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2013-12-04 07:19:02 PM
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2013-12-04 07:37:33 PM
Wait, did he somehow get his name recorded on the deed?  If not, why was he not arrested for criminal trespassing?  Christ I had to get a lawyer to draw up a quitclaim to get my name OFF of a farking deed.
 
2013-12-04 07:44:17 PM

nekom: Wait, did he somehow get his name recorded on the deed?  If not, why was he not arrested for criminal trespassing?  Christ I had to get a lawyer to draw up a quitclaim to get my name OFF of a farking deed.


No, he filed a quiet title and squatted.  Some have done this successfully, but only after actual abandonment and long bank delays for foreclosure.  You can't do that for someone on vacation.
 
2013-12-04 07:45:36 PM
Number one, how the fark is this law *supposed* to work??
Number two...seriously, how the fark?  Why did he think he could do this legally?
 
2013-12-04 08:02:47 PM

FriarReb98: Number one, how the fark is this law *supposed* to work??
Number two...seriously, how the fark?  Why did he think he could do this legally?


There was a guy in Texas who did this successfully.

The way it works is there is a property where there is no clear owner.  For the case in Texas, the family was underwater and completely abandoned the home.  The bank lost the paperwork and could not show clear ownership of the mortgage and therefore could not foreclose.

The guy came in and filed an Adverse Possesion claim for the property. If he met all the requirements, he gets a clear title.

This genius invaded a house and filed a Quiet Title lawsuit, basically forcing the rightful owners of the property to prove they own it.
 
2013-12-04 08:05:25 PM

haemaker: FriarReb98: Number one, how the fark is this law *supposed* to work??
Number two...seriously, how the fark?  Why did he think he could do this legally?

There was a guy in Texas who did this successfully.

The way it works is there is a property where there is no clear owner.  For the case in Texas, the family was underwater and completely abandoned the home.  The bank lost the paperwork and could not show clear ownership of the mortgage and therefore could not foreclose.

The guy came in and filed an Adverse Possesion claim for the property. If he met all the requirements, he gets a clear title.

This genius invaded a house and filed a Quiet Title lawsuit, basically forcing the rightful owners of the property to prove they own it.


...and since he threw everything out, they could conceivably lose the physical title to the house?  I mean it's still farking crazy but I guess that might work?
 
2013-12-04 08:05:44 PM
I'd prove to him it's my house when my neighbors, friends, family, etc all call the cops when he shows up and force them to arrest him.

Holy shiat, after 21 years, do they have no friends?
 
2013-12-04 08:24:15 PM
That farker would have been shot when I got home.
 
2013-12-04 08:39:19 PM
There would have been a brick through a window and me chasing his ass out of the house while swinging an axe at his head if I came home to that.
 
2013-12-04 08:40:57 PM

doglover: I'd prove to him it's my house when my neighbors, friends, family, etc all call the cops when he shows up and force them to arrest him.

Holy shiat, after 21 years, do they have no friends?


I've heard stories about people not ever speaking to neighbors, but you'd think friends would back them up, as well as family.

Of course, court still costs money, doesn't it?
 
2013-12-04 08:41:40 PM
Funny, he doesn't look like a bank.
 
2013-12-04 08:41:49 PM
What the farking fark?! I think we have found the most deranged asshole of the year.
 
2013-12-04 08:43:39 PM

doglover: I'd prove to him it's my house when my neighbors, friends, family, etc all call the cops when he shows up and force them to arrest him.

Holy shiat, after 21 years, do they have no friends?


The article says this guy has made similar claims on a dozen houses in the vicinity; I'm betting they don't have many neighbors left. The squatter sounds like the kind of person you ban from filing quiet title motions; ever.
 
2013-12-04 08:45:08 PM
See? This is how it should be done! If this happened in the UK (and it has), the courts would support the squatter and then hand the legitimate owner a list of damages that they must repair (that the squatter caused) within the week or face imprisonment.
 
2013-12-04 08:45:47 PM
I'm surprised he's "gotten away with it" for so long...except he doesn't actually seem to have.

What surprises me is that he hasn't had the crap beaten out of him by someone who didn't understand that he wasn't just a home invader.

Seriously, my name is all over the tax records and such for my house.  I'm having a hard time believing thst the local cops would take this guy's word that he owns my house over mine.  Or, they could just find him dead, in a ditch.
 
2013-12-04 08:49:09 PM
A family returned to the house that it was letting go into foreclosure to find locks had been changed, and not by the bank.

The house was in foreclosure, so don't buy their sob story. However, he could be in trouble for how he got rid of their stuff. Legally, he might be required to store it until the costs of storage are close to the items value.

If anything, he is doing a public service by stopping banks from holding onto real estate to monopolize the market.
 
2013-12-04 08:51:56 PM
A tiny $40,000 bond for grand-theft-home? times a dozen.... Nice legal system ya got there and cops who don't care in the least.

/Now lets also add the city worker, who put his name on all those ownership documents, to the accessory list/
 
2013-12-04 08:54:06 PM
You know, sometimes it's good to have friends in low places.  There's a reason a couple old acquaintances get a bottle of booze every year for Xmas and a card.
 
2013-12-04 08:56:35 PM
God:  so what are the Americans saying about the 'quiet title' guy?

St. Peter:  mostly that he's an asshole and that they'd shoot him.

God:  no awareness of any sort of analogy or allegory or anything?

St. Peter:  no, just a bunch of "dude's an asshole."  Some violent rhetoric, that's all.

God:  even after that Tom the Dancing Bug cartoon?  Nothing?

St. Peter:  no.  Nobody got it.

God:  Thanksgiving was this week, right?

St. Peter:  I told you it would have worked better on Columbus day.
 
2013-12-04 08:57:47 PM
I'd have preferred to see him shot. He'll be back out in no time and trying the same shiat.
 
2013-12-04 08:59:04 PM

meat0918: doglover: I'd prove to him it's my house when my neighbors, friends, family, etc all call the cops when he shows up and force them to arrest him.

Holy shiat, after 21 years, do they have no friends?

I've heard stories about people not ever speaking to neighbors, but you'd think friends would back them up, as well as family.

Of course, court still costs money, doesn't it?



You know what wouldn't cost me a dime? Busting down my own door and beating the shiat out of that asshole and throwing him out in the street. And if I felt threatened at any point of the ass-beating I'd shoot him in the face and use my castle doctrine defense.

Fark that POS.
 
2013-12-04 08:59:46 PM

ka1axy: I'm surprised he's "gotten away with it" for so long...except he doesn't actually seem to have.

What surprises me is that he hasn't had the crap beaten out of him by someone who didn't understand that he wasn't just a home invader.

Seriously, my name is all over the tax records and such for my house.  I'm having a hard time believing thst the local cops would take this guy's word that he owns my house over mine.  Or, they could just find him dead, in a ditch.


Ditch? If you steal my home, I'm taking it back. I'll break a window or the door down if need be. If you're in the home at the time, you're an invader and you can leave, without any possesions, immediately or never.
 
2013-12-04 09:00:00 PM
Submitted this same article much earlier today under a different title...thanks admins!
 
2013-12-04 09:00:15 PM

doglover: I'd prove to him it's my house when my neighbors, friends, family, etc all call the cops when he shows up and force them to arrest him.

Holy shiat, after 21 years, do they have no friends?


The law won't or can't arrest in many states apparently. One lady actually had a judge force the owners to share the property equally with the squatter until the squatter could exhaust all the appeals processes for the civil suit the owners had to file. In other words, for years on end they couldn't use their property, sell it, or prevent the squatter from making alterations.
 Glad I live in a 'Make My Day' state is all I can say. That shiat doesn't seem to happen here, for good reason.
 
2013-12-04 09:00:49 PM

basemetal: That farker would have been shot when I got home.


You're allowed to shoot home invaders in every civilized state.  Then you can sue the estate for the cleaning bill
 
2013-12-04 09:00:59 PM

doglover: I'd prove to him it's my house when my neighbors, friends, family, etc all call the cops when he shows up and force them to arrest him.

Holy shiat, after 21 years, do they have no friends?


Amateurs.

After 45 years, I have no friends.
 
2013-12-04 09:03:51 PM
Absolutely crazy!  if some mo-fo tried to do this, I'd be rounding up my big bad-ass friends, and beat the shiat out of him.  Then call the cops afterward, saying he was an intruder

  Seriously only 40k bail?   Probably the same amount of bail for the dude who plugged in his electric car and was arrested for taking 5 cents of gas
 
2013-12-04 09:05:29 PM

FriarReb98: haemaker: FriarReb98: Number one, how the fark is this law *supposed* to work??
Number two...seriously, how the fark?  Why did he think he could do this legally?

There was a guy in Texas who did this successfully.

The way it works is there is a property where there is no clear owner.  For the case in Texas, the family was underwater and completely abandoned the home.  The bank lost the paperwork and could not show clear ownership of the mortgage and therefore could not foreclose.

The guy came in and filed an Adverse Possesion claim for the property. If he met all the requirements, he gets a clear title.

This genius invaded a house and filed a Quiet Title lawsuit, basically forcing the rightful owners of the property to prove they own it.

...and since he threw everything out, they could conceivably lose the physical title to the house?  I mean it's still farking crazy but I guess that might work?


1) I think in the last thread about this jackass the Farkers who've invested lots of skill points in Lawer-Fu demonstrated that "some random jackass" is the last person able to claim ownership of a property after the deed holders, followed by legit creditors, and a very long chain thereafter ending with said "random jackass".

2) With regards to losing the physical title to the house: I think this is a disturbingly compelling advertisement for safety deposit boxes.
 
2013-12-04 09:08:11 PM
I'll take "Things found in a vagina" for 100 Alex.
 
2013-12-04 09:08:39 PM
3) Its also a compelling argument toward having large friends disposed toward violence
 
2013-12-04 09:10:21 PM
Wrong thread
 
2013-12-04 09:11:15 PM

haemaker: FriarReb98: Number one, how the fark is this law *supposed* to work??
Number two...seriously, how the fark?  Why did he think he could do this legally?

There was a guy in Texas who did this successfully.

The way it works is there is a property where there is no clear owner.  For the case in Texas, the family was underwater and completely abandoned the home.  The bank lost the paperwork and could not show clear ownership of the mortgage and therefore could not foreclose.

The guy came in and filed an Adverse Possesion claim for the property. If he met all the requirements, he gets a clear title.

This genius invaded a house and filed a Quiet Title lawsuit, basically forcing the rightful owners of the property to prove they own it.


Longest story in the world but with the right lawyer and a crooked county judge someone did that to the farmplace I grew up on.  The house had long since been torn down but the trees/yard were still there.  There were some things that were unclear and there was a bit of a dispute.  I showed up one day and the neighbor had bulldozed the entire thing.  He had gotten some kind of clear title somehow, don't know how.  Nobody was even served notice.  They effectively said the property we owned for 50 years had never been actually owned.  I know that all sounds like it can't be trued but it is very complicated and I don't even understand it.  I will admit though the property was "abandoned" in the sense that due to the dispute nobody was using it for years.  But the party that eventually claimed it was none of the lien holders or any of the disputing parties.  Oh and it wasn't worth much either, it was the point that counts.
 
2013-12-04 09:11:43 PM
Professional squatter Robert Carr says the unnamed family abandoned their home in Springdale, allowing him to seize the property.

Any justice system that doesn't come crashing as hard as an avalanche of Mount Everests down on society's leeches like this doesn't deserve the word "justice".
 
2013-12-04 09:12:58 PM

FriarReb98: This genius invaded a house and filed a Quiet Title lawsuit,


The family let the house go in foreclosure. It's funny to see that so many people can't read and just want to post on how they'd beat/kill this guy.
 
2013-12-04 09:15:24 PM

doglover: I'd prove to him it's my house when my neighbors, friends, family, etc all call the cops when he shows up and force them to arrest him.

Holy shiat, after 21 years, do they have no friends?


Actually it should be much simplier. The police departments in nearly every county have electronic access to property deed information.  If the owner on the deed matches the picture ID the person is carrying then they are the rightful owner and the squatter should be taken immediately to jail.

If the person squatting in the house claims they are renting it then they need to provide a lease that is properly signed by the righful owner.  Not a lease signed by the criminal who broke into the house.

Unfortunately the police normally do not want to get involved in these matters and normally try to cliam it is a civil problem and not a criminal one. Which is absurd - if someone breaks into your house, steals ALL of your stuff and claims they are the rightful owner then this is a criminal issue.
 
2013-12-04 09:19:04 PM
The fact that this assclown is able to get away with this while the courts sit around with there collective thumbs up there asses speaks volumes.
 
2013-12-04 09:19:19 PM

Shadi: The family let the house go in foreclosure. It's funny to see that so many people can't read and just want to post on how they'd beat/kill this guy.


In Ohio, where this story takes place, just because the house is in foreclosure, does not mean that the people who own the house do not own it anymore. Foreclosure just means that a complaint has been filed in the courts seeking a judgment of foreclosure. Not until the judge has signed the judgment and decree of foreclosure, the owners still own the house. Next comes the auction. It is at that time that the lien holder can take possession of the house.  I would assume that since the people returned to their house from being away for a bit, that either or both of those two final events have not occurred.
 
2013-12-04 09:20:53 PM
fark these Sovereign Citizens. Shoot them.
 
2013-12-04 09:24:04 PM

gblive: The police departments in nearly every county have electronic access to property deed information.


In every city I've lived in, it's always been on a public website, since property information is public. You can look up the name of the person who owns the property, how much they bought it for, the assessed value, and a few other things.
 
2013-12-04 09:24:49 PM

nekom: Wait, did he somehow get his name recorded on the deed?  If not, why was he not arrested for criminal trespassing?  Christ I had to get a lawyer to draw up a quitclaim to get my name OFF of a farking deed.


Squatting and property rights are kind of weird...
 
2013-12-04 09:25:32 PM
For the life of me, I don't understand how this could last past a few hours.
 
2013-12-04 09:25:45 PM
It is good to see this "quiet deed" clown locked up.  I hope he gets a lengthy prison sentence.
 
2013-12-04 09:26:52 PM

haemaker: nekom: Wait, did he somehow get his name recorded on the deed?  If not, why was he not arrested for criminal trespassing?  Christ I had to get a lawyer to draw up a quitclaim to get my name OFF of a farking deed.

No, he filed a quiet title and squatted.  Some have done this successfully, but only after actual abandonment and long bank delays for foreclosure.  You can't do that for someone on vacation.


People have done it in here on houses where the owner has died but the family hasn't sold the house, houses which have sat empty for months and which the family isn't keeping eye on.
 
2013-12-04 09:29:08 PM

doglover: Holy shiat, after 21 years, do they have no friends?


For the first four years I owned my house - I travelled a lot and never really knew my neighbors.  However - this scheme would never work in the state that I lived in.
 
2013-12-04 09:29:15 PM
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2013-12-04 09:31:09 PM
You Internet Tough Guys are pathetic. "First I'd shoot him, then I'd rough him up. Then the whole community would rally and join me in kicking him. And I'd take out ALL my aggression pent up from years as a medical billing specialist..."

You wouldn't do any of that and you know it. You don't have that capacity for inhumanity. HE DOES. That's why he's the criminal, and you're the victim. All you can do is hire a lawyer, borrow money from relatives to pay said lawyer, then, when the case is about to close, watch him skip town in search of the next civilized person to attack.
 
2013-12-04 09:31:58 PM
I just read that four times and don't see where it says it was in foreclosure
 
2013-12-04 09:32:40 PM
In Ohio you can sometimes, under very limited circumstances, take title to land by squatting, but it takes a number of years to do that and a number of other requirements have to be met.
All that happened here is that some whack job who had heard of adverse possession jumped in to try and steal a house.
At least from a legal perspective, it's not scary, it's just an amazing show of stupidity,
 
2013-12-04 09:39:44 PM

doglover: I'd prove to him it's my house when my neighbors, friends, family, etc all call the cops when he shows up and force them to arrest him.

Holy shiat, after 21 years, do they have no friends?


Just because you can round up a couple dozen people who say you own something, does not mean you own something.
 
2013-12-04 09:42:53 PM
"Wait -- this cell is completely unoccupied. It's mine now! Muahaha!"
 
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