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(TMZ)   L.A. County Coroner Ric Romero announces that Fast and Furious star Paul Walker, who died in a fiery car crash, died from the fire and the crash   (tmz.com) divider line 83
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2013-12-04 04:33:49 PM  
Sorry subby, stupid headline. They need to announce the cause of the death, whether he got decapitated, suffocated from the smoke, got his body so smashed that he died instantly, OD'd on drugs or alcohol, got ejected, etc. Just because your car crashed, it doesn't mean that the crash and/or the fire caused your death.
 
2013-12-04 04:35:04 PM  
Sources in the coroner's office tell us ... both men were positively ID'd by using dental records.

What's with the ellipses? It's like they stopped to ask "Envelope, please" before saying this...
 
2013-12-04 04:37:59 PM  

Mikey1969: Sorry subby, stupid headline. They need to announce the cause of the death, whether he got decapitated, suffocated from the smoke, got his body so smashed that he died instantly, OD'd on drugs or alcohol, got ejected, etc. Just because your car crashed, it doesn't mean that the crash and/or the fire caused your death.


Or that it was even you. Steal a corpse, stage a fiery car crash, disappear with the insurance money.
 
2013-12-04 04:38:25 PM  
Everybody knows it was a drone.

Obama can't hide it anymore.
 
2013-12-04 04:42:45 PM  
Well, I guess that eliminates the "Weekend at Bernie's" scenario.
 
2013-12-04 04:45:18 PM  

beakerxf: Mikey1969: Sorry subby, stupid headline. They need to announce the cause of the death, whether he got decapitated, suffocated from the smoke, got his body so smashed that he died instantly, OD'd on drugs or alcohol, got ejected, etc. Just because your car crashed, it doesn't mean that the crash and/or the fire caused your death.

Or that it was even you. Steal a corpse, stage a fiery car crash, disappear with the insurance money.


That almost worked for Eddie Sakamura

/obscure?
 
2013-12-04 04:50:49 PM  

Mikey1969: Sorry subby, stupid headline. They need to announce the cause of the death, whether he got decapitated, suffocated from the smoke, got his body so smashed that he died instantly, OD'd on drugs or alcohol, got ejected, etc. Just because your car crashed, it doesn't mean that the crash and/or the fire caused your death.


Pics of his body were being posted to 4chan the other day. I don't like gore threads, but still got a look at one while scrolling past the thread... and you can't unsee shiat once you've seen it.

So yeah, since the pic I saw had his face bisected back into his skull I'm going to venture a wild guess that the crash itself killed him.
 
2013-12-04 04:51:45 PM  
Don't forget that "speed may have been a factor"...because a car going the legal speed limit (45mph on that particular stretch of roadway) would have no doubt taken out a lamp post and a tree and then wrapped itself almost 360 degrees around another tree....
 
2013-12-04 04:52:12 PM  

Mikey1969: Sorry subby, stupid headline. They need to announce the cause of the death, whether he got decapitated, suffocated from the smoke, got his body so smashed that he died instantly, OD'd on drugs or alcohol, got ejected, etc. Just because your car crashed, it doesn't mean that the crash and/or the fire caused your death.


um, really?  He was trapped in a wrecked car that burned.  He burned inside the car as a direct result of a car crash.  Blunt force trauma causing unconsciousness (hopefully), smoke inhalation and then he burned up.  Simple as that.
 
2013-12-04 04:52:50 PM  

mongbiohazard: Pics of his body were being posted to 4chan the other day


WTF is wrong with people?
 
2013-12-04 04:54:53 PM  

mongbiohazard: Mikey1969: Sorry subby, stupid headline. They need to announce the cause of the death, whether he got decapitated, suffocated from the smoke, got his body so smashed that he died instantly, OD'd on drugs or alcohol, got ejected, etc. Just because your car crashed, it doesn't mean that the crash and/or the fire caused your death.

Pics of his body were being posted to 4chan the other day. I don't like gore threads, but still got a look at one while scrolling past the thread... and you can't unsee shiat once you've seen it.

So yeah, since the pic I saw had his face bisected back into his skull I'm going to venture a wild guess that the crash itself killed him.


Oh god ewwww  TMI.... say is anyone else suddenly thinking about having smoked brisket for dinner?
 
2013-12-04 04:54:55 PM  

mongbiohazard: Mikey1969: Sorry subby, stupid headline. They need to announce the cause of the death, whether he got decapitated, suffocated from the smoke, got his body so smashed that he died instantly, OD'd on drugs or alcohol, got ejected, etc. Just because your car crashed, it doesn't mean that the crash and/or the fire caused your death.

Pics of his body were being posted to 4chan the other day. I don't like gore threads, but still got a look at one while scrolling past the thread... and you can't unsee shiat once you've seen it.

So yeah, since the pic I saw had his face bisected back into his skull I'm going to venture a wild guess that the crash itself killed him.


Neither one of those photos is him.  The bisected face was some guy - who lived and posted an updated photo (in 2002) and the burned guy was a photo of a bombing victim next to a car.

Seriously, you guys are incredibly gullible, especially since the guy with the bisected face wasn't burned at all.
 
2013-12-04 04:55:51 PM  

mongbiohazard: Mikey1969: Sorry subby, stupid headline. They need to announce the cause of the death, whether he got decapitated, suffocated from the smoke, got his body so smashed that he died instantly, OD'd on drugs or alcohol, got ejected, etc. Just because your car crashed, it doesn't mean that the crash and/or the fire caused your death.

Pics of his body were being posted to 4chan the other day. I don't like gore threads, but still got a look at one while scrolling past the thread... and you can't unsee shiat once you've seen it.

So yeah, since the pic I saw had his face bisected back into his skull I'm going to venture a wild guess that the crash itself killed him.


That photo is supposedly not Paul Walker, but a construction worker who died in a nasty accident in 2011.
 
2013-12-04 04:57:01 PM  

mongbiohazard: Mikey1969: Sorry subby, stupid headline. They need to announce the cause of the death, whether he got decapitated, suffocated from the smoke, got his body so smashed that he died instantly, OD'd on drugs or alcohol, got ejected, etc. Just because your car crashed, it doesn't mean that the crash and/or the fire caused your death.

Pics of his body were being posted to 4chan the other day. I don't like gore threads, but still got a look at one while scrolling past the thread... and you can't unsee shiat once you've seen it.

So yeah, since the pic I saw had his face bisected back into his skull I'm going to venture a wild guess that the crash itself killed him.


Damn.
Its probably best I don't hang out on 4chan. That shiat is hardcore.
 
2013-12-04 04:57:59 PM  

Mikey1969: Sources in the coroner's office tell us ... both men were positively ID'd by using dental records.

What's with the ellipses? It's like they stopped to ask "Envelope, please" before saying this...


..and the cause of death is ... <drum roll please >


..
..

..
trauma!

<band comes in>
 
2013-12-04 05:00:06 PM  
 
2013-12-04 05:01:02 PM  

FitzShivering: mongbiohazard: Mikey1969: Sorry subby, stupid headline. They need to announce the cause of the death, whether he got decapitated, suffocated from the smoke, got his body so smashed that he died instantly, OD'd on drugs or alcohol, got ejected, etc. Just because your car crashed, it doesn't mean that the crash and/or the fire caused your death.

Pics of his body were being posted to 4chan the other day. I don't like gore threads, but still got a look at one while scrolling past the thread... and you can't unsee shiat once you've seen it.

So yeah, since the pic I saw had his face bisected back into his skull I'm going to venture a wild guess that the crash itself killed him.

That photo is supposedly not Paul Walker, but a construction worker who died in a nasty accident in 2011.


He didn't die.
 
2013-12-04 05:02:01 PM  

zabadu: NSFW - bisected guy with updates


Gross.. is the pic on the right the "after"?
 
2013-12-04 05:04:16 PM  

zabadu: um, really?  He was trapped in a wrecked car that burned.  He burned inside the car as a direct result of a car crash.  Blunt force trauma causing unconsciousness (hopefully), smoke inhalation and then he burned up.  Simple as that.


Nope, not as "Simple as that". It matters for the investigation(and the family) if he was dead before the body burned, if he suffered, if he died at the moment of impact, etc. In other words, yes they've told us more than anyone "knew" before. Looks like the driver may have died instantly, while Walker still lived and may have been conscious when the fire got to him.
 
2013-12-04 05:04:24 PM  

zabadu: mongbiohazard: Mikey1969: Sorry subby, stupid headline. They need to announce the cause of the death, whether he got decapitated, suffocated from the smoke, got his body so smashed that he died instantly, OD'd on drugs or alcohol, got ejected, etc. Just because your car crashed, it doesn't mean that the crash and/or the fire caused your death.

Pics of his body were being posted to 4chan the other day. I don't like gore threads, but still got a look at one while scrolling past the thread... and you can't unsee shiat once you've seen it.

So yeah, since the pic I saw had his face bisected back into his skull I'm going to venture a wild guess that the crash itself killed him.

Neither one of those photos is him.  The bisected face was some guy - who lived and posted an updated photo (in 2002) and the burned guy was a photo of a bombing victim next to a car.

Seriously, you guys are incredibly gullible, especially since the guy with the bisected face wasn't burned at all.


Fair enough. Misinformation is par for the course there...

I wasn't about to examine those pics closely for "the pixels" because, as I mentioned, gore is NOT my thing. Scrolling past it with my brain going, "Nnnnnnnnnnnnnope!" was more than I had wanted to see already.
 
2013-12-04 05:04:34 PM  

zabadu: Mikey1969: Sorry subby, stupid headline. They need to announce the cause of the death, whether he got decapitated, suffocated from the smoke, got his body so smashed that he died instantly, OD'd on drugs or alcohol, got ejected, etc. Just because your car crashed, it doesn't mean that the crash and/or the fire caused your death.

um, really?  He was trapped in a wrecked car that burned.  He burned inside the car as a direct result of a car crash.  Blunt force trauma causing unconsciousness (hopefully), smoke inhalation and then he burned up.  Simple as that.


Really? Simple as that? Then how come the drivers cause of death was multiple traumatic injuries suffered upon impact and the fire played no part in it?

He could have easily died instantly on impact, but he didn't. I will agree that hopefully he was unconscious when he was burning. I also agree with Mikey1969 that it is a stupid headline.
 
2013-12-04 05:04:55 PM  
For one, the announcement was interesting because he didn't immediately die from the impact, but lived a little bit longer and died from the trauma and fire. Second, as already pointed out, this is pretty much the sole job of a coroner / medical examiner - To announce the cause of death.
 
2013-12-04 05:05:55 PM  

zabadu: mongbiohazard: Mikey1969: Sorry subby, stupid headline. They need to announce the cause of the death, whether he got decapitated, suffocated from the smoke, got his body so smashed that he died instantly, OD'd on drugs or alcohol, got ejected, etc. Just because your car crashed, it doesn't mean that the crash and/or the fire caused your death.

Pics of his body were being posted to 4chan the other day. I don't like gore threads, but still got a look at one while scrolling past the thread... and you can't unsee shiat once you've seen it.

So yeah, since the pic I saw had his face bisected back into his skull I'm going to venture a wild guess that the crash itself killed him.

Neither one of those photos is him.  The bisected face was some guy - who lived and posted an updated photo (in 2002) and the burned guy was a photo of a bombing victim next to a car.

Seriously, you guys are incredibly gullible, especially since the guy with the bisected face wasn't burned at all.


OK, I saw a photo linked on here yesterday or today that had bodies laying in the wreckage, is that one of these that you're talking about here, or is this a different one? FWIW, you can just barely even tell that they are bodies. If it's PS, it's more subtle than usual.
 
2013-12-04 05:18:32 PM  
"The Wrap reports 5'9″ Israeli model-cum-actress Gal Gadot"

 giggity
 
2013-12-04 05:21:22 PM  
 
2013-12-04 05:21:27 PM  

Mugato: mongbiohazard: Pics of his body were being posted to 4chan the other day

WTF is wrong with people?


How much time you got?
 
2013-12-04 05:22:12 PM  

Transubstantive: For one, the announcement was interesting because he didn't immediately die from the impact, but lived a little bit longer and died from the trauma and fire. Second, as already pointed out, this is pretty much the sole job of a coroner / medical examiner - To announce the cause of death.


This. It's kind of stupid to make fun of a department for doing exactly what they exist to do. Even if their findings seem obvious, it still needs to be made official.
 
2013-12-04 05:36:28 PM  

mongbiohazard: I wasn't about to examine those pics closely for "the pixels" because, as I mentioned, gore is NOT my thing. Scrolling past it with my brain going, "Nnnnnnnnnnnnnope!" was more than I had wanted to see already.


I did the reverse. Not because I like gore, because I actually wanted it to be him. Burning alive is a horrible way to go, and if he had gotten a giant chunk of dashboard right through the brainpan, it would have been a LOT faster and less painless.

Unfortunately, it appears that about 60 seconds passed between the wreck and the fire, and that he was either partly or fully conscious. I wish it had been otherwise.
 
2013-12-04 05:42:31 PM  

farkingismybusiness: NSFW pic of the burned body.


You sick bastard.
 
2013-12-04 05:43:03 PM  

Mikey1969: zabadu: um, really?  He was trapped in a wrecked car that burned.  He burned inside the car as a direct result of a car crash.  Blunt force trauma causing unconsciousness (hopefully), smoke inhalation and then he burned up.  Simple as that.

Nope, not as "Simple as that". It matters for the investigation(and the family) if he was dead before the body burned, if he suffered, if he died at the moment of impact, etc. In other words, yes they've told us more than anyone "knew" before. Looks like the driver may have died instantly, while Walker still lived and may have been conscious when the fire got to him.


It said basically that the "combination" of the accident and fire killed him, so no, he was not dead until he burned to death.
 
2013-12-04 05:45:40 PM  

mongbiohazard: zabadu: mongbiohazard: Mikey1969: Sorry subby, stupid headline. They need to announce the cause of the death, whether he got decapitated, suffocated from the smoke, got his body so smashed that he died instantly, OD'd on drugs or alcohol, got ejected, etc. Just because your car crashed, it doesn't mean that the crash and/or the fire caused your death.

Pics of his body were being posted to 4chan the other day. I don't like gore threads, but still got a look at one while scrolling past the thread... and you can't unsee shiat once you've seen it.

So yeah, since the pic I saw had his face bisected back into his skull I'm going to venture a wild guess that the crash itself killed him.

Neither one of those photos is him.  The bisected face was some guy - who lived and posted an updated photo (in 2002) and the burned guy was a photo of a bombing victim next to a car.

Seriously, you guys are incredibly gullible, especially since the guy with the bisected face wasn't burned at all.

Fair enough. Misinformation is par for the course there...

I wasn't about to examine those pics closely for "the pixels" because, as I mentioned, gore is NOT my thing. Scrolling past it with my brain going, "Nnnnnnnnnnnnnope!" was more than I had wanted to see already.


I accidentally saw the thumbnail of the pic I think you're talking about. (Believe it or not I came across it doing work-related research, for reals.) I wondered why they were saying the bodies had to be identified by dental records when this supposed pic showed someone with massive head trauma but still seemingly recognizable.

What kind of person hears about a celebrity death and immediately thinks, hey, I can post a picture of somebody else's horrible injury and make people think it's a famous person? I don't wanna know.
 
2013-12-04 05:48:06 PM  
It's been over an hour since this went green.

WE NEED ANOTHER UPDATE!
 
2013-12-04 05:49:12 PM  

someonelse: mongbiohazard: zabadu: mongbiohazard: Mikey1969: Sorry subby, stupid headline. They need to announce the cause of the death, whether he got decapitated, suffocated from the smoke, got his body so smashed that he died instantly, OD'd on drugs or alcohol, got ejected, etc. Just because your car crashed, it doesn't mean that the crash and/or the fire caused your death.

Pics of his body were being posted to 4chan the other day. I don't like gore threads, but still got a look at one while scrolling past the thread... and you can't unsee shiat once you've seen it.

So yeah, since the pic I saw had his face bisected back into his skull I'm going to venture a wild guess that the crash itself killed him.

Neither one of those photos is him.  The bisected face was some guy - who lived and posted an updated photo (in 2002) and the burned guy was a photo of a bombing victim next to a car.

Seriously, you guys are incredibly gullible, especially since the guy with the bisected face wasn't burned at all.

Fair enough. Misinformation is par for the course there...

I wasn't about to examine those pics closely for "the pixels" because, as I mentioned, gore is NOT my thing. Scrolling past it with my brain going, "Nnnnnnnnnnnnnope!" was more than I had wanted to see already.

I accidentally saw the thumbnail of the pic I think you're talking about. (Believe it or not I came across it doing work-related research, for reals.) I wondered why they were saying the bodies had to be identified by dental records when this supposed pic showed someone with massive head trauma but still seemingly recognizable.

What kind of person hears about a celebrity death and immediately thinks, hey, I can post a picture of somebody else's horrible injury and make people think it's a famous person? I don't wanna know.


Considering how many people on Twitter alone bought into it, I'd say it was a ploy for followers.
 
2013-12-04 05:50:42 PM  

zabadu: Mikey1969: zabadu: um, really?  He was trapped in a wrecked car that burned.  He burned inside the car as a direct result of a car crash.  Blunt force trauma causing unconsciousness (hopefully), smoke inhalation and then he burned up.  Simple as that.

Nope, not as "Simple as that". It matters for the investigation(and the family) if he was dead before the body burned, if he suffered, if he died at the moment of impact, etc. In other words, yes they've told us more than anyone "knew" before. Looks like the driver may have died instantly, while Walker still lived and may have been conscious when the fire got to him.

It said basically that the "combination" of the accident and fire killed him, so no, he was not dead until he burned to death.


The autopsies on Paul Walker and Roger Rodas have been completed, says the Los Angeles County coroner's office.

Update, 1:10 p.m. ET: Official causes of death: Rodas, the driver of the vehicle, died of multiple traumatic injuries; Walker, the passenger, died of the combined effects of traumatic and thermal injuries, the Los Angeles county coroner's office said

So no, he didn't die instantly.  He died from injuries (hopefully unconsciously) and then the fire finished him off.
 
2013-12-04 05:53:36 PM  

zabadu: Considering how many people on Twitter alone bought into it, I'd say it was a ploy for followers.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25214301
 
2013-12-04 05:53:43 PM  

zabadu: Mikey1969: zabadu: um, really?  He was trapped in a wrecked car that burned.  He burned inside the car as a direct result of a car crash.  Blunt force trauma causing unconsciousness (hopefully), smoke inhalation and then he burned up.  Simple as that.

Nope, not as "Simple as that". It matters for the investigation(and the family) if he was dead before the body burned, if he suffered, if he died at the moment of impact, etc. In other words, yes they've told us more than anyone "knew" before. Looks like the driver may have died instantly, while Walker still lived and may have been conscious when the fire got to him.

It said basically that the "combination" of the accident and fire killed him, so no, he was not dead until he burned to death.


So he wasn't killed instantly, he wasn't crushed by parts of the car, he wasn't decapitated by a piece of debris? In other words(once again), there is a reason that these are all done. If you find a burnt body in a burnt car that in NO WAY implies that the person was alive when they were burned.
 
2013-12-04 06:02:19 PM  
Let's not forget a tree was harmed.
 
2013-12-04 06:12:46 PM  
So what's the implciation here, that because the results of autopsies are unsurprising a lot of the time then we shouldn't do them?
 
2013-12-04 06:23:10 PM  

Mikey1969: Sorry subby, stupid headline. They need to announce the cause of the death, whether he got decapitated, suffocated from the smoke, got his body so smashed that he died instantly, OD'd on drugs or alcohol, got ejected, etc. Just because your car crashed, it doesn't mean that the crash and/or the fire caused your death.


This.

He could have been shot, killing him instantly, which caused the crash. In that scenario the gunshot killed him, not the crash.
 
2013-12-04 06:26:10 PM  

KingKauff: beakerxf: Mikey1969: Sorry subby, stupid headline. They need to announce the cause of the death, whether he got decapitated, suffocated from the smoke, got his body so smashed that he died instantly, OD'd on drugs or alcohol, got ejected, etc. Just because your car crashed, it doesn't mean that the crash and/or the fire caused your death.

Or that it was even you. Steal a corpse, stage a fiery car crash, disappear with the insurance money.

That almost worked for Eddie Sakamura

/obscure?


It may also be a house in New Orleans, but you are referring to Michael Crichton's Rising Sun.
Nothing is obscure on FARK.
 
2013-12-04 06:35:14 PM  

Mikey1969: zabadu: Mikey1969: zabadu: um, really?  He was trapped in a wrecked car that burned.  He burned inside the car as a direct result of a car crash.  Blunt force trauma causing unconsciousness (hopefully), smoke inhalation and then he burned up.  Simple as that.

Nope, not as "Simple as that". It matters for the investigation(and the family) if he was dead before the body burned, if he suffered, if he died at the moment of impact, etc. In other words, yes they've told us more than anyone "knew" before. Looks like the driver may have died instantly, while Walker still lived and may have been conscious when the fire got to him.

It said basically that the "combination" of the accident and fire killed him, so no, he was not dead until he burned to death.

So he wasn't killed instantly, he wasn't crushed by parts of the car, he wasn't decapitated by a piece of debris? In other words(once again), there is a reason that these are all done. If you find a burnt body in a burnt car that in NO WAY implies that the person was alive when they were burned.


Yes, there is.

If they have smoke/soot in their lungs, they were alive after the crash and lived before they burned. As for Blunt force trauma, look it up.  One good smack is all it takes.

Did you take your medical training in Mexico?
 
2013-12-04 06:39:05 PM  

ReapTheChaos: zabadu: Mikey1969: Sorry subby, stupid headline. They need to announce the cause of the death, whether he got decapitated, suffocated from the smoke, got his body so smashed that he died instantly, OD'd on drugs or alcohol, got ejected, etc. Just because your car crashed, it doesn't mean that the crash and/or the fire caused your death.

um, really?  He was trapped in a wrecked car that burned.  He burned inside the car as a direct result of a car crash.  Blunt force trauma causing unconsciousness (hopefully), smoke inhalation and then he burned up.  Simple as that.

Really? Simple as that? Then how come the drivers cause of death was multiple traumatic injuries suffered upon impact and the fire played no part in it?

He could have easily died instantly on impact, but he didn't. I will agree that hopefully he was unconscious when he was burning. I also agree with Mikey1969 that it is a stupid headline.


Or he and/or the driver could have had a massive coronary or a brain aneurism and died before the crash. Or been hit by a meteorite, which killed them and caused the car to veer off the road into the light pole. A lot of things are possible, however unlikely they might seem.

In fact, according to the report, the driver died on impact; the fire had nothing to do with his death.

So no, people should never make assumptions about these things. But certain idiots will keep doing it, because they like to feel superior to accident investigators, coroners, and everyone else who actually knows what they're talking about.
 
2013-12-04 06:41:12 PM  

zabadu: Mikey1969: zabadu: Mikey1969: zabadu: um, really?  He was trapped in a wrecked car that burned.  He burned inside the car as a direct result of a car crash.  Blunt force trauma causing unconsciousness (hopefully), smoke inhalation and then he burned up.  Simple as that.

Nope, not as "Simple as that". It matters for the investigation(and the family) if he was dead before the body burned, if he suffered, if he died at the moment of impact, etc. In other words, yes they've told us more than anyone "knew" before. Looks like the driver may have died instantly, while Walker still lived and may have been conscious when the fire got to him.

It said basically that the "combination" of the accident and fire killed him, so no, he was not dead until he burned to death.

So he wasn't killed instantly, he wasn't crushed by parts of the car, he wasn't decapitated by a piece of debris? In other words(once again), there is a reason that these are all done. If you find a burnt body in a burnt car that in NO WAY implies that the person was alive when they were burned.

Yes, there is.

If they have smoke/soot in their lungs, they were alive after the crash and lived before they burned. As for Blunt force trauma, look it up.  One good smack is all it takes.

Did you take your medical training in Mexico?


Determination of cause of death should be done by the medical examiner or other qualified professional, and may not be able to be determined until autopsy. Studies have shown that more than three-fourths of fire victims die from carbon monoxide poisoning (NFPA 921: 2001 Edition, section 20.5.1), and typically die somewhere other than the room of origin. Other causes of death due to fire effects include:

Hyperthermia (exposure to a hot environment raises body temperature to a fatal level, about 109ºF for a few minutes). Hyperthermia may or may not be accompanied by burns, depending on how hot the ambient temperature was.

Inhalation of hot gases, which can cause strangulation when the epiglottis spasms.

Poisoning from toxic gases.

Inhalation of soot and smoke (can act in a number of ways, including blocking airways and causing asphyxiation, or chemical edema, or thermal injuries leading to edema).

Hypoxia (when breathing in a reduced oxygen atmosphere, which is caused as combustion uses the available oxygen, the body gradually decreases its respiration until unconsciousness results).

Often, one central question the investigator is interested in answering is whether or not the victim was alive or dead when the fire started. Baden describes how this can be determined, "Whether the decedent was alive or dead when the fire started is ascertained by determining if the decedent was breathing when exposed to the fire environment. If a person is alive and breathing after a fire starts, that person must inhale the products of combustion of the fire, in particular, soot and carbon monoxide. Such evaluation requires that autopsies be done on all burned bodies. Soot in the trachea, bronchi and other air passages, and carbon monoxide in the blood demonstrates that the decedent was alive when the fire started. The inhaled carbon monoxide attaches to iron in the red blood cells, causing the blood to become bright cherry-pink and to turn the normally blue-maroon lividity that develops after death as the blood settles to a cherry-pink. Toxicologic studies are necessary to confirm the presence and amount of carbon monoxide."
 
2013-12-04 06:47:30 PM  

zabadu: zabadu: Mikey1969: zabadu: um, really?  He was trapped in a wrecked car that burned.  He burned inside the car as a direct result of a car crash.  Blunt force trauma causing unconsciousness (hopefully), smoke inhalation and then he burned up.  Simple as that.

Nope, not as "Simple as that". It matters for the investigation(and the family) if he was dead before the body burned, if he suffered, if he died at the moment of impact, etc. In other words, yes they've told us more than anyone "knew" before. Looks like the driver may have died instantly, while Walker still lived and may have been conscious when the fire got to him.

It said basically that the "combination" of the accident and fire killed him, so no, he was not dead until he burned to death.

The autopsies on Paul Walker and Roger Rodas have been completed, says the Los Angeles County coroner's office.

Update, 1:10 p.m. ET: Official causes of death: Rodas, the driver of the vehicle, died of multiple traumatic injuries; Walker, the passenger, died of the combined effects of traumatic and thermal injuries, the Los Angeles county coroner's office said

So no, he didn't die instantly.  He died from injuries (hopefully unconsciously) and then the fire finished him off.


Oh my god, you're a complete idiot. Do you even understand words?

Paul Walker did not die from his injuries and then get killed by the fire. Nobody did. That isn't possible. It makes no sense to suggest it.

Please just stop.
 
2013-12-04 06:50:20 PM  

MadAzza: zabadu: zabadu: Mikey1969: zabadu: um, really?  He was trapped in a wrecked car that burned.  He burned inside the car as a direct result of a car crash.  Blunt force trauma causing unconsciousness (hopefully), smoke inhalation and then he burned up.  Simple as that.

Nope, not as "Simple as that". It matters for the investigation(and the family) if he was dead before the body burned, if he suffered, if he died at the moment of impact, etc. In other words, yes they've told us more than anyone "knew" before. Looks like the driver may have died instantly, while Walker still lived and may have been conscious when the fire got to him.

It said basically that the "combination" of the accident and fire killed him, so no, he was not dead until he burned to death.

The autopsies on Paul Walker and Roger Rodas have been completed, says the Los Angeles County coroner's office.

Update, 1:10 p.m. ET: Official causes of death: Rodas, the driver of the vehicle, died of multiple traumatic injuries; Walker, the passenger, died of the combined effects of traumatic and thermal injuries, the Los Angeles county coroner's office said

So no, he didn't die instantly.  He died from injuries (hopefully unconsciously) and then the fire finished him off.

Oh my god, you're a complete idiot. Do you even understand words?

Paul Walker did not die from his injuries and then get killed by the fire. Nobody did. That isn't possible. It makes no sense to suggest it.

Please just stop.


The DRIVER died of traumatic injuries from the accident, most likely blunt force trauma.

The LA County Coroner says that Walker died from traumatic injuries AND the fire.  Which means he was badly injured, and most likely would have died from the injuries because they were contributing to the death.  That's the foremost reason a coroner says "combined effects".

You really have no idea what you are talking about.
 
2013-12-04 06:51:09 PM  

zabadu: Mikey1969: zabadu: Mikey1969: zabadu: um, really?  He was trapped in a wrecked car that burned.  He burned inside the car as a direct result of a car crash.  Blunt force trauma causing unconsciousness (hopefully), smoke inhalation and then he burned up.  Simple as that.

Nope, not as "Simple as that". It matters for the investigation(and the family) if he was dead before the body burned, if he suffered, if he died at the moment of impact, etc. In other words, yes they've told us more than anyone "knew" before. Looks like the driver may have died instantly, while Walker still lived and may have been conscious when the fire got to him.

It said basically that the "combination" of the accident and fire killed him, so no, he was not dead until he burned to death.

So he wasn't killed instantly, he wasn't crushed by parts of the car, he wasn't decapitated by a piece of debris? In other words(once again), there is a reason that these are all done. If you find a burnt body in a burnt car that in NO WAY implies that the person was alive when they were burned.

Yes, there is.

If they have smoke/soot in their lungs, they were alive after the crash and lived before they burned. As for Blunt force trauma, look it up.  One good smack is all it takes.

Did you take your medical training in Mexico?


Jesus, are you just skimming these posts or something?


You don't find soot in the lungs until you INVESTGATE, which is what I've farming been trying to say the whole goddamm time. You have to LOOK for soot in the lungs to determine if the person died from asphyxiation or not. You can't determine that by looking at the body sitting in the car.

Did you develop reading comprehension in Kansas? And by, I know two different people who got very good medical educations in Mexico. Monterrey, as a matter of fact, so there actually isn't anything wrong with medical degrees from other countries.
 
2013-12-04 06:53:14 PM  

MadAzza: zabadu: zabadu: Mikey1969: zabadu: um, really?  He was trapped in a wrecked car that burned.  He burned inside the car as a direct result of a car crash.  Blunt force trauma causing unconsciousness (hopefully), smoke inhalation and then he burned up.  Simple as that.

Nope, not as "Simple as that". It matters for the investigation(and the family) if he was dead before the body burned, if he suffered, if he died at the moment of impact, etc. In other words, yes they've told us more than anyone "knew" before. Looks like the driver may have died instantly, while Walker still lived and may have been conscious when the fire got to him.

It said basically that the "combination" of the accident and fire killed him, so no, he was not dead until he burned to death.

The autopsies on Paul Walker and Roger Rodas have been completed, says the Los Angeles County coroner's office.

Update, 1:10 p.m. ET: Official causes of death: Rodas, the driver of the vehicle, died of multiple traumatic injuries; Walker, the passenger, died of the combined effects of traumatic and thermal injuries, the Los Angeles county coroner's office said

So no, he didn't die instantly.  He died from injuries (hopefully unconsciously) and then the fire finished him off.

Oh my god, you're a complete idiot. Do you even understand words?

Paul Walker did not die from his injuries and then get killed by the fire. Nobody did. That isn't possible. It makes no sense to suggest it.

Please just stop.


And no, you can not die, then die.  Semantics - good for you.
 
2013-12-04 06:55:48 PM  

Mikey1969: zabadu: Mikey1969: zabadu: Mikey1969: zabadu: um, really?  He was trapped in a wrecked car that burned.  He burned inside the car as a direct result of a car crash.  Blunt force trauma causing unconsciousness (hopefully), smoke inhalation and then he burned up.  Simple as that.

Nope, not as "Simple as that". It matters for the investigation(and the family) if he was dead before the body burned, if he suffered, if he died at the moment of impact, etc. In other words, yes they've told us more than anyone "knew" before. Looks like the driver may have died instantly, while Walker still lived and may have been conscious when the fire got to him.

It said basically that the "combination" of the accident and fire killed him, so no, he was not dead until he burned to death.

So he wasn't killed instantly, he wasn't crushed by parts of the car, he wasn't decapitated by a piece of debris? In other words(once again), there is a reason that these are all done. If you find a burnt body in a burnt car that in NO WAY implies that the person was alive when they were burned.

Yes, there is.

If they have smoke/soot in their lungs, they were alive after the crash and lived before they burned. As for Blunt force trauma, look it up.  One good smack is all it takes.

Did you take your medical training in Mexico?

Jesus, are you just skimming these posts or something?


You don't find soot in the lungs until you INVESTGATE, which is what I've farming been trying to say the whole goddamm time. You have to LOOK for soot in the lungs to determine if the person died from asphyxiation or not. You can't determine that by looking at the body sitting in the car.

Did you develop reading comprehension in Kansas? And by, I know two different people who got very good medical educations in Mexico. Monterrey, as a matter of fact, so there actually isn't anything wrong with medical degrees from other countries.


So what do you think the coroner did?  He DID INVESTGATE (you left out an "i") and determined he died from both traumatic injuries and thermal burns (fire).  Is English YOUR first language?

And I got an A in reading comp every single time.  Apparently, you are unable to form a correct sentence or clearly state that you are NOT discussing the coroners report, you are discussing speculation from the crowd.
 
2013-12-04 06:57:58 PM  
The Los Angeles coroner's office has released the results today of autopsies on Paul Walker and Roger Rodas.
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The autopsies on Paul Walker and Roger Rodas have been completed, says the Los Angeles County coroner's office.
Update, 1:10 p.m. ET: Official causes of death: Rodas, the driver of the vehicle, died of multiple traumatic injuries; Walker, the passenger, died of the combined effects of traumatic and thermal injuries, the Los Angeles county coroner's office said, reports
The deaths were ruled to be accidental. Toxicology results are pending, and could take several weeks.
Original post: The reports were finished on Tuesday, reports AP, on the men who were killed Saturday when the 2005 Porsche Carrera GT they were in crashed into a light pole in Santa Clarita, Calif.
 
2013-12-04 07:02:24 PM  

zabadu: MadAzza: zabadu: zabadu: Mikey1969: zabadu: um, really?  He was trapped in a wrecked car that burned.  He burned inside the car as a direct result of a car crash.  Blunt force trauma causing unconsciousness (hopefully), smoke inhalation and then he burned up.  Simple as that.

Nope, not as "Simple as that". It matters for the investigation(and the family) if he was dead before the body burned, if he suffered, if he died at the moment of impact, etc. In other words, yes they've told us more than anyone "knew" before. Looks like the driver may have died instantly, while Walker still lived and may have been conscious when the fire got to him.

It said basically that the "combination" of the accident and fire killed him, so no, he was not dead until he burned to death.

The autopsies on Paul Walker and Roger Rodas have been completed, says the Los Angeles County coroner's office.

Update, 1:10 p.m. ET: Official causes of death: Rodas, the driver of the vehicle, died of multiple traumatic injuries; Walker, the passenger, died of the combined effects of traumatic and thermal injuries, the Los Angeles county coroner's office said

So no, he didn't die instantly.  He died from injuries (hopefully unconsciously) and then the fire finished him off.

Oh my god, you're a complete idiot. Do you even understand words?

Paul Walker did not die from his injuries and then get killed by the fire. Nobody did. That isn't possible. It makes no sense to suggest it.

Please just stop.

The DRIVER died of traumatic injuries from the accident, most likely blunt force trauma.

The LA County Coroner says that Walker died from traumatic injuries AND the fire.  Which means he was badly injured, and most likely would have died from the injuries because they were contributing to the death.  That's the foremost reason a coroner says "combined effects".

You really have no idea what you are talking about.


Yes, I do know what I'm talking about. I know the driver died of his injuries; nothing I said contradicts that, as you well know. That is not at all what my post addressed - again, as you well know.

You said (and I will quote you again): "So no, he didn't die instantly.  He died from injuries (hopefully unconsciously) and then the fire finished him off."

The coroner's statement (so far) could (not "does" ... "could"!) mean that he was unconscious or conscious with survivable injuries, but those injuries or unconscious state prevented him from being able to get out of the car, and so he burned to death OR died of smoke inhalation. It does NOT mean that he died of trauma, then died again.

If you did not mean to say that he died of his trauma and then the fire killed him, then just acknowledge it. Misstating something is easy, everyone does that. Arguing around the point to avoid acknowledging a minor error is illogical (if that's what you're doing, and I honestly can't tell if it is).
 
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