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(WorldNetDaily)   Americans are right to be wary of Pope Francis. His religious philosophy is a result of KGB influence in Latin America   (wnd.com ) divider line
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2013-12-04 01:07:20 PM  
17 votes:
It's sad that it is scary when the Pope preaches the philosophy of Jesus.
2013-12-04 04:08:48 PM  
6 votes:
 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat


 House Republicans narrowly pushed through a bill on Thursday that slashes billions of dollars from the food stamp program, over the objections of Democrats and a veto threat from President Obama. The bill, written under the direction of the House majority leader, Eric Cantor, Republican of Virginia, would cut $40 billion from the food stamp program over the next 10 years.   http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/20/us/politics/house-passes-bill-cutti n g-40-billion-from-food-stamps.html

 I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink

 Democrats spent much of Tuesday arguing against the cuts to WIC already included in the bill, and all can be expected to vote against further cuts.

Republicans also offered several amendments that would cut the Food for Peace program. Rep. Paul (R-Ariz.) proposed cutting it by $200 million, offered a separate amendment to cut it by $100 million, and Rep. Broun proposed zeroing out the program entirely, a $940 million cut.  Recorded votes on all of these are expected later Wednesday.Other votes are expected on amendments to cut $180 million from the McGovern-Dole International Food for Education and Child Nutrition program grants, and cut $175 million from the Foreign Agricultural Service. Both of these amendments are also from Broun.http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/166653-republicans -looking -to-gut-wic-food-programs-in-amendment-debate

 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in

In the House, though, and specifically among Republican members and the GOP base, the very idea of any kind of pathway to citizenship is seen as a deal killer for immigration reform. Based on the polling, though, it seems rather obvious that this is yet another issue where Republicans are out of step with the country as a whole.

GOP presidential contender Herman Cain walked back comments Sunday that he made a day earlier when he called for a deadly electric fence on the United States-Mexico border. "That's a joke," Cain said on NBC's "Meet the Press.   http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/16/electric-fence-remark - was-a-joke-cain-says/

I needed clothes and you did not clothe me

  COSTA MESA, Calif. -- Army veteran Don Matyja was getting by alright on the streets of this city tucked in Southern California suburbia until he got ticketed for smoking in the park. Matyja, who has been homeless since he was evicted nearly two years ago, had trouble paying the fine and getting to court - and now a $25 penalty has ballooned to $600.  The ticket is just one of myriad new challenges facing Matyja and others living on the streets in Orange County, where a number of cities have recently passed ordinances that ban everything from smoking in the park to sleeping in cars to leaning bikes against trees in a region better known for its beaches than its 30,000 homeless people.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/08/cities-homeless-regu lations-b udgets_n_1947719.html

In 2012, thanks to Republicans ending the tax break Michigan residents can receive for charitable giving, most people predicted that charitable giving would plummet. It wasn't a risky prediction, of course. It's common sense. It was a move made by the GOP to pay, in part, for a massive tax break they gave to corporations. Well, the results are in and, as predicted, the impact is having profound effects on the ability of Michigan's food pantries to keep up with ever increasing demands on their services.  http://www.eclectablog.com/2013/11/michigan-republicans-ending-of-tax - credits-for-charitable-giving-coming-home-to-roost.html

"Things like the federal shutdown and all of this wrangling in Washington over the debt ceiling aren't helping," Palmer said of the Chronicle's research. "Those kinds of things don't help people feel charitable or feel like giving as much as they gave in the past." Other findings included the growing significance of so-called "donor-advised-funds," like Fidelity Charitable, which have allowed rich philanthropists to "park" money and receive an immediate tax benefit even though the funds may not actually be given to a particular charity until weeks or months later.  http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-charitable-giving-2013 1 021,0,3104421.story#ixzz2mXeoGoAU

I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.

For all the wrong done during this stormy session of the General Assembly, the greatest wrong remains what lawmakers have chosen not to do: expand Medicaid.
Republicans who lead the legislature have balked out of spite. The expansion is a key part of President Obama's Affordable Care Act, and they want no part of "Obamacare." Republican Gov. Pat McCrory has said he would consider expansion after North Carolina's "broken" Medicaid system is fixed.
The Republicans' reasons for opting out vary, but the effect is same: A forgoing of federal funds that will leave many low-income people uninsured and will cost the state and hospitals more for uncompensated care. Those consequences did not stop North Carolina and 14 other states - all with Republican governors - from refusing to participate.http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/06/06/2944030/nc-needs-t o-look-again- at-medicaid.html#storylink=cpy

The folly and cruelty of refusing the Medicaid expansion have been much discussed. But the cost of also saying no to a state-run exchange has not been so apparent or much debated. Its effects didn't begin to materialize until last week, when Blue Cross and Blue Shield and Coventry Health Care posted their plans and premium prices on the North Carolina exchange being run by the federal government.Considering the meager competition - Blue Cross is the only statewide provider, and Coventry is offering plans in only 39 of the state's 100 counties - the premium prices are surprisingly reasonable after federal subsidies are included. But while rates may be affordable, it's harder to calculate how much may be missing from North Carolina plans compared with those at the same price in states that fully cooperated with the new law.http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/10/05/3256323/ncs-cost-of-obsti nance- of-obamacare.html#storylink=cpy

(August 2012) Since 2002, the United States has had the highest incarceration rate in the world. Although prison populations are increasing in some parts of the world, the natural rate of incarceration for countries comparable to the United States tends to stay around 100 prisoners per 100,000 population. The U.S. rate is 500 prisoners per 100,000 residents, or about 1.6 million prisoners in 2010, according to the latest available data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS).  Men make up 90 percent of the prison and local jail population, and they have an imprisonment rate 14 times higher than the rate for women.2 And these men are overwhelmingly young: Incarceration rates are highest for those in their 20s and early 30s. Prisoners also tend to be less educated: The average state prisoner has a 10th grade education, and about 70 percent have not completed high school.3 Incarceration rates are significantly higher for blacks and Latinos than for whites. In 2010, black men were incarcerated at a rate of 3,074 per 100,000 residents; Latinos were incarcerated at 1,258 per 100,000, and white men were incarcerated at 459 per 100,000.http://www.prb.org/Publications/Articles/2012/us-incarcerati on.aspx

"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' "He will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'

"Then they will go away to eternal punishment
2013-12-04 01:16:49 PM  
5 votes:
Worldn...

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2013-12-04 02:00:26 PM  
4 votes:

Mikey1969: Even the poorest of the poor in the United States live far better than the rest of the world because capitalism works.


Really? The "poorest of the poor live far better than the entire "rest of the world"? So the US has a median income of $51,000, so let's say the poor live off a third of that. NOBODY on the planet makes MORE than $17,000 a year?

Hell that's the farthest I've gotten to this point, came up for air and a pair of hip waders...


I think he means poor Americans are better off than poor people anywhere else. Which is patently absurd and also ignores the fact that that poverty is purely manufactured, unnecessary and only exists at all to enrich the already insanely wealthy.
2013-12-04 01:57:03 PM  
4 votes:
I'm really glad the new pope came along,

For a long time, people have been saying  "if Jesus DID come back, Conservative Christians would be the first ones in line to crucify him again."

The pope has been the best evidence thus far that i's 100% true. He's not Jesus, but he's the first major leader in a very long time to -REALLY- preach Jesus' message, and they are ready to set his ass on fire and dump the ashes into the middle of the farking ocean.

He basically stood up and said "once and for all, who's your savior? Jesus Christ or Rush Limbaugh?" and they have made their choice very farking clear.
2013-12-04 01:35:20 PM  
4 votes:

Serious Black: I love how people are all but calling Francis a heretic and blasphemer.


Well, to the prosperity gospel types Francis is a very real threat to their ideology.
2013-12-04 02:15:32 PM  
3 votes:

BojanglesPaladin: Weaver95: The evangelicals are cool with the pro life thing but they really hate the thought of helping the poor.

Through the government. They really hate the thought of government help for the poor.

I can't personally stand most of the evengelicals, but they do quite a bit of charity work. (Not as much as the catholic church, mind you, but then, who does?)

I understand that you may not like them, but it's disingenuous to say they hate helping the poor.


Private charities, while certainly better than nothing, cannot solve the structural causes of poverty. It takes societal initiative to attack the problem at the roots. The point of anything related to helping human beings should be the elimination of specific social ills. The question to be asked is "How do we end starvation?", not "How do we keep the poor alive? ". Private charity is a good thing, but by and large it's a solution to the latter question. Governments can answer the former.

As far as I'm concerned, if the religious right is not willing to accept structural anti-poverty initiatives, they are more concerned about making themselves feel good than with providing any real help.
2013-12-04 02:10:50 PM  
3 votes:

BojanglesPaladin: Weaver95: The evangelicals are cool with the pro life thing but they really hate the thought of helping the poor.

Through the government. They really hate the thought of government help for the poor.

I can't personally stand most of the evengelicals, but they do quite a bit of charity work. (Not as much as the catholic church, mind you, but then, who does?)

I understand that you may not like them, but it's disingenuous to say they hate helping the poor.


You know, I have worked in charity and social justice work across this country for a farking decade, and I have never met any evangelical Christians in it at all. I've met lots of left-wing Christians. Met lots of Catholics. Lots of atheists and Buddhists and even the occasional Muslim. I've only ever run into evangelical Christians in cases where they were proselytizing to disadvantaged people by offering weak "aid" with strings attached and our groups had to step in and provide real help to their victims.
2013-12-04 01:34:41 PM  
3 votes:

Sergeant Grumbles: ikanreed: Well, Jesus wouldn't have endorsed this "poor people are people too" thing.

I've seen a disturbing number quoting Jesus as saying "The poor will always be with us." as evidence that we should end all social programs because none of them will ever help, or that Jesus was seriously insisting hat the poor will never take responsibility for themselves.

Was that a Glenn Beck quote I missed or something?

Because I don't know how you twist something that much without direction.


Because they're brainwashed?  It's not hard to see that.  There's an active component to getting people to believe untrue things to help concentrate wealth at the top.
2013-12-04 01:31:00 PM  
3 votes:
If the Pope is a Marxist and Obama is a Marxist, then OBAMA IS THE POPE

Mind. Blown.
2013-12-04 01:18:59 PM  
3 votes:

meat0918: More evidence in the "American's do not worship the God of the New Testament" column.

Just leave the jackboots at home when you come for the non-believers please.  They are so unflattering to the full waisted figures that are the epitome of American Christianity.


Yeah, that's the thing that strikes me here.  What Pope Francis is proposing here is not radical in any sense: he's just saying "Let's refocus our energy on what is important and vital in Christianity and not so much on gays and/or abortion."   It just shows how many people would rather just derp about the gays than actually have to do something that might require them to help out the poors.
2013-12-04 01:18:25 PM  
3 votes:

meat0918: More evidence in the "American's do not worship the God of the New Testament" column.

Just leave the jackboots at home when you come for the non-believers please.  They are so unflattering to the full waisted figures that are the epitome of American Christianity.


Christianity is the only major world religion to have it's collective panties in a bunch over contraception....even Islam is okay with it.  That should tell you where Christians are currently rating on the "civilization" scale.
2013-12-05 10:41:58 PM  
2 votes:

BojanglesPaladin: how many people have even heard of Joel Osteen?


How many people have heard of Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, James Dobson, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ted Cruz, Rick Santorum, Michelle Bachmann, etc?  Maybe they don't all strictly follow the prosperity doctrine in particular, but they are/were powerful media voices representing themselves as espousing Christian ideals.  These are examples of some of the most visible Christians in our country right now...they are acting as the public face of the religion.  Do the majority of Christians share the views of these people?  Because that's who they will be lumped in with if they don't publicly differentiate themselves from them.
2013-12-05 01:40:11 AM  
2 votes:
Look, fine... I'll be serious for a minute.

Snap was just cut by $5 billion dollars during a time in which those on the bottom end of our society are hurting about as bad as they ever have, and conservatives support it by about 70%. The roughly 30% who don't will likely continue to support the movement and party that allowed it to happen and encourages shredding the safety net even more.

You can spare me all the crap about "not all conservatives hate compassion" because at the end of the day, in the practical world, when you're taking food money out of the hands of the very poorest among us, it's a distinction without a farking difference whether or not someone "hates" compassion, or is simply indifferent, or even if they actually take the time to pay lip service to compassion.

What farking good does it do to be compassionate if you don't act on it?

What farking difference does it make to be compassionate if you endorse the very same policies that the ugly, angry, dollar-bill throwing mob cheers on?

So yeah, I talk shiat about conservatives. But not because I want internet high fives. Not because I want to take part in a liberal circle-jerk. I do it because I farking hate them. Because they're rotten dicks who support atrocious and mean-spirited policies. You can try to attach a bunch of high-minded economic philosophy to WHY they support those policies... but I'm tired of playing the let's be polite and agree to disagree game when it gets to the point that we're talking about whether or not children should be allowed to go hungry.
2013-12-04 03:12:34 PM  
2 votes:
EVERYTHING I DONT LIKE IS MARXIST
2013-12-04 03:10:03 PM  
2 votes:

BojanglesPaladin: machodonkeywrestler: Private charities might be contributing, but they are FAILING. That is why the government needs to step in

You might not have noticed, but government HAS stepped in. Would you say they are succeeding?


"In 1935, more than 50% of the elderly population lived in poverty. Today that poverty rate stands officially at 9.4%."

Unless there is some other cause that you can think of outside of the creation of Social Security and Medicare, I'd say yes, they can succeed.
2013-12-04 02:48:30 PM  
2 votes:

BojanglesPaladin: Felgraf: You haven't encountered the prosperity gospel?

Which denomination is that again?


"The Neo-Pentecostal movement has been characterized in part by an emphasis on prosperity theology, which gained greater acceptance within charismatic Christianity during the late 1990s. By 2006, three of the four largest congregations in the United States were teaching prosperity theology, and Joel Osteen has been credited with spreading it outside of the Pentecostal and Charismatic movement through his books, which have sold over 4 million copies. Bruce Wilkinson's The Prayer of Jabez also sold millions of copies and invited readers to seek prosperity.

By the 2000s, adherents of prosperity theology in the United States were most common in the Sun Belt. In the late 2000s, proponents claimed that tens of millions of Christians had accepted prosperity theology. A 2006 poll by Time reported that 17 percent of Christians in America said they identified with the movement. There is no official governing body for the movement, though many ministries are unofficially linked.

In 2007, U.S. Senator Chuck Grassley opened a probe into the finances of six televangelism ministries that promoted prosperity theology: Kenneth Copeland Ministries, Creflo Dollar Ministries, Benny Hinn Ministries, Bishop Eddie Long Ministries, Joyce Meyer Ministries, and Paula White Ministries. In January 2011, Grassley concluded his investigation stating that he believed self-regulation by religious organizations was preferable to government action. Only the ministries led by Meyer and Hinn cooperated fully with Grassley's investigation."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology
2013-12-04 02:29:32 PM  
2 votes:

BojanglesPaladin: I can't speak to your experience, but I notice you simultaneously say you've never found them in charity work where you were at the same time you say you have found them doing charity work in a way you don't like.


No, I'm saying targeting marginalized people for conversion using carrot-and-stick coercion in no way qualifies as charity let alone real help.
2013-12-04 02:18:07 PM  
2 votes:

offmymeds: FTA:  "Trickle-down" theories do promote economic growth when encouraged by a free market with less government regulations, and do bring about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world.

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The pic is new, but the quote is quite old, I think 1890s
2013-12-04 02:08:40 PM  
2 votes:

BojanglesPaladin: Weaver95: The evangelicals are cool with the pro life thing but they really hate the thought of helping the poor.

Through the government. They really hate the thought of government help for the poor.

I can't personally stand most of the evengelicals, but they do quite a bit of charity work. (Not as much as the catholic church, mind you, but then, who does?)

I understand that you may not like them, but it's disingenuous to say they hate helping the poor.


Okay, they hate helping the poor in ways in which they can't put personal strings on it.

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2013-12-04 01:56:01 PM  
2 votes:
Hasn't it been pretty much proven that the only real influence in the central/south America during the post Cuban Missile Crisis era was the USA going down there because commies?

Do these farktards not realize that the biggest enemy to democracy in the modern world has more often than not been the US and not the Communist USSR?

I give up, fark these guys. You don't want to listen to history, whether it pertains to what you hold so dear or to your own goddamn faith, fark it. I don't care. You WND asshats are off the deep end. Hit the restart button on your brain, you're suffering a Blue Brain of Derp error message.

...farking retards....

jake_lex: The Republicans just don't want that Catholic vote, do they.


It's not like Catholics make up a majority of the vote in a region that the GOP hasn't won consistently on a national level since the 1920s...what? really? You don't say? Well fark, okay guys. Have fun with your circle jerk. Jesus and the rest of us will be over here, just chillin'

/hey Buddha, can you get the KFC?
2013-12-04 01:50:45 PM  
2 votes:
As an actual heretic, I have a modicum of respect for the current Pope. He seems like a guy who's honestly going on what the Bible says about living a good life through a somewhat modern lens. Helps that he's actually walking the walk with his plain stuff, old car, and the fact he doesn't look or act like a Dark Lord of the Sith.
2013-12-04 01:46:43 PM  
2 votes:

Rev. Skarekroe: They're actually scared of this guy, aren't they?


Yes, very much so. Pope Francis is someone the evangelicals are terrified of having to confront.
2013-12-04 01:42:44 PM  
2 votes:
Surely, given that the Pope is a weak figure globally and red-baiting still has the strength it had at the height of the Cold War, this is a good strategy for the radical right to pursue. I encourage them to keep pushing on it.
2013-12-04 01:39:06 PM  
2 votes:
They're actually scared of this guy, aren't they?
2013-12-04 01:37:57 PM  
2 votes:

MrBallou: I've been hearing about this "Pope is a Marxist" thing, so I decided to make an exception to my no-WND click rule, just to catch up on exactly what they're saying.

Only got through a few paragraphs before everything went gray. Now my head hurts, my vision is blurred and I can't feel my feet. Please. Someone call a doctor.


poptop12.files.wordpress.com

Alright, MrBallou, just listen. Everything is going to be fine. You're very over derped right now. You will probably be that way for about five more hours. Try taking some vitamin B complex, vitamin C complex.. if you have a beer, go ahead and drink it...

Just remember you're a living organism on this planet, and you're very safe. You've just taken a heavy derping. Relax, stay inside and listen to some music. Okay? Do you have any Allman Brothers?
2013-12-04 01:36:06 PM  
2 votes:
I am looking forward to the Catholic Church for Real Americans to be announced any day now.
2013-12-04 01:36:05 PM  
2 votes:

jake_lex: meat0918: More evidence in the "American's do not worship the God of the New Testament" column.

Just leave the jackboots at home when you come for the non-believers please.  They are so unflattering to the full waisted figures that are the epitome of American Christianity.

Yeah, that's the thing that strikes me here.  What Pope Francis is proposing here is not radical in any sense: he's just saying "Let's refocus our energy on what is important and vital in Christianity and not so much on gays and/or abortion."   It just shows how many people would rather just derp about the gays than actually have to do something that might require them to help out the poors.


Personally I think its less of Pope Francis being a genuinely "good guy" and more of a schism between the loose coalition of catholics/christians here. Think about how for the last thirty years, catholic and christians have been rather united, especially looking back and seeing how there was a very real segment of protestants afraid of a catholic president (JFK). So all of these Mega-Church preachers/politicians realize that while they have operated with the unspoken consent of The Roman Catholic Church, for the first time there is actually friction between the two power bases and it has scared the shiat out of them. So how do they attempt to keep their power base (and more importantly money) flowing? Attempt to isolate the pope by using political rhetoric like calling him a liberal.
2013-12-04 01:28:33 PM  
2 votes:
I've been hearing about this "Pope is a Marxist" thing, so I decided to make an exception to my no-WND click rule, just to catch up on exactly what they're saying.

Only got through a few paragraphs before everything went gray. Now my head hurts, my vision is blurred and I can't feel my feet. Please. Someone call a doctor.
2013-12-04 01:26:20 PM  
2 votes:
Well, Jesus' whole "Love everyone & share everything" philosophy is rather pink tinged....
2013-12-04 01:25:27 PM  
2 votes:
.... HAVE YOU farkS EVEN READ THE farkING BIBLE?!

WHAT THE fark.

IT SAYS, EXPLICITLY, NOT EVEN IN A FARKING PARABLE, THAT YOU CANNOT WORSHIP BOTH GOD AND MAMMON.

SINCE JESUS WAS TALKING *TO* JEWS WHEN HE SAID THIS, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR HE'S NOT TALKING ABOUT MAMMON THE farkING GOD.

Just. I. AAARRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
2013-12-04 01:17:28 PM  
2 votes:
he's not preaching prosperity gospel so he must hate merkins
2013-12-04 01:16:11 PM  
2 votes:
More evidence in the "American's do not worship the God of the New Testament" column.

Just leave the jackboots at home when you come for the non-believers please.  They are so unflattering to the full waisted figures that are the epitome of American Christianity.
2013-12-04 01:13:14 PM  
2 votes:
That's a bunch of horseshiat. From what I've read in transcripts he was complicit of acting in concert with the military junta of Argentina during the Dirty War.
2013-12-06 02:11:19 AM  
1 vote:

guestguy: BojanglesPaladin: how many people have even heard of Joel Osteen?

How many people have heard of Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, James Dobson, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ted Cruz, Rick Santorum, Michelle Bachmann, etc?  Maybe they don't all strictly follow the prosperity doctrine in particular, but they are/were powerful media voices representing themselves as espousing Christian ideals.  These are examples of some of the most visible Christians in our country right now...they are acting as the public face of the religion.  Do the majority of Christians share the views of these people?  Because that's who they will be lumped in with if they don't publicly differentiate themselves from them.


I'm not sure that any of the people you listed espouse 'prosperity gospel' at all and some of them, like Rush Limbaugh don't even really identify as Christians. I think you may have just made my point for me.

But yes, by your logic, Bruce Springsteen and Bob Dylan should expect to be lumped in with Miley Cyrus and Marilyn Manson, because they have never made any effort to publicly differentiate themselves.

And seriously. The Episcopal Church is ordaining openly gay and lesbian ministers. I think that is a very public differentiation.

You just keep repeating yourself. You say that Christians have some obligation to denounce other Christians or else they should all expect to be treated like the least palatable of them all. And I say they have no such obligation, and the people who are prejudiced and insisting that they are all the same are the ones in error- they are the ones judging the majority based on their own perception of a sub-group, even when these unaffiliated mega churches are espousing a distorted quasi-theology that is in direct opposition to most Christian faiths.

Joel Osteen and his ilk have as much to do with Christianity as North Korea has to do with democracy.
2013-12-05 11:47:52 AM  
1 vote:
Protip:  If conservatives don't like being stereotyped as selfish, uncompassionate troglodytes they should probably stop hanging out with and directly supporting a bunch of selfish, uncompassionate troglodytes.
2013-12-04 07:12:54 PM  
1 vote:

skullkrusher: We call those Episcopalians.
Catholic Lite.


All the sacraments, half the guilt :)
2013-12-04 06:06:25 PM  
1 vote:
...and of course, one of the best ways we could be "doing a hell of a lot better on it" is by not allowing business and the wealthy to run buck-farking-wild pressing their advantage and creating so many people who need "charity" to begin with.
2013-12-04 04:54:49 PM  
1 vote:

DeaH: Looking at the Fundamentalists, not turning the Bible into a graven image to worship above God's Creations seems sort of smart.


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Seen above: Irony.
2013-12-04 04:42:22 PM  
1 vote:
several of my favorite Latin Americans are named Jesus
2013-12-04 04:27:50 PM  
1 vote:
"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy My brothers. And you will know My name is the Lord when I lay My vengeance upon thee."

--Ron Paul
2013-12-04 04:15:56 PM  
1 vote:

BojanglesPaladin: technicolor-misfit: So, while there are a lot of good Christians who don't believe that bullshiat, maybe they ought to take issue with the ones who are preaching it and creating the perception, rather than other people who take note and criticize it.

I'm not sure where to go with your weird view of the obligations of one group of Christians to squelch another group who thinks differently, or how you think that would be a good idea, and I have no idea how you think Joel Osteen trumps the Vatican for instance, but I don't see any point fighting about it.



I'm not saying they have an obligation to take issue with them.

I'm saying that if they don't care enough to make the distinction when other Christians are LOUDLY and FREQUENTLY saying "this is what Christianity is," then they have much right to get all butthurt when other people don't take the time to make the distinction for them.

It's not "squelching" someone to offer a counter position. And it's a good idea because if you don't want people thinking "Christians believe X," then when a bunch of Christians are on TV saying "Christians totally believe X," then it's a good idea to say "No... not really."

The way it goes now is:

GUY 1: "Christians believe marriage is between a man and a woman! Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!!! We, as Christians, believe this country ought to stand strong against the homosexual agenda to subvert the sanctity of holy matrimony!!!"

GUY 2: "....."

GUY 1: "The Bible said 'the poor will be with us always.' You can't make poverty go away.. and it ain't the government's job to enforce Christian charity. It has to be done out of people's hearts. It don't mean nothing if it's enforced at the barrel of a gun!!!"

GUY 2: "...."

GUY 1: "Everything wrong with this country can be traced directly to taking God out of our schools! Until we put the Lord back at the center of our communities, in the heart of our schools and ask Him to look over our children each and every day, this country is going to remain on a road to ruin. What more important lesson can children learn in those classrooms than that of the love that their Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ has for them, and the sacrifice He made for them on the cross."

GUY 2: "...."

GUY 3: "Wow... Christians sure believe a lot of stupid shiat these days."

GUY 2: "NOT ALL CHRISTIANS THINK THAT WAY, ASSHOLE!!!!"


I'm not saying GUY 2 has an obligation to take GUY 1 to task. But, it sure is interesting that he doesn't have a problem taking GUY 3 to task.
2013-12-04 04:10:27 PM  
1 vote:
STOP proselytizing! The bible commands you!

"When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. "But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you. "And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words....
2013-12-04 04:10:08 PM  
1 vote:
Just to recap:

My wanting insurance policies to cover contraceptive medication... that's an assault on religious freedom.

Someone directly attacking the Pope himself... that's standing up for freedom!

Am I getting this right?
2013-12-04 03:28:01 PM  
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BojanglesPaladin: technicolor-misfit: A 2006 poll by Time reported that 17 percent of Christians in America said they identified with the movement.

Which means that 83% (the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of Christians) are NOT Prosperity doctrine.

technicolor-misfit: In the late 2000s, proponents claimed that tens of millions of Christians had accepted prosperity theology.

I wonder if you likewise accept it as proven fact when people like Rush Limbaugh claim that most Americans are right-wing conservatives?

I do not.



You keep taking the criticisms that are clearly directed at "Conservative Christianity" and acting as if people are saying ALL Christians are like that.

They're just the most vocal and the most obnoxious. I know damn well there are a great many very good Christians in this country.

When someone criticizes Christians for doing X, then clearly Christians who don't do X should not take it personally.

I'm not going to delineate precisely which Christians I mean every goddamn time I make a point about the assholes... particularly when the "good ones" quite frankly aren't doing enough to make the distinction themselves.

How about instead of getting butthurt and shouting "not all Christians believe that!!!" when someone criticizes something like prosperity doctrine, maybe the good Christians should shout "bullshiat" when other Christians advocate crap like prosperity doctrine.

The conservatives are the ones who make the noise. They took the mic for Christianity in America and said "THIS is what Christianity is." And, until Pope Francis came along, there hasn't really been anyone in Christianity standing up to say "the hell it is!"

So, while there are a lot of good Christians who don't believe that bullshiat, maybe they ought to take issue with the ones who are preaching it and creating the perception, rather than other people who take note and criticize it.
2013-12-04 03:22:29 PM  
1 vote:

unexplained bacon: Today's GOP is so full of the worst kind of people that even something so obvious as the pope calling for his followers to be generous and forgiving is seen as an attack on them.


think about that....

/sociopaths, liars, the mentally ill, and the ultra-rich
//looking forward to hearing all about it during your primaries. Speak up patriots, make sure everyone can hear you.


Don't forget their largest constituency: Frightened dupes. The end of the Cold War and the gradual destigmatization of the left after the political left was driven completely into the ground for most of the 20th century is terrifying to a lot of these people who have had capitalist propaganda injected directly into their eyeballs for most of their lives.
2013-12-04 03:21:01 PM  
1 vote:
I reiterate the point that you judge a man by the enemies he earns: this Pope is doing alright in my book.

Of course, this is coming from a Buddhist who attends Unitarian services, so take that for what you will...
2013-12-04 03:18:56 PM  
1 vote:
Today's GOP is so full of the worst kind of people that even something so obvious as the pope calling for his followers to be generous and forgiving is seen as an attack on them.


think about that....

/sociopaths, liars, the mentally ill, and the ultra-rich
//looking forward to hearing all about it during your primaries. Speak up patriots, make sure everyone can hear you.
2013-12-04 03:16:46 PM  
1 vote:
HOLY FARK! It took today's "conservatism" in this exceptional and mostly "Christian" nation to go and finally malign the biggest living figure of Christianity on Earth,

Please! Someone put Francis in the LOPCATGOPATA if he is not there already.
2013-12-04 03:15:11 PM  
1 vote:
If this pope were genuinely concerned with the plight of the wealthy he would dump all the church's assets, property and gold and use the proceeds to enrich the flock.  This will never happen.  The pope is concerned with keeping parishioners numbers up!
2013-12-04 03:14:44 PM  
1 vote:

YoungSwedishBlonde: EVERYTHING I DONT LIKE IS MARXIST


That does seem to be the standard issue republican reply don't it?
2013-12-04 03:13:00 PM  
1 vote:
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2013-12-04 03:07:25 PM  
1 vote:

BojanglesPaladin: machodonkeywrestler: Private charities might be contributing, but they are FAILING. That is why the government needs to step in

You might not have noticed, but government HAS stepped in. Would you say they are succeeding?


Compared to private charity, actually, yes, public anti-poverty efforts have been enormously successful up until the radical right began dismantling them.
2013-12-04 02:55:45 PM  
1 vote:
You know, for people who believe in hell, they sure are working hard to end up there.
2013-12-04 02:43:15 PM  
1 vote:

BojanglesPaladin: Serious Black: If your moral philosophy suggests that poor people are that way because God is punishing them for being sinful wretches, then you might hate the poor just a little bit.

I am not aware of any religious denomination that teaches that. Nor have I ever encountered anyone who has said that. (I have, however, seen a lot of people who say that OTHER people believe that.)

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Private charities, while certainly better than nothing, cannot solve the structural causes of poverty.

Nor, clearly, can government.


You should read The Protestant Work Ethic. It explains the concept quite clearly and how this idea has shaped the formation of modern American-style capitalism.
2013-12-04 02:40:36 PM  
1 vote:

Felgraf: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Felgraf: BojanglesPaladin: Serious Black: If your moral philosophy suggests that poor people are that way because God is punishing them for being sinful wretches, then you might hate the poor just a little bit.

I am not aware of any religious denomination that teaches that. Nor have I ever encountered anyone who has said that. (I have, however, seen a lot of people who say that OTHER people believe that.)


You haven't encountered the prosperity gospel?

ARe you living under a rock?

/Hint: It god makes you rich because you are faithful/good, that kind of implies that if you're poor, you're just not being faithful/good enough.

I'm surprised he hasn't encountered it either; it stems logically from Calvin's ideas and is a non-fringe idea in mainstream Protestantism.

It also makes me frothingly *angry*. I'm not really sure I even count as a Christian anymore (I'm... not really sure WHAT I count as. Pratchettist?), but the prosperity gospel is such a perversion of the original work and message it just... really, really makes me angry. I think it in part has to do with the *willful* ignorance that must be part and parcel of it, since the bible rather explicitly states, repeatedly, *THAT IT DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY*.


I'm convinced some sort of Lovecraftian monstrosity from the darkest portion of the cosmos is manipulating the minds of American Christians into worshipping it while they still believe they are worshipping Christ.
2013-12-04 02:35:55 PM  
1 vote:

BojanglesPaladin: Serious Black: If your moral philosophy suggests that poor people are that way because God is punishing them for being sinful wretches, then you might hate the poor just a little bit.

I am not aware of any religious denomination that teaches that. Nor have I ever encountered anyone who has said that. (I have, however, seen a lot of people who say that OTHER people believe that.)


A number of the biggest Christian churches today preach that those who keep their faith in God will be financially rewarded. The flip side of that is that those who do not keep their faith in God will be financially punished.
2013-12-04 02:34:19 PM  
1 vote:
Wow.


Just.......just WOW.
2013-12-04 02:33:55 PM  
1 vote:
I, for one, am fully looking forward to more violence between christians.  Evangelicals vs Catholics this time?  Awesome.  My support goes to the papists.  As much as I hate organized religion (congregationalist growing up), I  really hate the dominionist windbag evengelical throat stuffers.
2013-12-04 02:21:36 PM  
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BojanglesPaladin: technicolor-misfit: Okay, they hate helping the poor in ways in which they can't put personal strings on it.

True. FSM knows there are no strings whatsoever when the government helps the poor.



What are they?

Show your income, prove you're trying to find a job or improve your situation?

What are the strings when the government helps the poor?
2013-12-04 02:20:07 PM  
1 vote:

Rev. Skarekroe: They're actually scared of this guy, aren't they?


In all fairness they'd also be terrified if they really thought Jesus was real and speaking the truth...
2013-12-04 02:19:52 PM  
1 vote:
Communism does not equal Socialism. Socialism does not equal Communism

Sincerely,

Progressive Northern Countries Around the Globe with Awesome Socialized Governments and Higher Living Standards
2013-12-04 02:13:32 PM  
1 vote:
FTA:  "Trickle-down" theories do promote economic growth when encouraged by a free market with less government regulations, and do bring about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world.

ct.fra.bz
2013-12-04 02:10:59 PM  
1 vote:

BojanglesPaladin: Weaver95: The evangelicals are cool with the pro life thing but they really hate the thought of helping the poor.

Through the government. They really hate the thought of government help for the poor.


Why is it that the ONE time evangelicals don't want law taken direct from the Bible is when it comes to charity?

Gays? BAN EM.
Abortions? BAN EM.
Subservience of women? MANDATORY.
Slavish devotion to Israel? MANDATORY.
Belief in god? MANDATORY.
Charity? Ehhhh...
2013-12-04 02:04:04 PM  
1 vote:

A Dark Evil Omen: Of course not. AMERICA AND CAPITALISM = FREEDOM, LIBTARD.


I just don't understand it. Did they not live through the last 40 years? Do they not remember Reagan and Bush systematically taking out democratically elected governments because they wanted to rule their own countries the way they wanted?

I mean come farking on! How farking dense do you have to be to completely eclipse that bit of history..

Mikey1969: According to Lt. Gen. Ion Pacepa, the Soviet communist-led idea of "social justice" was infiltrated successfully by the KGB into Latin America's Catholic Church as a religious movement called "liberation theology." The goal was to "incite Latin America's poor to rebel against the 'institutionalized violence of poverty' generated by the United States." (Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa, "Disinformation," WND Books, 2013)

Look, the reference they cite is one of their OWN books...


COME ON! THEY'RE FARKING STATING THE US WAS BEHIND THIS SHIAT IN THEIR OWN DAMN SOURCES!

AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGHHHH!!! *headdesk*
2013-12-04 02:03:49 PM  
1 vote:

bmongar: It's sad that it is scary when the Pope preaches the philosophy of Jesus.


If you're a Prosperity Gospel heretic, damn right you should be scared.
2013-12-04 01:58:48 PM  
1 vote:
Even the poorest of the poor in the United States live far better than the rest of the world because capitalism works.


Really? The "poorest of the poor live far better than the entire "rest of the world"? So the US has a median income of $51,000, so let's say the poor live off a third of that. NOBODY on the planet makes MORE than $17,000 a year?

Hell that's the farthest I've gotten to this point, came up for air and a pair of hip waders...
2013-12-04 01:54:56 PM  
1 vote:

simplicimus: Serious Black: I love how people are all but calling Francis a heretic and blasphemer.

It's going to be fun when the CINOs in the Congress have to rationalize their way around the new Pope.


Oh that's no problem for the GOP insiders. The echo chamber is totes cool with blatant religious hypocracy. The problem will be with moderates and independent voters who tend to take a dim view of lying scumbags who pretend they're Christian to gain a couple few votes in a tight election race.
2013-12-04 01:53:40 PM  
1 vote:
Many factors spawn violence such as religion, land, drugs, natural resources and power.

That Commie bastard!!!!! And wow, since I've been living not under a rock, but a stack of 200,000,000 progressively larger ones, I didn't know that the Vatican was immensely wealthy, how DARE he reveal that?
2013-12-04 01:49:07 PM  
1 vote:

Serious Black: I love how people are all but calling Francis a heretic and blasphemer.


It's going to be fun when the CINOs in the Congress have to rationalize their way around the new Pope.
2013-12-04 01:47:04 PM  
1 vote:

coyo: Obama's Reptiloid Master: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: If the Pope is a Marxist and Obama is a Marxist, then OBAMA IS THE POPE

Mind. Blown.

Muslims can be pope now? The caliphate is upon us. Bi-lal kaifa!

That's the balaclaliphate to you. Maybe the baklavaphate?


I support a system of government based off of phylo dough and honey.
2013-12-04 01:47:02 PM  
1 vote:
Soo.. they are saying that Jesus was KGB?
2013-12-04 01:46:20 PM  
1 vote:

Rev. Skarekroe: They're actually scared of this guy, aren't they?


Which makes me scared for this guy...
2013-12-04 01:45:06 PM  
1 vote:
go fark yourself WND.

I have a man-crush on Pope Francis

/not even Catholic
2013-12-04 01:44:25 PM  
1 vote:
Pope Francis is a KGB plant?!

God dammit, those guys are hard to come by! NOW how are we going to scrounge up enough good people to fix the US government? If it takes a KGB plant to measure up, we might have to re-institute the Soviet Union to build supply.
2013-12-04 01:41:06 PM  
1 vote:

Weaver95: Serious Black: I love how people are all but calling Francis a heretic and blasphemer.

Well, to the prosperity gospel types Francis is a very real threat to their ideology.


It's not like American evangelicals ever thought Catholics were anything but heretics and blasphemers in the first place. They've just had an uneasy truce because they both had a beef with women and gays. I do like that Francis has put social justice back on the scale, because it reminds Christians - not only Catholics - that Jesus had stuff on his mind other than restricting access to birth control. Ergo he's a Marxist or whatever.
2013-12-04 01:38:49 PM  
1 vote:
World Nut Daily:  one of the few websites that you don't have to click and posting the below is always apropos:

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2013-12-04 01:32:34 PM  
1 vote:

Serious Black: I love how people are all but calling Francis a heretic and blasphemer.


 To quote my favorite The The song, "If the real Jesus Christ were to stand up today, he'd be gunned down cold by the C.I.A."
2013-12-04 01:15:01 PM  
1 vote:
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2013-12-04 01:14:41 PM  
1 vote:

Hagbardr: Obama's Reptiloid Master: I would run New Pope's Marxopapist Inquisition. Just saying.

Nobody expects the Marxopapist Inquisition!


Our three greatest weapons are class consciousness, dialectical materialism, the New Pope, and an almost fanatical devotion to the Frankfurt School!
2013-12-04 01:13:51 PM  
1 vote:
The Republicans just don't want that Catholic vote, do they.
2013-12-04 01:12:50 PM  
1 vote:

Serious Black: I love how people are all but calling Francis a heretic and blasphemer.


Well, Jesus wouldn't have endorsed this "poor people are people too" thing.
2013-12-04 01:11:42 PM  
1 vote:
I love how people are all but calling Francis a heretic and blasphemer.
2013-12-04 01:10:17 PM  
1 vote:
Did everyone else see their might-as-well-be-KKK race-baiting "deal of the day" book on the sidebar?

Holy shiat.  How can you get more racist than "White girl bleed a lot"?

With a subtitle transcribing loosely as "how black people are going to kill a bunch of white people any day now."  But don't you dare call them racist.
 
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