence, and purging them is going to be a Darwinian process.
The sort of people we need fewer of have been statistically proven to be more of a hazard to themselves than others - so I say, give the fappers all the guns they want. They are easy enough to avoid, and they are not to be feared - a pussy with a gun in his hand is still a pussy. Disarming them is not to society's evolutionary advantage.

I feel the same way about helmet laws. Self-policing problem. No need for the government to get involved.

I'm OK with making kids wear 'em. But as for adults - every time a healthy, young adult biker splatters their brains out on something, somewhere between two and three lives are saved (organs) - often, the lives of people with more f**king sense than to splatter their brains out riding a kid's toy.


Motocycles are "kid's toy"s?

notsureifserious.jpg

/and not everyone is an organ donor...
//taking mine with me
///yes, yes, nobody wants the organs of a stoner anyway, I know.
 
2013-12-05 11:46:54 AM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: eyeq360: Dry firing a gun will later lead to steam cleaning a carpet.  Odds are, Stanley Steamer will not be removing pee and poo from your carpet, but more likely blood and brain, with the occasional bits of bone and hair.

Accurate headshots are notoriously hard to make, especially on a moving target.


The trick is to use the AK, the first shot lands middle of cross hairs every time. The subsequent shots are pretty sloppy.

www.whatpoll.com
 
2013-12-05 11:47:26 AM

HeadLever: imfallen_angel: The Millennials are showing a decline in intelligent though pattern,

That was not your origional premis, was it?  Now you are moving the goalpost from "most of the population are idiots to start with" to now only account for Millennials who only account for about 25% of the population.

Spotting your logical fallacies is not very difficult.  In fact, I would bet that most of the population could identify them quite easily.

/I could be wrong though.


Well, as my point towards yourself is that you are showing to be fairly stupid, I gather that you are fetching to save face.

As the population stands now.. we have the boombers, the genX, the millenials, and each one accuses the other to being the stupid ones... the reality is, many of the boomers are educated, have done fairly well.  the genX is stuck behind the "success" of the boomers, and many scrambling to balance themselves out, but aside the "rebellious" ones that have eventually grown up and stopped accusing the boomers for the mess that the world is in, most now make up the middle class.  But then their children for the most part have grown up in the shadow of these two generations, have learned that as long as you're in the media, that you have followers, you're worth something, then the rest, such as education, is not a big thing... look at Will Smith's son, and his attitude, etc.

Then the number of stories about the stupid crap that kids are doing, where life is all about "fun" and party... you can't have fun without drugs or alcohol, etc. heck, you can't be "someone" without them.

And while this happens, racist appears to be in the rise, no so much about race, but about plain out superiority complexes towards any group that you aren't part of.

So the point that I made is that the population is increasing, but more stupid people are born because life has become simply too easy for the younger ones, due to the mooching off the older generation.

The number of "kids" that I've seen that would not survive without their parents, and this includes people in their 30s, even 40s, speaks for itself.

So my point about the next generation is a representation of the evolution of this downward spiral towards the concerns of what makes someone truly intelligent.

Something that appears to be way over your level of understanding, so hence, you must scrabble with cheap attempts to show some intelligence.

But frankly, just because you read somewhere the word "fallacy" and believe that using it makes you look smart... boy, I could say that I'm bursting your bubble, but the reality is that you wouldn't understand it anyways, heck, you probably don't have a clue to what I'm saying now.  But I do expect another attempt from you to save face..because the limited intelligence you have, is just enough to understand that you are being called out for the idiot that you are.

Please, go ahead and stomp your feet while whining "but I'm not stupid"...
 
2013-12-05 11:47:34 AM
skozlaw: The girl should be charged with murder and everyone else involved as accomplices to it.

You MIGHT want to go back to your old Law School notebooks, and re-learn the common law definition of "murder".  I suspect that even Clarence Darrow would have trouble demonstrating "malice aforethought" given the fact pattern.
 
2013-12-05 11:47:36 AM

R.A.Danny: Dinki: R.A.Danny: If you're trying to state that there have been no added gun laws then you are either not paying attention or you're being willfully ignorant.

You might want to stop listening to the NRA- they lie to you about everything.

Despite national push, more states relaxing gun laws

1) The laws had to be there to relax
2) That is a wonderful thing


I tend to agree - most gun laws are just stupid, and even some of the ones that "work" only serve to protect stupid people from their own stupidity, like drug laws do. Now I don't buy "Idiocracy" theories - this won't "weaken the race", statistically - but it won't strengthen it either.
In general, protecting the stupid from themselves is more trouble to society than it is worth - it requires the expenditure of resources, and often, the restriction of liberties - and the dividend you get back is more stupid, dumb, buck-toothed trailer park assholes we end up having to take care of.
 
2013-12-05 11:48:05 AM
That is a really stupid thing to do. You could damage the gun.
 
2013-12-05 11:48:30 AM

Doc Daneeka: Americans living in a household with a firearm are more likely to attempt suicide than those in households without one,


Does that general statement include those that don't own a gun beforehand, but head off to the gun store in order to purchase one to do the job?  I would suspect that happens quite frequently.
 
2013-12-05 11:48:43 AM

GanjSmokr: jso2897: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: jso2897: I am opposed to most gun control - something that surprises most people who are aware of my general political orientation. America has a lot of unwholesome attitudes toward guns and violence, and purging them is going to be a Darwinian process.
The sort of people we need fewer of have been statistically proven to be more of a hazard to themselves than others - so I say, give the fappers all the guns they want. They are easy enough to avoid, and they are not to be feared - a pussy with a gun in his hand is still a pussy. Disarming them is not to society's evolutionary advantage.

I feel the same way about helmet laws. Self-policing problem. No need for the government to get involved.

I'm OK with making kids wear 'em. But as for adults - every time a healthy, young adult biker splatters their brains out on something, somewhere between two and three lives are saved (organs) - often, the lives of people with more f**king sense than to splatter their brains out riding a kid's toy.

Motocycles are "kid's toy"s?

notsureifserious.jpg

/and not everyone is an organ donor...
//taking mine with me
///yes, yes, nobody wants the organs of a stoner anyway, I know.


For all we know you might have a lovely pancreas.
 
2013-12-05 11:48:49 AM

jso2897: I feel the same way about helmet laws. Self-policing problem. No need for the government to get involved.

I'm OK with making kids wear 'em. But as for adults - every time a healthy, young adult biker splatters their brains out on something, somewhere between two and three lives are saved (organs) - often, the lives of people with more f**king sense than to splatter their brains out riding a kid's toy.


I always figured that they call 'em "brain-buckets" for a reason. If you have no brain, there's no reason to wear a helmet. I'm good with helmet laws for kids also, but I'm not big on government bubble-wrapping adults. And like you said, it's lose-win-win!
 
2013-12-05 11:50:40 AM

GanjSmokr: jso2897: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: jso2897: I am opposed to most gun control - something that surprises most people who are aware of my general political orientation. America has a lot of unwholesome attitudes toward guns and violence, and purging them is going to be a Darwinian process.
The sort of people we need fewer of have been statistically proven to be more of a hazard to themselves than others - so I say, give the fappers all the guns they want. They are easy enough to avoid, and they are not to be feared - a pussy with a gun in his hand is still a pussy. Disarming them is not to society's evolutionary advantage.

I feel the same way about helmet laws. Self-policing problem. No need for the government to get involved.

I'm OK with making kids wear 'em. But as for adults - every time a healthy, young adult biker splatters their brains out on something, somewhere between two and three lives are saved (organs) - often, the lives of people with more f**king sense than to splatter their brains out riding a kid's toy.

Motocycles are "kid's toy"s?

notsureifserious.jpg

/and not everyone is an organ donor...
//taking mine with me
///yes, yes, nobody wants the organs of a stoner anyway, I know.


Well, OK - if a person's life wasn't pretty much theirs to dispose of as they wish to begin with, then what I said would be arguable, and maybe wrong - but finally, if somebody doesn't value their own life, I am not going to value it for them.
 
2013-12-05 11:50:43 AM

imfallen_angel: Then the number of stories about the stupid crap that kids are doing, where life is all about "fun" and party... you can't have fun without drugs or alcohol, etc. heck, you can't be "someone" without them.

And while this happens, racist appears to be in the rise, no so much about race, but about plain out superiority complexes towards any group that you aren't part of.

So the point that I made is that the population is increasing, but more stupid people are born because life has become simply too easy for the younger ones, due to the mooching off the older generation.

The number of "kids" that I've seen that would not survive without their parents, and this includes people in their 30s, even 40s, speaks for itself.


I submit that your conclusions are flawed. The older generation has always considered the younger generation to be inferior and not competent. You hear more stories like this not because stupid shiat like this is happening more frequently, but because you have access to a creation that brings more of these stories to the magic box you are reading them on.
 
2013-12-05 11:50:43 AM

bdub77: Can we arrest the gun owner for being a total dipsh*t and letting them play with his gun?


Bad precedent.  If a guy isn't married and everybody involved is a consenting adult, what's wrong with letting somebody play with his gun?

/Or did you mean "letting them play with his pistol"?
 
2013-12-05 11:51:54 AM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: skozlaw: The girl should be charged with murder and everyone else involved as accomplices to it.

You MIGHT want to go back to your old Law School notebooks, and re-learn the common law definition of "murder".  I suspect that even Clarence Darrow would have trouble demonstrating "malice aforethought" given the fact pattern.


Assuming you believe the story as presented. What if it turned out the girlfriend and the gun owner were making the beast with two backs?
 
2013-12-05 11:51:55 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Dinki: An irresponsible driver kills a person while driving drunk = more stringent drink and drive laws affecting responsible drivers.

An irresponsible mine owner kills his employees through lax standards = more stringent mining laws affecting responsible mine owners.

An irresponsible factory owner pollutes the environment = more stringent pollution laws affecting responsible  factory owners.

An irresponsible gun owner gets someone killed or wounded by mishandling his gun or letting others mishandle his gun = **Crickets** "Arrest the victim's parents!"

fxt


I don't think we read the same article.

Two friends playing with a third friend's gun (owner at fault for allowing).

After friends play with gun, they did not observe owner load same gun, then put it back on the table. (owners fault).

Two friends play with the loaded gun with assumable results (owners fault).

Were the two friends stupid? Yes.

But who was criminally negligent and ultimately responsible for this tragedy?
 
2013-12-05 11:52:50 AM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: bdub77: Can we arrest the gun owner for being a total dipsh*t and letting them play with his gun?

Bad precedent.  If a guy isn't married and everybody involved is a consenting adult, what's wrong with letting somebody play with his gun?

/Or did you mean "letting them play with his pistol"?


Or are you just happy to see me?
 
2013-12-05 11:54:10 AM

jst3p: I submit that your conclusions are flawed. The older generation has always considered the younger generation to be inferior and not competent.


Or maybe we just realize in our maturity how stupid we were in our youth, and know that if these young dingbats somehow avoid killing themselves by the time they get to our age they will realize the same thing.
 
2013-12-05 11:54:52 AM

jst3p: So, she's single?


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2013-12-05 11:55:18 AM

Smidge204: The problem is, there is near total and fervent resistance to the idea that any attempt whatsoever should be made to try to identify criminals and morons so that they may be prevented from owning a gun prior to someone getting killed.


Just like there's no attempt to try to identify criminals and morons before they're allowed to vote.
 
2013-12-05 11:55:30 AM

R.A.Danny: jst3p: I submit that your conclusions are flawed. The older generation has always considered the younger generation to be inferior and not competent.

Or maybe we just realize in our maturity how stupid we were in our youth, and know that if these young dingbats somehow avoid killing themselves by the time they get to our age they will realize the same thing.


This. I don't regard young people as inferior because they aren't competent yet. Competence will come in time. That's why life is long.
 
2013-12-05 11:55:39 AM

CasperImproved: Two friends play with the loaded gun with assumable results (owners fault).


That is where you lost me. If you point a firearm at something and pull the trigger you are in fact culpable even if you honestly thought the weapon was not loaded.
 
2013-12-05 11:56:40 AM

HeadLever: You are completly wrong about the criminal part. No one that I know is resistant to the idea of keeping violent criminals from guns.


Tell that to the people who protest background checks, which are really the only way to sensibly check if someone with a criminal background may be attempting to acquire a gun. Or any attempt to establish a registry that would enable tracing the ownership of firearms to find out how criminals get them.

You know, some places actually prohibit sale or transfer of firearms between private individuals? If you want to sell your firearm you have to go through a licensed dealer who takes care of all the paperwork (including background checks). Would you support something like that?

HeadLever: The moron argument has you playing one. Being a moron is a subjective qualifcation and in that context, is an arbitrary and capricious limitation on an enumerated right.


So no requirements for safety training or evaluation? Would you support written and/or practical testing prior to issuing a permit? How about revoking of permits/licenses for consistently irresponsible but not necessarily *criminal* behavior with a firearm? How about evaluation of mental health?

HeadLever: And what happened to your gun-troll alt? Did it get banned or something? You are never in smidge form in these threads.


Sorry, don't have an alt. Not sure who you're thinking of but I use this handle everywhere my actual name/personal info is not genuinely required. *shrug*
=Smidge=
 
2013-12-05 11:57:31 AM
Idiots with cars, trains, planes, money, power, guns often have a sad ending.

/Shakes tiny fist at Darwin
 
2013-12-05 11:57:36 AM
Come at me bro.

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