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(Daily Mail)   The NSA admits to tracking your cellphone location when you are abroad. They probably do the same when you are a guy, as well   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 112
    More: Scary, NSA, cell phones, mass surveillance, Ron Wyden, Director of National Intelligence, D-Ore, United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Catherine Crump  
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2013-12-05 08:45:07 AM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

Why, that's a terrible thing. I don't know how many time I've told those boys, never call chicks broads.
 
2013-12-05 09:16:32 AM  
Depending on where you are going, this might be a good thing.
 
2013-12-05 09:18:38 AM  
I figured as much.  I've pretty much figured I'm on a list or two now.
 
2013-12-05 09:19:08 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Depending on where you are going, this might be a good thing.


No, it's not... there isn't any compelling evidence that would demonstrate that every American going overseas is even remotely related to a national security concern. It is pure overreach... the NSA is experiencing mission creep in order to justify a ever-growing budget to fight a nebulous threat that isn't necessarily any different than it was a decade ago.
 
2013-12-05 09:20:26 AM  

dittybopper: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 553x369]

Why, that's a terrible thing. I don't know how many time I've told those boys, never call chicks broads.


You win a twinkie wienie sandwich!
 
2013-12-05 09:21:05 AM  
In general, most people have a form of herd protection against government invasion of privacy. With hundreds of millions of cell phone users in this country, there's little chance any jagoff in DC is going to give a shiat which dive bar you at dinner at last Tuesday. What scares me about this, though, is the potential to release embarrassing information in retaliation against dissidents or to prevent individuals with views deemed unfavorable from being elected. Imagine if a populist who promised to end foreign occupancies, slash defense contractor pork, lower taxes on the middle class, and restore civil liberties were running for Senate, when it was suddenly "leaked" to the press that his cell phone was parked in front of a strip club last month.
 
2013-12-05 09:21:37 AM  
Sen. Wyden: "So what I wanted to see is if you could give me a yes or no answer to the question, does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?"
Director of National Intelligence JAMES CLAPPER:  "No, sir."

Department of Justice: Perju-what?
 
2013-12-05 09:22:48 AM  
I have no problem with this because I no when I am out of the country I am not involved in any terrorist activities.  I can see why a terrorist would complain though.
 
2013-12-05 09:23:27 AM  
Admits? No, Snowden leaked this info. The NSA admits nothing.
 
2013-12-05 09:23:37 AM  
i.dailymail.co.uk
From what I understand that complex actually extends underground about 20 or so floors.  Makes sense when you see the size of the parking lot against the size of the building.
 
2013-12-05 09:23:45 AM  
so get a phone that isn't tied to your name legally

i do

no big deal

change email all the time
as annoying as my friends find it

whatever
 
2013-12-05 09:25:30 AM  
what most Americans don't understand is that the NSA is only tracking them to keep them all Freedomy.


bin laden was the best thing that ever happened to the DoD, etc.   it gave them the Freedom to demand budget increases and to live the good life at the taxpayer's expense while claiming to keep us 'safe' from a fringe group of Terrorists who couldn't take over sri lanka, let alone the U.S.A.


nothing is more profitable than Fear.
 
2013-12-05 09:26:09 AM  

DubtodaIll: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x436]
From what I understand that complex actually extends underground about 20 or so floors.  Makes sense when you see the size of the parking lot against the size of the building.



its all to keep you free and safe.  (;
 
2013-12-05 09:27:23 AM  

generallyso: Sen. Wyden: "So what I wanted to see is if you could give me a yes or no answer to the question, does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?"
Director of National Intelligence JAMES CLAPPER:  "No, sir."

Department of Justice: Perju-what?


Maybe it was "tens of millions." The trick is to evade the question while being technically correct.
 
2013-12-05 09:28:12 AM  

Muta: I have no problem with this because I no when I am out of the country I am not involved in any terrorist activities.  I can see why a terrorist would complain though.



what you don't understand is the ball is now rolling down hill.   over time, they will become more and more instrusive in your life to 'protect' you and keep you 'free'.

and the more info others have about you, the more power they have over you.  and the more wealth they can steal from you.

but you like having your labor stolen.
 
2013-12-05 09:28:17 AM  
+1 Internets to Subby for the title.
 
2013-12-05 09:30:02 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: Admits? No, Snowden leaked this info. The NSA admits nothing.



what the NSA does is none of the American people's business.
 
2013-12-05 09:32:15 AM  
at this point I just assume any communication is computerized unless I've taken steps to ensure security.
There is a reason GPS service is provided as a free "gift" of the U.S. government.
 
2013-12-05 09:33:30 AM  
computerized = compromised
 
2013-12-05 09:34:17 AM  

Linux_Yes: DubtodaIll: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x436]
From what I understand that complex actually extends underground about 20 or so floors.  Makes sense when you see the size of the parking lot against the size of the building.


its all to keep you free and safe.  (;


I'm just more impressed with the implied symbolism of the way they construct buildings in Washington.  That NSA building for example, 30% above and to be seen, the rest underground and where the real work happens.   I'd be curious to know if anyone has taken a scholarly effort to research who the architects and designers of the various department HQs were and I really know that the government loves to reward curiosity so I think this will turn out well.
 
2013-12-05 09:34:41 AM  

Muta: I have no problem with this because I no when I am out of the country I am not involved in any terrorist activities.  I can see why a terrorist would complain though.


4/10

HardyHar on the headline subby!
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-12-05 09:34:41 AM  
I would hate to have the NSA know where I am if I ever get taken hostage by some terrorists.
 
2013-12-05 09:36:04 AM  
This comes as no...

i.imgur.com

/we can has UHF thread?
 
2013-12-05 09:42:47 AM  

HypnozombieX: at this point I just assume any communication is computerized unless I've taken steps to ensure security.
There is a reason GPS service is provided as a free "gift" of the U.S. government.


Actually, a GPS *RECEIVER* can't be tracked.  So you can use one without any real worries so long as you keep it physically secure.

The danger is when it's combined with some sort of a transmitter, like in a cell phone, that reports its position somehow.  That's when your location can be tracked by the NSA.

Of course, they can do that with your cell phone even if it doesn't have a built-in GPS.  Cell phones regularly beacon in order to find the closest cell tower.  That's not sinister in and of itself, the cell system needs to know where to route incoming calls.  But that also means there is a record of approximately where you are, and that's what the NSA can use.
 
2013-12-05 09:43:50 AM  

DubtodaIll: Linux_Yes: DubtodaIll: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x436]
From what I understand that complex actually extends underground about 20 or so floors.  Makes sense when you see the size of the parking lot against the size of the building.


its all to keep you free and safe.  (;

I'm just more impressed with the implied symbolism of the way they construct buildings in Washington.  That NSA building for example, 30% above and to be seen, the rest underground and where the real work happens.   I'd be curious to know if anyone has taken a scholarly effort to research who the architects and designers of the various department HQs were and I really know that the government loves to reward curiosity so I think this will turn out well.



there are a buttload of dirty secrets underground that, if they were to get out to the public, the public would not be very hospitable.   but, ignorance is bliss.
 
2013-12-05 09:46:54 AM  
OK, I admit it, I LOL'd

*golf clap* for subby
 
2013-12-05 09:51:18 AM  

vpb: I would hate to have the NSA know where I am if I ever get taken hostage by some terrorists.


You really think it would matter?

The NSA wouldn't really care.  They'd take note of it, perhaps, if they knew your name and number were associated (which isn't always the case), and if you were extremely lucky and managed to retain the phone, and if it was GPS enabled, and if the US government decided it was worth the potential cost, you *MIGHT* get rescued.
 
2013-12-05 09:52:53 AM  

Muta: I have no problem with this because I no when I am out of the country I am not involved in any terrorist activities.  I can see why a terrorist would complain though.


Would you have a problem with it if you were on vacation and arrested for terrorism (without due process because of the Patriot Act" and brought back to the States and interrogated for a few (or few dozen) hours before they realize their mistake and let you go?

I mean, sure, that may be an extreme example, but Americans shouldn't be harassed by the Government on coincidence or a hunch.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-12-05 09:55:36 AM  

dittybopper: The NSA wouldn't really care.  They'd take note of it, perhaps, if they knew your name and number were associated (which isn't always the case), and if you were extremely lucky and managed to retain the phone, and if it was GPS enabled, and if the US government decided it was worth the potential cost, you *MIGHT* get rescued.


I think that might be better than the not getting rescued.
 
2013-12-05 10:03:16 AM  
Okay, subby has my sense of humor. +1 Internets.
 
2013-12-05 10:03:25 AM  

vpb: dittybopper: The NSA wouldn't really care.  They'd take note of it, perhaps, if they knew your name and number were associated (which isn't always the case), and if you were extremely lucky and managed to retain the phone, and if it was GPS enabled, and if the US government decided it was worth the potential cost, you *MIGHT* get rescued.

I think that might be better than the not getting rescued.


What I was saying was that the chances of it happening are so remote that it's practically zero.
 
2013-12-05 10:03:49 AM  
...And since we are such a lazy society, we will just shrug and take that privacy violation right up the poop hole too, because it's the holidays and we have shopping to do.
 
2013-12-05 10:10:26 AM  
Apart from not carrying a phone, what can we do about it?  I'm asking in a serious way.
 
2013-12-05 10:12:09 AM  

EvilAvatar: ...And since we are such a lazy society, we will just shrug and take that privacy violation right up the poop hole too, because it's the holidays and we have shopping to do.


As opposed to voting for the other half of our reigning political monopoly or providing the police another opportunity to practice assaulting peaceful but utterly powerless demonstrations?
 
2013-12-05 10:12:34 AM  

davynelson: so get a phone that isn't tied to your name legally

i do

no big deal

change email all the time
as annoying as my friends find it

whatever


But you've kept your fark-handle for 11 years, so all that work was for nothing.
 
2013-12-05 10:14:11 AM  

fireclown: Apart from not carrying a phone, what can we do about it?  I'm asking in a serious way.


Well, since we are all monitored, it's not like we can plot to kill the ones responsible.
I guess we're buggered.
 
2013-12-05 10:19:08 AM  

Public Savant: davynelson: so get a phone that isn't tied to your name legally

i do

no big deal

change email all the time
as annoying as my friends find it

whatever

But you've kept your fark-handle for 11 years, so all that work was for nothing.


Don't be silly. There's no way fark comments can be traced.
 
2013-12-05 10:19:59 AM  

fireclown: Apart from not carrying a phone, what can we do about it?  I'm asking in a serious way.


Don't carry a phone.
I don't
And I'm on their list
I don't even use a land line.
I don't fly.

Fark 'em.
Let them wonder.
let them guess.
 
2013-12-05 10:27:43 AM  

vudukungfu: fireclown: Apart from not carrying a phone, what can we do about it?  I'm asking in a serious way.

Don't carry a phone.
I don't
And I'm on their list
I don't even use a land line.
I don't fly.

Fark 'em.
Let them wonder.
let them guess.


I"m not willing to make that sacrifice.  I love me some wireless internet, and since I travel a good bit I find that having a GPS thingie with me to be really, really helpful.

But it also seems that there should be some kind of TOR-style spoofing dealimagigger.  Or do I have to learn a new language and start hanging around with the crypto folks?
 
2013-12-05 10:30:57 AM  
I am still chuckling subby. Good work.
 
2013-12-05 10:37:38 AM  

fireclown: Apart from not carrying a phone, what can we do about it?  I'm asking in a serious way.


Don't radiate.

If you transmit, they can find you.  If you *HAVE* to transmit, pick a frequency and mode that makes it more difficult for them to DF you.  Use good encryption, either manual, or from a machine that isn't connected to the wider internet.

You can receive to your heart's content, however, and they can't really track that.  Back in the WWII days, when most receivers were regenerative sets, they could track the unintended radiation from them, but modern superhets don't radiate like that.
 
2013-12-05 10:40:03 AM  

fireclown: I"m not willing to make that sacrifice.  I love me some wireless internet, and since I travel a good bit I find that having a GPS thingie with me to be really, really helpful.


A receive only GPS won't give away your position.
 
2013-12-05 10:42:16 AM  
So, when I forget where I left my phone, can I call the NSA up and ask them where it is?
 
2013-12-05 10:42:37 AM  

JoieD'Zen: Public Savant: davynelson: so get a phone that isn't tied to your name legally

i do

no big deal

change email all the time
as annoying as my friends find it

whatever

But you've kept your fark-handle for 11 years, so all that work was for nothing.

Don't be silly. There's no way fark comments can be traced.


...Hey, everyone, we found Drew's alt!
 
2013-12-05 10:45:05 AM  

dittybopper: fireclown: I"m not willing to make that sacrifice.  I love me some wireless internet, and since I travel a good bit I find that having a GPS thingie with me to be really, really helpful.

A receive only GPS won't give away your position.


NOW we're talking.  Can I set that as a setting on my phone?   But won't I still be trackable by signal strength triangulation?  Or by logging into tiny networks like that stupid thing in seatle (  http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/12/seattle-installs-homeland- s ecurity-funded-white-box-mesh-network-capable-of-tracking-cellphones/   )?

/yeah, I know, the blaze.  It was that or Infowars.  But it was real!  (  http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Police-deactivating-controversial- W iFi-network-in-Seattle-231692161.html )
 
2013-12-05 10:48:26 AM  

fireclown: dittybopper: fireclown: I"m not willing to make that sacrifice.  I love me some wireless internet, and since I travel a good bit I find that having a GPS thingie with me to be really, really helpful.

A receive only GPS won't give away your position.

NOW we're talking.  Can I set that as a setting on my phone?   But won't I still be trackable by signal strength triangulation?  Or by logging into tiny networks like that stupid thing in seatle (  http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/12/seattle-installs-homeland- s ecurity-funded-white-box-mesh-network-capable-of-tracking-cellphones/   )?

/yeah, I know, the blaze.  It was that or Infowars.  But it was real!  (  http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Police-deactivating-controversial- W iFi-network-in-Seattle-231692161.html )


I'm talking about not carrying a phone, and instead using a dedicated GPS receiver, like a Garmin.
 
2013-12-05 10:52:39 AM  

fireclown: Apart from not carrying a phone, what can we do about it?  I'm asking in a serious way.


Seriously? Get involved in government, but that's a full time job that most sane people avoid.

Other than that, pay cash for everything, don't have a phone (or similar devices), don't travel and stop using the Internet.
 
2013-12-05 10:55:30 AM  

dittybopper: fireclown: I"m not willing to make that sacrifice.  I love me some wireless internet, and since I travel a good bit I find that having a GPS thingie with me to be really, really helpful.

A receive only GPS won't give away your position.


License plate recognition software doesn't care about your GPS. Neither does your EZPass (or whatever they have near you).
 
2013-12-05 10:57:01 AM  

fireclown: Apart from not carrying a phone, what can we do about it?  I'm asking in a serious way.


All experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
 
2013-12-05 10:58:18 AM  

Karma Curmudgeon: fireclown: Apart from not carrying a phone, what can we do about it?  I'm asking in a serious way.

All experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.


Yeah, good luck with that.
 
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