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2013-12-05 11:22:42 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: Yes yes, there are improvements in jet engines, I KNOW. But nothing even close to the improvements that would suggest we missed something the first time.

We burn stuff and throw it out one end of a tube. That's it. We can get burnier and tubier, but it's not enough. Sorry.

No one's going anywhere.


launch loop

/although, i do agree using rockets to escape the gravity well is pretty dumb and dangerious
 
2013-12-05 11:22:49 AM

aelat: Theaetetus: Egoy3k: RedPhoenix122: I would, but I can't seem to do anything but shoot into orbit around the sun and run out of fuel.

My standard Kerbal mission ends with my crew orbiting the earth with no fuel. For some reason I'm just burning too much fuel on my launch.

Throttle back on launch. You don't need to be at 100%, and typically shouldn't, since you can easily hit terminal velocity going up in the lower atmosphere and the drag will just mean you waste fuel without going any faster. I usually stay around 100-150 m/s until above 10km.

100-150 m/s?!? I've got places to be, man!

If you have enough thrust, there's no reason you can't accelerate all the way to orbit. When my bottom stage finally detaches and I rotate/burn to create orbit, I'm usually 700-800m/s (somewhere between 70-80k alt, I think). My bottom stage isn't excessive, either - can usually do that with 4 or 5 liquid rockets with the big fuel tanks. But that's also lifting a rover that's the size of my folk's GMC Yukon.

This is all in sandbox, of course. Haven't tried career mode yet, so perhaps this design would be cost-prohibited in some games.


Career mode is fun, not really any cost, but most items aren't unlocked until you build enough science points by doing experiments and sending reports back.
 
2013-12-05 11:23:24 AM

Farkomatic: Not that I have any problem with colonization on the moon on Mars, but it doesn't make any sense to me. We have millions of square miles of land not inhabited due to do extreme climates, etc. Two thirds of our planet is water. Why not colonize those areas where there are resources available without having to shoot a rocket into space?

How about colonizing desolate areas of the earth or underwater? Wouldn't that be cheaper and simpler?


It is orders of magnitude more difficult to get to the bottom of the ocean than to get into space.  Two words:  Pressure Gradient
 
2013-12-05 11:23:56 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: So I was fun until we disagreed. I see. Nice to know where you stand.


It's odd to me that you followed this with posting "grow up" several times, as though that was "disagreement" and not the kind of idiotic trolling he was talking about.
 
2013-12-05 11:25:05 AM

croesius: Quantum Apostrophe: He wasn't always such a sad troll. There were times when he actually contributed to conversations. In fact, he occasionally will make postings that have nothing to do with screaming for attention about space/3D printing/Luddites. But since so many people dance for his trolling, those days seem to be getting fewer and fewer. C'est la vie.

So I was fun until we disagreed. I see. Nice to know where you stand.

Actually, it is quite forward to say that we disagreed, as I don't recall stating my stance on your hot-button issues. You seem to be knowledgeable on quite a few subjects, especially relating to sciences, and I personally have been educated a few times by your postings. It's just that nowadays, I (and many others) know that as soon as soon as certain stories get greenlit on Fark, we can be sure that the "other" QA will show up in the comments, and thoroughly derail the discussion. In fact, it's to the point now that you don't even have to be present in the comments for this derailment to occur, the initial postings will be comprised of people mourning the inevitable rant which is surely to arrive.


I didn't realize a paunchy middle-aged impotent man with no penis who hasn't had sex in over 10 years had this kind of power.

Just be glad I don't use my powers for evil, but rather to educate.

Hot damn, I'm gonna go break some kid's toy rockets now.
/jk
 
2013-12-05 11:25:43 AM

RedPhoenix122: aelat: Theaetetus: Egoy3k: RedPhoenix122: I would, but I can't seem to do anything but shoot into orbit around the sun and run out of fuel.

My standard Kerbal mission ends with my crew orbiting the earth with no fuel. For some reason I'm just burning too much fuel on my launch.

Throttle back on launch. You don't need to be at 100%, and typically shouldn't, since you can easily hit terminal velocity going up in the lower atmosphere and the drag will just mean you waste fuel without going any faster. I usually stay around 100-150 m/s until above 10km.

100-150 m/s?!? I've got places to be, man!

If you have enough thrust, there's no reason you can't accelerate all the way to orbit. When my bottom stage finally detaches and I rotate/burn to create orbit, I'm usually 700-800m/s (somewhere between 70-80k alt, I think). My bottom stage isn't excessive, either - can usually do that with 4 or 5 liquid rockets with the big fuel tanks. But that's also lifting a rover that's the size of my folk's GMC Yukon.

This is all in sandbox, of course. Haven't tried career mode yet, so perhaps this design would be cost-prohibited in some games.

Career mode is fun, not really any cost, but most items aren't unlocked until you build enough science points by doing experiments and sending reports back.



Ah, cool. I never knew what the "cost" referred to on the part, assumed it was used somehow in career mode. Haven't played KSP in a couple months, and now I really want to call in sick so I can go home and play. Problem is, I'm already at work, hmm..
 
2013-12-05 11:26:50 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: We burn stuff and throw it out one end of a tube. That's it. We can get burnier and tubier, but it's not enough. Sorry.

No one's going anywhere.


Well, burny stuff to launch the meatbags that can't taks high gees. Maybe railguns (or whatever they're called now) to launch the non-meatbaggy things into orbit. Then assemble the parts and go someplace else.
 
2013-12-05 11:27:20 AM

EvilEgg: I'm guessing more like an oil rig or perhaps the research station in Antarctica. Where you live and work in the same building.


You know, they were doing an experiment about 10 years ago, somewhere like Greenland where there was a high altitude volcanic caldera where the thin area and low temps were pretty close. I remember reading about it, one of the guys from Devo was actually going to stay in the facility(I think their target was 6 months or a year of isolation from the rest of the planet), Unfortunately, I can't remember which member of the band, and I can't remember the name of the project, let alone how it turned out, but yeah, it was pretty much a live-and-work in the same place, with a requirement that they wear environmental suits outside, as if they were on Mars.
 
2013-12-05 11:28:16 AM

pastorkius: Thog already have bone, why Thog try shape knife? Thog is knife nutter.


Thog made knife from locally available real materials using real technology in a few days instead of fantasizing about it for half a century.

Thog understand better now?

Thog have no knife in this case. Thog will have to be happy with bone.

A Cave Geek: Farkomatic: Not that I have any problem with colonization on the moon on Mars, but it doesn't make any sense to me. We have millions of square miles of land not inhabited due to do extreme climates, etc. Two thirds of our planet is water. Why not colonize those areas where there are resources available without having to shoot a rocket into space?

How about colonizing desolate areas of the earth or underwater? Wouldn't that be cheaper and simpler?

It is orders of magnitude more difficult to get to the bottom of the ocean than to get into space.  Two words:  Pressure Gradient


But technology gets better and physics is just like an inconvenient opinion, man.
 
2013-12-05 11:28:58 AM

aelat: RedPhoenix122: aelat: Theaetetus: Egoy3k: RedPhoenix122: I would, but I can't seem to do anything but shoot into orbit around the sun and run out of fuel.

My standard Kerbal mission ends with my crew orbiting the earth with no fuel. For some reason I'm just burning too much fuel on my launch.

Throttle back on launch. You don't need to be at 100%, and typically shouldn't, since you can easily hit terminal velocity going up in the lower atmosphere and the drag will just mean you waste fuel without going any faster. I usually stay around 100-150 m/s until above 10km.

100-150 m/s?!? I've got places to be, man!

If you have enough thrust, there's no reason you can't accelerate all the way to orbit. When my bottom stage finally detaches and I rotate/burn to create orbit, I'm usually 700-800m/s (somewhere between 70-80k alt, I think). My bottom stage isn't excessive, either - can usually do that with 4 or 5 liquid rockets with the big fuel tanks. But that's also lifting a rover that's the size of my folk's GMC Yukon.

This is all in sandbox, of course. Haven't tried career mode yet, so perhaps this design would be cost-prohibited in some games.

Career mode is fun, not really any cost, but most items aren't unlocked until you build enough science points by doing experiments and sending reports back.


Ah, cool. I never knew what the "cost" referred to on the part, assumed it was used somehow in career mode. Haven't played KSP in a couple months, and now I really want to call in sick so I can go home and play. Problem is, I'm already at work, hmm..


What's your phone number?  I'll call you up and then you can claim a family emergency.
 
2013-12-05 11:29:23 AM

croesius: Quantum Apostrophe: He wasn't always such a sad troll. There were times when he actually contributed to conversations. In fact, he occasionally will make postings that have nothing to do with screaming for attention about space/3D printing/Luddites. But since so many people dance for his trolling, those days seem to be getting fewer and fewer. C'est la vie.

So I was fun until we disagreed. I see. Nice to know where you stand.

Actually, it is quite forward to say that we disagreed, as I don't recall stating my stance on your hot-button issues. You seem to be knowledgeable on quite a few subjects, especially relating to sciences, and I personally have been educated a few times by your postings. It's just that nowadays, I (and many others) know that as soon as soon as certain stories get greenlit on Fark, we can be sure that the "other" QA will show up in the comments, and thoroughly derail the discussion. In fact, it's to the point now that you don't even have to be present in the comments for this derailment to occur, the initial postings will be comprised of people mourning the inevitable rant which is surely to arrive.


Like anything even remotely linked to 3D printing?

/runs away
 
2013-12-05 11:32:13 AM

Migrating Coconut: Haven't managed to land a manned mission on anything but the moons of Kerbal. Anything beyond that is going to be a either a one way trip or a long wait for rescue. KSP is a great game. I will not use Mechjeb, trying to do it the hard way. If I ever manage to dock two spacecraft in orbit I'll be beside myself..


This!

I managed to land on Duna a couple of times but I've not made it back. Much rage quitting has occurred do to my docking attempts ...
 
2013-12-05 11:32:40 AM

aelat: Theaetetus: Egoy3k: RedPhoenix122: I would, but I can't seem to do anything but shoot into orbit around the sun and run out of fuel.

My standard Kerbal mission ends with my crew orbiting the earth with no fuel. For some reason I'm just burning too much fuel on my launch.

Throttle back on launch. You don't need to be at 100%, and typically shouldn't, since you can easily hit terminal velocity going up in the lower atmosphere and the drag will just mean you waste fuel without going any faster. I usually stay around 100-150 m/s until above 10km.

100-150 m/s?!? I've got places to be, man!

If you have enough thrust, there's no reason you can't accelerate all the way to orbit.


Terminal velocity - you literally cannot go any faster than this at launch:
Altitude (m)Velocity (m/s)
75 - 100.9
1000 - 110.5
2000 - 121.9
3000 - 134.5
4000 - 148.4
5000 - 163.7
6000 - 180.6
7000 - 199.3
8000 - 219.9
9000 - 242.6
10000 - 267.7
12500 - 342.4
15000 - 437.8
20000 - 716
32000 - 2332

After 10km, you can really start pushing things faster, but below that, you're just straining against a brick wall.
 
2013-12-05 11:34:45 AM

mr lawson: Quantum Apostrophe: Yes yes, there are improvements in jet engines, I KNOW. But nothing even close to the improvements that would suggest we missed something the first time.

We burn stuff and throw it out one end of a tube. That's it. We can get burnier and tubier, but it's not enough. Sorry.

No one's going anywhere.

launch loop

/although, i do agree using rockets to escape the gravity well is pretty dumb and dangerious


Well there you go. Another problem solved! I mean that looks perfectly reasonable and feasible.

So let's say you have this magical technology. Now what?

simplicimus: Quantum Apostrophe: We burn stuff and throw it out one end of a tube. That's it. We can get burnier and tubier, but it's not enough. Sorry.

No one's going anywhere.

Well, burny stuff to launch the meatbags that can't taks high gees. Maybe railguns (or whatever they're called now) to launch the non-meatbaggy things into orbit. Then assemble the parts and go someplace else.


There you go, even simpler. This stuff is all so simple, one wonders why Russia, the country with the most space firsts, therefore the country with the most benefits (right?), hasn't already built one. Or five for that matter!

Thanks guys, you've made me see the error of my ways. Clearly, this space stuff is simple and doesn't require magical materials or technologies whatsoever.

Just things that are so big as to dwarf everything we've done collectively as a species by several orders of magnitude.

But no worries, we desperately dig in the ground for pockets of natural gas, that's surely the sign of a civilization on the cusp of Galactic Dominion.

What does one wear for Galactic Dominion? I'm never good with these social things.
 
2013-12-05 11:35:34 AM
monsterhuntermoviereviews.comwww.darrenmcgavin.net

I thought it would look like the Wild West, only the buildings were shipping containers.

Thanks, Ray Bradbury.
 
2013-12-05 11:36:22 AM
I know why I go into space exploration threads.... I love space.... but I do question my sanity for not stopping and questioning will this turn into a KSP thread and the possibility that I will become hooked on that sim.
 
2013-12-05 11:36:32 AM

Egoy3k: RedPhoenix122: I would, but I can't seem to do anything but shoot into orbit around the sun and run out of fuel.

My standard Kerbal mission ends with my crew orbiting the earth with no fuel. For some reason I'm just burning too much fuel on my launch.


Go for asparagus staging, as per the picture someone else posted but also make sure you have engines on the tanks.  Ignite EVERYTHING on the pad and throttle down to 75% or so once you're off the pad; it's pointless going faster than 200m/s inside the light blue area on Kerbin.  As each pair/quad of tanks on the outer layer empties jettison them.

Yes you can do this with orange tanks and mainsails.  With a 'mega-smasher' and proper staging you can pretty much hump a space station in to high Kerbin orbit in one or two launches.

Also put it in to Sandbox mode and install a mod called MechJeb, it's avaliable on Starport (google Kerbal Starport), lots of people get snitty at using MechJeb but a) I've gotten in to orbit on my own, I know the rocket can do it this is my 50th launch so meh and b) watch what it does and how it works through your stages, when it starts its gravity turns and so on; then mimic it.

Once you're in orbit over Kerbin the amount of fuel you need to get to Mun or Minmus is quite small, pretty much like real life in that respect.
 
2013-12-05 11:37:38 AM

Night Night Cream Puff: croesius: Quantum Apostrophe: He wasn't always such a sad troll. There were times when he actually contributed to conversations. In fact, he occasionally will make postings that have nothing to do with screaming for attention about space/3D printing/Luddites. But since so many people dance for his trolling, those days seem to be getting fewer and fewer. C'est la vie.

So I was fun until we disagreed. I see. Nice to know where you stand.

Actually, it is quite forward to say that we disagreed, as I don't recall stating my stance on your hot-button issues. You seem to be knowledgeable on quite a few subjects, especially relating to sciences, and I personally have been educated a few times by your postings. It's just that nowadays, I (and many others) know that as soon as soon as certain stories get greenlit on Fark, we can be sure that the "other" QA will show up in the comments, and thoroughly derail the discussion. In fact, it's to the point now that you don't even have to be present in the comments for this derailment to occur, the initial postings will be comprised of people mourning the inevitable rant which is surely to arrive.

Like anything even remotely linked to 3D printing?

/runs away


Noted.
 
2013-12-05 11:37:48 AM

Vaneshi: Once you're in orbit over Kerbin the amount of fuel you need to get to Mun or Minmus is quite small, pretty much like real life in that respect.


This is true, however, the tough part is judging speed and angle so you don't miss.
 
2013-12-05 11:43:00 AM

Vaneshi: Yes you can do this with orange tanks and mainsails.  With a 'mega-smasher' and proper staging you can pretty much hump a space station in to high Kerbin orbit in one or two launches.


There's a realism problem there, tho*... When you've got your mega-smasher heavy lifting vehicle and your first set of tanks runs empty at 500m, you haven't even started your gravity turn. You jettison those tanks, and they're going to come right back down and smoosh your space center:
www.tentonhammer.com
So, I always feel bad because I know that I'm not even halfway through the atmosphere and there's a construction crew is already coming out to rebuild the entire launch pad yet again.

*No, not the obvious ones

/I suppose you could try to launch retrograde and see if you can drop a tank right through the open doors of the VAB
 
2013-12-05 11:43:19 AM
agentsofgeek.com
 
2013-12-05 11:44:34 AM

Theaetetus: aelat: Theaetetus: Egoy3k: RedPhoenix122: I would, but I can't seem to do anything but shoot into orbit around the sun and run out of fuel.

My standard Kerbal mission ends with my crew orbiting the earth with no fuel. For some reason I'm just burning too much fuel on my launch.

Throttle back on launch. You don't need to be at 100%, and typically shouldn't, since you can easily hit terminal velocity going up in the lower atmosphere and the drag will just mean you waste fuel without going any faster. I usually stay around 100-150 m/s until above 10km.

100-150 m/s?!? I've got places to be, man!

If you have enough thrust, there's no reason you can't accelerate all the way to orbit.

Terminal velocity - you literally cannot go any faster than this at launch:
Altitude (m)Velocity (m/s)
75 - 100.9
1000 - 110.5
2000 - 121.9
3000 - 134.5
4000 - 148.4
5000 - 163.7
6000 - 180.6
7000 - 199.3
8000 - 219.9
9000 - 242.6
10000 - 267.7
12500 - 342.4
15000 - 437.8
20000 - 716
32000 - 2332

After 10km, you can really start pushing things faster, but below that, you're just straining against a brick wall.


If you're topping out at 125m/s (averaging your 100-150) until 10k, you're still going less than half the speed you could be. I'm sticking with, "I've got places to be."
 
2013-12-05 11:44:48 AM

Slaxl: You are some profoundly desolate wasteland of sentiment. If everyone was like you the human tribe would never have left Africa.


No, the ones that keep fantasizing about impossible technologies and remote possibilities are the ones wasting their time.

The ones thinking about reality and what's feasible are what got the "human tribe out of Africa".

You've got the "profoundly desolate wasteland of sentiment." part right, but I'm not the one pining over half-century old techno-fantasies.

Africa, 25000 years ago:

"We could just walk"
"No no! Let's wait for warp drives and the gods surely will ...."

Which one happened?
 
2013-12-05 11:45:52 AM

RedPhoenix122: aelat: RedPhoenix122: aelat: Theaetetus: Egoy3k: RedPhoenix122: I would, but I can't seem to do anything but shoot into orbit around the sun and run out of fuel.

My standard Kerbal mission ends with my crew orbiting the earth with no fuel. For some reason I'm just burning too much fuel on my launch.

Throttle back on launch. You don't need to be at 100%, and typically shouldn't, since you can easily hit terminal velocity going up in the lower atmosphere and the drag will just mean you waste fuel without going any faster. I usually stay around 100-150 m/s until above 10km.

100-150 m/s?!? I've got places to be, man!

If you have enough thrust, there's no reason you can't accelerate all the way to orbit. When my bottom stage finally detaches and I rotate/burn to create orbit, I'm usually 700-800m/s (somewhere between 70-80k alt, I think). My bottom stage isn't excessive, either - can usually do that with 4 or 5 liquid rockets with the big fuel tanks. But that's also lifting a rover that's the size of my folk's GMC Yukon.

This is all in sandbox, of course. Haven't tried career mode yet, so perhaps this design would be cost-prohibited in some games.

Career mode is fun, not really any cost, but most items aren't unlocked until you build enough science points by doing experiments and sending reports back.


Ah, cool. I never knew what the "cost" referred to on the part, assumed it was used somehow in career mode. Haven't played KSP in a couple months, and now I really want to call in sick so I can go home and play. Problem is, I'm already at work, hmm..

What's your phone number?  I'll call you up and then you can claim a family emergency.


Too risky - they'd find me out. Better make it a real family emergency.

/make it look like an accident.
 
2013-12-05 11:47:04 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: simplicimus: Quantum Apostrophe: We burn stuff and throw it out one end of a tube. That's it. We can get burnier and tubier, but it's not enough. Sorry.

No one's going anywhere.

Well, burny stuff to launch the meatbags that can't taks high gees. Maybe railguns (or whatever they're called now) to launch the non-meatbaggy things into orbit. Then assemble the parts and go someplace else.

There you go, even simpler. This stuff is all so simple, one wonders why Russia, the country with the most space firsts, therefore the country with the most benefits (right?), hasn't already built one. Or five for that matter!

Thanks guys, you've made me see the error of my ways. Clearly, this space stuff is simple and doesn't require magical materials or technologies whatsoever.

Just things that are so big as to dwarf everything we've done collectively as a species by several orders of magnitude.

But no worries, we desperately dig in the ground for pockets of natural gas, that's surely the sign of a civilization on the cusp of Galactic Dominion.

What does one wear for Galactic Dominion? I'm never good with these social things.


I was just pointing out that some technology exists, some is near. We know we can build stuff in low orbit (ISS), so launching something large into space is possible. We still have no where to go that won't (most likely) be a one way trip for humans. And we need to learn more about self-sustaining colonies in unforgiving environments and the social dynamics of small groups of people who will be stuck together for long periods of time.
 
2013-12-05 11:48:01 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: Well there you go. Another problem solved! I mean that looks perfectly reasonable and feasible.

So let's say you have this magical technology. Now what?


First...there is nothing magical at all about it. It is basic Newtonian physics.
You want to demonstrate the effect for yourself? Go outside and turn on a high-pressure open ended water hose and watch the hose flail around. The force of the water pressure is simply over coming the weight of the hose. Same basic principle of the launch loop with the difference being magnetic force instead of water pressure force and since the tube of the loop is evacuated of air, means you can build it as high as you like.

As for "now what". Simple...build. explore, learn, have fun, enjoy the new frontier in what ever manner floats your boat.
 
2013-12-05 11:49:26 AM

mr lawson: Lando Lincoln: . We've got a lot of stupid to stamp out of existence first.

including statements like this


So you're saying that the human race is ready to go and spread our population to other systems? You really believe this?
 
2013-12-05 11:50:16 AM
Quantum Apostrophe:

But technology gets better and physics is just like an inconvenient opinion, man.


Pretty sure that was snark.....not good at picking snark off of written word....
 
2013-12-05 11:50:39 AM

mr lawson: First...there is nothing magical at all about it. It is basic Newtonian physics.


I was asking about the technology. You can plug any numbers you want into Newtonian physics. Now, go build it.

That's like saying earning a million dollars an hour is basic algebra.

Yeah, and?

mr lawson: As for "now what". Simple...build. explore, learn, have fun, enjoy the new frontier in what ever manner floats your boat.


Right here on Earth. Because you failed miserably to demonstrate what TECHNOLOGY would be required. I have a feeling you know very little about materials science.
 
2013-12-05 11:52:24 AM
Theaetetus:
So, I always feel bad because I know that I'm not even halfway through the atmosphere and there's a construction crew is already coming out to rebuild the entire launch pad yet again.

My Kerbals are just happy I stopped the Project Orion static tests on the pad.   Their little squawks translate as "Hurry up with that concrete or she'll get the nukes out again".
 
2013-12-05 11:52:37 AM

Lando Lincoln: So you're saying that the human race is ready to go and spread our population to other systems? You really believe this?


all of the human race? No. People like you do not. Some of us. Yes.
 
2013-12-05 11:52:39 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: No, the ones that keep fantasizing about impossible technologies and remote possibilities are the ones wasting their time.


Oh yeah? What if we discover a comet on a collision course with Earth whose mass renders it an ELE object?

What then, smart guy with all the answers?
 
2013-12-05 11:52:55 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: techno-fantasies.


Here's my techno-fantasy

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-12-05 11:53:06 AM
KSP?

Korillian Secret Police?

/obscure
 
2013-12-05 11:53:11 AM
Oh sure, it's all fun and games NOW, but you just wait.

web.mit.edu
 
2013-12-05 11:54:14 AM

aelat: Too risky - they'd find me out. Better make it a real family emergency.

/make it look like an accident.


Alright, do you have a preferred family member or just anyone in the vicinity of the blast?
 
2013-12-05 11:54:48 AM

A Cave Geek: Quantum Apostrophe:

But technology gets better and physics is just like an inconvenient opinion, man.


Pretty sure that was snark.....not good at picking snark off of written word....


No no, I've been converted. Hard drives store more information now, therefore every technology scales at the same rate.

It's pretty clear to me now.
/jk

Lando Lincoln: mr lawson: Lando Lincoln: . We've got a lot of stupid to stamp out of existence first.

including statements like this

So you're saying that the human race is ready to go and spread our population to other systems? You really believe this?


2.bp.blogspot.com

And how! Boy golly gee that there space sure looks fun and easy!
 
2013-12-05 11:56:14 AM

RedPhoenix122: aelat: Too risky - they'd find me out. Better make it a real family emergency.

/make it look like an accident.

Alright, do you have a preferred family member or just anyone in the vicinity of the blast?


Blast?! What are you going to do, tamper with the gas line on my stove?!

Wait, I don't want to know. But I have two cats, and I really don't want to be here right now, so...use your judgement.
 
2013-12-05 11:57:28 AM

mr lawson: Lando Lincoln: So you're saying that the human race is ready to go and spread our population to other systems? You really believe this?

all of the human race? No. People like you do not. Some of us. Yes.


Unfortunately for you super enlightened geniuses, the space program will be funded by cretins like me.
 
2013-12-05 11:58:12 AM
It would be interesting if we got a colony started up on Mars, and then some disaster pushed back civilization and prevented us for going back for a million years.  I wonder how much the species would diverge during that time?
 
2013-12-05 11:58:52 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: Now, go build it.


well...i did just purchase 6.3 acres for the express purpose of research and development of it.
Ground breaking should be around Feb.

As for material science. I will admit, i do not have a P.h.D in it. My degree is in Econ. However, living near Oak Ridge, I do know more than a few people who do and they have expressed interest in helping developing it, which is nice i guess.
 
2013-12-05 11:59:39 AM

aelat: Blast?! What are you going to do, tamper with the gas line on my stove?!

Wait, I don't want to know. But I have two cats, and I really don't want to be here right now, so...use your judgement.


Are there any Chinese restaurants in the vicinity of your home?  We can make this real easy.
 
2013-12-05 11:59:40 AM

Lando Lincoln: the space program will be funded by cretins like me.


No....it won't.
 
2013-12-05 12:02:29 PM

mr lawson: Quantum Apostrophe: Now, go build it.

well...i did just purchase 6.3 acres for the express purpose of research and development of it.
Ground breaking should be around Feb.

As for material science. I will admit, i do not have a P.h.D in it. My degree is in Econ. However, living near Oak Ridge, I do know more than a few people who do and they have expressed interest in helping developing it, which is nice i guess.


OK. Let's watch how it goes. My money is on: "forgotten within a year". At best, you have an expensive and unconventional way of launching a specially-hardened grapefruit into LEO.

In other words, nothing.

Hollie Maea: It would be interesting if we got a colony started up on Mars, and then some disaster pushed back civilization and prevented us for going back for a million years.  I wonder how much the species would diverge during that time?


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2013-12-05 12:02:53 PM

mr lawson: Lando Lincoln: the space program will be funded by cretins like me.

No....it won't.


Oh really? Who's going to fund it? Richard Branson?
 
2013-12-05 12:03:37 PM

mr lawson: Lando Lincoln: the space program will be funded by cretins like me.

No....it won't.


actually....i take that back.
You very well might get the opportunity to directly help to fund it in exchange for a one time orbital trip around the Earth. Fair?
 
2013-12-05 12:05:04 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: You complete and utter LUDDITE. Computers got better, therefore your little "physics" and "engineering" are irrelevant.

Physics is just like, a suggestion, man. I saw Star Trek as a kid, you know what I mean? I think there are more elements yet to be discovered in the periodic table that will enable our glorious expansion to the stars.

I mean all you have to do is look through a telescope to see the teeming and thriving alien civilizations out there just waiting for us to join the partay!!


Help us, TechoBevets.  You're our only hope.

Seriously, though - this thread is one of your more thoroughly insane efforts.  It's really a work of art.
 
2013-12-05 12:06:14 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: mr lawson: Quantum Apostrophe: Now, go build it.

well...i did just purchase 6.3 acres for the express purpose of research and development of it.
Ground breaking should be around Feb.

As for material science. I will admit, i do not have a P.h.D in it. My degree is in Econ. However, living near Oak Ridge, I do know more than a few people who do and they have expressed interest in helping developing it, which is nice i guess.

OK. Let's watch how it goes. My money is on: "forgotten within a year". At best, you have an expensive and unconventional way of launching a specially-hardened grapefruit into LEO.

In other words, nothing.


Fair enough. We shall see.
 
2013-12-05 12:06:45 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: meanmutton: Not worth the trillions it would cost to get people to Mars, no, but it's kind of sad to look up at the heavens, see that the near infinite vastness full of stars and planets that no human will ever set foot on.

No human will ever set foot on the core of the Earth either. Is that sad too? Well then go grab a shovel!

Guess what? All those stars and planets? They're the same matter as right here. It's gonna be the same thing.

It's like saying there is an infinite vastness of carbon atoms in China that will never be inside your body. (Considering that a lot of our food comes from there that's not really accurate)

And that makes you sad? Why? You have carbon atoms right here.

It's just that you aggrandize something you'll never have. It's emotional. It's like that chick you walked by and didn't talk to. She's obviously so much hotter and better and smarter and cuter than your real girlfriend, right? Nah, not really.

When you think it through, it makes little to no sense to pine about these things.

For what it's worth, I think there is plenty of life in the universe like we have right here. They probably look at us and think of us as the infinite vastness they'll never set a tentacle on.

So what?

Then toss in the fact that as you say, our engineering and technology are simply too limited to even play in our back yard, and you want to move to another country?

Grow up.


Resources are limited.
Space is limited.
There are tons of man-made and natural factors that would lead to our extinction.

For just those reasons alone, it is a good idea to invest in expanding our options and colonizing new planets (at the very least harvesting). If Earth goes away, then we still have other civilizations. It does not make sense however to disregard the cost and to try to progress faster than technology currently allows. The thing with research and development however with concerns to space exploration is that we learn a lot of cool shiat that improves conditions here in the process. This is completely outside of the deeper reasons of exploring the meaning of our existence, environment, and life in general. I find that we typically learn the most through trial and error, mistake, and pushing the boundaries. This is where breakthroughs come from that speed up our progress significantly. There really isn't much you can lose in this endeavor. The fact that it isn't more of a priority tells me that people are just myopic.
 
2013-12-05 12:09:46 PM

the money is in the banana stand: For just those reasons alone, it is a good idea to invest in expanding our options and colonizing new planets (at the very least harvesting). If Earth goes away, then we still have other civilizations. It does not make sense however to disregard the cost and to try to progress faster than technology currently allows. The thing with research and development however with concerns to space exploration is that we learn a lot of cool shiat that improves conditions here in the process. This is completely outside of the deeper reasons of exploring the meaning of our existence, environment, and life in general. I find that we typically learn the most through trial and error, mistake, and pushing the boundaries. This is where breakthroughs come from that speed up our progress significantly. There really isn't much you can lose in this endeavor. The fact that it isn't more of a priority tells me that people are just myopic.


Not to mentioned the technology developed during this process could be adapted for things that we use every day.
 
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