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(American Thinker)   Poorly-paid interns at Mother Jones are told to get food stamps, proving that welfare is a subsidy for liberal media, while poorly-paid interns elsewhere are encouraged to get a second job, proving conservatives are job creators   (americanthinker.com) divider line 114
    More: Obvious, Mother Jones, food stamps, liberal media, subsidies, Wade Rathke, welfare, minimum wage law, Alinsky  
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2013-12-05 08:31:37 AM
The hippy-fueled magazine Mother Jones that helped torpedo Mitt Romney's campaign

The GOP torpedoed Mitt Romney campaign.  Anyone who was reading Mother Jones wasn't going to vote for him, ever.
 
2013-12-05 08:41:36 AM
The hippy-fueled magazine

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Also, someone doesn't know what "internship" means.
 
2013-12-05 08:44:59 AM

EvilEgg: The hippy-fueled magazine Mother Jones that helped torpedo Mitt Romney's campaign

The GOP torpedoed Mitt Romney campaign.  Anyone who was reading Mother Jones wasn't going to vote for him, ever.


shhh, don't ruin their blame game. It's always the evil libby libs that torpedo their efforts at freedom-loving freedom to love thy freedom patriots with eagle tears and Jesus (and not that terrible Allan dude) for all
 
2013-12-05 08:50:34 AM
It's always nice to be reminded that simply saying, "Get a job," or pontificating on how  you'd go about fixing the economy if you were President is a form of job creation. Hell, with this logic I became an inventor yesterday when I said, "They really should sell breakfast sandwiches that use Eggos instead of bread."
 
2013-12-05 08:52:31 AM
Ok, so what I'm taking away from this article is that Mother Jones is mean because their interns - (unpaid volunteers, for those who STILL don't know what the word "internship" means) are using food stamps to subsidize their "radical transformation of American society."

On the other hand, it's perfectly fine for companies like WalMart and McDonalds to use food stamps to compensate for the shiat wages they pay.
 
2013-12-05 08:58:15 AM
FTFA:when community organizer Wade Rathke landed a job at ACORN's parent nonprofit group, he discovered that the National Welfare Rights Organization had no intention of paying him for his work.

I would wager that people believed in ACORN's mission and were therefore willing to donate their time to it.  No one except the Waltons believe in Wal-Mart's mission, and even they don't do it for free.
 
2013-12-05 08:59:00 AM
I love that "hippie" can still - unironically - be used as a derogatory term by some people.
 
2013-12-05 09:00:24 AM
What the heck is latte liberalism? All the people I know who drink latte are a bunch of stuffed-shirt conservatives from the suburbs who think that Starbucks is a lifestyle.
 
2013-12-05 09:04:10 AM

skozlaw: What the heck is latte liberalism? All the people I know who drink latte are a bunch of stuffed-shirt conservatives from the suburbs who think that Starbucks is a lifestyle.


i64.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-05 09:04:59 AM
A: Internships suck. THey should be illegal, especially the ones where all that you do is turn into a gofer. I've also seen internships that don't allow you to have a second job. It's a bullshiat practice and needs to go away.

B: That said, although Subby's excellent article makes it sound like American Stinker brought up the existence of internships on the Right, they did no such thing, just went on and on, implying the whole time that only Leftist organizations have such things. So fark American Stinker, the Right has interns in the same percentage, and they don't pay their farking interns either, so AT can eat a dick.
 
2013-12-05 09:05:56 AM

NutWrench: Ok, so what I'm taking away from this article is that Mother Jones is mean because their interns - (unpaid volunteers, for those who STILL don't know what the word "internship" means) are using food stamps to subsidize their "radical transformation of American society."

On the other hand, it's perfectly fine for companies like WalMart and McDonalds to use food stamps to compensate for the shiat wages they pay.


That's some fine cognitive dissonance-ing there, Lou.

I'm sure the editor at MJ was thinking the same thing when he stopped at the intern's desk and dropped off the food stamps application and the writing assignment about WalMart employees on food stamps at the same time.
 
2013-12-05 09:07:37 AM

skozlaw: What the heck is latte liberalism? All the people I know who drink latte are a bunch of stuffed-shirt conservatives from the suburbs who think that Starbucks is a lifestyle.


Yuppy scum are never going to go extinct are they?
 
2013-12-05 09:09:39 AM

BMFPitt: NutWrench: Ok, so what I'm taking away from this article is that Mother Jones is mean because their interns - (unpaid volunteers, for those who STILL don't know what the word "internship" means) are using food stamps to subsidize their "radical transformation of American society."

On the other hand, it's perfectly fine for companies like WalMart and McDonalds to use food stamps to compensate for the shiat wages they pay.

That's some fine cognitive dissonance-ing there, Lou.

I'm sure the editor at MJ was thinking the same thing when he stopped at the intern's desk and dropped off the food stamps application and the writing assignment about WalMart employees on food stamps at the same time.


You're doing it wrong. You're not supposed to include the part you deliberately ignored in the quotation.

0/10
 
2013-12-05 09:12:26 AM
Thank you, conservatives, for making your craziness so easy to spot, and therefore easy to ignore.

Two paragraphs in, I've already seen

-"hippy" (sic)
-"radical"
-"George Soros-funded"
-"Romney's ill-received 47 percent comments "
-"latte liberalism"

Skimming the next couple paragraphs, I see "ACORN" at least a half dozen times...oh, and this!

The very notion of using food stamps to subsidize attempts to smash the eeevil capitalist system would have sent tingles of joy up the spines of Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin.

bevwere.files.wordpress.com

/RIP Mermaid Man :'(
 
2013-12-05 09:14:01 AM
Unpaid internships are pure bullshiat and they need to go the fark away.
 
2013-12-05 09:15:59 AM

EvilEgg: The hippy-fueled magazine Mother Jones that helped torpedo Mitt Romney's campaign

The GOP torpedoed Mitt Romney campaign.  Anyone who was reading Mother Jones wasn't going to vote for him, ever.


MJ, I believe, were the first to publish/publicize video of the infamous "47%" speech, which torpedoed the otherwise-flawless campaign of MIttens the Daring Cat.

You know, because what a presidential candidate says behind closed doors to his richest donors has no bearing on his desire to represent more than just the supposed 47% percent who pay taxes, and we should all just thank our betters for deigning to drop a few Washingtons out of the executive suite into the Treasury every now and again lest our country collapse into a Grecian nightmare of tax evasion and graft.
 
2013-12-05 09:16:21 AM

skozlaw: What the heck is latte liberalism? All the people I know who drink latte are a bunch of stuffed-shirt conservatives from the suburbs who think that Starbucks is a lifestyle.


Sssshhhhh - we're trying to maintain a stereotype here!
 
2013-12-05 09:17:11 AM
Wait, it wasn't long ago we all making fun of english/creative writing/communications majors who were working for free at Gawker, Conde Nast, NY Times, so now we have to feel sorry for them?
 
2013-12-05 09:18:21 AM
Old Mother Jones -  And her socialist crew - Took away - From me and you - I hope she goes far away - She better go far away
 
2013-12-05 09:20:47 AM

Wooly Bully: You're doing it wrong. You're not supposed to include the part you deliberately ignored in the quotation.


If by "ignoring," you mean pointing out.
 
2013-12-05 09:21:23 AM

NutWrench: Ok, so what I'm taking away from this article is that Mother Jones is mean because their interns - (unpaid volunteers, for those who STILL don't know what the word "internship" means) are using food stamps to subsidize their "radical transformation of American society."

On the other hand, it's perfectly fine for companies like WalMart and McDonalds to use food stamps to compensate for the shiat wages they pay.



in this case please note
subsidizing your masters is ok

subsidizing someone complaining about your masters is not
 
2013-12-05 09:23:15 AM
Can we just agree that most businesses in 2013, run by both "liberal" and "conservative" executives, are just cockbags?
 
2013-12-05 09:23:39 AM
Why is everyone assuming that the interns are unpaid? Other articles are showing that they receive a $1000/month stipend. Which, in San Francisco, is practically unpaid, but perhaps the argument should be about why Mother Jones is paying their editorial interns so little.They'll be bumping that to $1500/month, which is barely above the minimum wage in California, but still not enough.
 
2013-12-05 09:24:03 AM

BMFPitt: Wooly Bully: You're doing it wrong. You're not supposed to include the part you deliberately ignored in the quotation.

If by "ignoring," you mean pointing out.


I mean that a skilled troll - which you may some day become if you listen to advice - maintains the illusion that a good point they're ignoring was never made. This has the effect of being extra annoying, which is the whole point of trolling, you see. That illusion is destroyed when you quote the statement you're ignoring.

You're welcome.
 
2013-12-05 09:24:56 AM

quatchi: Unpaid internships are pure bullshiat and they need to go the fark away.


I thought they were already ruled illegal by some court.
 
2013-12-05 09:25:57 AM
By and large, internships are nothing more than modern day slavery.  No person, who is not currently in school, should be working for free as an "intern" and those companies that hire them, with the consideration for their work being experience, are engaging in illegal employment practices.

the whole internship system needs to be blown up.
 
2013-12-05 09:26:20 AM
So do as I say and not as I do?
 
2013-12-05 09:26:59 AM
Heh - not only too stupid to troll properly, but too stupid to realize he has self-pwned when it's POINTED OUT TO HIM.
Now that's some common clay of the New West, right there.
i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-05 09:28:25 AM

sprgrss: By and large, internships are nothing more than modern day slavery.


"Voluntary servitude", but yeah.

// slaves couldn't quit or sue if the boss stared at their ass too long
// slaves also didn't interview or send in a resume for the position
 
2013-12-05 09:40:42 AM
poorly-paid interns elsewhere are encouraged to get a second job, proving conservatives are job slave creators.


i think a 3rd job would be even better.   certainly for the richest 2% any way.   the more blood and sweat the Owners can squeeze out of the dumb american turnip, the better.
 
2013-12-05 09:50:30 AM

sprgrss: By and large, internships are nothing more than modern day slavery.  No person, who is not currently in school, should be working for free as an "intern" and those companies that hire them, with the consideration for their work being experience, are engaging in illegal employment practices.

the whole internship system needs to be blown up.


You apparently know quite little about slavery.
 
2013-12-05 09:53:11 AM
And conservatives have Google on their side.

Google Funding a Slew of Right-Wing Groups

American Conservative Union
Americans for Tax Reform
CATO Institute
Federalist Society
George Mason University Law School Law and Economics Center
Heritage Action
Mercatus Center
National Taxpayers Union
R Street Institute
Texas Public Policy Foundation
 
2013-12-05 09:55:08 AM

Mikey1969: A: Internships suck. THey should be illegal, especially the ones where all that you do is turn into a gofer. I've also seen internships that don't allow you to have a second job. It's a bullshiat practice and needs to go away.


Meh, not always.  I interned at a major company this summer, and I liked it.  I was paid very well, did real work, AND walked away with a full-time offer at the end for when I finish school.  Not a bad deal overall.

That said, I know there's plenty of employers where internships are borderline abusive/slavery.  There's a real value to GOOD internships, though, so I would say that they need to be much more tightly regulated rather than done away with entirely.
 
2013-12-05 09:55:26 AM

INeedAName: sprgrss: By and large, internships are nothing more than modern day slavery.  No person, who is not currently in school, should be working for free as an "intern" and those companies that hire them, with the consideration for their work being experience, are engaging in illegal employment practices.

the whole internship system needs to be blown up.

You apparently know quite little about slavery.


The idea that it's voluntary suggests that there's some sort of alternative to not getting paid as a precondition to getting paid in the future.

//Every company with more than 50 employees should be mandated to have 10% paid with 2 or fewer years of experience.  No joke.
 
2013-12-05 09:55:51 AM

EvilEgg: The hippy-fueled magazine Mother Jones that helped torpedo Mitt Romney's campaign

The GOP torpedoed Mitt Romney campaign.  Anyone who was reading Mother Jones wasn't going to vote for him, ever.


So are they saying that hippies are not only still relevant, but are powerful enough to sabotage an otherwise strong presidential campaign?
 
2013-12-05 09:56:37 AM
one time anecdote
no reference - long time ago

it was once thought that if the masses but had the chance
of a decent life
what wonders we would see

didnt happen - doesnt matter
now we return to normal
 
2013-12-05 09:56:57 AM

EvilEgg: The hippy-fueled magazine Mother Jones that helped torpedo Mitt Romney's campaign

The GOP torpedoed Mitt Romney campaign.  Anyone who was reading Mother Jones wasn't going to vote for him, ever.


One thing I really hate about media is how up its own ass it tends to be. No just because I read something online or in a magazine or a newspaper doesn't mean I believe it or otherwise internalize what you're spewing at me.

And with that said "this" about the MJ readership and how inevitable Romney's defeat really was.
 
2013-12-05 09:58:48 AM

Bareefer Obonghit: It's always nice to be reminded that simply saying, "Get a job," or pontificating on how  you'd go about fixing the economy if you were President is a form of job creation. Hell, with this logic I became an inventor yesterday when I said, "They really should sell breakfast sandwiches that use Eggos instead of bread."


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2013-12-05 09:59:44 AM
How does encouraging someone to get a second job create more jobs?

Jobs at job-search websites?
 
2013-12-05 09:59:57 AM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Why is everyone assuming that the interns are unpaid? Other articles are showing that they receive a $1000/month stipend. Which, in San Francisco, is practically unpaid, but perhaps the argument should be about why Mother Jones is paying their editorial interns so little.They'll be bumping that to $1500/month, which is barely above the minimum wage in California, but still not enough.


Intern ships are a very tricky thing, but I believe they can be useful, even unpaid ones, in the right industry. Journalism is one of those industries. You do a lot of copywriting biatch work, but it's a way to make connections and get those first bylines, and an internship at a major publication can be the inroads you need into a job. I had a nearly unpaid internship in San Francisco at a computer magazine (they gave me low freelance rates, about $400/month), but it actually WAS valuable to my career.

The problem with unpaid internships is when they're used for little more than clerks and there is no intention to give them a valuable experience related to the field they want to get into. It's also not something taken for long-term, or even something usually taken when you're out of college. My internship was between junior and senior years. Internships can be abused, but they can also be really useful.
 
2013-12-05 10:07:41 AM
American Thinker v. Mother Jones.

Not since Bud v. Bud Lite have the stakes been so high.
 
2013-12-05 10:08:01 AM

HMS_Blinkin: Mikey1969: A: Internships suck. THey should be illegal, especially the ones where all that you do is turn into a gofer. I've also seen internships that don't allow you to have a second job. It's a bullshiat practice and needs to go away.

Meh, not always.  I interned at a major company this summer, and I liked it.  I was paid very well, did real work, AND walked away with a full-time offer at the end for when I finish school.  Not a bad deal overall.

That said, I know there's plenty of employers where internships are borderline abusive/slavery.  There's a real value to GOOD internships, though, so I would say that they need to be much more tightly regulated rather than done away with entirely.


Yeah, i realized I left out the word "unpaid" before internships. I know that there are good stories, but they're the majority. i still should have mentioned that they DO exist... I just think that the bad outweighs the good by SO far that they serve no purpose. If someone wants to hire someone fresh out of college to get experience in the field, they can hire them like a normal employee , IMHO. But yeah, the worst one I heard was a girl who was interning on a teaching degree, and however the thing was set up, she couldn't work a second job the entire time, and it would also be an unpaid internship, so she had to save up an entire year's worth of living costs...

But like I said, you're right, there are definitely some times where they work out well, I just wish that was the norm, rather than the exception to the rule.
 
2013-12-05 10:09:37 AM
Where are interns well paid?

I mean...ANYwhere?
 
2013-12-05 10:14:21 AM

The Lone Gunman: Where are interns well paid?

I mean...ANYwhere?


I made $11/hr as an intern...in 2005. Got hired full-time a year later for about 35-40 grand. Of course, at the same time, I was an unpaid intern at a radio station for $0/hr and 0 college credit (I actually had to sign up for a noncredit class in order to get the internship) - but they paid for breakfast.

// and I got to meet Kevin Nealon and Alex Ovechkin and Shavo Odadjian and Darren Malakian and half the cast of X3
// and no job in broadcasting :(
 
2013-12-05 10:17:08 AM

neversubmit: And conservatives have Google on their side.

Google Funding a Slew of Right-Wing Groups

American Conservative Union
Americans for Tax Reform
CATO Institute
Federalist Society
George Mason University Law School Law and Economics Center
Heritage Action
Mercatus Center
National Taxpayers Union
R Street Institute
Texas Public Policy Foundation


Wait, why would something called the Federalist Society be a conservative group?

(Googles)

Oh... It's another one of those conservative organizations that is just the opposite of what it's called. Like the ones with "reform" or "family" in their names.
 
2013-12-05 10:25:29 AM

Mikey1969: But yeah, the worst one I heard was a girl who was interning on a teaching degree, and however the thing was set up, she couldn't work a second job the entire time, and it would also be an unpaid internship, so she had to save up an entire year's worth of living costs...


Damn, that SUCKS.  I've definitely heard those horror stories before---and it's why I think there needs to be some kind of regulation in place.  My university (Michigan) takes some care to "blacklist" employers that do that kind of shiat and bar them from recruiting on campus.  That said, universities that aren't really big and reputable don't have that kind of pull with employers and/or don't have the resources to investigate and enforce that sort of thing.  And there are also interns who aren't active students and thus don't have any protection like that.

I really think that internships need to be regulated in some way, in order to make sure that interns are reasonably protected.

Anyway, I don't understand the logic of companies that just make interns be useless gofers.  My company over the summer explicitly said "we want to give you real work so that you can actually earn your keep AND we can evaluate you as a possible future employee."  They realized that it would be a huge waste of their time and money to have us doing non-meaningful work.  Again, I think I might have just been lucky to get a nice employer though, given the horror stories you hear about internships out there.
 
2013-12-05 10:27:40 AM
FTA: The article cites the discredited Keynesian "multiplier" effect, arguing that every $5 in food stamps generates $9 in economic activity.

You'd think they would mention this with a citation, but then again it's American Thinker.
 
2013-12-05 10:39:17 AM

Almost Everybody Poops: FTA: The article cites the discredited Keynesian "multiplier" effect, arguing that every $5 in food stamps generates $9 in economic activity.

You'd think they would mention this with a citation, but then again it's American Thinker.


Haven't you noticed that "discredited" means "doesn't rampantly reinforce my biases" to teabaggers?  Have you never noticed that?


That's exactly what they mean when they say it.  "Discredited idea critical thinking" is a phrase I've heard come out of someone's mouth before.
 
2013-12-05 10:39:26 AM
HMS_Blinkin: My company over the summer explicitly said "we want to give you real work so that you can actually earn your keep AND we can evaluate you as a possible future employee."  They realized that it would be a huge waste of their time and money to have us doing non-meaningful work.

And that's really how they're SUPPOSED to work... And some of them do, as you've shown. My stepson is going to be going to a Tech School for a welding degree(Apparently a pretty well regarded tech school), but I've kind of warned him about internships, while explaining that they aren't ALL horror stories, so hopefully he won't commit to anything without running it by us to get our opinion on it. I've never understood how companies can justify the gofer position either, it STILL costs them money, they really should be using the whole thing correctly. It's like when I PA'd on a movie when I was in school. I got to watch how a movie actually worked, but I didn't really do anything but try and keep people from entering the set from one direction once, and sit and bullshiat with Colin Farrell and Matt Frewer... Kinda fun, but not really "experience". I'd done more filmmaking in school.
 
2013-12-05 10:51:47 AM

clkeagle: neversubmit: And conservatives have Google on their side.

Google Funding a Slew of Right-Wing Groups

American Conservative Union
Americans for Tax Reform
CATO Institute
Federalist Society
George Mason University Law School Law and Economics Center
Heritage Action
Mercatus Center
National Taxpayers Union
R Street Institute
Texas Public Policy Foundation

Wait, why would something called the Federalist Society be a conservative group?

(Googles)

Oh... It's another one of those conservative organizations that is just the opposite of what it's called. Like the ones with "reform" or "family" in their names.


Or "Thinker"
 
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