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2013-12-05 12:45:34 PM

MFK: oh fark you.

 
2013-12-05 12:49:14 PM

Bendal: If ALEC is "totally legislator driven" as their spokesman claimed, then how did several states last year nearly simultaneously introduce and pass virtually the same bills on voter suppression, abortion restrictions, resource extraction, relaxation of concealed carry laws, tax breaks for the rich, anti-gay marriage, and anti-public education?

ALEC is scrambling to cover their tracks before the IRS comes down on them with a hammer.


That's totally plausible...unless, of course, the legislator forgets to take ALEC's mission statement off the bill
 
2013-12-05 12:56:16 PM
It was discovered in Florida -- when Republican State Representative Rachel Burgin introduced legislation in the state House back in November that -- oops -- still included ALEC's mission statement at the top of the bill, reading: "Whereas it is the mission of the American Legislative Exchange Council to advance Jeffersonian principles..."


lol take off your tinfoil hats, libtardatron 3000s
 
2013-12-05 12:59:02 PM

WI241TH: That's totally plausible...unless, of course, the legislator forgets to take ALEC's mission statement off the bill


I'm kind of depressed about that.  Generally, that would be an "Aha!" moment for anyone who's asserting the corporations are killing the US by subverting the role of gov't... but it's been so obvious for so long that this has been going on it's not even a surprise.
 
2013-12-05 01:00:59 PM

karnal: [fc09.deviantart.net image 850x555]


You know, there's a reason your teachers hammered in the need for citations. It helps the rest of us know if you pulled those statistics from your ass or not, and when you  don't have citations...well, I can see a bit of brown on the edge of that image, if you catch my drift.
 
2013-12-05 01:03:35 PM

Diogenes: Among the ALEC documents obtained by the Guardian: a draft loyalty oath for legislators who serve as the group's state chairs, declaring that "I will act with care and loyalty and put the interests of the organization first."

That's about all you need to know.  And any legislator who signed that should be removed from their job.


And people think I'm being hyperbolic when I suggest the US is in the middle of a totalitarian movement a la the Nazis.

/charismatic leader. Willy-nilly enforcement of rules that grabs innocents as well as guilty, is all that's left. There's the oath of loyalty. We already have the propaganda. What else do people need to see?
 
2013-12-05 01:04:13 PM

Jackson Herring: It was discovered in Florida -- when Republican State Representative Rachel Burgin introduced legislation in the state House back in November that -- oops -- still included ALEC's mission statement at the top of the bill, reading: "Whereas it is the mission of the American Legislative Exchange Council to advance Jeffersonian principles..."


lol take off your tinfoil hats, libtardatron 3000s


Jefferson? The agrarian, anti-industrial Jefferson? That guy?
 
2013-12-05 01:06:14 PM

A Cave Geek: [imgs.xkcd.com image 381x324]

Had to....


Glad you did. Had not seen that one, yet.  Thought of Austin Powers...

/wanders away from thread to watch clips

//for the low, low price of just one billion, trillion dollars
 
2013-12-05 01:07:02 PM

Peki: Diogenes: Among the ALEC documents obtained by the Guardian: a draft loyalty oath for legislators who serve as the group's state chairs, declaring that "I will act with care and loyalty and put the interests of the organization first."

That's about all you need to know.  And any legislator who signed that should be removed from their job.

And people think I'm being hyperbolic when I suggest the US is in the middle of a totalitarian movement a la the Nazis.

/charismatic leader. Willy-nilly enforcement of rules that grabs innocents as well as guilty, is all that's left. There's the oath of loyalty. We already have the propaganda. What else do people need to see?


Well, for starters, we haven't had a good genocide around here in quite some time.
 
2013-12-05 01:10:09 PM

BMulligan: Jefferson? The agrarian, anti-industrial Jefferson? That guy?


"jeffersonian"
 
2013-12-05 01:11:20 PM

BMulligan: Peki: Diogenes: Among the ALEC documents obtained by the Guardian: a draft loyalty oath for legislators who serve as the group's state chairs, declaring that "I will act with care and loyalty and put the interests of the organization first."

That's about all you need to know.  And any legislator who signed that should be removed from their job.

And people think I'm being hyperbolic when I suggest the US is in the middle of a totalitarian movement a la the Nazis.

/charismatic leader. Willy-nilly enforcement of rules that grabs innocents as well as guilty, is all that's left. There's the oath of loyalty. We already have the propaganda. What else do people need to see?

Well, for starters, we haven't had a good genocide around here in quite some time.


We killed 50 million uncivilised savages to get this country. We need to think about doing that again.
 
2013-12-05 01:14:04 PM

Jackson Herring: BMulligan: Jefferson? The agrarian, anti-industrial Jefferson? That guy?

"jeffersonian"


Perhaps they mean George Jefferson? He moved on up to the East Side - that sounds pretty bootstrappy.
 
2013-12-05 01:16:46 PM

Tigger: BMulligan: Peki: Diogenes: Among the ALEC documents obtained by the Guardian: a draft loyalty oath for legislators who serve as the group's state chairs, declaring that "I will act with care and loyalty and put the interests of the organization first."

That's about all you need to know.  And any legislator who signed that should be removed from their job.

And people think I'm being hyperbolic when I suggest the US is in the middle of a totalitarian movement a la the Nazis.

/charismatic leader. Willy-nilly enforcement of rules that grabs innocents as well as guilty, is all that's left. There's the oath of loyalty. We already have the propaganda. What else do people need to see?

Well, for starters, we haven't had a good genocide around here in quite some time.

We killed 50 million uncivilised savages to get this country. We need to think about doing that again.


I don't like Teabaggers either, but I don't advocate killiing them.
 
2013-12-05 01:17:15 PM

Headso: karnal: Headso: MFK: karnal: Mentat: karnal: Yeah, yeah yeah......and the first moon landing was faked by Kubrick and Obama was secretly born in Africa. I've heard them all.

You do understand what Citizen's United was all about, right?


Seeks to reassert the traditional American values of limited government, freedom of enterprise, strong families, and national sovereignty.

oh fark you.

meh, he's down to being intentionally obtuse, he's got nothin and has lost the argument.

Argument ended when he replied "oh fark you."

notice how that was after you were intentionally obtuse?


Yes - I did notice that.
 
2013-12-05 01:23:40 PM

mrEdude: i think it's time that a million armed americans stormed wall street and kill anything that moves.

Burn the deadwood, make room for actual growth.


Wait, so the leftists who hate Wall Street are now pro-gun? And pro coup?
 
2013-12-05 01:25:07 PM

Wendy's Chili: Now ALEC is trying to make people with solar panels pay penalties for producing surplus energy.

Link


Trying?  APS and SRP in Phoenix are already charging people with solar panels a fee.

The pure, unadulterated greed is sickening.
 
2013-12-05 01:25:56 PM

BMulligan: Jackson Herring: It was discovered in Florida -- when Republican State Representative Rachel Burgin introduced legislation in the state House back in November that -- oops -- still included ALEC's mission statement at the top of the bill, reading: "Whereas it is the mission of the American Legislative Exchange Council to advance Jeffersonian principles..."


lol take off your tinfoil hats, libtardatron 3000s

Jefferson? The agrarian, anti-industrial Jefferson? That guy?

George

Jeffersonian principles. Quality dry cleaning at a fair price.
 
2013-12-05 01:31:56 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Linux_Yes: mrEdude: i think it's time that a million armed americans stormed wall street and kill anything that moves.

Burn the deadwood, make room for actual growth.


you have to get past their tax paid for police first.   ironic, since wall streeters claim to hate socialism.

A massive police force you say? I'm pretty sure thats why suicide bombers were invented.

Any volunteers? Anyone?
Hello? Beuller?


Oh, that wouldn't be necessary. Just imagine if the Beltway Snipers had targeted Fortune 500 executives. Nothing will change until the 1% experience the same fear and pain that the little people have to put up with.
 
2013-12-05 01:35:54 PM

mrEdude: i think it's time that a million armed americans stormed wall street and kill anything that moves.

Burn the deadwood, make room for actual growth.


Yes, we'll un-fu*ck them

i885.photobucket.com.
 
2013-12-05 01:36:35 PM

Peki: Diogenes: Among the ALEC documents obtained by the Guardian: a draft loyalty oath for legislators who serve as the group's state chairs, declaring that "I will act with care and loyalty and put the interests of the organization first."

That's about all you need to know.  And any legislator who signed that should be removed from their job.

And people think I'm being hyperbolic when I suggest the US is in the middle of a totalitarian movement a la the Nazis.

/charismatic leader. Willy-nilly enforcement of rules that grabs innocents as well as guilty, is all that's left. There's the oath of loyalty. We already have the propaganda. What else do people need to see?


I don't think we're in the middle of a totalitarian movement yet, but wouldn't take much to push the right-wing crazies over the edge. The charismatic leader you mention could do it, or some sort of prolonged national crisis.
 
2013-12-05 01:43:30 PM

Jackson Herring: It was discovered in Florida -- when Republican State Representative Rachel Burgin introduced legislation in the state House back in November that -- oops -- still included ALEC's mission statement at the top of the bill, reading: "Whereas it is the mission of the American Legislative Exchange Council to advance Jeffersonian principles..."


lol take off your tinfoil hats, libtardatron 3000s



Yeah, it's not paranoia to say shadowy right-wing groups are controlling the GOP representatives we elect when they're using the damn letterhead!
 
2013-12-05 01:44:33 PM

Hobodeluxe: the govt

Conservative elected officials and big business collude to steal from us. film at 11

the govt
Conservative elected officials is are more than happy to let them rob us blind,use us as guinea pigs,poison us etc. as long as they get their cut.

last night's Daily show had a couple of great examples of this collusion on it.


FTFY.

"The govt" is "we, the people."

Unfortunately, "we, the people," keep electing corrupt right-wing dickbags 'cause 'Murica!!!
 
2013-12-05 01:48:37 PM

Diogenes: Among the ALEC documents obtained by the Guardian: a draft loyalty oath for legislators who serve as the group's state chairs, declaring that "I will act with care and loyalty and put the interests of the organization first."

That's about all you need to know.  And any legislator who signed that should be removed from their job.


So much for a representative government.
 
2013-12-05 01:54:40 PM

jjorsett: BMulligan: Jackson Herring: It was discovered in Florida -- when Republican State Representative Rachel Burgin introduced legislation in the state House back in November that -- oops -- still included ALEC's mission statement at the top of the bill, reading: "Whereas it is the mission of the American Legislative Exchange Council to advance Jeffersonian principles..."


lol take off your tinfoil hats, libtardatron 3000s

Jefferson? The agrarian, anti-industrial Jefferson? That guy?

George Jeffersonian principles. Quality dry cleaning at a fair price.


We don't usually agree, but I have to say that was pretty damn clever.
 
2013-12-05 01:59:00 PM

mongbiohazard: Jackson Herring: It was discovered in Florida -- when Republican State Representative Rachel Burgin introduced legislation in the state House back in November that -- oops -- still included ALEC's mission statement at the top of the bill, reading: "Whereas it is the mission of the American Legislative Exchange Council to advance Jeffersonian principles..."


lol take off your tinfoil hats, libtardatron 3000s


Yeah, it's not paranoia to say shadowy right-wing groups are controlling the GOP representatives we elect when they're using the damn letterhead!



Much like when a confidential memo from the shadow group called Blueprint NC. was leaked that revealed their plan to attack North Carolina's governor and other conservative leaders.
 
MFK
2013-12-05 02:10:00 PM

karnal: mongbiohazard: Jackson Herring: It was discovered in Florida -- when Republican State Representative Rachel Burgin introduced legislation in the state House back in November that -- oops -- still included ALEC's mission statement at the top of the bill, reading: "Whereas it is the mission of the American Legislative Exchange Council to advance Jeffersonian principles..."


lol take off your tinfoil hats, libtardatron 3000s


Yeah, it's not paranoia to say shadowy right-wing groups are controlling the GOP representatives we elect when they're using the damn letterhead!


Much like when a confidential memo from the shadow group called Blueprint NC. was leaked that revealed their plan to attack North Carolina's governor and other conservative leaders.


About Us
Blueprint North Carolina is a partnership of more than 50 different local organizations. Our goal is to influence NC state policy so that people here benefit from more progressive policies such as better access to health care, higher wages, more affordable housing, a safer, cleaner environment, and freedom from discrimination.

god you suck at this.
 
2013-12-05 02:20:32 PM

qorkfiend: Peki: Diogenes: Among the ALEC documents obtained by the Guardian: a draft loyalty oath for legislators who serve as the group's state chairs, declaring that "I will act with care and loyalty and put the interests of the organization first."

That's about all you need to know.  And any legislator who signed that should be removed from their job.

And people think I'm being hyperbolic when I suggest the US is in the middle of a totalitarian movement a la the Nazis.

/charismatic leader. Willy-nilly enforcement of rules that grabs innocents as well as guilty, is all that's left. There's the oath of loyalty. We already have the propaganda. What else do people need to see?

I don't think we're in the middle of a totalitarian movement yet, but wouldn't take much to push the right-wing crazies over the edge. The charismatic leader you mention could do it, or some sort of prolonged national crisis.


Precisely why good lefties should not eschew gun ownership. When chaos and crisis come again, it can't be that the fascists and their Teabagging brownshirts are the only ones with guns, lest we all relive Wiemar Germany under a new Dührper.
 
2013-12-05 02:23:03 PM

maxheck: jjorsett: BMulligan: Jackson Herring: It was discovered in Florida -- when Republican State Representative Rachel Burgin introduced legislation in the state House back in November that -- oops -- still included ALEC's mission statement at the top of the bill, reading: "Whereas it is the mission of the American Legislative Exchange Council to advance Jeffersonian principles..."

lol take off your tinfoil hats, libtardatron 3000s

Jefferson? The agrarian, anti-industrial Jefferson? That guy?

George Jeffersonian principles. Quality dry cleaning at a fair price.

We don't usually agree, but I have to say that was pretty damn clever.


Area ALEC Passionate Defenders of What They Imagine Jefferson to have Been.
 
2013-12-05 02:29:50 PM

MFK: karnal: mongbiohazard: Jackson Herring: It was discovered in Florida -- when Republican State Representative Rachel Burgin introduced legislation in the state House back in November that -- oops -- still included ALEC's mission statement at the top of the bill, reading: "Whereas it is the mission of the American Legislative Exchange Council to advance Jeffersonian principles..."


lol take off your tinfoil hats, libtardatron 3000s


Yeah, it's not paranoia to say shadowy right-wing groups are controlling the GOP representatives we elect when they're using the damn letterhead!


Much like when a confidential memo from the shadow group called Blueprint NC. was leaked that revealed their plan to attack North Carolina's governor and other conservative leaders.

About Us
Blueprint North Carolina is a partnership of more than 50 different local organizations. Our goal is to influence NC state policy so that people here benefit from more progressive policies such as better access to health care, higher wages, more affordable housing, a safer, cleaner environment, and freedom from discrimination.

god you suck at this.


He really, really does.

You know, any time I end up finding myself repeatedly citing shiat that turns out at every turn to be some kind of obvious falsehood or misrepresentation I seriously rethink my position and re-evaluate the source which is providing me such poor information. That's a large part of how my personal politics have grown over the years to what they are today, and why I quit the GOP.

I wonder if karnal will be able to re-examine himself and his own sources similarly. In my experience few people - sadly - seem to be capable of that kind willingness to admit when they're probably wrong and be honest with themselves going forward, and even less when their starting position is on the right.
 
2013-12-05 02:36:24 PM

mongbiohazard: MFK: karnal: mongbiohazard: Jackson Herring: It was discovered in Florida -- when Republican State Representative Rachel Burgin introduced legislation in the state House back in November that -- oops -- still included ALEC's mission statement at the top of the bill, reading: "Whereas it is the mission of the American Legislative Exchange Council to advance Jeffersonian principles..."


lol take off your tinfoil hats, libtardatron 3000s


Yeah, it's not paranoia to say shadowy right-wing groups are controlling the GOP representatives we elect when they're using the damn letterhead!


Much like when a confidential memo from the shadow group called Blueprint NC. was leaked that revealed their plan to attack North Carolina's governor and other conservative leaders.

About Us
Blueprint North Carolina is a partnership of more than 50 different local organizations. Our goal is to influence NC state policy so that people here benefit from more progressive policies such as better access to health care, higher wages, more affordable housing, a safer, cleaner environment, and freedom from discrimination.

god you suck at this.

He really, really does.

You know, any time I end up finding myself repeatedly citing shiat that turns out at every turn to be some kind of obvious falsehood or misrepresentation I seriously rethink my position and re-evaluate the source which is providing me such poor information. That's a large part of how my personal politics have grown over the years to what they are today, and why I quit the GOP.

I wonder if karnal will be able to re-examine himself and his own sources similarly. In my experience few people - sadly - seem to be capable of that kind willingness to admit when they're probably wrong and be honest with themselves going forward, and even less when their starting position is on the right.



I'm wrong a lot - but not about Blueprint
 
2013-12-05 02:52:25 PM

karnal: I'm wrong a lot - but not about Blueprint


From that site's about page...

We investigate the aims and activities of left-liberal special interest groups.  We research their sources of funding and profile their donors.  We examine how they operate and analyze their impact on our politics and society.

Do you even understand what you are complaining about?
 
2013-12-05 03:00:05 PM

JusticeandIndependence: karnal: I'm wrong a lot - but not about Blueprint

From that site's about page...

We investigate the aims and activities of left-liberal special interest groups.  We research their sources of funding and profile their donors.  We examine how they operate and analyze their impact on our politics and society.

Do you even understand what you are complaining about?


How does that make Blueprint not a shadow group?  Your use of misdirection is just a form of deception.
 
2013-12-05 03:06:01 PM

karnal: How does that make Blueprint not a shadow group?  Your use of misdirection is just a form of deception.


Just because a super right wing supposedly "independent" group calls Blueprint a  Shadow Network: A leaked strategy memo reveals a powerful, and partisan, network of left-wing nonprofits doesn't mean it's true.

Basically I'm calling B.S. on your source.
 
2013-12-05 03:14:58 PM

JusticeandIndependence: karnal: How does that make Blueprint not a shadow group?  Your use of misdirection is just a form of deception.

Just because a super right wing supposedly "independent" group calls Blueprint a  Shadow Network: A leaked strategy memo reveals a powerful, and partisan, network of left-wing nonprofits doesn't mean it's true.

Basically I'm calling B.S. on your source.


Well then, here is the original site to run the article.....have at it.  ------->Observer
 
2013-12-05 03:25:50 PM

karnal: JusticeandIndependence: karnal: How does that make Blueprint not a shadow group?  Your use of misdirection is just a form of deception.

Just because a super right wing supposedly "independent" group calls Blueprint a  Shadow Network: A leaked strategy memo reveals a powerful, and partisan, network of left-wing nonprofits doesn't mean it's true.

Basically I'm calling B.S. on your source.

Well then, here is the original site to run the article.....have at it.  ------->Observer


So then a liberal group is trying to do to McCrory what the Plutocrat Party has been doing to Obama for five years now.  But IOKIYAR, right?
 
2013-12-05 03:35:20 PM

karnal: JusticeandIndependence: karnal: How does that make Blueprint not a shadow group?  Your use of misdirection is just a form of deception.

Just because a super right wing supposedly "independent" group calls Blueprint a  Shadow Network: A leaked strategy memo reveals a powerful, and partisan, network of left-wing nonprofits doesn't mean it's true.

Basically I'm calling B.S. on your source.

Well then, here is the original site to run the article.....have at it.  ------->Observer


Yes and?

He said the group, which acts as a "back office" to other nonprofits, isn't trying to influence an election. "Office holders, not office seekers," he said, "are fair game.

How is that "shadow" group different than the Capital Research Center?

From Capital Research's site...
We investigate the aims and activities of left-liberal special interest groups.  We research their sources of funding and profile their donors.  We examine how they operate and analyze their impact on our politics and society.
From the same farking statement.....
CRC is an independent, tax-exempt institution governed by an independent board of trustees.



What exactly are you complaining about?
 
2013-12-05 03:50:05 PM

mongbiohazard: Yeah, it's not paranoia to say shadowy right-wing groups are controlling the GOP representatives we elect when they're using the damn letterhead!


There's some pretty massive projection going on.  The other day in one of these threads, someone was joking about liberal conspiracy theories about the GOP trying to gut the Voting Rights Act.  It's not a conspiracy theory when the conservative faction of the Supreme Court GUTS THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT!
 
2013-12-05 03:50:24 PM

JusticeandIndependence: karnal: JusticeandIndependence: karnal: How does that make Blueprint not a shadow group?  Your use of misdirection is just a form of deception.

Just because a super right wing supposedly "independent" group calls Blueprint a  Shadow Network: A leaked strategy memo reveals a powerful, and partisan, network of left-wing nonprofits doesn't mean it's true.

Basically I'm calling B.S. on your source.

Well then, here is the original site to run the article.....have at it.  ------->Observer

Yes and?

He said the group, which acts as a "back office" to other nonprofits, isn't trying to influence an election. "Office holders, not office seekers," he said, "are fair game.

How is that "shadow" group different than the Capital Research Center?

From Capital Research's site...
We investigate the aims and activities of left-liberal special interest groups.  We research their sources of funding and profile their donors.  We examine how they operate and analyze their impact on our politics and society.
From the same farking statement.....
CRC is an independent, tax-exempt institution governed by an independent board of trustees.


What exactly are you complaining about?



Not so much complaining than trying to show that the Koch Bros are not the only shadow group in town.....and that both sides have their own groups trying to promote their agenda.

Basically, it is the agenda that we don't agree on.
 
2013-12-05 03:50:27 PM
COMALite J:

maxheck: jjorsett: BMulligan: Jackson Herring: It was discovered in Florida -- when Republican State Representative Rachel Burgin introduced legislation in the state House back in November that -- oops -- still included ALEC's mission statement at the top of the bill, reading: "Whereas it is the mission of the American Legislative Exchange Council to advance Jeffersonian principles..."

lol take off your tinfoil hats, libtardatron 3000s

Jefferson? The agrarian, anti-industrial Jefferson? That guy?

George Jeffersonian principles. Quality dry cleaning at a fair price.

We don't usually agree, but I have to say that was pretty damn clever.

Area ALEC Passionate Defenders of What They Imagine Jefferson to have Been.


Gonna take a wild stab here and guess you're kinda young. :)

The Jeffersons (and Norman Lear) sort of embodied everything ALEC hates, come to think of it. The entire 70's.
 
MFK
2013-12-05 03:55:20 PM

karnal: JusticeandIndependence: karnal: I'm wrong a lot - but not about Blueprint

From that site's about page...

We investigate the aims and activities of left-liberal special interest groups.  We research their sources of funding and profile their donors.  We examine how they operate and analyze their impact on our politics and society.

Do you even understand what you are complaining about?

How does that make Blueprint not a shadow group?  Your use of misdirection is just a form of deception.


because they are OPEN about their goals of INFLUENCING POLICY IN NC.
 
2013-12-05 03:58:50 PM

karnal: and that both sides have their own groups trying to promote their agenda.


And you just happen to use a super right wing agenda group to show how bad the left is?

Weird.
 
2013-12-05 04:01:02 PM

karnal: mongbiohazard: MFK: karnal: mongbiohazard: Jackson Herring: It was discovered in Florida -- when Republican State Representative Rachel Burgin introduced legislation in the state House back in November that -- oops -- still included ALEC's mission statement at the top of the bill, reading: "Whereas it is the mission of the American Legislative Exchange Council to advance Jeffersonian principles..."


lol take off your tinfoil hats, libtardatron 3000s


Yeah, it's not paranoia to say shadowy right-wing groups are controlling the GOP representatives we elect when they're using the damn letterhead!


Much like when a confidential memo from the shadow group called Blueprint NC. was leaked that revealed their plan to attack North Carolina's governor and other conservative leaders.

About Us
Blueprint North Carolina is a partnership of more than 50 different local organizations. Our goal is to influence NC state policy so that people here benefit from more progressive policies such as better access to health care, higher wages, more affordable housing, a safer, cleaner environment, and freedom from discrimination.

god you suck at this.

He really, really does.

You know, any time I end up finding myself repeatedly citing shiat that turns out at every turn to be some kind of obvious falsehood or misrepresentation I seriously rethink my position and re-evaluate the source which is providing me such poor information. That's a large part of how my personal politics have grown over the years to what they are today, and why I quit the GOP.

I wonder if karnal will be able to re-examine himself and his own sources similarly. In my experience few people - sadly - seem to be capable of that kind willingness to admit when they're probably wrong and be honest with themselves going forward, and even less when their starting position is on the right.


I'm wrong a lot - but not about Blueprint


The chicken is begging for death now. It has suffered so much at your hands it actually learned to croak out the one phrase: "Please kill me, end my suffering." So stop farking that chicken already.
 
2013-12-05 04:14:04 PM

mongbiohazard: karnal: mongbiohazard: MFK: karnal: mongbiohazard: Jackson Herring: It was discovered in Florida -- when Republican State Representative Rachel Burgin introduced legislation in the state House back in November that -- oops -- still included ALEC's mission statement at the top of the bill, reading: "Whereas it is the mission of the American Legislative Exchange Council to advance Jeffersonian principles..."


lol take off your tinfoil hats, libtardatron 3000s


Yeah, it's not paranoia to say shadowy right-wing groups are controlling the GOP representatives we elect when they're using the damn letterhead!


Much like when a confidential memo from the shadow group called Blueprint NC. was leaked that revealed their plan to attack North Carolina's governor and other conservative leaders.

About Us
Blueprint North Carolina is a partnership of more than 50 different local organizations. Our goal is to influence NC state policy so that people here benefit from more progressive policies such as better access to health care, higher wages, more affordable housing, a safer, cleaner environment, and freedom from discrimination.

god you suck at this.

He really, really does.

You know, any time I end up finding myself repeatedly citing shiat that turns out at every turn to be some kind of obvious falsehood or misrepresentation I seriously rethink my position and re-evaluate the source which is providing me such poor information. That's a large part of how my personal politics have grown over the years to what they are today, and why I quit the GOP.

I wonder if karnal will be able to re-examine himself and his own sources similarly. In my experience few people - sadly - seem to be capable of that kind willingness to admit when they're probably wrong and be honest with themselves going forward, and even less when their starting position is on the right.


I'm wrong a lot - but not about Blueprint

The chicken is begging for death now. It has suffered so much at your hands it

actually learned to croak out the one phrase: "Please kill me, end my suffering." So stop farking that chicken already.

Obviously, you have never farked a chicken....you just can't stop.
 
2013-12-05 04:35:32 PM
karnal: ...Basically, it is the agenda that we don't agree on.

And this statement alone, of all the pants-on-head stupid shiat you said in this thread, this would be the cherry on top.

10/10 you masterful crunkbucket.
 
2013-12-05 05:34:44 PM

maxheck: COMALite J:

maxheck: jjorsett: BMulligan: Jackson Herring: It was discovered in Florida -- when Republican State Representative Rachel Burgin introduced legislation in the state House back in November that -- oops -- still included ALEC's mission statement at the top of the bill, reading: "Whereas it is the mission of the American Legislative Exchange Council to advance Jeffersonian principles..."

lol take off your tinfoil hats, libtardatron 3000s

Jefferson? The agrarian, anti-industrial Jefferson? That guy?

George Jeffersonian principles. Quality dry cleaning at a fair price.

We don't usually agree, but I have to say that was pretty damn clever.

Area ALEC Passionate Defenders of What They Imagine Jefferson to have Been.

Gonna take a wild stab here and guess you're kinda young. :)

The Jeffersons (and Norman Lear) sort of embodied everything ALEC hates, come to think of it. The entire 70's.


I was actually parodying a The Onion article wrt ALEC's mission statement. It had nothing to do with George Jefferson (I used to watch Norman Lear's sitcoms avidly when they first ran, and was an adult at the time).

/GOML
 
2013-12-05 06:22:13 PM
maxheck linked to a salon article up there... ty. from that article came the actual site and list of proposed future legislation.

one in particular i'd like to bring your attention to. it's comedy gold!
http://www.alec.org/model-legislation/resolution-on-mandatory-electr ic ity-consumer-disclosure-information/

here's two particular snippets i find most entertaining
"WHEREAS, the economic efficiencies inherent in competitive markets provide the most cost-effective compliance with environmental laws and regulations;"
and
"BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that it is the sense of this Legislature that the mandatory disclosure of such information on customer bills is undue interference in the operation of competitive markets, and impedes the efficient operation of the market by imposing a burden on any electric supplier otherwise willing to offer their products and services to consumers of the state of {insert state}."

In effect, they are proposing state legislators to petition the government to remove federal mandates enforcing disclosure on electricity bills, because it interferes with the companies' ability to operate their businesses at peak efficiency, and consumers will vote with their dollar anyways if electric companies aren't being environmentally friendly (which they will disclose on a voluntary basis rather than a federally mandated basis).
 
2013-12-05 07:49:28 PM

BMulligan: Jackson Herring: It was discovered in Florida -- when Republican State Representative Rachel Burgin introduced legislation in the state House back in November that -- oops -- still included ALEC's mission statement at the top of the bill, reading: "Whereas it is the mission of the American Legislative Exchange Council to advance Jeffersonian principles..."


lol take off your tinfoil hats, libtardatron 3000s

Jefferson? The agrarian, anti-industrial Jefferson? That guy?


You know, if it were 1787 and I had to chose to shoot one of the Founding Fathers, it would be a toss-up between Jefferson and Aaron Burr.  If I thought a live Hamilton could counter the damage done in Jefferson's name by Burr and others, Aaron would get the headshot.
 
2013-12-05 08:07:41 PM

Hobodeluxe: karnal: [fc09.deviantart.net image 850x555]

yeah because the Kochs are just two brothers. the unions represent all the union workers in America.
to really get a good idea of what the unions are up against you'd need to compare all the CEOs' and Corporations' money to the unions.
and you'll never know that amount because it's secret.
it's protected dark money that the politicians have made sure you'll never know who is paying them


And the Union Thugs are getting their way on every single issue, while the Koch brothers can't get the time of day in Washington.
 
2013-12-05 08:40:22 PM

BMulligan: Peki: Diogenes: Among the ALEC documents obtained by the Guardian: a draft loyalty oath for legislators who serve as the group's state chairs, declaring that "I will act with care and loyalty and put the interests of the organization first."

That's about all you need to know.  And any legislator who signed that should be removed from their job.

And people think I'm being hyperbolic when I suggest the US is in the middle of a totalitarian movement a la the Nazis.

/charismatic leader. Willy-nilly enforcement of rules that grabs innocents as well as guilty, is all that's left. There's the oath of loyalty. We already have the propaganda. What else do people need to see?

Well, for starters, we haven't had a good genocide around here in quite some time.


Hmm. . .

Have you been missing all the shootings? Or how the GOP have been targetting women and minorities? Hell, women start keeling over because they can't get an abortion to prevent a much more traumatic miscarriage, and there's your genocide.

/you think they wouldn't have learned to be a little more subtle about it? Easier to take away the right to vote and make you so poor you can't buy decent legal protection. Fark genocide, the people will get so depressed they'll off themselves.
 
2013-12-05 09:33:21 PM
Diogenes: That's about all you need to know. And any legislator who signed that should be removed from their job. this life

and I'm not being some vile liberal calling for the killing of conservatives; any legislator (openly) willing to put an organization ahead of their public duties should have their life functions terminated. MDK.
 
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