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(Some Guy)   Blind resume test for the five NCAA BCS Championship contenders. I figured no one had been fighting over this for like, an hour, so what the heck, let's drag it back up again, right?   (mrsec.com) divider line 175
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2013-12-05 03:35:04 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: jasimo: Fark has gone to the dogs. The Jameis decision, the biggest sports news all week, comes down an hour ago and Fark has neither a Breaking News nor a Sports thread on it.

I submitted a Breaking News link on it. Nothing.

I kept checking back to see if there is going to be one.  I guess not.


Anybody watching the press conference? Winston's lawyer is talking now. Some really interesting stuff.
 
2013-12-05 03:37:14 PM  
This is why you don't want a playoff.
There are 4 NFL threads on fark today. 4 on the NBA (3 about the Knicks). One on hockey. And 4 on College football.

The NFL threads combined still don't have as many posts as this thread.

The Polls, the BCS, the ambiguity give us something to talk about.
 
2013-12-05 03:37:18 PM  

steamingpile: Spaced Cowboy: The blind resume test i'd like to see is, once all the ESPN hype is stripped away, does the 1 loss team with the top defense in the country still land at a laughable #10 or do they rightfully fall in the top 5 like they damn well should.

Again, quality of opponent comes into play, get back to us if they beat OSU or hold them to under 350 yards, the SEC took a beating this year because their conference is obviously down but that doesnt mean the big 10 cant take their beating because their conference is still down further than it was last year.


Losses matter.  A lot.  Multiple losses don't get to be waved away because you feel in your gut that someone else didn't play good enough.  The teams ahead of MSU have much uglier losses to far worse teams than MSU's loss (note the singular loss there) and those other teams all lost their games more recently than Sparty's September hiccup.   There is virtually no legit way that Sparty lands at #10 with their resume when compared to any of those 3.  Unless of course you have a multi-billion dollar hype machine that utterly dominates the conversation and greatly sways all future rankings by essentially telling every voter exactly how their preseason rankings should look.

The Big Ten's 3rd best team for all intents and purposes beat a team who may very well win the Pac 12 this weekend, if not for one of the most botched ref jobs I've ever seen.  That doesn't sound like something a weak conference does.  Perhaps the news of the Big 10's demise is a bit overstated.  Despite Iowa and Wisconsin having to play one of the most potent offenses in the country, they still boast top 10 defenses and Sparty will likely hold on to a top 5 spot despite what Ohio State does to them.  You can't just handwave that kind of stuff away because you don't like it.

Since you want to talk resumes, who the hell as South Carolina beat to justify a top 10 ranking with 2 losses?  Mizzou and.... mizzou and.... mizzou and..... no one.  Does a 3 point overtime win against Mizzou's backup freshman QB objectively negate 2 losses to mediocre/bad teams?  Only in SEC land.  Back here in reality, the answer is no.  No it does not negate those horrible blemishes on the gamecock's record.
 
2013-12-05 03:38:10 PM  

meanmutton: Quality is irrelevant. They're the 3rd place team in their conference. I don't care if they're better than the best team in another conference -- they're not the best team in their conference and thus have no business being eligible for a national championship.


And I'd make the counter argument - those other conference champions have no business playing for a national championship if they're worse than #3 of another conference.  That just leaves you with even further narrowing the field.
 
2013-12-05 03:41:31 PM  

RminusQ: Bad Man Jose: RminusQ: Fizpez:
#-Just like the NCAA basketball tournament, I adjust the bracket to avoid conference and repeat matchups in early rounds, so Missouri doesn't go in the same quarter as Auburn.

So we can still end up with an all-SEC final.  Sounds legit

If they beat the champions of other conferences, they will have earned it on the field.


If they earn the 16th seed, they should play the 1, no matter if they are from the same conference.
 
2013-12-05 03:42:02 PM  

flak attack: Spaced Cowboy: does the 1 loss team with the top defense in the country still land at a laughable #10 or do they rightfully fall in the top 5 like they damn well should.

FSU already is ranked #1.


LOLWUT.  FSU is now a 1 loss team with the best defense in the country?  Pretty sure they are neither of those things.  I've seen FSU as high as #4 in total defense, but they play in the freaking ACC against a pile of incredibly bad offenses.
 
2013-12-05 03:42:23 PM  
The Polls, the BCS, the ambiguity give us something to talk about.


That whole Penn State/Jerry Sandusky thing was great for talking about too! Controversy is fascinating!
 
2013-12-05 03:47:03 PM  

steamingpile: supageil: I dunno, because it really farking matters to tens of thousands of students and fans?

And should be part of a larger conversation on athletes' treatment, media bias, how this country deals with rape accusations, sexism, racism, and the deep suckitude of the TPD?

Or you could argue how much special treatment athletes get when in school? It looks worse when they were in an undefeated season and most of the biggest questions people have is if he would have been arrested if they were a 4 loss team.

flak attack: FSU already is ranked #1.

He means YPG which is Mich State, problem is they only played or two defenses in the top 70 in the nation so that holds little weight, FSU just played a bunch of bad red zone teams.


Michigan St has the ball for over 3 more minutes a game than FSU does.  FSU's offense walks on the field, scores in two plays (slight exaggeration), then walks off again.  That's basically a full extra drive FSU has to face per game.
 
2013-12-05 03:47:09 PM  

ongbok: JusticeandIndependence: jasimo: Fark has gone to the dogs. The Jameis decision, the biggest sports news all week, comes down an hour ago and Fark has neither a Breaking News nor a Sports thread on it.

I submitted a Breaking News link on it. Nothing.

I kept checking back to see if there is going to be one.  I guess not.

Anybody watching the press conference? Winston's lawyer is talking now. Some really interesting stuff.


Can't at work, but reading a little more about the presser today....

He did reveal some new facts, saying that while Winston's DNA was present in the sexual assault kit, the DNA of another male was also found, complicating the investigation. That person was identified as the accuser's boyfriend, and he was not associated with the complaint, Meggs said.

It could be a scenario where she cheated on her boyfriend and got caught.

Or rape.

Who knows at this point?
 
2013-12-05 03:47:25 PM  

Komplex: This is why you don't want a playoff.
There are 4 NFL threads on fark today. 4 on the NBA (3 about the Knicks). One on hockey. And 4 on College football.

The NFL threads combined still don't have as many posts as this thread.

The Polls, the BCS, the ambiguity give us something to talk about.


I'd rather have worthwhile sports to watch than worthless sports to talk about.
 
2013-12-05 03:48:32 PM  

Patronick313: The four team playoff next year is a step in the right direction. A 12 team playoff would be the ideal format IMO.

Top four get a bye. 5-8 host 9-12 on campus.

1-4 host the winners on campus.

Semifinals and finals are held like bowls (Sugar, Orange, Fiesta...whatever).


My preference, too. And everybody else could still have all the other irrelevant bowl games they like.
 
2013-12-05 03:49:27 PM  

Khellendros: meanmutton: Quality is irrelevant. They're the 3rd place team in their conference. I don't care if they're better than the best team in another conference -- they're not the best team in their conference and thus have no business being eligible for a national championship.

And I'd make the counter argument - those other conference champions have no business playing for a national championship if they're worse than #3 of another conference.  That just leaves you with even further narrowing the field.


That's not unreasonable, really, but to me the biggest travesty is the injection of subjectivity into the equation when you can make it 100% on the field performance with no subjectivity by just having a tournament of conference winners.  I understand, though, that I'm in the minority and for some reason the vast majority of college football fans enjoy having some mysterious cabal decide who gets to play for a national championship.
 
2013-12-05 03:50:22 PM  

Ponzholio: Team F

Opp. Win Percentage- .6738
Total margin of victory- 204
Margin of victory per game- 17
Current BCS top 25- 6
Top 25 at time- 5
Top 50 BCS- 7
Sub 75 BCS- 5

That's right, your 6-6 Mississippi State Bulldogs should be playing for the national championship. They played 6 top 25 BCS schools... sure they lost them all, but that's beside the point, however they did beat #37 ranked Bowling Green by 1 point. But they beat the crap out of Troy and Alcorn State to pump up their margin of victory stats.


Ah, I see someone's taken care of this.
 
2013-12-05 03:50:34 PM  

Spaced Cowboy: flak attack: Spaced Cowboy: does the 1 loss team with the top defense in the country still land at a laughable #10 or do they rightfully fall in the top 5 like they damn well should.

FSU already is ranked #1.

LOLWUT.  FSU is now a 1 loss team with the best defense in the country?  Pretty sure they are neither of those things.  I've seen FSU as high as #4 in total defense, but they play in the freaking ACC against a pile of incredibly bad offenses.


I overlooked the whole 1 loss thing.  That said, either total yardage allowed a less reliable measure of defense skill than points or Houston has the 3rd best defense in the NFL.
 
2013-12-05 03:54:45 PM  
As someone who is not a fan of tOSU can I just say that I hope they win this whole thing especially against a 1 loss SEC team to just finish this whole we have a beauty pageant national championship sooner rather than later.  Personally I want an extended playoff with all the conference champions represented plus a few at large teams, but mostly I want a team from a minor conference like Boise State (or in the past TCU or Utah) to blow the whole thing up.  I am sick of the "we play in X conference so we are automatically better" (mostly looking at you SEC) and just want it determined on the field.  Yes a "worse" team can win, but that is what would make it so fun and quite frankly if you can't beat them then stop your whining.
 
2013-12-05 03:56:11 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: ongbok: JusticeandIndependence: jasimo: Fark has gone to the dogs. The Jameis decision, the biggest sports news all week, comes down an hour ago and Fark has neither a Breaking News nor a Sports thread on it.

I submitted a Breaking News link on it. Nothing.

I kept checking back to see if there is going to be one.  I guess not.

Anybody watching the press conference? Winston's lawyer is talking now. Some really interesting stuff.

Can't at work, but reading a little more about the presser today....

He did reveal some new facts, saying that while Winston's DNA was present in the sexual assault kit, the DNA of another male was also found, complicating the investigation. That person was identified as the accuser's boyfriend, and he was not associated with the complaint, Meggs said.

It could be a scenario where she cheated on her boyfriend and got caught.

Or rape.

Who knows at this point?


What I found really interesting is that when the State Attorney was asked directly by a reporter if he thought that the accuser was credible he did everything he could to dance around it. He never said yes and then he went on to explain that there was major discrepancies in her story and she couldn't remember important details. And when asked why he though she had these problems with her story, he said he didn't know, and made it perfectly clear that there weren't any drugs found in her system and she wasn't intoxicated to the point that she would have any memory loss. The guy did everything he could to keep from saying that she lied.
 
2013-12-05 04:00:56 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: ongbok: JusticeandIndependence: jasimo: Fark has gone to the dogs. The Jameis decision, the biggest sports news all week, comes down an hour ago and Fark has neither a Breaking News nor a Sports thread on it.

I submitted a Breaking News link on it. Nothing.

I kept checking back to see if there is going to be one.  I guess not.

Anybody watching the press conference? Winston's lawyer is talking now. Some really interesting stuff.

Can't at work, but reading a little more about the presser today....

He did reveal some new facts, saying that while Winston's DNA was present in the sexual assault kit, the DNA of another male was also found, complicating the investigation. That person was identified as the accuser's boyfriend, and he was not associated with the complaint, Meggs said.

It could be a scenario where she cheated on her boyfriend and got caught.

Or rape.

Who knows at this point?


She reported the rape within an hour of it happening.  Not exactly a lot of time for this to happen.
 
2013-12-05 04:03:33 PM  
Apparently a friend of the accusers is the one who called the cops.

Also, fwiw:
http://www.tmz.com/2013/12/05/jameis-winston-friends-oral-sex-more-t ha n-willing/
 
2013-12-05 04:04:18 PM  

meanmutton: That's not unreasonable, really, but to me the biggest travesty is the injection of subjectivity into the equation when you can make it 100% on the field performance with no subjectivity by just having a tournament of conference winners. I understand, though, that I'm in the minority and for some reason the vast majority of college football fans enjoy having some mysterious cabal decide who gets to play for a national championship.


Actually, the current scheduling makes it numerically impossible to rank without a LOT subjectivity.  Ten games across 120 teams doesn't come anywhere near being able to feasibly rank the top 10 or 20 teams based only on on-field performance.  Adding in conference requirements and boundaries (which are arbitrary and further reduce the effectiveness of on-field performance), and you just can't do it without starting with a human poll and artifically constructing a SoS and ordering teams based on subjective criteria.  The sample of games is way too small.  You'd need to randomize matchups across the entire country, and have an 18 - 20 game season to even come close.

Conference winners are utterly arbitrary.  They don't enforce any level of randomness, nor do they go the opposite way and create tiered leagues of quality.  They reduce team evaluation by a huge margin.  Using them as any basis of comparison is a fallacy if your goal is to match top teams.  You'd need even more subjectivity to make that system work.
 
2013-12-05 04:06:27 PM  

meanmutton: She reported the rape within an hour of it happening.  Not exactly a lot of time for this to happen.


Her story is full of holes at this point.  She didn't even identify Winston as the rapist at first.

Last week, Tallahassee police issued a timeline of the case and defended their handling of the investigation. According to the timeline, TPD said the woman didn't identify Winston as her alleged attacker until Jan. 10, more than a month after the incident. Tallahassee police said evidence from the woman's rape kit was sent to the state crime lab on Jan. 15, and Winston declined to be interviewed by police on Jan. 23.
 
2013-12-05 04:10:58 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: meanmutton: She reported the rape within an hour of it happening.  Not exactly a lot of time for this to happen.

Her story is full of holes at this point.  She didn't even identify Winston as the rapist at first.

Last week, Tallahassee police issued a timeline of the case and defended their handling of the investigation. According to the timeline, TPD said the woman didn't identify Winston as her alleged attacker until Jan. 10, more than a month after the incident. Tallahassee police said evidence from the woman's rape kit was sent to the state crime lab on Jan. 15, and Winston declined to be interviewed by police on Jan. 23.


She didn't know who he was at the time.  How does that create make it less likely that it wasn't a consensual act?  Seems to me that makes it more likely, if anything.
 
2013-12-05 04:15:57 PM  

meanmutton: JusticeandIndependence: meanmutton: She reported the rape within an hour of it happening.  Not exactly a lot of time for this to happen.

Her story is full of holes at this point.  She didn't even identify Winston as the rapist at first.

Last week, Tallahassee police issued a timeline of the case and defended their handling of the investigation. According to the timeline, TPD said the woman didn't identify Winston as her alleged attacker until Jan. 10, more than a month after the incident. Tallahassee police said evidence from the woman's rape kit was sent to the state crime lab on Jan. 15, and Winston declined to be interviewed by police on Jan. 23.

She didn't know who he was at the time.  How does that create make it less likely that it wasn't a consensual act?  Seems to me that makes it more likely, if anything.


Because she her story changed and changed and changed.  Who knows what happened?  She even doesn't....

Search warrants in the case were released before Meggs' announcement and indicate the woman told police she was raped at an apartment after a night of drinking at a bar. In the warrant, the accuser says she and friends had shots at Potbellys and her "memory is very broken from that point forward."
Meggs said that toxicology reports show the accuser had a blood alcohol level of .04 and that there was no evidence of drugs, including what are commonly referred to as date rape drugs.


I'm not saying she was or wasn't and I have no fan affiliation to FSU.  It just seems like she couldn't provide enough details to investigators about what happened.....if you believe what was released by authorities.
 
2013-12-05 04:16:24 PM  

meanmutton: BiffDangler: It's actually a very thoughtfully written article and I agree 100%.  If Auburn wins this week they should most def. be in the title game.

It's a rationalization that excludes the single most important reason why Auburn doesn't deserve to be in that game.


But that's the point. Maybe the most important reason might be relatively unimportait this time. Based on those stats, I'd say c vs. e for the final match, before I saw the teams. But nobody wants to see the sec finals twice, and this is coming from an lsu fan.

But these stats also tell us that any sec team in the final would probably crush the opponent.
 
2013-12-05 04:31:08 PM  

Spaced Cowboy: steamingpile: Spaced Cowboy: The blind resume test i'd like to see is, once all the ESPN hype is stripped away, does the 1 loss team with the top defense in the country still land at a laughable #10 or do they rightfully fall in the top 5 like they damn well should.

Again, quality of opponent comes into play, get back to us if they beat OSU or hold them to under 350 yards, the SEC took a beating this year because their conference is obviously down but that doesnt mean the big 10 cant take their beating because their conference is still down further than it was last year.

Losses matter.  A lot.  Multiple losses don't get to be waved away because you feel in your gut that someone else didn't play good enough.  The teams ahead of MSU have much uglier losses to far worse teams than MSU's loss (note the singular loss there) and those other teams all lost their games more recently than Sparty's September hiccup.   There is virtually no legit way that Sparty lands at #10 with their resume when compared to any of those 3.  Unless of course you have a multi-billion dollar hype machine that utterly dominates the conversation and greatly sways all future rankings by essentially telling every voter exactly how their preseason rankings should look.

The Big Ten's 3rd best team for all intents and purposes beat a team who may very well win the Pac 12 this weekend, if not for one of the most botched ref jobs I've ever seen.  That doesn't sound like something a weak conference does.  Perhaps the news of the Big 10's demise is a bit overstated.  Despite Iowa and Wisconsin having to play one of the most potent offenses in the country, they still boast top 10 defenses and Sparty will likely hold on to a top 5 spot despite what Ohio State does to them.  You can't just handwave that kind of stuff away because you don't like it.

Since you want to talk resumes, who the hell as South Carolina beat to justify a top 10 ranking with 2 losses?  Mizzou and.... mizzou and.... mizzou and..... no one.  Does a 3 point overtime win against Mizzou's backup freshman QB objectively negate 2 losses to mediocre/bad teams?  Only in SEC land.  Back here in reality, the answer is no.  No it does not negate those horrible blemishes on the gamecock's record.


You lost to a shiatty ND team who got their asses kicked by every other decent team they played.
 
2013-12-05 04:34:14 PM  

Spaced Cowboy: flak attack: Spaced Cowboy: does the 1 loss team with the top defense in the country still land at a laughable #10 or do they rightfully fall in the top 5 like they damn well should.

FSU already is ranked #1.

LOLWUT.  FSU is now a 1 loss team with the best defense in the country?  Pretty sure they are neither of those things.  I've seen FSU as high as #4 in total defense, but they play in the freaking ACC against a pile of incredibly bad offenses.


Most of those offenses are ranked ahead of anything MSU played, you may want to rethink that argument, Mich St played teams outside of the top 40-50 and I saw 2-3 in the top 25 just glancing at FSUs teams.

You have now made me defend FSU and Mizzou, I need another shower.
 
2013-12-05 04:38:11 PM  

steamingpile: You lost to a shiatty ND team who got their asses kicked by every other decent team they played.


That's not really true.  They lost by a touchdown at Stanford, they're obviously a decent team.  They beat Arizona State, who doesn't stink.  Also beat post-Kiffin USC.  Of course, there's also the loss to Pitt on there, and a close game with wretched Purdue, so who the hell knows.
 
2013-12-05 04:48:37 PM  
I have a solution.  Let's just stop all the bickering and set up a national championship game between LSU and Duke.  Winner take all.
 
2013-12-05 04:48:47 PM  
here's something I stumbled across

Dec 7th 2012: general outline of events....though I'd share with alumni. Reply
It took place at JW apartment legacy suites. The girl lived in Kellum hall. She placed the call from Kellum hall meaning she got back to her dorm from his place (20 min walk). Jameis and Casher met them at Purgatory Thursdays at Potbellys (10 dollar AYCD). It was a one night stand kind of thing. they never meet before that night. There is text between her and her friend saying come out to Potbellys and hook up with these hot black guys. She has a history of hooking up with black guys.... Anyway they left to his place in cab from pots. Casher took pics or a vid which pissed her off. Jameis kicked her out because Breion was flying in and she got back to Kellum pissed and made the call. She apparently broke a few things on her way out. She knew jameis name but decided that leading cops to the apartment wasn't smart b/c she would get exposed. Once her family found out she had to keep up the lie and family pushed it to go through. She didnt want to pursue as she knew it as a lie. Meggs interviewed her and her story fell apart. The second witness other than Casher is believed to be a friend of hers who took part in a threesome with Jameis. The second witness identity is what has been hardest to come by and is my only not 100% fact. Some rumblings #2 is another player but I believe that is false. It isn't her roommate either who was out of town for the week. This girl is likely the girl who sent the text to her earlier and Introduced her to Jameis. This is as close to the truth as I have been able to get.

*** I will add though that there are rumblings of her claiming (at some point) two attackers because her panties came up with multiple Semen samples and she did not want to admit to sex with another boy (different night) to her parents.
**** also girl originally insulated she was potential drugged(another lie) TOX came back clean and she was also sober.


Fap
 
2013-12-05 04:58:22 PM  

steamingpile: Spaced Cowboy: flak attack: Spaced Cowboy: does the 1 loss team with the top defense in the country still land at a laughable #10 or do they rightfully fall in the top 5 like they damn well should.

FSU already is ranked #1.

LOLWUT.  FSU is now a 1 loss team with the best defense in the country?  Pretty sure they are neither of those things.  I've seen FSU as high as #4 in total defense, but they play in the freaking ACC against a pile of incredibly bad offenses.

Most of those offenses are ranked ahead of anything MSU played, you may want to rethink that argument, Mich St played teams outside of the top 40-50 and I saw 2-3 in the top 25 just glancing at FSUs teams.

You have now made me defend FSU and Mizzou, I need another shower.


First of all, the ACC has some of the most laughable defenses of any conference in the country, so offensive output is going to be skewed by virtue of there being nothing resembling actual defense played in that conference outside of FSU.  Secondly, you're either high as fark or incredibly stupid if you think FSU has played 2-3 great offenses.  They've played Clemson at #12 offensively, while MSU has #11 Indiana on their schedule so that's a wash.  The next best offense FSU faced is Miami sitting near 40 and then it's a who's who of rank 80 offenses.
 
2013-12-05 05:02:31 PM  

steamingpile: You lost to a shiatty ND team who got their asses kicked by every other decent team they played.


Stanford lost to worse and lost twice at that, SC lost to worse and lost twice as well.  To steal your oft misused little phrase, do try to keep up.

Also, "YOU' lost?  I'm not an MSU fan.  fark the whole state of michigan as far as i'm concerned.  Objective analysis is pretty clear though.  MSU should be ranked ahead of Stanford and SC and Baylor.  Any other way to rank it is bullshiat based on hype and spin.  Period.  Full stop.
 
2013-12-05 05:09:14 PM  
Those numbers seem to indicate it should be Mizzou and FSU. Don't know why you'd put Ohio State above FSU...yeah, they played a slightly tougher schedule...but FSU beat their slate senseless while tOSU had half the margin of victory they did. Alabama sure looks weak in that list, though.
 
2013-12-05 05:12:00 PM  

Spaced Cowboy: steamingpile: Spaced Cowboy: flak attack: Spaced Cowboy: does the 1 loss team with the top defense in the country still land at a laughable #10 or do they rightfully fall in the top 5 like they damn well should.

FSU already is ranked #1.

LOLWUT.  FSU is now a 1 loss team with the best defense in the country?  Pretty sure they are neither of those things.  I've seen FSU as high as #4 in total defense, but they play in the freaking ACC against a pile of incredibly bad offenses.

Most of those offenses are ranked ahead of anything MSU played, you may want to rethink that argument, Mich St played teams outside of the top 40-50 and I saw 2-3 in the top 25 just glancing at FSUs teams.

You have now made me defend FSU and Mizzou, I need another shower.

First of all, the ACC has some of the most laughable defenses of any conference in the country, so offensive output is going to be skewed by virtue of there being nothing resembling actual defense played in that conference outside of FSU.  Secondly, you're either high as fark or incredibly stupid if you think FSU has played 2-3 great offenses.  They've played Clemson at #12 offensively, while MSU has #11 Indiana on their schedule so that's a wash.  The next best offense FSU faced is Miami sitting near 40 and then it's a who's who of rank 80 offenses.


Way to move the goalposts.....

Either way the big 10 does not have great teams or defenses this year so you're really arguing a point that you can't win. Fact remains using season stats Mich St is not the great defense you make them out to be.
 
2013-12-05 05:16:20 PM  

Spaced Cowboy: steamingpile: You lost to a shiatty ND team who got their asses kicked by every other decent team they played.

Stanford lost to worse and lost twice at that, SC lost to worse and lost twice as well.  To steal your oft misused little phrase, do try to keep up.

Also, "YOU' lost?  I'm not an MSU fan.  fark the whole state of michigan as far as i'm concerned.  Objective analysis is pretty clear though.  MSU should be ranked ahead of Stanford and SC and Baylor.  Any other way to rank it is bullshiat based on hype and spin.  Period.  Full stop.


I dont give a shiat who you root for but the weak big 10 is not strong enough to move them into the top 5 since I think any of the top 5 stomp Mich St.
 
2013-12-05 05:22:12 PM  

steamingpile: Spaced Cowboy: steamingpile: Spaced Cowboy: flak attack: Spaced Cowboy: does the 1 loss team with the top defense in the country still land at a laughable #10 or do they rightfully fall in the top 5 like they damn well should.

FSU already is ranked #1.

LOLWUT.  FSU is now a 1 loss team with the best defense in the country?  Pretty sure they are neither of those things.  I've seen FSU as high as #4 in total defense, but they play in the freaking ACC against a pile of incredibly bad offenses.

Most of those offenses are ranked ahead of anything MSU played, you may want to rethink that argument, Mich St played teams outside of the top 40-50 and I saw 2-3 in the top 25 just glancing at FSUs teams.

You have now made me defend FSU and Mizzou, I need another shower.

First of all, the ACC has some of the most laughable defenses of any conference in the country, so offensive output is going to be skewed by virtue of there being nothing resembling actual defense played in that conference outside of FSU.  Secondly, you're either high as fark or incredibly stupid if you think FSU has played 2-3 great offenses.  They've played Clemson at #12 offensively, while MSU has #11 Indiana on their schedule so that's a wash.  The next best offense FSU faced is Miami sitting near 40 and then it's a who's who of rank 80 offenses.

Way to move the goalposts.....

Either way the big 10 does not have great teams or defenses this year so you're really arguing a point that you can't win. Fact remains using season stats Mich St is not the great defense you make them out to be.


How is contradicting your completely false assertions moving the goalposts?  You claimed that FSU faced multiple top offenses and Sparty did not.  You were wrong.  The goalposts are right where they've always been, you just missed the kick as usual, to the surprise of absolutely no one.
 
2013-12-05 05:32:26 PM  
Jameis Winston still a non story
 
2013-12-05 05:37:58 PM  

doubled99: Jameis Winston still a non story


How do you figure?


Interesting. An excerpt regarding Casher's statement from the official report:

Once back at their apartment (Casher and Winston were roommates), the female and Winston went into Winston's bedroom. After about 10 minutes Casher and Darby peeked in the room and saw the fem.ale performing oral sex on Winston. Casher stated the door to Winston's room was broken and did not latch closed. A few minutes later he watched as the female and Winston removed their own clothing and climbed on the bed and began to engage in sexual activity. Casher stated he went into the room to see if the female would engage in sexual activity with him as well (as has happened with other females he and Winston have brought back to their apartment); however, the female saw him and told him to get out. A little while later, Casher stated he tried to video tape Winston and the female; however, when the female saw him she again told him to leave. The female then turned off the light and went with Winston into the bathroom.
 
2013-12-05 05:41:26 PM  

jasimo: doubled99: Jameis Winston still a non story

How do you figure?



I'm guessing he means "still not a greenlit headline"
 
2013-12-05 05:43:48 PM  

Spaced Cowboy: steamingpile: Spaced Cowboy: steamingpile: Spaced Cowboy: flak attack: Spaced Cowboy: does the 1 loss team with the top defense in the country still land at a laughable #10 or do they rightfully fall in the top 5 like they damn well should.

FSU already is ranked #1.

LOLWUT.  FSU is now a 1 loss team with the best defense in the country?  Pretty sure they are neither of those things.  I've seen FSU as high as #4 in total defense, but they play in the freaking ACC against a pile of incredibly bad offenses.

Most of those offenses are ranked ahead of anything MSU played, you may want to rethink that argument, Mich St played teams outside of the top 40-50 and I saw 2-3 in the top 25 just glancing at FSUs teams.

You have now made me defend FSU and Mizzou, I need another shower.

First of all, the ACC has some of the most laughable defenses of any conference in the country, so offensive output is going to be skewed by virtue of there being nothing resembling actual defense played in that conference outside of FSU.  Secondly, you're either high as fark or incredibly stupid if you think FSU has played 2-3 great offenses.  They've played Clemson at #12 offensively, while MSU has #11 Indiana on their schedule so that's a wash.  The next best offense FSU faced is Miami sitting near 40 and then it's a who's who of rank 80 offenses.

Way to move the goalposts.....

Either way the big 10 does not have great teams or defenses this year so you're really arguing a point that you can't win. Fact remains using season stats Mich St is not the great defense you make them out to be.

How is contradicting your completely false assertions moving the goalposts?  You claimed that FSU faced multiple top offenses and Sparty did not.  You were wrong.  The goalposts are right where they've always been, you just missed the kick as usual, to the surprise of absolutely no one.


No I didnt, I said using the same stats they faced more high powered offense, your assertion that means Mich St faced better offenses than the weak ACC.

You started arguing one way then changed, I didnt change shiat, my assertion is the big 10 is crap this year and that hasn't been disputed.
 
2013-12-05 05:45:07 PM  

Spaced Cowboy: MSU should be ranked ahead of Stanford and SC and Baylor.  Any other way to rank it is bullshiat based on hype and spin.  Period.  Full stop.


Stanford and SC both have two losses but Baylor and MSU both only have one loss each... when you consider that Baylor lost to a stronger opponent and plays in a stronger conference it is not hard to understand why they are ranked ahead of MSU.
 
2013-12-05 05:48:35 PM  

steamingpile: Spaced Cowboy: steamingpile: You lost to a shiatty ND team who got their asses kicked by every other decent team they played.

Stanford lost to worse and lost twice at that, SC lost to worse and lost twice as well.  To steal your oft misused little phrase, do try to keep up.

Also, "YOU' lost?  I'm not an MSU fan.  fark the whole state of michigan as far as i'm concerned.  Objective analysis is pretty clear though.  MSU should be ranked ahead of Stanford and SC and Baylor.  Any other way to rank it is bullshiat based on hype and spin.  Period.  Full stop.

I dont give a shiat who you root for but the weak big 10 is not strong enough to move them into the top 5 since I think any of the top 5 stomp Mich St.


Oh well since the single most incorrect guy on all of Fark Sports has a gut feeling that MSU is bad, that settles it.  Most people would have to put a lot of effort into being as frequently wrong as you are.  It's a pretty safe bet to just take the opposite of what you're spewing and slap a truth label on it.  Odds would certainly favor that approach.
 
2013-12-05 05:50:43 PM  

wxboy: jasimo: doubled99: Jameis Winston still a non story

How do you figure?


I'm guessing he means "still not a greenlit headline"


Ah. Brain not work some time.

It IS incredible that Fark, a discussion/opinion site, doesn't have a greenlit thread on such a gigantic story four hours after it broke. Probably illustrative of why I hardly ever visit here anymore. Get your heads out of your asses, mods.
 
2013-12-05 05:53:32 PM  

Spaced Cowboy: You are Georgia Bulldawg troll so therefore I am correct.


wow, you are good... you should try the Politics tab, they'd love you!
 
2013-12-05 05:57:39 PM  

Spaced Cowboy: steamingpile: Spaced Cowboy: steamingpile: You lost to a shiatty ND team who got their asses kicked by every other decent team they played.

Stanford lost to worse and lost twice at that, SC lost to worse and lost twice as well.  To steal your oft misused little phrase, do try to keep up.

Also, "YOU' lost?  I'm not an MSU fan.  fark the whole state of michigan as far as i'm concerned.  Objective analysis is pretty clear though.  MSU should be ranked ahead of Stanford and SC and Baylor.  Any other way to rank it is bullshiat based on hype and spin.  Period.  Full stop.

I dont give a shiat who you root for but the weak big 10 is not strong enough to move them into the top 5 since I think any of the top 5 stomp Mich St.

Oh well since the single most incorrect guy on all of Fark Sports has a gut feeling that MSU is bad, that settles it.  Most people would have to put a lot of effort into being as frequently wrong as you are.  It's a pretty safe bet to just take the opposite of what you're spewing and slap a truth label on it.  Odds would certainly favor that approach.


They lost to a shiatty ND and that defense you are touting put up almost 400 yards against them, 150 yards over their average.

Quit acting like their defense is some kind of brick wall and worthy of jumping into the top 5 just to help OSU. They are butt average in a year when the big 10 is shiatty, christ just admit it and move on, your continued defense after your argument has been torn apart just reinforces that you're trying to convince yourself.
 
2013-12-05 06:00:30 PM  

jasimo: It IS incredible that Fark, a discussion/opinion site, doesn't have a greenlit thread on such a gigantic story four hours after it broke. Probably illustrative of why I hardly ever visit here anymore. Get your heads out of your asses, mods.


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This is not news.  Dog Bits Man is not breaking news but Man Bits Dog well that will get some clicks.

It would be news if they prosecuted him.  Nobody expects a football-crazed town to charge the ever-present football player rapist.  ... You know the old song ....

Another Mikey took a knife while arguing in traffic
Flipper died a natural death he caught a nasty virus 
Then there was the ever-present football player rapist
They were all in love with dying they were doin' it in Texas 
Holly caught a bullet but it only hit his leg 
While it should have been a better shot he got him in the head 
They were all in love with dying they were drinkin' from a fountian 
That was pouring like an avalance coming down the mountian
 
2013-12-05 06:06:54 PM  
Fark gets  money through clicks.

This is a big story a lot of people are interested in and have been following.

It's stupid for them not to greenlight a story on this. There have been other Jameis threads, why not one on the news that he won't be charged.

To say that Fark only covers man-bites-dog stories is ridiculous.
 
2013-12-05 06:13:20 PM  

jasimo: Fark gets  money through clicks.

This is a big story a lot of people are interested in and have been following.

It's stupid for them not to greenlight a story on this. There have been other Jameis threads, why not one on the news that he won't be charged.

To say that Fark only covers man-bites-dog stories is ridiculous.


Nobody cares about FSU, its not nearly as big as Mandela dying.
 
2013-12-05 06:16:50 PM  

steamingpile: jasimo: Fark gets  money through clicks.

This is a big story a lot of people are interested in and have been following.

It's stupid for them not to greenlight a story on this. There have been other Jameis threads, why not one on the news that he won't be charged.

To say that Fark only covers man-bites-dog stories is ridiculous.

Nobody cares about FSU, its not nearly as big as Mandela dying.


There's that but also when this story broke there haven't been very many Fark green lights, at least not on the sports tab.
 
2013-12-05 06:16:50 PM  
Who's Mandela?
 
2013-12-05 06:18:48 PM  

jasimo: How do you figure?


Interesting. An excerpt regarding Casher's statement from the official report:

Once back at their apartment (Casher and Winston were roommates), the female and Winston went into Winston's bedroom. After about 10 minutes Casher and Darby peeked in the room and saw the fem.ale performing oral sex on Winston. Casher stated the door to Winston's room was broken and did not latch closed. A few minutes later he watched as the female and Winston removed their own clothing and climbed on the bed and began to engage in sexual activity. Casher stated he went into the room to see if the female would engage in sexual activity with him as well (as has happened with other females he and Winston have brought back to their apartment); however, the female saw him and told him to get out. A little while later, Casher stated he tried to video tape Winston and the female; however, when the female saw him she again told him to leave. The female then turned off the light and went with Winston into the bathroom.



It's a non-story because TPD has now released its documents on the case, and everybody can now see the girl was completely full of shiat.  She had multiple stories of the incident, all of which were completely torpedoed by the DNA results, toxicology reports and physical exam at the hospital.

The only story here is that a dumb college kid lied to the cops about farking a football player.  TPD not only didn't cover it up, its investigation was just fine.
 
2013-12-05 06:33:19 PM  

PluckYew: steamingpile: jasimo: Fark gets  money through clicks.

This is a big story a lot of people are interested in and have been following.

It's stupid for them not to greenlight a story on this. There have been other Jameis threads, why not one on the news that he won't be charged.

To say that Fark only covers man-bites-dog stories is ridiculous.

Nobody cares about FSU, its not nearly as big as Mandela dying.

There's that but also when this story broke there haven't been very many Fark green lights, at least not on the sports tab.


Well yeah but tpd didnt do themselves any favors by not communicating earlier in the year, the long wait seemed like a cover up right or not.

Now that more information has come out it seems like she's a ho who got caught when daddy thought she was a little princess.
 
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