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(Opposing Views)   "Holt and his friends were dry-firing the gun at each other for fun earlier in the day." Hmmm, I wonder how this story ends   (opposingviews.com) divider line 417
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2013-12-05 10:16:03 AM  

topcon: Quantum Apostrophe: But overall, having a gun in the house makes you safer. Sure, once in a while there are tragic unavoidable accidents like these, but nothing's perfect.

Yeah, because this happens to a majority of gun owners.


Consider the number of news reports of such incidents occurring compared to the number of news reports of such incidents not occurring.
 
2013-12-05 10:16:15 AM  

topcon: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: My nephews wonder why I don't allow them to point toy guns, Nerf guns, or squirt guns at me or each other. Bad habits are hard to break. We never had BB guns when I was a kid, because kids will treat them like toys. We could, however, go shooting real guns with adult supervision whenever we asked. At age 11 each of my brothers and sister and I received our first .22's. By that age we'd been well drilled in gun safety.

That's a-tier level retarded.  I shot guns as a kid and also played with nerf guns and water guns and shot them at people.  I never confused the two, don't know anyone who did.


How nice for you.
 
2013-12-05 10:18:10 AM  

Carousel Beast: skozlaw: It's never a tragedy when stupid people get shot doing stupid things. Tragedy in this sort of circumstance implies an accident and getting shot playing with guns like they're children's toys is never accidental.

Ever.

The girl should be charged with murder and everyone else involved as accomplices to it.

If gun owners want to be seen as responsible, let's help them out by starting to hold them responsible when they act like farging retards with the damn things. Maybe if we started locking idiots like these up for long periods of time the only ones left in any significant measure WOULD be the ones that are actually responsible after a time.

That's some weapons grade Derp there. Substitute "automobile" for gun and I believe you'll see why.


You're right, we don't require people who drive cars to pass safety exams and carry licenses, obey the rules of the road, carry insurance, etc.  Idiot.  You're only move in bringing up cars in a gun control debate is "bu bu but Second Amendment!", which I'm sure someone will be along shortly to do just that.
 
2013-12-05 10:18:22 AM  
So the boyfriend had been playing the harmless, fun game earlier which certainly qualifies him for a Darwin award.
 
2013-12-05 10:18:37 AM  
I first read that as "Deep-Frying".
Would have ended the same.
 
2013-12-05 10:19:05 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: topcon: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: My nephews wonder why I don't allow them to point toy guns, Nerf guns, or squirt guns at me or each other. Bad habits are hard to break. We never had BB guns when I was a kid, because kids will treat them like toys. We could, however, go shooting real guns with adult supervision whenever we asked. At age 11 each of my brothers and sister and I received our first .22's. By that age we'd been well drilled in gun safety.

That's a-tier level retarded.  I shot guns as a kid and also played with nerf guns and water guns and shot them at people.  I never confused the two, don't know anyone who did.

How nice for you.


Your kids would have to be pretty stupid to confuse a water gun and a real gun.  I'm quite certain there are millions of kids out there who played with water guns and shot real guns with adults and never shot anyone.
 
2013-12-05 10:19:06 AM  

skozlaw: If gun owners want to be seen as responsible, let's help them out by starting to hold them responsible when they act like farging retards with the damn things. Maybe if we started locking idiots like these up for long periods of time the only ones left in any significant measure WOULD be the ones that are actually responsible after a time.


That's a great idea.  I can do one better: in any criminal case where the accused is convicted, and a gun was used in the incident, swap out the jury for the sentencing phase with one drawn entirely from current and paid-up NRA members.

You'd see a lot of sentences passed down including the phrase "without possibility of parole".
 
2013-12-05 10:19:14 AM  
I was witness to the exact same event in highschool, except it was a gas powered airsoft pistol. Kids messing around with it (dry firing, even worse for airsoft guns than it is for most real firearms), owner came back and loaded it. Guy took a pellet to the chin.

/end csb.
 
2013-12-05 10:19:18 AM  

Carn: You're right, we don't require people who drive cars to pass safety exams and carry licenses, obey the rules of the road, carry insurance, etc.


You are correct. Only individuals who drive on public roads are required to pass a test, obtain a license and hold insurance. Individuals who drive exclusively on private roads are not subject to such requirements.
 
2013-12-05 10:19:23 AM  

Carousel Beast: skozlaw: It's never a tragedy when stupid people get shot doing stupid things. Tragedy in this sort of circumstance implies an accident and getting shot playing with guns like they're children's toys is never accidental.

Ever.

The girl should be charged with murder and everyone else involved as accomplices to it.

If gun owners want to be seen as responsible, let's help them out by starting to hold them responsible when they act like farging retards with the damn things. Maybe if we started locking idiots like these up for long periods of time the only ones left in any significant measure WOULD be the ones that are actually responsible after a time.

That's some weapons grade Derp there. Substitute "automobile" for gun and I believe you'll see why.


Actually, it works quite well with you suggested substitution. Works for me anyway. I think our penalties for irresponsible driving are WAY too lax.
 
2013-12-05 10:20:01 AM  

Dimensio: topcon: Quantum Apostrophe: But overall, having a gun in the house makes you safer. Sure, once in a while there are tragic unavoidable accidents like these, but nothing's perfect.

Yeah, because this happens to a majority of gun owners.

Consider the number of news reports of such incidents occurring compared to the number of news reports of such incidents not occurring.


A quick analysis of the number of news stories about people dying vs the number of news stories about people not dying reveals that the human race has less than a month before extinction.
 
2013-12-05 10:22:07 AM  
Holt and his friends playing around with a gun and dry firing it at each other sounds just as smart as.

GASOLINE FIGHT!

i406.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-05 10:23:30 AM  

topcon: HotWingConspiracy: topcon: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: My nephews wonder why I don't allow them to point toy guns, Nerf guns, or squirt guns at me or each other. Bad habits are hard to break. We never had BB guns when I was a kid, because kids will treat them like toys. We could, however, go shooting real guns with adult supervision whenever we asked. At age 11 each of my brothers and sister and I received our first .22's. By that age we'd been well drilled in gun safety.

That's a-tier level retarded.  I shot guns as a kid and also played with nerf guns and water guns and shot them at people.  I never confused the two, don't know anyone who did.

How nice for you.

Your kids would have to be pretty stupid to confuse a water gun and a real gun.  I'm quite certain there are millions of kids out there who played with water guns and shot real guns with adults and never shot anyone.


Eh, I don't think you'll convince him otherwise. He replaced his flooring with wood laminate after catching his nephew pretending that the carpet was hot lava.
 
2013-12-05 10:23:35 AM  
Is she hot? This is important now that she's single
 
2013-12-05 10:23:37 AM  

topcon: HotWingConspiracy: topcon: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: My nephews wonder why I don't allow them to point toy guns, Nerf guns, or squirt guns at me or each other. Bad habits are hard to break. We never had BB guns when I was a kid, because kids will treat them like toys. We could, however, go shooting real guns with adult supervision whenever we asked. At age 11 each of my brothers and sister and I received our first .22's. By that age we'd been well drilled in gun safety.

That's a-tier level retarded.  I shot guns as a kid and also played with nerf guns and water guns and shot them at people.  I never confused the two, don't know anyone who did.

How nice for you.

Your kids would have to be pretty stupid to confuse a water gun and a real gun.


Or your average cop, that blow away kids with toy guns routinely.
 
2013-12-05 10:25:56 AM  
Responsible Gun OwnershipTM
 
2013-12-05 10:26:47 AM  

the_celt: [memecrunch.com image 553x484]

/treat every weapon as if it is loaded


This.

JRoo: The gun owner should be held partly responsible for leaving their gun outside of their control.

IF anyone takes responsible gun ownership seriously.


And that.
 
2013-12-05 10:29:10 AM  

Smidge204: The problem is, there is near total and fervent resistance to the idea that any attempt whatsoever should be made to try to identify criminals and morons so that they may be prevented from owning a gun prior to someone getting killed.


You are completly wrong about the criminal part.  No one that I know is resistant to the idea of keeping violent criminals from guns.

The moron argument has you playing one.  Being a moron is a subjective qualifcation and in that context, is an arbitrary and capricious limitation on an enumerated right.

And what happened to your gun-troll alt?  Did it get banned or something?  You are never in smidge form in these threads.
 
2013-12-05 10:29:31 AM  

AirForceVet: FTA: As heartbreaking as Holt's death is, he is far from the first person to be killed in an accidental shooting even this year. According to Policy Mic, accidental shootings killed 851 Americans in 2012.

I wonder how many of those accidental shootings were Darwin Awards, unlike this sad case.

/Let's throw in suicides in 2012 by guns, for good measure:
//Oh, I can't find that statistic easily on Google as the NRA fights collection of that data.


Why do you hate Jesus and freedoms you commie/sooshulist?
 
2013-12-05 10:31:04 AM  
So the gun owner loaded it and put it back on the table. What a genius.  Why did he need to load it?
 
2013-12-05 10:31:32 AM  

browneye: After the friends were done playing with the gun, the gun's owner loaded the weapon and set it on a table.

Like putting Flipper Helen Keller in charge of the Titanic.


FTFY
 
2013-12-05 10:32:33 AM  

Accordion: So the gun owner loaded it and put it back on the table. What a genius.  Why did he need to load it?


A weapon unused is a useless weapon.
 
2013-12-05 10:34:10 AM  

topcon: Your kids would have to be pretty stupid to confuse a water gun and a real gun.


Yes and no.  For kids that grew up in houses that have real guns and where they have been taught the difference and that real guns need to be hadled only with an adult around, you are correct.

However, many folks never talk about real guns and will never teach their kids how to respect the power of one.  These are the kids really don't know the difference.
 
2013-12-05 10:35:30 AM  
If only he would have had a gun too, this could have been avoided....


But seriously... the gun`s owner loading it and leaving it on table is an idiot... put a safety one it, a lock, something, anything if it`s going to be loaded... not leaving it on the freaking table.

They should all be charged...


/`murikans with their penis replacements... such derpage
 
2013-12-05 10:35:54 AM  

Carousel Beast: Substitute "automobile" for gun and I believe you'll see why.


No, I won't, because unlike you I understand how analogies work.

However, I'm absolutely in favor of much, MUCH more severe punishments for people who hurt and kill others behind the wheel while acting irresponsibly.

Let's start with texters who cause fatal crashes. Lock the farkers up. Thirty years mandatory minimum with no chance of parole would be a good starting point, I think. There's no need to have such mindless individuals wandering around in society causing problems for everyone else.
 
2013-12-05 10:37:07 AM  
According to Florida news station WPBF, Holt and his friends were dry-firing the gun at each other for fun earlier in the day.

I begin to understand how Dubstep came to be labeled music instead of noise.
 
2013-12-05 10:37:43 AM  
I take down my gun when I leave the car...so potential thief has to find all the bits. Steyr m9. One day a round stuck in the throat prior to the dry fire need for the take down, and live fired. Never again. Double and triple check now--as I should have then. Thank god for guardian angels.
 
2013-12-05 10:38:26 AM  

HeadLever: topcon: Your kids would have to be pretty stupid to confuse a water gun and a real gun.

Yes and no.  For kids that grew up in houses that have real guns and where they have been taught the difference and that real guns need to be hadled only with an adult around, you are correct.

However, many folks never talk about real guns and will never teach their kids how to respect the power of one.  These are the kids really don't know the difference.


Overall, most of the population are idiots to start with, raising kids to be just as stupid.. and that between movies, TV shows, and video games, how many kids might get the wrong impression to guns... and well.. if they see them as toys... this stuff happens.
 
2013-12-05 10:40:00 AM  

Carn: Carousel Beast: skozlaw: It's never a tragedy when stupid people get shot doing stupid things. Tragedy in this sort of circumstance implies an accident and getting shot playing with guns like they're children's toys is never accidental.

Ever.

The girl should be charged with murder and everyone else involved as accomplices to it.

If gun owners want to be seen as responsible, let's help them out by starting to hold them responsible when they act like farging retards with the damn things. Maybe if we started locking idiots like these up for long periods of time the only ones left in any significant measure WOULD be the ones that are actually responsible after a time.

That's some weapons grade Derp there. Substitute "automobile" for gun and I believe you'll see why.

You're right, we don't require people who drive cars to pass safety exams and carry licenses, obey the rules of the road, carry insurance, etc.  Idiot.  You're only move in bringing up cars in a gun control debate is "bu bu but Second Amendment!", which I'm sure someone will be along shortly to do just that.


You just can't let go of your derp long enough to think, can you?

Let's base this on your own argument (bolded, above). There are more handguns than passenger vehicles in the United States. Let's say absolutely nobody with one ever learns anything, is checked out, nothing. hey just blindly have guns and no idea about how to use them safely.

The death rate on these regulated, insured, controlled items is higher than the death rate of guns, if you included all gun deaths in the pool, no matter the circumstances.

Links:

Death Rate (CDC)
Number of passenger vehicles
Number of guns

/Idiot? Look in the mirror, pal
 
2013-12-05 10:41:45 AM  

skozlaw: The girl should be charged with murder and everyone else involved as accomplices to it.


No.  Negligent homicide.

imfallen_angel: But seriously... the gun`s owner loading it and leaving it on table is an idiot... put a safety one it, a lock, something, anything if it`s going to be loaded... not leaving it on the freaking table.


Yup.  The owner deserves a charge for that nonsense, also.
 
2013-12-05 10:41:52 AM  

Accordion: So the gun owner loaded it and put it back on the table. What a genius.  Why did he need to load it?


READY FOR A HOME INVASION.

Not ready for friends.
 
2013-12-05 10:41:56 AM  

skozlaw: Let's start with texters who cause fatal crashes. Lock the farkers up. Thirty years mandatory minimum with no chance of parole would be a good starting point, I think. There's no need to have such mindless individuals wandering around in society causing problems for everyone else.


Agreed.
ANd no DL when they get out.
 
2013-12-05 10:42:56 AM  

topcon: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: My nephews wonder why I don't allow them to point toy guns, Nerf guns, or squirt guns at me or each other. Bad habits are hard to break. We never had BB guns when I was a kid, because kids will treat them like toys. We could, however, go shooting real guns with adult supervision whenever we asked. At age 11 each of my brothers and sister and I received our first .22's. By that age we'd been well drilled in gun safety.

That's a-tier level retarded.  I shot guns as a kid and also played with nerf guns and water guns and shot them at people.  I never confused the two, don't know anyone who did.


This guy did.

www.examiner.com
 
2013-12-05 10:43:20 AM  

AirForceVet: /Let's throw in suicides in 2012 by guns, for good measure:
//Oh, I can't find that statistic easily on Google as the NRA fights collection of that data.


Sure you can.  Google "WISQARS".  You can get all kinds of data, including suicide by gun, and the NRA has done NOTHING to prevent that kind of data.  Why, you ask?  Well, it could be because it proves that things like accident by guns have been consistently becoming more and more rare, but the truth is that you're most likely confusing actual crime reports with the highly-speculative anti-gun propaganda that was produced by the CDC decades ago.

Oh, and guns don't CAUSE suicide...at best, there's a correlation, most likely because people who really want to commit suicide tend to know that the most effective way to do so is to shoot themselves, so they might buy a gun to do it.   Correlation /= Causation.
 
2013-12-05 10:43:35 AM  
Is "dry-firing" what gun fetishists do before they start jacking each other off?
 
2013-12-05 10:44:58 AM  

skozlaw: Carousel Beast: Substitute "automobile" for gun and I believe you'll see why.

No, I won't, because unlike you I understand how analogies work.

However, I'm absolutely in favor of much, MUCH more severe punishments for people who hurt and kill others behind the wheel while acting irresponsibly.

Let's start with texters who cause fatal crashes. Lock the farkers up. Thirty years mandatory minimum with no chance of parole would be a good starting point, I think. There's no need to have such mindless individuals wandering around in society causing problems for everyone else.


You apparently don't understand analogies at all since I didn't make one. But thanks for trolling.
 
2013-12-05 10:45:23 AM  
They should ALL be arrested......unfortunately, stupidity is not a crime.  The gun owner was probably secretly in love with the victims girlfriend, so he figured if he put bullets in the gun he could get rid of the only one standing in his way.....too bad it happened to be her that pulled the trigger.  Seriously though, you NEVER point a gun at someone unless you are prepared to shoot them, even if you know the gun is not loaded and especially if you have no idea if it's loaded, what a waste.  Also, I hardly think this qualifies for a Florida tag...."Dumbass" yes, "Moron" yes, but not Florida.
 
2013-12-05 10:45:26 AM  

imfallen_angel: Overall, most of the population are idiots to start with, raising kids to be just as stupid..


But yet gun deaths are falling and folks are living longer.  Methinks that you spend too much time buried in florida news stories in your mom's basement and not enough time living in the real world.

Yes, there are dumb folks out there, but trying to convince yourself that most are simpleton idots is a good way to keep your empathy at a minimum and your callousness turned up to 11.
 
2013-12-05 10:45:55 AM  

lilbjorn: Is "dry-firing" what gun fetishists do before they start jacking each other off?


Is there something wrong with jacking each other off?
 
2013-12-05 10:45:55 AM  

OnlyM3: No charges being filed?
WTF?


It's Florida and she's white.
 
2013-12-05 10:47:33 AM  
People dying acting like morons is OK by everyone on Fark but as soon as people are acting like morons WITH A GUN.  Suddenly its gun outrage, idiots are idiots gun or not if this hadn't killed them they just would have died trying to lick a downed power cable or something.
 
2013-12-05 10:49:10 AM  

BR549: They should ALL be arrested......unfortunately, stupidity is not a crime.


Doing something so stupid and reckless that it kills somebody is a crime.
 
2013-12-05 10:49:54 AM  

lilbjorn: Is "dry-firing" what gun fetishists do before they start jacking each other off?


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-12-05 10:50:09 AM  

Secret Master of All Flatulence: AirForceVet: /Let's throw in suicides in 2012 by guns, for good measure:
//Oh, I can't find that statistic easily on Google as the NRA fights collection of that data.

Sure you can.  Google "WISQARS".  You can get all kinds of data, including suicide by gun, and the NRA has done NOTHING to prevent that kind of data.


From WISQAR's page:
Data from the National Violent Death Reporting System (NVDRS) - violent incidents and deaths, death rates, and causes of injury mortality. Data provided for 16 states and are not nationally representative.
What about the other 34 states?
 
2013-12-05 10:52:21 AM  

Loren: No. Negligent homicide.


I don't think you could make a case for accomplices with that. You need something that everyone involved goes down for since it was the entirety of the group's behavior that actually caused the "accident". The fact that the girl was the on that actually wound up shooting anybody was simply a matter of misfortune, they're all to blame for the event.

Carousel Beast: You apparently don't understand analogies at all since I didn't make one


So you think automobiles are a literal stand-in for firearms and the two can actually be used interchangeably per your suggestion?

Sounds about right considering the sensibility of anything else you ever post.
 
2013-12-05 10:52:30 AM  

abhorrent1: Is she hot? This is important now that she's single


Yeah, and at least she's most likely learned her lesson about pointing a gun and pulling the trigger so you probably won't have to worry about her unintentionally shooting you.

Notice I qualified that with "most likely".
 
2013-12-05 10:52:36 AM  
And if she misses we never hear about it.
 
2013-12-05 10:54:22 AM  

Accordion: So the gun owner loaded it and put it back on the table. What a genius.  Why did he need to load it?


'cause purtekshun man, purtekshun.
 
2013-12-05 10:54:39 AM  

HeadLever: imfallen_angel: Overall, most of the population are idiots to start with, raising kids to be just as stupid..

But yet gun deaths are falling and folks are living longer.  Methinks that you spend too much time buried in florida news stories in your mom's basement and not enough time living in the real world.

Yes, there are dumb folks out there, but trying to convince yourself that most are simpleton idots is a good way to keep your empathy at a minimum and your callousness turned up to 11.


I believe that the population's expansion is maintaining a level of balance for the smarter people, but that overall, more stupid ones ar born each day.

The problem is, the stupid ones believe themselves to be smart... take you for example.
 
2013-12-05 10:55:22 AM  
Dry-firing isn't harmful to most centerfire guns, so at least the gun is going to be okay!
 
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