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(WorldNetDaily)   Americans are right to be wary of Pope Francis. His religious philosophy is a result of KGB influence in Latin America   (wnd.com ) divider line
    More: Scary, Pope Francis, Latin American, KGB, Americans, KGB influence, Pope Pius XII, trickle-down economics, economic power  
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2013-12-04 01:37:57 PM  
10 votes:

MrBallou: I've been hearing about this "Pope is a Marxist" thing, so I decided to make an exception to my no-WND click rule, just to catch up on exactly what they're saying.

Only got through a few paragraphs before everything went gray. Now my head hurts, my vision is blurred and I can't feel my feet. Please. Someone call a doctor.


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Alright, MrBallou, just listen. Everything is going to be fine. You're very over derped right now. You will probably be that way for about five more hours. Try taking some vitamin B complex, vitamin C complex.. if you have a beer, go ahead and drink it...

Just remember you're a living organism on this planet, and you're very safe. You've just taken a heavy derping. Relax, stay inside and listen to some music. Okay? Do you have any Allman Brothers?
2013-12-04 01:42:44 PM  
6 votes:
Surely, given that the Pope is a weak figure globally and red-baiting still has the strength it had at the height of the Cold War, this is a good strategy for the radical right to pursue. I encourage them to keep pushing on it.
2013-12-04 03:12:34 PM  
4 votes:
EVERYTHING I DONT LIKE IS MARXIST
2013-12-04 01:47:02 PM  
4 votes:
Soo.. they are saying that Jesus was KGB?
2013-12-04 01:31:00 PM  
4 votes:
If the Pope is a Marxist and Obama is a Marxist, then OBAMA IS THE POPE

Mind. Blown.
2013-12-04 01:28:12 PM  
4 votes:

Wendy's Chili: Obama's Reptiloid Master: meat0918: More evidence in the "American's do not worship the God of the New Testament" column.

Just leave the jackboots at home when you come for the non-believers please.  They are so unflattering to the full waisted figures that are the epitome of American Christianity.

Today on my way to work I saw a message scrawled on the back of a pickup, written in shoe polish, excoriating the president for being a dictator and king and concluding with a Bible verse. I couldn't believe I was seeing paranoid schizophrenia in real time so I pulled alongside this patriot, only to discover the fattest man I have ever seen crammed into a Ford Ranger, wearing a USMC cap and camo balaclava.

Mmm... balaclava.


Either you've got one hell of a weird fetish, son, or you must be real fun at the shawarma cart.
2013-12-04 01:14:41 PM  
4 votes:

Hagbardr: Obama's Reptiloid Master: I would run New Pope's Marxopapist Inquisition. Just saying.

Nobody expects the Marxopapist Inquisition!


Our three greatest weapons are class consciousness, dialectical materialism, the New Pope, and an almost fanatical devotion to the Frankfurt School!
2013-12-04 01:06:31 PM  
4 votes:
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2013-12-04 03:13:00 PM  
3 votes:
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2013-12-04 02:57:04 PM  
3 votes:
Wait till they find out the last guy was a Nazi.
2013-12-04 02:08:40 PM  
3 votes:

BojanglesPaladin: Weaver95: The evangelicals are cool with the pro life thing but they really hate the thought of helping the poor.

Through the government. They really hate the thought of government help for the poor.

I can't personally stand most of the evengelicals, but they do quite a bit of charity work. (Not as much as the catholic church, mind you, but then, who does?)

I understand that you may not like them, but it's disingenuous to say they hate helping the poor.


Okay, they hate helping the poor in ways in which they can't put personal strings on it.

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2013-12-04 01:28:33 PM  
3 votes:
I've been hearing about this "Pope is a Marxist" thing, so I decided to make an exception to my no-WND click rule, just to catch up on exactly what they're saying.

Only got through a few paragraphs before everything went gray. Now my head hurts, my vision is blurred and I can't feel my feet. Please. Someone call a doctor.
2013-12-04 01:16:49 PM  
3 votes:
Worldn...

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2013-12-04 01:07:20 PM  
3 votes:
It's sad that it is scary when the Pope preaches the philosophy of Jesus.
2013-12-04 01:36:06 PM  
2 votes:
I am looking forward to the Catholic Church for Real Americans to be announced any day now.
2013-12-04 01:26:21 PM  
2 votes:

Obama's Reptiloid Master: meat0918: More evidence in the "American's do not worship the God of the New Testament" column.

Just leave the jackboots at home when you come for the non-believers please.  They are so unflattering to the full waisted figures that are the epitome of American Christianity.

Today on my way to work I saw a message scrawled on the back of a pickup, written in shoe polish, excoriating the president for being a dictator and king and concluding with a Bible verse. I couldn't believe I was seeing paranoid schizophrenia in real time so I pulled alongside this patriot, only to discover the fattest man I have ever seen crammed into a Ford Ranger, wearing a USMC cap and camo balaclava.


Mmm... balaclava.
2013-12-04 01:18:58 PM  
2 votes:

meat0918: More evidence in the "American's do not worship the God of the New Testament" column.

Just leave the jackboots at home when you come for the non-believers please.  They are so unflattering to the full waisted figures that are the epitome of American Christianity.


Today on my way to work I saw a message scrawled on the back of a pickup, written in shoe polish, excoriating the president for being a dictator and king and concluding with a Bible verse. I couldn't believe I was seeing paranoid schizophrenia in real time so I pulled alongside this patriot, only to discover the fattest man I have ever seen crammed into a Ford Ranger, wearing a USMC cap and camo balaclava.
2013-12-04 01:16:11 PM  
2 votes:
More evidence in the "American's do not worship the God of the New Testament" column.

Just leave the jackboots at home when you come for the non-believers please.  They are so unflattering to the full waisted figures that are the epitome of American Christianity.
2013-12-04 01:08:53 PM  
2 votes:

Obama's Reptiloid Master: I would run New Pope's Marxopapist Inquisition. Just saying.


Nobody expects the Marxopapist Inquisition!
2013-12-06 02:59:02 AM  
1 vote:

BojanglesPaladin: I think you may have just made my point for me.



What point is that exactly?  Seems like you've changed it a couple different times throughout the course of this discussion.  My point has always been that loudmouth asshole Christians have become the public face of Christianity in the US, and that if good Christians take offense to being lumped in with them, they should publicly decry/denounce/differentiate themselves from them or they have no right to whine about it.

BojanglesPaladin: But yes, by your logic, Bruce Springsteen and Bob Dylan should expect to be lumped in with Miley Cyrus and Marilyn Manson, because they have never made any effort to publicly differentiate themselves.



Stop making comparisons...seriously, just stop.  You are terrible at it.

BojanglesPaladin: And seriously. The Episcopal Church is ordaining openly gay and lesbian ministers. I think that is a very public differentiation.



I agree, that is outstanding and certainly a step in the right direction, but they need to accompany this with a greater media presence as well if they hope to take back the public perception of Christianity.  The pope is, by far, the best example of the right way to go about it.  I honestly hope good Christian leaders in the US follow his lead.
2013-12-06 02:11:19 AM  
1 vote:

guestguy: BojanglesPaladin: how many people have even heard of Joel Osteen?

How many people have heard of Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, James Dobson, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ted Cruz, Rick Santorum, Michelle Bachmann, etc?  Maybe they don't all strictly follow the prosperity doctrine in particular, but they are/were powerful media voices representing themselves as espousing Christian ideals.  These are examples of some of the most visible Christians in our country right now...they are acting as the public face of the religion.  Do the majority of Christians share the views of these people?  Because that's who they will be lumped in with if they don't publicly differentiate themselves from them.


I'm not sure that any of the people you listed espouse 'prosperity gospel' at all and some of them, like Rush Limbaugh don't even really identify as Christians. I think you may have just made my point for me.

But yes, by your logic, Bruce Springsteen and Bob Dylan should expect to be lumped in with Miley Cyrus and Marilyn Manson, because they have never made any effort to publicly differentiate themselves.

And seriously. The Episcopal Church is ordaining openly gay and lesbian ministers. I think that is a very public differentiation.

You just keep repeating yourself. You say that Christians have some obligation to denounce other Christians or else they should all expect to be treated like the least palatable of them all. And I say they have no such obligation, and the people who are prejudiced and insisting that they are all the same are the ones in error- they are the ones judging the majority based on their own perception of a sub-group, even when these unaffiliated mega churches are espousing a distorted quasi-theology that is in direct opposition to most Christian faiths.

Joel Osteen and his ilk have as much to do with Christianity as North Korea has to do with democracy.
2013-12-05 04:11:45 AM  
1 vote:

skullkrusher: BojanglesPaladin: skullkrusher: The only Protestants we had were of the blue blood variety.

We call those Episcopalians.

Catholic Lite.


Twice the fun,half the guilt...
2013-12-04 07:29:22 PM  
1 vote:
Reads article:  Trickle Down Economics

Checks year:  2013


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2013-12-04 07:12:54 PM  
1 vote:

skullkrusher: We call those Episcopalians.
Catholic Lite.


All the sacraments, half the guilt :)
2013-12-04 06:47:39 PM  
1 vote:

skullkrusher: The only Protestants we had were of the blue blood variety.


We call those Episcopalians.
2013-12-04 04:42:22 PM  
1 vote:
several of my favorite Latin Americans are named Jesus
2013-12-04 04:27:50 PM  
1 vote:
"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy My brothers. And you will know My name is the Lord when I lay My vengeance upon thee."

--Ron Paul
2013-12-04 04:10:08 PM  
1 vote:
Just to recap:

My wanting insurance policies to cover contraceptive medication... that's an assault on religious freedom.

Someone directly attacking the Pope himself... that's standing up for freedom!

Am I getting this right?
2013-12-04 03:45:50 PM  
1 vote:
It's nice to see WND finally admit the KGB did some good.
2013-12-04 03:29:06 PM  
1 vote:

Serious Black: "In 1935, more than 50% of the elderly population lived in poverty. Today that poverty rate stands officially at 9.4%."


That is an interesting statistic, but it may not "prove" exactly what you think it proves. I am not arguing that Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid are not good and worthwhile programs, but there is a causation/correlation issue that would have to accounted for, and a problem of metrics drift. The workforce has changed significantly in that time, for instance, so the number of women with no income is radically different then than it is today.

As your own link makes clear: "~~The U.S. Census Bureau did not begin tracking the poverty rate until 1959. On top of that, data for individuals aged 65 and older are not available for the years 1960 through 1965."

As a simple illustration, an elderly mother of the local bank owner in 1935 would register as having no income and therefore 'living in poverty', but her wealthy son bought her a home, and a maid and someone to cook her very nice meals every day. While an elderly woman today with Social security income and a modest pension left from her dead husband could be above the federal poverty line.

More important, and why your stat isn;t quite the proof I think you hope it would be is that that super high poverty rate includes people who relied on CHARITY for survival. "Dependent poverty among the old grew inexorably, from 23 percent in 1910 to 40 percent in 1930, and 50 percent in 1935." So there is a bit of a double count. Half of those 'in poverty' were being taken care of by private charity.

Again, not disputing at all that improvements have not been made, and no question that poverty is way down from the peak in the 30s. But as your own cite correctly points out "We found no official statistics for the rate of elderly poverty for the year 1935, only academic projections, and making apples-to-apples comparisons between eras is difficult."
2013-12-04 03:16:46 PM  
1 vote:
HOLY FARK! It took today's "conservatism" in this exceptional and mostly "Christian" nation to go and finally malign the biggest living figure of Christianity on Earth,

Please! Someone put Francis in the LOPCATGOPATA if he is not there already.
2013-12-04 02:40:36 PM  
1 vote:

Felgraf: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Felgraf: BojanglesPaladin: Serious Black: If your moral philosophy suggests that poor people are that way because God is punishing them for being sinful wretches, then you might hate the poor just a little bit.

I am not aware of any religious denomination that teaches that. Nor have I ever encountered anyone who has said that. (I have, however, seen a lot of people who say that OTHER people believe that.)


You haven't encountered the prosperity gospel?

ARe you living under a rock?

/Hint: It god makes you rich because you are faithful/good, that kind of implies that if you're poor, you're just not being faithful/good enough.

I'm surprised he hasn't encountered it either; it stems logically from Calvin's ideas and is a non-fringe idea in mainstream Protestantism.

It also makes me frothingly *angry*. I'm not really sure I even count as a Christian anymore (I'm... not really sure WHAT I count as. Pratchettist?), but the prosperity gospel is such a perversion of the original work and message it just... really, really makes me angry. I think it in part has to do with the *willful* ignorance that must be part and parcel of it, since the bible rather explicitly states, repeatedly, *THAT IT DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY*.


I'm convinced some sort of Lovecraftian monstrosity from the darkest portion of the cosmos is manipulating the minds of American Christians into worshipping it while they still believe they are worshipping Christ.
2013-12-04 02:34:19 PM  
1 vote:
Wow.


Just.......just WOW.
2013-12-04 02:17:04 PM  
1 vote:

Weaver95: Serious Black: I love how people are all but calling Francis a heretic and blasphemer.

Well, to the prosperity gospel types Francis is a very real threat to their ideology.


John Hagee's MegaChurch is only about 10 miles from here.

I'd really like to go in there, say "This is supposed to be a house of prayer, but you have made it a den of commerce", and see what happens.
2013-12-04 02:10:18 PM  
1 vote:
Catholics, you are useless to the Right if you do not toe their Christian Evangelical fundamentalist line.
2013-12-04 01:57:39 PM  
1 vote:

www.wearysloth.com


R.I.P. FRANCIS

2013-12-04 01:54:43 PM  
1 vote:

simplicimus: Serious Black: I love how people are all but calling Francis a heretic and blasphemer.

It's going to be fun when the CINOs in the Congress have to rationalize their way around the new Pope.


I just spent a few minutes trying to find reactions from Paul Ryan and some other Republican Catholics to Francis, but all I'm finding are crickets.
2013-12-04 01:53:40 PM  
1 vote:
Many factors spawn violence such as religion, land, drugs, natural resources and power.

That Commie bastard!!!!! And wow, since I've been living not under a rock, but a stack of 200,000,000 progressively larger ones, I didn't know that the Vatican was immensely wealthy, how DARE he reveal that?
2013-12-04 01:47:04 PM  
1 vote:

coyo: Obama's Reptiloid Master: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: If the Pope is a Marxist and Obama is a Marxist, then OBAMA IS THE POPE

Mind. Blown.

Muslims can be pope now? The caliphate is upon us. Bi-lal kaifa!

That's the balaclaliphate to you. Maybe the baklavaphate?


I support a system of government based off of phylo dough and honey.
2013-12-04 01:45:06 PM  
1 vote:
go fark yourself WND.

I have a man-crush on Pope Francis

/not even Catholic
2013-12-04 01:31:41 PM  
1 vote:

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: If the Pope is a Marxist and Obama is a Marxist, then OBAMA IS THE POPE

Mind. Blown.


Muslims can be pope now? The caliphate is upon us. Bi-lal kaifa!
2013-12-04 01:26:20 PM  
1 vote:
Well, Jesus' whole "Love everyone & share everything" philosophy is rather pink tinged....
2013-12-04 01:17:57 PM  
1 vote:

ikanreed: Did everyone else see their might-as-well-be-KKK race-baiting "deal of the day" book on the sidebar?

Holy shiat.  How can you get more racist than "White girl bleed a lot"?

With a subtitle transcribing loosely as "how black people are going to kill a bunch of white people any day now."  But don't you dare call them racist.


Oh, and of course it turns out WND is publishing that book themselves.  Damned racists.
2013-12-04 01:12:50 PM  
1 vote:

Serious Black: I love how people are all but calling Francis a heretic and blasphemer.


Well, Jesus wouldn't have endorsed this "poor people are people too" thing.
2013-12-04 01:11:10 PM  
1 vote:

Hagbardr: Obama's Reptiloid Master: I would run New Pope's Marxopapist Inquisition. Just saying.

Nobody expects the Marxopapist Inquisition!


Among our weapons are fear, surprise, and a fanatical devotion to Lenin and Stalin...I'll come in again.
2013-12-04 01:06:47 PM  
1 vote:
I would run New Pope's Marxopapist Inquisition. Just saying.
 
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