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2013-12-05 12:26:50 AM
Can someone please explain to me why I'm supposed to be afraid of the Chinese?

I'd love to visit a "China-themed city" and not have to leave the US.

我喜欢中国人!
 
2013-12-05 12:28:31 AM

spawn73: crypticsatellite: I can't even begin to imagine that it is even being considered.

Yes, having foreign countries invest in yours is bad.

/sarcasm.


And, again, China only holds about EIGHT PERCENT of US debt. We could just give them Florida and probably be good.
 
2013-12-05 12:30:05 AM
China-themed 'city'

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2013-12-05 12:30:44 AM
If they can make it work without the planned taxpayer funding, then I have no problem with it.
 
2013-12-05 12:30:45 AM
What you don't often hear about the "OMG JAPAN" era is how American businessmen ripped them the fark off.  The Japanese were so eager to buy up properties and franchises that they would pay damn near anything.  Sony in particular was ripped off when they bought Columbia Pictures.  I don't know if they same thing is happening now, but given how the Wall Street investment banks fleeced the German banks during the subprime bust, it wouldn't surprise me at all if American businessmen are taking advantage of newly rich Chinese who have no experience with capitalism.  We may not do many things well anymore, but no one does vulture capitalism like the United States.
 
2013-12-05 12:33:49 AM

IntertubeUser: Can someone please explain to me why I'm supposed to be afraid of the Chinese?


They smoke oil before they cook in a wok, which leaves a sticky oil residue over all surfaces near your stove in your kitchen.

I literally had to throw out an 8 dollar kettle and an 11 dollar toaster once. It was horrendous.
 
2013-12-05 12:36:09 AM

jaytkay: In the Catskills? China has Jews?


Damnit, came here to post this.
 
2013-12-05 12:36:20 AM
Don't most large coastal cities already have these? Aren't they called "chinatowns"?
 
2013-12-05 12:38:30 AM
IntertubeUser:

I'd love to visit a "China-themed city" and not have to leave the US.

我喜欢中国人!



If it's anything like a Mainland Chinese city,  I'll pass.
 
2013-12-05 12:39:54 AM

miniflea: wildcardjack: Historically China has had a tendency to rise up, bureaucratize, and stagnate under a tyranny of the mandarinate. Then something goes to shiat, regions fracture, a little war with lots of innovation, then a new central authority rises, establishes a new mandarinate, and the whole thing starts over again.

The weird factor was when the latest mandarinate threw up their hands and said "go ahead and trade with the capitalists, we won't tell you how to do things".

I read something once about a theory that Europe emerged as dominant because they had a relatively even distribution of powers. No single state was able to suppress new ideas or technology if there was any military benefit. There was also something there about how having a largeish island nation helps, as it makes it much more difficult for a Napoleon or a Hitler from completely taking over.

Wish I could remember where I read that.


Hypothesis.

Guns, germs, and steel.
 
2013-12-05 12:41:00 AM
Count the batteries, mickey fickey.
 
2013-12-05 12:42:25 AM

Ishkur: Don't most large coastal cities already have these? Aren't they called "chinatowns"?


Unless my reading comprehension skills have failed me, it looks like it's going to be a cross between a Chinatown and an embassy.
 
2013-12-05 12:48:03 AM
This is a very perilous situation instead.
 
2013-12-05 12:49:04 AM
Ishkur:   Don't most large coastal cities already have these? Aren't they called "chinatowns"?


Most Chinatowns are overcrowded dumps in the run down part of town.   If you are a Chinese immigrant coming into this country and you have money - you aren't immigrating to Chinatown, you are moving to a nice suburb that has a larger Chinese (or Asian in general) population.  In LA, that's places like Montery Park, Irvine and Cerritos.

I suspect this project is sort of following that reasoning - but instead of the Chinese moving into an already established community - they're starting from scratch.
 
2013-12-05 12:50:53 AM

StoPPeRmobile: miniflea: wildcardjack: Historically China has had a tendency to rise up, bureaucratize, and stagnate under a tyranny of the mandarinate. Then something goes to shiat, regions fracture, a little war with lots of innovation, then a new central authority rises, establishes a new mandarinate, and the whole thing starts over again.

The weird factor was when the latest mandarinate threw up their hands and said "go ahead and trade with the capitalists, we won't tell you how to do things".

I read something once about a theory that Europe emerged as dominant because they had a relatively even distribution of powers. No single state was able to suppress new ideas or technology if there was any military benefit. There was also something there about how having a largeish island nation helps, as it makes it much more difficult for a Napoleon or a Hitler from completely taking over.

Wish I could remember where I read that.

Hypothesis.

Guns, germs, and steel.


That's the one!  Should see if I can find my copy.
 
2013-12-05 12:56:02 AM

fusillade762: spawn73: crypticsatellite: I can't even begin to imagine that it is even being considered.

Yes, having foreign countries invest in yours is bad.

/sarcasm.

And, again, China only holds about EIGHT PERCENT of US debt. We could just give them Florida and probably be good.


Or pay it back.
 
2013-12-05 12:58:58 AM
fusillade762:

And, again, China only holds about EIGHT PERCENT of US debt. We could just give them Florida and probably be good.

Run for Congress on this platform & you've got my vote.

/Several times, in true Jersey fashion.
 
2013-12-05 01:03:47 AM

spawn73: fusillade762: spawn73: crypticsatellite: I can't even begin to imagine that it is even being considered.

Yes, having foreign countries invest in yours is bad.

/sarcasm.

And, again, China only holds about EIGHT PERCENT of US debt. We could just give them Florida and probably be good.

Or pay it back.


imagemacros.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-12-05 01:06:21 AM
They will be farked as soon as there is a 3d printer in every bathroom.
 
2013-12-05 01:08:04 AM
Chinese Disneyland? Might be interesting....
 
2013-12-05 01:11:10 AM

Lsherm: If approved, every province in China would have an office there and foreign investors funding the development would receive green cards for their $500,000 checks under the EB-5 program designed to lure foreign investment,

Well, that might explain it.


Of course you can essentially buy a green card. Of course. 'Murica!
 
2013-12-05 01:13:07 AM
70 posts and still no mention of The China Probrem?

Fark, I am disappoint.
 
2013-12-05 01:27:16 AM

HawkEyes: Lsherm: If approved, every province in China would have an office there and foreign investors funding the development would receive green cards for their $500,000 checks under the EB-5 program designed to lure foreign investment,

Well, that might explain it.

Of course you can essentially buy a green card. Of course. 'Murica!


The US is hardly unique in allowing that.  You can even buy citizenship outright in some.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101198433
 
2013-12-05 01:29:35 AM

spawn73: crypticsatellite: I can't even begin to imagine that it is even being considered.

Yes, having foreign countries invest in yours is bad.

/sarcasm.


Except, unless I read the article incorrectly, it is not just investment; it is a way to get more Chinese nationals into the country outside the normal immigration channels.
 
2013-12-05 01:43:40 AM
Fine.  Let's throw those damn foreign investors out.   Starting with the Aussie who own Fox Nuisance.
 
2013-12-05 01:46:50 AM

crypticsatellite: spawn73: crypticsatellite: I can't even begin to imagine that it is even being considered.

Yes, having foreign countries invest in yours is bad.

/sarcasm.

Except, unless I read the article incorrectly, it is not just investment; it is a way to get more Chinese nationals into the country outside the normal immigration channels.


This is how the Chinese expand - not through iron and gunpowder but through assimilation and numbers. Once they find a suitable foreign land they migrate en masse, avoid assimilation, reproduce in large numbers, and eventually dominate the native population and culture with their exclusive social networks. Just look at Vancouver and any worthwhile university campus, is has already begun.

FIREFLY IS A PROPHECY, PEOPLE
 
2013-12-05 01:52:17 AM
So it will be a Chinese "themed" city for the new class of young, wealthy Chinese who want to get the hell out of China and move to the US without necessarily becoming US citizens?  So basically it will be a Chinese colony, right? That is, unless it's not going to be completely populated by Chinese ex-pats. What am I missing here?

I mean, I heard about Chinese "maternity mansions" in California about a year ago, so this is a thing, isn't it?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/chinese-women-pay-give-birth-california-mat er nity-mansion/story?id=17862251

/ so many questions
// so little information
// so much paranoia
/// so yeah, I guess the thought of it does kinda bug me
 
2013-12-05 02:21:22 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I heard last week they may rescind the one child policy

/that should help


What you probably heard is that they're rescinding it in cases where one parent is an only child. (Until now, you were only allowed two kids if both parents were only children, or in certain rural / farming-related cases.)
 
2013-12-05 03:32:46 AM

gweilo8888: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I heard last week they may rescind the one child policy

/that should help

What you probably heard is that they're rescinding it in cases where one parent is an only child. (Until now, you were only allowed two kids if both parents were only children, or in certain rural / farming-related cases.)


The big problem they're currently facing is thr culture created by the one-child policy. It's become so insanely expensive to get a child into competitive schools and programs that even those allowed to have 2 kids can't make it work.

Thus, easing the policy WILL NOT fix the problem. They'll have to take more drastic steps, like subsidizing education for second-children. I don't think it'll happen, though.
 
2013-12-05 05:53:35 AM

whidbey: What's Fox crying about now??


If this goes through, Fox News will get on board quick. All the investors will have to do is place a Nativity scene outside of every Chinese government office in this enclave, and ban all residents from ever saying "Happy Horidays!"
 
2013-12-05 06:14:14 AM
China is taking over the US.  The US is being moved there.  Hint - It's more about wealth creation apparatuses than crying eagle T-shirts and balloon shoes.
 
2013-12-05 06:15:59 AM
"isn't" I meant.  That would imply that they're somehow proactively trying to take from us that which we are handing them on a platter.
 
2013-12-05 06:26:24 AM
China has been paying attention to the last few hundred years of colonialism.

Not so cool story, Bro: How China almost ate Laos for a few million dollars...

Laos is a poor, agrarian nation with an absurdly corrupt government run by generals. China offered to build a high-speed north-to-south rail system for them running from China to Cambodia.

First off, there is zero reason Laos would want a high-speed rail. It's various regions have nothing to ship to each other, and it's people aren't going to be commuting hundreds of miles to work. There's a huge range of karst mountains running across the middle of it that would make even a slow freight rail line absurdly difficult just from a tunneling standpoint.

Secondly, all the work would go to Chinese contractors. So no benefit to Laos there either.

But here's what really made the deal "pinky-to-mouth EEEVIL...." The original deal was that China would get a zone 7 kilometers wide on either side of the proposed route with special political benefits for Chinese nationals... No taxes, unrestricted immigration.... *Whether or not the rail line ever got built.*

Basically China would own a tax-free strip of the country running from their own border to Cambodia, and fill it with their own people, and not have to actually do anything. Which means in a year or two they would effectively own the rest of the country.

Laotians found out and threatened enough heads on pikes that the "special economic zone" was dropped, but damned if they're still not talking about building the rail line.
 
2013-12-05 07:06:43 AM
Let me explain the long and mind intricacies of finance and commerce to you, for they are beyond the ken of the common layman.

"You got a lot of stuff, we want your stuff."

"You guys sell a lot of stuff, make your stuff here for cheap so the people running the sweatshops can buy Maseratis."

"You got a lot of stuff to make stuff out of.  Take these plastic beads and shiny objects in exchange for letting us occupy the place with all that stuff."

There.

See?

And you thought economics was difficult.
 
2013-12-05 07:12:25 AM

Gyrfalcon: RexTalionis: KrispyKritter: casinos for the Chinamen

Racist much?

My grandmother still calls Chinese "Chinamen."

She's 98, so you might smile politely at her ignorance. It covers the gritting sound of your teeth.


Be polite to granny. You may be a 98 year old day.
 
2013-12-05 07:18:35 AM
Wouldn't "Chinamen" be sexist?  I mean, Chinapersons" is OK, isn't it?  You have to put the hand wringing in the proper envelope.  : )
 
2013-12-05 07:44:58 AM
Remember something? Good times, good times.
 
2013-12-05 08:00:11 AM
Has accepted the contract to build the exterior wall system.

media.screened.com
 
2013-12-05 08:44:02 AM
Meanwhile, hiding in a bowl of rice.........

cdnl.complex.com
 
2013-12-05 09:33:30 AM
Hmm, I wonder if they would take New York in trade for 12 bucks off the debt.
 
2013-12-05 09:38:06 AM

Gyrfalcon: RexTalionis: KrispyKritter: casinos for the Chinamen

Racist much?

My grandmother still calls Chinese "Chinamen."

She's 98, so you might smile politely at her ignorance. It covers the gritting sound of your teeth.


No. It will not be ignored.

Grammas getting a swirly
 
2013-12-05 10:00:07 AM
Now if it was to be located in Detroit, there would be no problem at all...
 
2013-12-05 12:27:22 PM
Guess I should buy frachise rights to a bunch of Chinese Restaurants for that area and get building.  Ming Garden...Lotus Flower...etc.  One kitchen, six or seven 'different' outlets clustered around it, and cat delivery by pneumatic tube....

OK, I'm kidding about the cats.
 
2013-12-05 01:07:45 PM
If it turns out like other Chinese developments there will be a whole 3 permanent residents.
 
2013-12-05 02:15:25 PM
The website is hilarious. For one thing the entire site is done in poorly-made flash and has badly-edited music you can't turn off. There's also engrish everywhere, and the concept pictures are badly-made photoshops, shoddy cg mockups and stock photos of other places. It is ridiculously shoddy. I wouldn't be surprised if this was some sort of scam.
 
2013-12-05 02:27:47 PM
you already have Chinatown. STFU and let us borrow more money.
 
2013-12-05 02:30:13 PM
If they are taking over, it's likely in retaliation for this 1967 movie, Battle Beneath The Earth, and the fact that we didn't even bother to hire oriental actors to play their parts.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvUqe4zgySU
 
2013-12-05 03:34:52 PM

Rhino_man: The big problem they're currently facing is thr culture created by the one-child policy. It's become so insanely expensive to get a child into competitive schools and programs that even those allowed to have 2 kids can't make it work.


"Even those"? I would expect somebody who has two kids to find it harder to make work. They have twice as many kids to pay for.

Also, tuition costs in China are vastly lower than those in the US.

https://www.classbase.com/News/The-Cost-of-College-in-China-60

"Tuition costs in the United States, as compared to China, are more than 50% higher for students attending a public, open admission college."

"Approximately 25 million students in China pay an average of $400 to $2,200 a year in tuition (Includes instruction, room/board, and meals) to attend public and private institutions. The rates at China's private institutions vary greatly and many times surpass the average of $2,200. For example, to attend the University of Nottingham in Ningbo students pay $9,000 a year; this may be contributed to the earned degree being from the University of Nottingham in the United Kingdom, a highly respected educational institution. "

"The average cost for an undergraduate student to attend a four-year public university in the United States is approximately $6,500 per year and extends to greater than $12,000 per year with these costs covering only instructional costs. Less than 2% of public institutions in the United States have tuition fees of less than $3,000 per year."

Thus, easing the policy WILL NOT fix the problem. They'll have to take more drastic steps, like subsidizing education for second-children. I don't think it'll happen, though.

The biggest problems are social, not educational. The ratio of males to females in China is being skewed badly by one child and a preference for male children, and there are issues of children being abandoned or killed because they aren't the desired gender. And with an expected 30 million more men than women by the end of the decade, there will be problems with all the men who can't take part in normal family life. Add in the projections of a declining population -- meaning less youth to support more elderly people -- and you've got a ticking time bomb.
 
2013-12-05 07:53:40 PM
Getting US taxpayers to pony up for creating jobs for Chinese, and trashing a mountain range in the process: sounds plausible to me.
 
2013-12-05 07:58:11 PM

NewportBarGuy: They will not attack their trading partners


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