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2013-12-05 06:38:17 PM  
From the TPD report:

This case was left in suspended status because probable cause could not be established given the 
conflicting statements between what the victim told her friends and what was reported to police. In 
addition, the victim was unwilling to pursue criminal charges at that time. Based on these facts and the 
fact it did not meet statutory requirements for prosecutorial review (domestic related incidents), the case 
was not submitted to the Office of the State Attorney. My Sergeant and Lieutenant were both aware 
and in agreement with this decision in February 2013. 

On November 12, 2013, we were made aware that a media source was inquiring about the investigation 
and was requesting documents pertaining to the case. On November 12, 2013 I was directed to notify 
the Office of the State Attorney of the case for the sole purpose of making them aware in case they 
were to receive requests for information. After discussing the
 
2013-12-05 06:43:20 PM  

jasimo: From the TPD report:

This case was left in suspended status because probable cause could not be established given the 
conflicting statements between what the victim told her friends and what was reported to police. In 
addition, the victim was unwilling to pursue criminal charges at that time. Based on these facts and the 
fact it did not meet statutory requirements for prosecutorial review (domestic related incidents), the case 
was not submitted to the Office of the State Attorney. My Sergeant and Lieutenant were both aware 
and in agreement with this decision in February 2013. 

On November 12, 2013, we were made aware that a media source was inquiring about the investigation 
and was requesting documents pertaining to the case. On November 12, 2013 I was directed to notify 
the Office of the State Attorney of the case for the sole purpose of making them aware in case they 
were to receive requests for information. After discussing the


Yeah I read all that but they did not communicate it with the family, the story that was put out was the girls attorney only found out about it from the prosecutor in October. They should have let the 'victim' know at the same time and the reasons, it only seems fair.
 
2013-12-05 06:53:27 PM  

steamingpile: jasimo: From the TPD report:

This case was left in suspended status because probable cause could not be established given the
conflicting statements between what the victim told her friends and what was reported to police. In
addition, the victim was unwilling to pursue criminal charges at that time. Based on these facts and the
fact it did not meet statutory requirements for prosecutorial review (domestic related incidents), the case
was not submitted to the Office of the State Attorney. My Sergeant and Lieutenant were both aware
and in agreement with this decision in February 2013.

On November 12, 2013, we were made aware that a media source was inquiring about the investigation
and was requesting documents pertaining to the case. On November 12, 2013 I was directed to notify
the Office of the State Attorney of the case for the sole purpose of making them aware in case they
were to receive requests for information. After discussing the

Yeah I read all that but they did not communicate it with the family, the story that was put out was the girls attorney only found out about it from the prosecutor in October. They should have let the 'victim' know at the same time and the reasons, it only seems fair.


"the victim was unwilling to pursue criminal charges at that time."

If the report is true, she knew back then:
"Do you want to purue criminal charges?"
"No."
"Okay, have a nice day."

I think it's more ass-covering by her.
 
2013-12-05 07:09:03 PM  

jasimo: steamingpile: jasimo: From the TPD report:

This case was left in suspended status because probable cause could not be established given the
conflicting statements between what the victim told her friends and what was reported to police. In
addition, the victim was unwilling to pursue criminal charges at that time. Based on these facts and the
fact it did not meet statutory requirements for prosecutorial review (domestic related incidents), the case
was not submitted to the Office of the State Attorney. My Sergeant and Lieutenant were both aware
and in agreement with this decision in February 2013.

On November 12, 2013, we were made aware that a media source was inquiring about the investigation
and was requesting documents pertaining to the case. On November 12, 2013 I was directed to notify
the Office of the State Attorney of the case for the sole purpose of making them aware in case they
were to receive requests for information. After discussing the

Yeah I read all that but they did not communicate it with the family, the story that was put out was the girls attorney only found out about it from the prosecutor in October. They should have let the 'victim' know at the same time and the reasons, it only seems fair.

"the victim was unwilling to pursue criminal charges at that time."

If the report is true, she knew back then:
"Do you want to purue criminal charges?"
"No."
"Okay, have a nice day."

I think it's more ass-covering by her.


I agree but again the cops should have sat her down and explained what they found to say they know it didnt happen like that then give her the option of dropping it or they can tell the attorney/parents at the same time.

The cops should have squashed it right then instead of letting it drags out.
 
2013-12-05 07:15:42 PM  

steamingpile: supageil: I dunno, because it really farking matters to tens of thousands of students and fans?

And should be part of a larger conversation on athletes' treatment, media bias, how this country deals with rape accusations, sexism, racism, and the deep suckitude of the TPD?

Or you could argue how much special treatment athletes get when in school? It looks worse when they were in an undefeated season and most of the biggest questions people have is if he would have been arrested if they were a 4 loss team.

flak attack: FSU already is ranked #1.

He means YPG which is Mich State, problem is they only played or two defenses in the top 70 in the nation so that holds little weight, FSU just played a bunch of bad red zone teams.


Yes, I meant we should have a discussion about preferential treatment of athletes. That is exactly what I meant. Amazingly enough, people have and that thought besides you.

There are lots of angles here, shiat that needs to be brought up and dealt with. The per capita crime rate in Tallahassee is pretty bad. Living there for almost a decade, you hear some horror stories of rapes (remember the one in the university library?) and attempted assaults. There's also a sick and money-grubbing culture in some scenes. And yes, the cops DO botch things there. This could be a, what do they call them, teachable moment, both for folks in Tallahassee and observers around the country.

Instead we're all just gonna watch the Noles put the hurt on Duke, and just try to put the whole thing behind us.

I'm usually the one backing the alleged rape victim--that shiat happens FAR more often than is ever reported, and it takes guts to go to the cops. Which is why, if this woman lied, I'm pissed as hell. Too many actual victims aren't believed. I never thought he did it, though. I hate how this whole thing is exactly the type of event that sets the national conversation on rape back a mile.
 
2013-12-05 07:19:16 PM  

steamingpile: I agree but again the cops should have sat her down and explained what they found to say they know it didnt happen like that then give her the option of dropping it or they can tell the attorney/parents at the same time.

The cops should have squashed it right then instead of letting it drags out.


TPD doesn't exactly have a good record recently.  This screw-up is way down on the list of the things they've done wrong in the last year.

http://www.thestate.com/2013/11/24/3119925/police-handling-winston-c as e-has.html
 
2013-12-05 07:29:23 PM  

meanmutton: BiffDangler: It's actually a very thoughtfully written article and I agree 100%.  If Auburn wins this week they should most def. be in the title game.

It's a rationalization that excludes the single most important reason why Auburn doesn't deserve to be in that game.


So Northern Illinois should have an automatic route to the title game then?
 
2013-12-05 07:32:02 PM  

wxboy: steamingpile: I agree but again the cops should have sat her down and explained what they found to say they know it didnt happen like that then give her the option of dropping it or they can tell the attorney/parents at the same time.

The cops should have squashed it right then instead of letting it drags out.

TPD doesn't exactly have a good record recently.  This screw-up is way down on the list of the things they've done wrong in the last year.

http://www.thestate.com/2013/11/24/3119925/police-handling-winston-c as e-has.html


Wow they set a new standard for inept police work.
 
2013-12-05 08:22:06 PM  
So the police should notify the public every time someone doesn't get charged with rape?  Don't you think that's kind of scary?  Have any of you ever dealt with the police?  Or had a family member?
 
2013-12-05 08:29:43 PM  

FLMountainMan: So the police should notify the public every time someone doesn't get charged with rape?  Don't you think that's kind of scary?  Have any of you ever dealt with the police?  Or had a family member?


Yes I have multiple family members in law enforcement and no you dont have to inform the media every move you make. But what you do accomplish is tell the victim and their lawyer, not let them hear it from a 3rd party.
 
2013-12-05 08:33:48 PM  

steamingpile: FLMountainMan: So the police should notify the public every time someone doesn't get charged with rape?  Don't you think that's kind of scary?  Have any of you ever dealt with the police?  Or had a family member?

Yes I have multiple family members in law enforcement and no you dont have to inform the media every move you make. But what you do accomplish is tell the victim and their lawyer, not let them hear it from a 3rd party.


You have to tell the victim who doesn't want to press charges that you're not going to press charges?
 
2013-12-05 09:03:49 PM  

FLMountainMan: steamingpile: FLMountainMan: So the police should notify the public every time someone doesn't get charged with rape?  Don't you think that's kind of scary?  Have any of you ever dealt with the police?  Or had a family member?

Yes I have multiple family members in law enforcement and no you dont have to inform the media every move you make. But what you do accomplish is tell the victim and their lawyer, not let them hear it from a 3rd party.

You have to tell the victim who doesn't want to press charges that you're not going to press charges?


Did you read the article that has been linked? She never said that, and even if she doesn't want to press charges you speak or send over certified copies to the attorneys.
 
2013-12-05 09:25:38 PM  

steamingpile: FLMountainMan: steamingpile: FLMountainMan: So the police should notify the public every time someone doesn't get charged with rape?  Don't you think that's kind of scary?  Have any of you ever dealt with the police?  Or had a family member?

Yes I have multiple family members in law enforcement and no you dont have to inform the media every move you make. But what you do accomplish is tell the victim and their lawyer, not let them hear it from a 3rd party.

You have to tell the victim who doesn't want to press charges that you're not going to press charges?

Did you read the article that has been linked? She never said that, and even if she doesn't want to press charges you speak or send over certified copies to the attorneys.


She didn't have an attorney that they knew of when the decision was made. Her attorney didn't come into play until way after that decision was made by the police.
 
2013-12-05 09:42:50 PM  

ongbok: steamingpile: FLMountainMan: steamingpile: FLMountainMan: So the police should notify the public every time someone doesn't get charged with rape?  Don't you think that's kind of scary?  Have any of you ever dealt with the police?  Or had a family member?

Yes I have multiple family members in law enforcement and no you dont have to inform the media every move you make. But what you do accomplish is tell the victim and their lawyer, not let them hear it from a 3rd party.

You have to tell the victim who doesn't want to press charges that you're not going to press charges?

Did you read the article that has been linked? She never said that, and even if she doesn't want to press charges you speak or send over certified copies to the attorneys.

She didn't have an attorney that they knew of when the decision was made. Her attorney didn't come into play until way after that decision was made by the police.


According to every article her attorney was in contact with the police and never heard back, then heard about it from another attorney. Its a lack of communication and at the least the police let the victim or her parents know if she's a minor, it alleviates bullshiat like this and doesn't give the sense of any cover up.

I'm not defending her, I think she's a liar, the problem is their procedure needs to be updated. Like my old boss used to write on every paper 'cyoa' which just means document everything to 'cover your ass'.
 
2013-12-05 10:27:54 PM  

steamingpile: supageil: I dunno, because it really farking matters to tens of thousands of students and fans?

And should be part of a larger conversation on athletes' treatment, media bias, how this country deals with rape accusations, sexism, racism, and the deep suckitude of the TPD?

Or you could argue how much special treatment athletes get when in school? It looks worse when they were in an undefeated season and most of the biggest questions people have is if he would have been arrested if they were a 4 loss team.

flak attack: FSU already is ranked #1.

He means YPG which is Mich State, problem is they only played or two defenses in the top 70 in the nation so that holds little weight, FSU just played a bunch of bad red zone teams.


On the other hand, most of the FSU games were already won in the first half and the second halves were played by the second and third string guys. But arguments like yours is the reason that I hope the next best team does end up playing FSU in the <whatever> bowl. It's going to be interesting to come back here in a few weeks and read all of the "now you're all going to see how over-rated FSU is!" It might be nice to save names and dates for strictly historical purposes.
 
2013-12-05 10:33:27 PM  

Leonard Washington: here's something I stumbled across

Dec 7th 2012: general outline of events....though I'd share with alumni. Reply
It took place at JW apartment legacy suites. The girl lived in Kellum hall. She placed the call from Kellum hall meaning she got back to her dorm from his place (20 min walk). Jameis and Casher met them at Purgatory Thursdays at Potbellys (10 dollar AYCD). It was a one night stand kind of thing. they never meet before that night. There is text between her and her friend saying come out to Potbellys and hook up with these hot black guys. She has a history of hooking up with black guys.... Anyway they left to his place in cab from pots. Casher took pics or a vid which pissed her off. Jameis kicked her out because Breion was flying in and she got back to Kellum pissed and made the call. She apparently broke a few things on her way out. She knew jameis name but decided that leading cops to the apartment wasn't smart b/c she would get exposed. Once her family found out she had to keep up the lie and family pushed it to go through. She didnt want to pursue as she knew it as a lie. Meggs interviewed her and her story fell apart. The second witness other than Casher is believed to be a friend of hers who took part in a threesome with Jameis. The second witness identity is what has been hardest to come by and is my only not 100% fact. Some rumblings #2 is another player but I believe that is false. It isn't her roommate either who was out of town for the week. This girl is likely the girl who sent the text to her earlier and Introduced her to Jameis. This is as close to the truth as I have been able to get.

*** I will add though that there are rumblings of her claiming (at some point) two attackers because her panties came up with multiple Semen samples and she did not want to admit to sex with another boy (different night) to her parents.
**** also girl originally insulated she was potential drugged(another lie) TOX came back clean and she was also sober.

Fap


Don't forget the semen samples. One on her face was from her then boy friend (some guy in Ohio -- Kent State IIRC), one (also face) was from Winston. The vaginal/cervix swabs were negative for any "DNA" (coff coff), but the anal swab came back with DNA from "an as-yet unidentified source."

Just saying.
 
2013-12-05 11:19:39 PM  

Diagonal: steamingpile: supageil: I dunno, because it really farking matters to tens of thousands of students and fans?

And should be part of a larger conversation on athletes' treatment, media bias, how this country deals with rape accusations, sexism, racism, and the deep suckitude of the TPD?

Or you could argue how much special treatment athletes get when in school? It looks worse when they were in an undefeated season and most of the biggest questions people have is if he would have been arrested if they were a 4 loss team.

flak attack: FSU already is ranked #1.

He means YPG which is Mich State, problem is they only played or two defenses in the top 70 in the nation so that holds little weight, FSU just played a bunch of bad red zone teams.

On the other hand, most of the FSU games were already won in the first half and the second halves were played by the second and third string guys. But arguments like yours is the reason that I hope the next best team does end up playing FSU in the <whatever> bowl. It's going to be interesting to come back here in a few weeks and read all of the "now you're all going to see how over-rated FSU is!" It might be nice to save names and dates for strictly historical purposes.


Oh FSU is over rated but it doesn't matter they are undefeated and in the game as long as Duke just plays like Duke.

Congrats FSU, at least you earned it.
 
2013-12-06 01:24:33 AM  
So how bad does OSU get beat by FSU?  It might just get as bad as last year.
 
2013-12-06 08:25:23 AM  

steamingpile: According to every article her attorney was in contact with the police and never heard back, then heard about it from another attorney. Its a lack of communication and at the least the police let the victim or her parents know if she's a minor, it alleviates bullshiat like this and doesn't give the sense of any cover up.


What you're saying is untrue, and even if it is, is completely ridiculous.  Think about what you're saying -

She had an attorney from the get-go. (false, but we'll go with it)
Decides to press charges (false, but again, we'll go with it).
Police engage in secret coverup because saving the career of a freshman college football player is worth their own career.
Attorney "never hears back".
Thirteen months go by, attorney finally says "okay, the alleged victim has moved out of state and over a year has passed, I better see how this investigation is going."

I'm not defending her, I think she's a liar, the problem is their procedure needs to be updated. Like my old boss used to write on every paper 'cyoa' which just means document everything to 'cover your ass'.

Read the police report.
 
2013-12-06 08:51:58 AM  
School  Team A   Team B   Team C   Team D   Team E
  Opp. Winning Percentage  .506  .496  .604  .493  .569
  Total Margin of Victory (Season)  259  238  134  464  188
  Margin of Victory per Game  23.54  23.80  12.18  42.18  17.09
  Current BCS Top 25 Opp.  2  3  5  2  4
  Coaches' Top 25 Opp. At Time  3  4  6  4  6
  Top 50 BCS Opp. Played  4  6  8  2  6
  Sub-75 BCS Opp. Played  3  4  2  4  1
  Avg. Current BCS Rank of Opp.  59.25  57.00  41.75  62.16  46.66


Once you take the names off the teams and you strip them of their current rankings (which have been impacted by their preseason rank), things boil down to a simple choice between two options.


Well, and once you take away their Win-Loss record.  That's kinda a big omission.
 
2013-12-06 09:56:47 AM  

lennavan: School  Team A   Team B   Team C   Team D   Team E
  Opp. Winning Percentage  .506  .496  .604  .493  .569
  Total Margin of Victory (Season)  259  238  134  464  188
  Margin of Victory per Game  23.54  23.80  12.18  42.18  17.09
  Current BCS Top 25 Opp.  2  3  5  2  4
  Coaches' Top 25 Opp. At Time  3  4  6  4  6
  Top 50 BCS Opp. Played  4  6  8  2  6
  Sub-75 BCS Opp. Played  3  4  2  4  1
  Avg. Current BCS Rank of Opp.  59.25  57.00  41.75  62.16  46.66

Once you take the names off the teams and you strip them of their current rankings (which have been impacted by their preseason rank), things boil down to a simple choice between two options.

Well, and once you take away their Win-Loss record.  That's kinda a big omission.


His "Margin of Victory per Game" has one HUGE flaw. He reduces the points in the losses, but then only divides by the total wins. So, if a team completely blew out an FCS school as like 50-1, and lost 11 more games by a few points apiece, they would have an amazing margin of victory per game. He needs to divide that number by the total number of games. For Alabama, he only divided by 10 instead of 11, again trying to keep consistent with his math.

Just for grins I compiled ASUs stats and their numbers could easily put them in the #2 spot:
Opp. Winning Percentage .5931
Total Margin of Victory (Season) 221
Margin of Victory per Game 22.1 (by his math), or 18.41 by real math
Current BCS Top 25 Opp. 3
Coaches' Top 25 Opp. At Time 4
Top 50 BCS Opp. Played 7
Sub-75 BCS Opp. Played 2
Avg. Current BCS Rank of Opp. 41.6

So yeah, he's an SEC Homer.
 
2013-12-06 09:59:11 AM  

I'm Gonna Git You Sucka: So how bad does OSU get beat by FSU?  It might just get as bad as last year.


Well, Clemson and Ohio St are nearly identical in terms of points and total yards allowed.  Ohio St allows a lot more of their yards in the air, though.  I'd say smart money says FSU puts up 45+ on them and lets in about ~20.
 
2013-12-06 10:11:04 AM  

Ponzholio: Team F

Opp. Win Percentage- .6738
Total margin of victory- 204
Margin of victory per game- 17
Current BCS top 25- 6
Top 25 at time- 5
Top 50 BCS- 7
Sub 75 BCS- 5

That's right, your 6-6 Mississippi State Bulldogs should be playing for the national championship. They played 6 top 25 BCS schools... sure they lost them all, but that's beside the point, however they did beat #37 ranked Bowling Green by 1 point. But they beat the crap out of Troy and Alcorn State to pump up their margin of victory stats.


You're under selling it man. According to the math at the site, the Margin of Victory per game of the Bulldogs is 34. He's only dividing the margin of victory by the total number of wins, not the total number of games.
 
2013-12-06 10:30:58 AM  

flak attack: 8 teams.  SEC, Big #, Pac 12 and ACC conference winners + 3 wildcards, chosen with the BCS formula, max 1 wildcard per conference.  Seed by BCS standings.

For 2012, that would give:
(1) Notre Dame*
(2) Alabama
(3) Florida*
(4) Oregon*
(5) Kansas St
(6) Stanford
(12) FSU
(NR) Wisconsin

2011:
(1) LSU
(2) Alabama*
(3) Oklahoma St
(4) Stanford*
(5) Oregon
(7) Boise St.*
(10) Wisconsin
(15) Clemson

2010:
(1) Auburn
(2) Oregon
(3) TCU*
(4) Stanford*
(5) Wisconsin*
(6) Ohio St
(7) Oklahoma
(13) VT

Make it longer than 3 rounds and you're increasing the likelihood of injury to a player on a team that's actually a championship contender in a game against a team that really has no business being in the bracket.  Even as it is, some of these teams aren't serious contenders (2012 Wisconsin, I'm looking at you)


I like this. Just one very sad note - I read (13) VT as "Vermont". Doesn't say much for Va Tech's football program.
 
2013-12-06 01:22:56 PM  

flak attack: Well, Clemson and Ohio St are nearly identical in terms of points and total yards allowed.  Ohio St allows a lot more of their yards in the air, though.  I'd say smart money says FSU puts up 45+ on them and lets in about ~20.


Can't look at it that way, because they play different styles against different teams.  The advanced metrics that adjust for opponent say OSU is a bit better on offense (5th vs 17th), while Clemson is a bit better on defense (14th vs 27th).

(An aside:  Clemson's numbers on defense are wacky, because FSU and South Carolina each basically had Tajh Boyd lying in the fetal position by the end of the game.  Can't really fault CU's D when the QB is turning the ball over constantly in their only two losses.)

Getting back to the advanced metrics:  It doesn't make a lot of sense to say -- taking an extreme example -- that all Pac-12 defenses are shiat based on total yards.  Some of them are shiat, some aren't, but total yards is worthless in evaluating it.  When your opponents run more hurry-up, there's going to be more plays/possessions, so you're going to give up more yards in total over the season.
 
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