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(American Thinker)   Poorly-paid interns at Mother Jones are told to get food stamps, proving that welfare is a subsidy for liberal media, while poorly-paid interns elsewhere are encouraged to get a second job, proving conservatives are job creators   (americanthinker.com) divider line 19
    More: Obvious, Mother Jones, food stamps, liberal media, subsidies, Wade Rathke, welfare, minimum wage law, Alinsky  
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2013-12-05 08:31:37 AM  
6 votes:
The hippy-fueled magazine Mother Jones that helped torpedo Mitt Romney's campaign

The GOP torpedoed Mitt Romney campaign.  Anyone who was reading Mother Jones wasn't going to vote for him, ever.
2013-12-05 08:41:36 AM  
4 votes:
The hippy-fueled magazine

stoppedreadingrightthere.jpg

Also, someone doesn't know what "internship" means.
2013-12-05 09:04:59 AM  
3 votes:
A: Internships suck. THey should be illegal, especially the ones where all that you do is turn into a gofer. I've also seen internships that don't allow you to have a second job. It's a bullshiat practice and needs to go away.

B: That said, although Subby's excellent article makes it sound like American Stinker brought up the existence of internships on the Right, they did no such thing, just went on and on, implying the whole time that only Leftist organizations have such things. So fark American Stinker, the Right has interns in the same percentage, and they don't pay their farking interns either, so AT can eat a dick.
2013-12-05 10:17:08 AM  
2 votes:

neversubmit: And conservatives have Google on their side.

Google Funding a Slew of Right-Wing Groups

American Conservative Union
Americans for Tax Reform
CATO Institute
Federalist Society
George Mason University Law School Law and Economics Center
Heritage Action
Mercatus Center
National Taxpayers Union
R Street Institute
Texas Public Policy Foundation


Wait, why would something called the Federalist Society be a conservative group?

(Googles)

Oh... It's another one of those conservative organizations that is just the opposite of what it's called. Like the ones with "reform" or "family" in their names.
2013-12-05 09:00:24 AM  
2 votes:
What the heck is latte liberalism? All the people I know who drink latte are a bunch of stuffed-shirt conservatives from the suburbs who think that Starbucks is a lifestyle.
2013-12-05 08:52:31 AM  
2 votes:
Ok, so what I'm taking away from this article is that Mother Jones is mean because their interns - (unpaid volunteers, for those who STILL don't know what the word "internship" means) are using food stamps to subsidize their "radical transformation of American society."

On the other hand, it's perfectly fine for companies like WalMart and McDonalds to use food stamps to compensate for the shiat wages they pay.
2013-12-05 08:50:34 AM  
2 votes:
It's always nice to be reminded that simply saying, "Get a job," or pontificating on how  you'd go about fixing the economy if you were President is a form of job creation. Hell, with this logic I became an inventor yesterday when I said, "They really should sell breakfast sandwiches that use Eggos instead of bread."
2013-12-05 12:47:58 PM  
1 votes:

Cletus C.: DeaH: NutWrench: The hippy-fueled magazine

stoppedreadingrightthere.jpg

Also, someone doesn't know what "internship" means.

They pay their interns $1000/month and call the positions "fellows," sort of like an academic fellowship. That is a lot better pay than most internships, and they guarantee the position is doing real research and journalism - no coffee-getting and laundy pick-ups. True, $1000/month is not enough to live in San Francisco (it would need to be roughly double), but it's better by far than most internship pay which is usually just pay "experience and connections."

Here's the original article the information came from. Search for the "Be Our Hero" subhead to find the section on Mother Jones.

That's about $5.77 an hour.


Mother Jones is raising it to $1500. See the math in this post to see how it works out at the $1000/month and $1500/month stipend. It's not great. The person taking the job would have to make sacrifices, but it is doable as long is not supporting a family or going to be in the job long-term.
2013-12-05 12:43:59 PM  
1 votes:

The_Six_Fingered_Man: So you agree that they should be paid a living wage, then bring up how MJ will raise the stipend, even though it still doesn't come close a living wage in SF. So...... good job, good effort, I guess.


I think they should be paid a living wage. What Mother Jones is paying them is not great, but it is far better than other publishing interns. I am not sure why this is a hard concept for you to understand, since I have said this more than one. So, to repeat a fourth time, they should be paid a living wage. What Mother Jones is paying them is not great, but it is far better than other publishing interns.

Perhaps you're the sort that needs an example:

Here is the rent for an apartment in Oakland, the town next to San Francisco. Usually, one can find better deals by not shopping for rents online, but let's assume our intern is from another state. So, let's say he moves into the most expensive four-bedroom apartment in the building and shares it with three other people. Everyone gets his own room, which is a lot better than living in most dorms. His share would be $328 a month. Let's assume utilities are not included. The amenities do include high speed internet, and the more expensive units (which our unit is) are furnished. So, figure his share of electric and gas would be about $200 a month. If he has a car (gift from the 'rents for high school gradution?), figure another $400 for gas and insurance. If he does not have a car, he will have to take public transport . A BART Fast Pass is $70 per month. If this is a six-month internship, we probably do not have to factor in wardrobe, so zero for that.

The with-car-intern would have just 72 dollars left for food and entertainment at the $1000/stipend. After taxes, it would be nothing. Yes, he would need to have more roommates, and he might want to re-think the car. He would have $572 left at the raised amount (less after taxes). It's not a ton, but it will buy food and some beer.

The no-car-intern would have have $598 left under the $1000/month stipend. He would have $1598 under the new stipend. This is not lavish living, and a chunk of his time would be spent on public transportation, but he can live comfortable, but not lavishly. He can't live in San Francisco, but he can live the next town over.

Now, let's look at a standard internship for publications. Most are in New York City. Most pay nothing. True, the cost of living is significantly cheaper in New Jersey, and public transportation is available, but none of those things are free. Only a person with parents willing (and able) to foot the bill can afford these internships.

Do you see the difference? What Mother Jones is paying them is not great, but it is far better than other publishing interns.

Now, to use the specious comparison of the article, comparing an intern with a Walmart minimum wage worker, things begin to breakdown quickly. The average fast food or Walmart employee is in his late 20s. He is not a college student. He often comes from lower income families. His roommates are likely to be one or more of his children. They will not be contributing to the rent. Our interns are unlikely to be supporting children, and they will not need to worry about childcare the way the Walmart worker does. You see, interns (by any name) tend to be just starting out. They deserve to be paid. And the wage should be livable for the location (if there is no public transportation, that means in the city; if there is public transportation, there's wiggle room). People working fast food and retail tend to not be just starting. Many of them have children. Comparing those jobs to internships is ridiculous.

So, now that this is all spelled out for you, perhaps you will understand that what Mother Jones is paying them is not great, but it is far better than other publishing interns. And neither can be meaningfully compared to retail or fast food.
2013-12-05 11:12:14 AM  
1 votes:

DeaH: NutWrench: The hippy-fueled magazine

stoppedreadingrightthere.jpg

Also, someone doesn't know what "internship" means.

They pay their interns $1000/month and call the positions "fellows," sort of like an academic fellowship. That is a lot better pay than most internships, and they guarantee the position is doing real research and journalism - no coffee-getting and laundy pick-ups. True, $1000/month is not enough to live in San Francisco (it would need to be roughly double), but it's better by far than most internship pay which is usually just pay "experience and connections."

Here's the original article the information came from. Search for the "Be Our Hero" subhead to find the section on Mother Jones.


Shouldn't they be paid a Living Wage(TM) regardless of their title?
2013-12-05 10:51:47 AM  
1 votes:

clkeagle: neversubmit: And conservatives have Google on their side.

Google Funding a Slew of Right-Wing Groups

American Conservative Union
Americans for Tax Reform
CATO Institute
Federalist Society
George Mason University Law School Law and Economics Center
Heritage Action
Mercatus Center
National Taxpayers Union
R Street Institute
Texas Public Policy Foundation

Wait, why would something called the Federalist Society be a conservative group?

(Googles)

Oh... It's another one of those conservative organizations that is just the opposite of what it's called. Like the ones with "reform" or "family" in their names.


Or "Thinker"
2013-12-05 09:55:51 AM  
1 votes:

EvilEgg: The hippy-fueled magazine Mother Jones that helped torpedo Mitt Romney's campaign

The GOP torpedoed Mitt Romney campaign.  Anyone who was reading Mother Jones wasn't going to vote for him, ever.


So are they saying that hippies are not only still relevant, but are powerful enough to sabotage an otherwise strong presidential campaign?
2013-12-05 09:50:30 AM  
1 votes:

sprgrss: By and large, internships are nothing more than modern day slavery.  No person, who is not currently in school, should be working for free as an "intern" and those companies that hire them, with the consideration for their work being experience, are engaging in illegal employment practices.

the whole internship system needs to be blown up.


You apparently know quite little about slavery.
2013-12-05 09:40:42 AM  
1 votes:
poorly-paid interns elsewhere are encouraged to get a second job, proving conservatives are job slave creators.


i think a 3rd job would be even better.   certainly for the richest 2% any way.   the more blood and sweat the Owners can squeeze out of the dumb american turnip, the better.
2013-12-05 09:25:57 AM  
1 votes:
By and large, internships are nothing more than modern day slavery.  No person, who is not currently in school, should be working for free as an "intern" and those companies that hire them, with the consideration for their work being experience, are engaging in illegal employment practices.

the whole internship system needs to be blown up.
2013-12-05 09:23:15 AM  
1 votes:
Can we just agree that most businesses in 2013, run by both "liberal" and "conservative" executives, are just cockbags?
2013-12-05 09:12:26 AM  
1 votes:
Thank you, conservatives, for making your craziness so easy to spot, and therefore easy to ignore.

Two paragraphs in, I've already seen

-"hippy" (sic)
-"radical"
-"George Soros-funded"
-"Romney's ill-received 47 percent comments "
-"latte liberalism"

Skimming the next couple paragraphs, I see "ACORN" at least a half dozen times...oh, and this!

The very notion of using food stamps to subsidize attempts to smash the eeevil capitalist system would have sent tingles of joy up the spines of Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin.

bevwere.files.wordpress.com

/RIP Mermaid Man :'(
2013-12-05 09:09:39 AM  
1 votes:

BMFPitt: NutWrench: Ok, so what I'm taking away from this article is that Mother Jones is mean because their interns - (unpaid volunteers, for those who STILL don't know what the word "internship" means) are using food stamps to subsidize their "radical transformation of American society."

On the other hand, it's perfectly fine for companies like WalMart and McDonalds to use food stamps to compensate for the shiat wages they pay.

That's some fine cognitive dissonance-ing there, Lou.

I'm sure the editor at MJ was thinking the same thing when he stopped at the intern's desk and dropped off the food stamps application and the writing assignment about WalMart employees on food stamps at the same time.


You're doing it wrong. You're not supposed to include the part you deliberately ignored in the quotation.

0/10
2013-12-05 08:58:15 AM  
1 votes:
FTFA:when community organizer Wade Rathke landed a job at ACORN's parent nonprofit group, he discovered that the National Welfare Rights Organization had no intention of paying him for his work.

I would wager that people believed in ACORN's mission and were therefore willing to donate their time to it.  No one except the Waltons believe in Wal-Mart's mission, and even they don't do it for free.
 
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