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2013-12-04 02:59:46 PM

skullkrusher: What do you call a socialist who can afford to drink good scotch? A capitalist. Welcome aboard, comrade!


When asked why he always had a fine cigar in his mouth, Big Bill Haywood (prominent socialist and labor activist) replied: "Nothing is too good for the working class."

James P. Cannon (a prominent socialist and trotskist and drunk) once said that if the revolutionary masses first demand was to nationalize the production of liquor and put it under worker control then that is the first thing they would do.
 
2013-12-04 03:02:44 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Tigger: One would be forgiven for questioning the honesty with which you pursued this investigation.
zeroman987: You should read The Protestant Work Ethic.
Tripp Johnston Private Eye: I'm surprised he hasn't encountered it either;

Perhaps some clarification or definition of terms is in order. No Protestant denomination that I am aware of teaches that poverty is a result of sin. Baptist, Lutheran, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, Pentecostal, Church of Christ, etc.

Now, "Prosperity Gospel" is not a denomination, and you generally see this nonsense being spewed by these unaffiliated non-denominational mega churches. I do not consider these to be "evangelical" churches, largely because they don't actually HAVE a theology or a doctrine. These are motivational seminars held once weekly peddling their nonsense by packaging it in scriptural snippets. They are as much a 'religion' as AA is a religion.

Let me be clear: Joel Osteen and the like can DIAF. And I suspect, when they die, will end up in fire either way.

So if you are saying that non-denominational prosperity gospel 'church' members are selfish, uncharitable assholes, I would say that probably not ALL of them are (I'm sure many individual members are very nice, loving, and charitable people), but I would agree that MOST are.


You would think it would just be less painful to accept the truth, but apparently not.
 
2013-12-04 03:03:02 PM

FarkedOver: That's a bunch of horseshiat. From what I've read in transcripts he was complicit of acting in concert with the military junta of Argentina during the Dirty War.


So he worked for Henry Kissinger.  I would think that would be a plus.
 
2013-12-04 03:04:09 PM

technicolor-misfit: A 2006 poll by Time reported that 17 percent of Christians in America said they identified with the movement.


Which means that 83% (the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of Christians) are NOT Prosperity doctrine.

technicolor-misfit: In the late 2000s, proponents claimed that tens of millions of Christians had accepted prosperity theology.


I wonder if you likewise accept it as proven fact when people like Rush Limbaugh claim that most Americans are right-wing conservatives?

I do not.
 
2013-12-04 03:04:24 PM

Marcus Aurelius: FarkedOver: That's a bunch of horseshiat. From what I've read in transcripts he was complicit of acting in concert with the military junta of Argentina during the Dirty War.

So he worked for Henry Kissinger.  I would think that would be a plus.


I believe he informed on the activities of priests in his charge that were working with the poor, because that was "radical" and "commie shiat".
 
2013-12-04 03:04:29 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Tigger: One would be forgiven for questioning the honesty with which you pursued this investigation.
zeroman987: You should read The Protestant Work Ethic.
Tripp Johnston Private Eye: I'm surprised he hasn't encountered it either;

Perhaps some clarification or definition of terms is in order. No Protestant denomination that I am aware of teaches that poverty is a result of sin. Baptist, Lutheran, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, Pentecostal, Church of Christ, etc.

Now, "Prosperity Gospel" is not a denomination, and you generally see this nonsense being spewed by these unaffiliated non-denominational mega churches. I do not consider these to be "evangelical" churches, largely because they don't actually HAVE a theology or a doctrine. These are motivational seminars held once weekly peddling their nonsense by packaging it in scriptural snippets. They are as much a 'religion' as AA is a religion.

Let me be clear: Joel Osteen and the like can DIAF. And I suspect, when they die, will end up in fire either way.

So if you are saying that non-denominational prosperity gospel 'church' members are selfish, uncharitable assholes, I would say that probably not ALL of them are (I'm sure many individual members are very nice, loving, and charitable people), but I would agree that MOST are.


It's meaningless what you think when these groups are the most vocal and media savy parts of Christian society. If the rest of Christianity is so fed up, they need to get their message out there, which they aren't.
 
2013-12-04 03:04:36 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Tigger: One would be forgiven for questioning the honesty with which you pursued this investigation.
zeroman987: You should read The Protestant Work Ethic.
Tripp Johnston Private Eye: I'm surprised he hasn't encountered it either;

Perhaps some clarification or definition of terms is in order. No Protestant denomination that I am aware of teaches that poverty is a result of sin. Baptist, Lutheran, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, Pentecostal, Church of Christ, etc.

Now, "Prosperity Gospel" is not a denomination, and you generally see this nonsense being spewed by these unaffiliated non-denominational mega churches. I do not consider these to be "evangelical" churches, largely because they don't actually HAVE a theology or a doctrine. These are motivational seminars held once weekly peddling their nonsense by packaging it in scriptural snippets. They are as much a 'religion' as AA is a religion.

Let me be clear: Joel Osteen and the like can DIAF. And I suspect, when they die, will end up in fire either way.

So if you are saying that non-denominational prosperity gospel 'church' members are selfish, uncharitable assholes, I would say that probably not ALL of them are (I'm sure many individual members are very nice, loving, and charitable people), but I would agree that MOST are.


The prosperity gospel is more like the bastard child of Capitalism and Christianity.
 
2013-12-04 03:05:39 PM

machodonkeywrestler: Private charities might be contributing, but they are FAILING. That is why the government needs to step in


You might not have noticed, but government HAS stepped in. Would you say they are succeeding?
 
2013-12-04 03:07:25 PM

BojanglesPaladin: machodonkeywrestler: Private charities might be contributing, but they are FAILING. That is why the government needs to step in

You might not have noticed, but government HAS stepped in. Would you say they are succeeding?


Compared to private charity, actually, yes, public anti-poverty efforts have been enormously successful up until the radical right began dismantling them.
 
2013-12-04 03:07:48 PM

Obama's Reptiloid Master: meat0918: More evidence in the "American's do not worship the God of the New Testament" column.

Just leave the jackboots at home when you come for the non-believers please.  They are so unflattering to the full waisted figures that are the epitome of American Christianity.

Today on my way to work I saw a message scrawled on the back of a pickup, written in shoe polish, excoriating the president for being a dictator and king and concluding with a Bible verse. I couldn't believe I was seeing paranoid schizophrenia in real time so I pulled alongside this patriot, only to discover the fattest man I have ever seen crammed into a Ford Ranger, wearing a USMC cap and camo balaclava.


Did his butthurt nourish you?  I know I would drink of the delicious tears.
 
2013-12-04 03:07:56 PM

BojanglesPaladin: machodonkeywrestler: Private charities might be contributing, but they are FAILING. That is why the government needs to step in

You might not have noticed, but government HAS stepped in. Would you say they are succeeding?


We will never completely eliminate poverty.

Therefore we should cut all social welfare programs.

What's the point of your question?
 
2013-12-04 03:09:12 PM
Big trouble in little Freepertown. The Rush / Pope Francis schism is causing some serious rifts:

"Rush and Sarah should mind their own business when it comes to our Pope.Let he without sin cast the first stone.Rush used drugs and Sarah's family is no longer threatened.Us Catholics will clean up the rest."

"We're in big effing trouble when we equate some radio entertainer's blabber to the Pope's Apostolic Exhortation."

"If the Pope told you to drink flavor aid mixed with cyanida, i am willing to bet the ultramontanists would follow. What slavish automatons they are..."

"Okay, now I'm PO'd at the pope again. His derisive reference to "trickle-down theories" is like something you'd see at Daily Kos. This can't be chalked up to a translational error."

"I have thought this would happen--he's flaky, incoherent, and South American "Liberation Theology" Jesuit. We are in trouble. "
 
2013-12-04 03:10:03 PM

BojanglesPaladin: machodonkeywrestler: Private charities might be contributing, but they are FAILING. That is why the government needs to step in

You might not have noticed, but government HAS stepped in. Would you say they are succeeding?


"In 1935, more than 50% of the elderly population lived in poverty. Today that poverty rate stands officially at 9.4%."

Unless there is some other cause that you can think of outside of the creation of Social Security and Medicare, I'd say yes, they can succeed.
 
2013-12-04 03:12:12 PM

machodonkeywrestler: It's meaningless what you think when these groups are the most vocal and media savy parts of Christian society. If the rest of Christianity is so fed up, they need to get their message out there, which they aren't.


I'm not sure where to go with your weird view of the obligations of one group of Christians to squelch another group who thinks differently, or how you think that would be a good idea, and I have no idea how you think Joel Osteen trumps the Vatican for instance, but I don't see any point fighting about it.

But out of curiosity, what do you think the new Pope is DOING?
 
2013-12-04 03:12:34 PM
EVERYTHING I DONT LIKE IS MARXIST
 
2013-12-04 03:13:00 PM
img1.fark.net   = [Seemslegit.jpg]
 
2013-12-04 03:13:48 PM

YoungSwedishBlonde: EVERYTHING I DONT LIKE IS MARXIST


I don't know the first thing about Marxism.... BUT I FARKING HATE IT.  That's usually how americans are.
 
2013-12-04 03:13:52 PM

Almost Everybody Poops: We will never completely eliminate poverty.Therefore we should cut all social welfare programs.


I think that is a TERRIBLE idea. I'm going to assume you are kidding.
 
2013-12-04 03:14:44 PM

YoungSwedishBlonde: EVERYTHING I DONT LIKE IS MARXIST


That does seem to be the standard issue republican reply don't it?
 
2013-12-04 03:15:04 PM

FarkedOver: don't know the first thing about Marxism.... BUT I FARKING HATE IT. That's usually how americans are.


You should be careful about assuming that people who oppose Marxism only do so because they don't "understand" it.

Many of us oppose it because we do.

/heya :)
 
2013-12-04 03:15:11 PM
If this pope were genuinely concerned with the plight of the wealthy he would dump all the church's assets, property and gold and use the proceeds to enrich the flock.  This will never happen.  The pope is concerned with keeping parishioners numbers up!
 
2013-12-04 03:15:55 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Almost Everybody Poops: We will never completely eliminate poverty.Therefore we should cut all social welfare programs.

I think that is a TERRIBLE idea. I'm going to assume you are kidding.


Honestly, it's like you haven't read the news in a decade....
 
2013-12-04 03:16:19 PM

Graffito: Obama's Reptiloid Master: meat0918: More evidence in the "American's do not worship the God of the New Testament" column.

Just leave the jackboots at home when you come for the non-believers please.  They are so unflattering to the full waisted figures that are the epitome of American Christianity.

Today on my way to work I saw a message scrawled on the back of a pickup, written in shoe polish, excoriating the president for being a dictator and king and concluding with a Bible verse. I couldn't believe I was seeing paranoid schizophrenia in real time so I pulled alongside this patriot, only to discover the fattest man I have ever seen crammed into a Ford Ranger, wearing a USMC cap and camo balaclava.

Did his butthurt nourish you?  I know I would drink of the delicious tears.


That sounds gross
 
2013-12-04 03:16:46 PM
HOLY FARK! It took today's "conservatism" in this exceptional and mostly "Christian" nation to go and finally malign the biggest living figure of Christianity on Earth,

Please! Someone put Francis in the LOPCATGOPATA if he is not there already.
 
2013-12-04 03:16:59 PM

BojanglesPaladin: FarkedOver: don't know the first thing about Marxism.... BUT I FARKING HATE IT. That's usually how americans are.

You should be careful about assuming that people who oppose Marxism only do so because they don't "understand" it.

Many of us oppose it because we do.

/heya :)


I love debating you, but from what we've discussed I think your grasp of Marxism is very limited.  I'm not saying that to belittle you or say you're an idiot because a lot of people are in this boat.  Hell, I am still learning.
 
2013-12-04 03:17:05 PM

Serious Black: BojanglesPaladin: machodonkeywrestler: Private charities might be contributing, but they are FAILING. That is why the government needs to step in

You might not have noticed, but government HAS stepped in. Would you say they are succeeding?

"In 1935, more than 50% of the elderly population lived in poverty. Today that poverty rate stands officially at 9.4%."

Unless there is some other cause that you can think of outside of the creation of Social Security and Medicare, I'd say yes, they can succeed.


When they can't chew the leather, they should be put out on an ice flo.
 
2013-12-04 03:17:51 PM

Weaver95: Serious Black: I love how people are all but calling Francis a heretic and blasphemer.

Well, to the prosperity gospel types Francis is a very real threat to their ideology.


Well, save that they're not dirty Papists. 'Course, it might jeopardize some of their favorite talking points about the War on Christianity, so it should be fun as they scramble to keep the Idiot Brigade in check before they lose the Cstholic vote...
 
2013-12-04 03:17:55 PM

machodonkeywrestler: It's meaningless what you think when these groups are the most vocal and media savy parts of Christian society. If the rest of Christianity is so fed up, they need to get their message out there, which they aren't.


I am going to argue a counter-argument here: It is hard for left wing/tolerant churches to get their message out their when their message literally gets banned from the air waves.

No, I am not making this up.

This http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRcv9u9x3z8  is a UCC advertisement from around 2006. It, (And I believed two others like it), were banned from sevreal networks (including NBC) for being "Too Controversial." (Anti-abortion commercials during the superbowl? A-OK!).

I don't know if they've tried again recently. They may have felt the money was better spent helping people, after three advertisements were literally banned by the networks.
 
2013-12-04 03:18:05 PM

FarkedOver: If this pope were genuinely concerned with the plight of the wealthy he would dump all the church's assets, property and gold and use the proceeds to enrich the flock.  This will never happen.  The pope is concerned with keeping parishioners numbers up!


Or, ya know, the pope could use the wealth of his church to better the lives of the poor and leverage secular organizations into doing good despite their desires to be selfish pricks....
 
2013-12-04 03:18:56 PM
Today's GOP is so full of the worst kind of people that even something so obvious as the pope calling for his followers to be generous and forgiving is seen as an attack on them.


think about that....

/sociopaths, liars, the mentally ill, and the ultra-rich
//looking forward to hearing all about it during your primaries. Speak up patriots, make sure everyone can hear you.
 
2013-12-04 03:20:05 PM

unexplained bacon: Today's GOP is so full of the worst kind of people that even something so obvious as the pope calling for his followers to be generous and forgiving is seen as an attack on them.


think about that....

/sociopaths, liars, the mentally ill, and the ultra-rich
//looking forward to hearing all about it during your primaries. Speak up patriots, make sure everyone can hear you.


It's amazing to watch, isn't it? One letter and the republicans had a full on melt down.
 
2013-12-04 03:21:01 PM
I reiterate the point that you judge a man by the enemies he earns: this Pope is doing alright in my book.

Of course, this is coming from a Buddhist who attends Unitarian services, so take that for what you will...
 
2013-12-04 03:21:34 PM

Weaver95: FarkedOver: If this pope were genuinely concerned with the plight of the wealthy poor he would dump all the church's assets, property and gold and use the proceeds to enrich the flock.  This will never happen.  The pope is concerned with keeping parishioners numbers up!

Or, ya know, the pope could use the wealth of his church to better the lives of the poor and leverage secular organizations into doing good despite their desires to be selfish pricks....


ugh thats what i meant.  I got rocked off my ass last night, cut me some slack.
 
2013-12-04 03:22:18 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Almost Everybody Poops: We will never completely eliminate poverty.Therefore we should cut all social welfare programs.

I think that is a TERRIBLE idea. I'm going to assume you are kidding.


Then what's the point of your question?
 
2013-12-04 03:22:29 PM

unexplained bacon: Today's GOP is so full of the worst kind of people that even something so obvious as the pope calling for his followers to be generous and forgiving is seen as an attack on them.


think about that....

/sociopaths, liars, the mentally ill, and the ultra-rich
//looking forward to hearing all about it during your primaries. Speak up patriots, make sure everyone can hear you.


Don't forget their largest constituency: Frightened dupes. The end of the Cold War and the gradual destigmatization of the left after the political left was driven completely into the ground for most of the 20th century is terrifying to a lot of these people who have had capitalist propaganda injected directly into their eyeballs for most of their lives.
 
2013-12-04 03:23:32 PM

wildcardjack: Biff_Steel: The KGB? Really?

I know, field work was the job of the GRU.


"The physical appearance of the Marxism makes no difference. Now accept these cuts to social programs."
images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-12-04 03:26:38 PM
It is amazing to me how conservatives truly believe everything is either conservative or liberal. The Pope can't just be trying to do what Jesus wants.

Conservatives, why don't you just stop pretending you worship Jesus and make your own version of the Bible already?

Oh shiat!  You have already gone and done it.
 
2013-12-04 03:28:01 PM

BojanglesPaladin: technicolor-misfit: A 2006 poll by Time reported that 17 percent of Christians in America said they identified with the movement.

Which means that 83% (the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of Christians) are NOT Prosperity doctrine.

technicolor-misfit: In the late 2000s, proponents claimed that tens of millions of Christians had accepted prosperity theology.

I wonder if you likewise accept it as proven fact when people like Rush Limbaugh claim that most Americans are right-wing conservatives?

I do not.



You keep taking the criticisms that are clearly directed at "Conservative Christianity" and acting as if people are saying ALL Christians are like that.

They're just the most vocal and the most obnoxious. I know damn well there are a great many very good Christians in this country.

When someone criticizes Christians for doing X, then clearly Christians who don't do X should not take it personally.

I'm not going to delineate precisely which Christians I mean every goddamn time I make a point about the assholes... particularly when the "good ones" quite frankly aren't doing enough to make the distinction themselves.

How about instead of getting butthurt and shouting "not all Christians believe that!!!" when someone criticizes something like prosperity doctrine, maybe the good Christians should shout "bullshiat" when other Christians advocate crap like prosperity doctrine.

The conservatives are the ones who make the noise. They took the mic for Christianity in America and said "THIS is what Christianity is." And, until Pope Francis came along, there hasn't really been anyone in Christianity standing up to say "the hell it is!"

So, while there are a lot of good Christians who don't believe that bullshiat, maybe they ought to take issue with the ones who are preaching it and creating the perception, rather than other people who take note and criticize it.
 
2013-12-04 03:28:19 PM

zetar: Big trouble in little Freepertown. The Rush / Pope Francis schism is causing some serious rifts:

"Rush and Sarah should mind their own business when it comes to our Pope.Let he without sin cast the first stone.Rush used drugs and Sarah's family is no longer threatened.Us Catholics will clean up the rest."

"We're in big effing trouble when we equate some radio entertainer's blabber to the Pope's Apostolic Exhortation."

"If the Pope told you to drink flavor aid mixed with cyanida, i am willing to bet the ultramontanists would follow. What slavish automatons they are..."

"Okay, now I'm PO'd at the pope again. His derisive reference to "trickle-down theories" is like something you'd see at Daily Kos. This can't be chalked up to a translational error."

"I have thought this would happen--he's flaky, incoherent, and South American "Liberation Theology" Jesuit. We are in trouble. "


If those words were food, they'd be the most delicious meal ever.
 
2013-12-04 03:28:26 PM

unexplained bacon: Today's GOP is so full of the worst kind of people that even something so obvious as the pope calling for his followers to be generous and forgiving is seen as an attack on them.


think about that....

/sociopaths, liars, the mentally ill, and the ultra-rich
//looking forward to hearing all about it during your primaries. Speak up patriots, make sure everyone can hear you.


The party at this point has given over to corporatists who pay some lip service to the Religious Right, and the last vestigages of the Cold Warriors who still think of Russia as our immediate enemies. They NEED Boogeymen to point to. Because otherwise folks might start looking too close to home, and we can't have that, can we?
 
2013-12-04 03:29:06 PM

Serious Black: "In 1935, more than 50% of the elderly population lived in poverty. Today that poverty rate stands officially at 9.4%."


That is an interesting statistic, but it may not "prove" exactly what you think it proves. I am not arguing that Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid are not good and worthwhile programs, but there is a causation/correlation issue that would have to accounted for, and a problem of metrics drift. The workforce has changed significantly in that time, for instance, so the number of women with no income is radically different then than it is today.

As your own link makes clear: "~~The U.S. Census Bureau did not begin tracking the poverty rate until 1959. On top of that, data for individuals aged 65 and older are not available for the years 1960 through 1965."

As a simple illustration, an elderly mother of the local bank owner in 1935 would register as having no income and therefore 'living in poverty', but her wealthy son bought her a home, and a maid and someone to cook her very nice meals every day. While an elderly woman today with Social security income and a modest pension left from her dead husband could be above the federal poverty line.

More important, and why your stat isn;t quite the proof I think you hope it would be is that that super high poverty rate includes people who relied on CHARITY for survival. "Dependent poverty among the old grew inexorably, from 23 percent in 1910 to 40 percent in 1930, and 50 percent in 1935." So there is a bit of a double count. Half of those 'in poverty' were being taken care of by private charity.

Again, not disputing at all that improvements have not been made, and no question that poverty is way down from the peak in the 30s. But as your own cite correctly points out "We found no official statistics for the rate of elderly poverty for the year 1935, only academic projections, and making apples-to-apples comparisons between eras is difficult."
 
2013-12-04 03:29:08 PM

Weaver95: unexplained bacon: Today's GOP is so full of the worst kind of people that even something so obvious as the pope calling for his followers to be generous and forgiving is seen as an attack on them.


think about that....

/sociopaths, liars, the mentally ill, and the ultra-rich
//looking forward to hearing all about it during your primaries. Speak up patriots, make sure everyone can hear you.

It's amazing to watch, isn't it? One letter and the republicans had a full on melt down.



It's like a bad dream. We could be doing so much better.
The propaganda from the GOP has completely rotted the minds of more than a few friends and family. It's like a bad 50s sci-fi movie.

Anecdote: The people I personally know who are proud to be GOP are the worst people I personally know. Judging by the direction of the party, this must be true all over the country.
 
2013-12-04 03:31:48 PM
Huh? I thought that right-wingers love Putin now because he hates teh gheys. And Putin used to run the KGB.

/won't click on WND
 
2013-12-04 03:32:56 PM

technicolor-misfit: I'm not going to delineate precisely which Christians I mean every goddamn time I make a point about the assholes... particularly when the "good ones" quite frankly aren't doing enough to make the distinction themselves.


Counter argument: There is A) Only so much they can do when the networks litterally ban their attempts to spread the message (asI pointed out earlier), and B) If they're good christians... they're not supposed to be *shouting* "I'M A CHRISTIAN!" when they're helping other people, or just, indeed, trying to live good lives. (The bible kind of explicitly frowns upon open displays of LOOK HOW PIOUS AND A GOOD CHRISTIAN I AM. .. .Yeah, the assholes kind of ignore that one, too.)
 
2013-12-04 03:33:20 PM

zetar: Big trouble in little Freepertown. The Rush / Pope Francis schism is causing some serious rifts:

"Rush and Sarah should mind their own business when it comes to our Pope.Let he without sin cast the first stone.Rush used drugs and Sarah's family is no longer threatened.Us Catholics will clean up the rest."

"We're in big effing trouble when we equate some radio entertainer's blabber to the Pope's Apostolic Exhortation."

"If the Pope told you to drink flavor aid mixed with cyanida, i am willing to bet the ultramontanists would follow. What slavish automatons they are..."

"Okay, now I'm PO'd at the pope again. His derisive reference to "trickle-down theories" is like something you'd see at Daily Kos. This can't be chalked up to a translational error."

"I have thought this would happen--he's flaky, incoherent, and South American "Liberation Theology" Jesuit. We are in trouble. "


Once you start questioning the Religion of Supply Side Economics you're branded as a heretic.
 
2013-12-04 03:33:22 PM

bmongar: It's sad that it is scary when the Pope preaches the philosophy of Jesus.


It's expected. America is an anti-Catholic country and always has been. When the big issue is something like Abortion, Catholics are made to feel welcome. When it comes down to issues of greed, pride, and selfishness, Catholics find themselves on the outside or forced to violate Catholic teachings. I was raised Catholic. I'm used to this crap. The problem was that, in the 1980s, the Catholics were a major group against abortion. What is not known is that traditional Catholic "right to life" is also anti-war, anti-capital punishment, pro-feed-the-poor, free clinics are wonderful, etc. Traditional, old-fashioned, ultra-conservative Catholic right-to-life is not just anti-abortion. However, the anti-abortion schtick played well, so Catholics were courted on that issue, while "social justice" was brushed under the rug. Conservatives thought that, since Catholics were all gung-ho against abortion, they'd be gung-ho Ameriprotestants the whole way. Conservatives are morons.

Now, the thing is that liberals are morons, too. Since the current Pope is bringing some old Catholic tropes back to the fore, they think he's "one of them". They're going to be in for a big disappointment. Fully traditional Catholic morals don't fit well into Ameriprotestant liberal/conservative pigeonholes.
 
2013-12-04 03:33:44 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: unexplained bacon: Today's GOP is so full of the worst kind of people that even something so obvious as the pope calling for his followers to be generous and forgiving is seen as an attack on them.


think about that....

/sociopaths, liars, the mentally ill, and the ultra-rich
//looking forward to hearing all about it during your primaries. Speak up patriots, make sure everyone can hear you.

Don't forget their largest constituency: Frightened dupes. The end of the Cold War and the gradual destigmatization of the left after the political left was driven completely into the ground for most of the 20th century is terrifying to a lot of these people who have had capitalist propaganda injected directly into their eyeballs for most of their lives.


no doubt, I know a couple of those...still even though many are acting out of fear, the shiat that comes out of their mouths is often indistinguishable from the shiat the sociopaths say.

Formerly decent people who for some reason have suddenly decided that the poor deserve to die from perfectly curable illnesses, because....I don't know, they deserve it I guess. It's fookin depressing.
 
2013-12-04 03:34:07 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Headso: yeah, how terrible

Not advocating. Just stating that they have a different worldview. And it's as valid as your or mine, whether we agree with it or not.


Oh, you mean like NAMBLA, or the American Nazi Party.
People with different, but valid, worldviews.
As valid as yours or mine. Whether we agree or not.
After all, how could I possibly summon the arrogance to think my worldview is more valid than a Nazi's, or a NAMBLA member's, or a member of some ignorant sect of bronze age primitives who want to stone gays and make abortion a crime again?
How DARE I?
 
2013-12-04 03:34:15 PM

FarkedOver: I think your grasp of Marxism is very limited.


I know you do. But I also know you often struggle with addressing some fundamental questions about Marxism in practice, which suggests you are still at the data collection stage, and haven't reached the syncretism stage of knowledge yet. When you do, I suspect that you will, like so many of ahead of you have, realize why it's a broken ideology.

Or not. I'm happy to kick that ball around most days :)
 
2013-12-04 03:36:56 PM

hubiestubert: unexplained bacon: Today's GOP is so full of the worst kind of people that even something so obvious as the pope calling for his followers to be generous and forgiving is seen as an attack on them.


think about that....

/sociopaths, liars, the mentally ill, and the ultra-rich
//looking forward to hearing all about it during your primaries. Speak up patriots, make sure everyone can hear you.

The party at this point has given over to corporatists who pay some lip service to the Religious Right, and the last vestigages of the Cold Warriors who still think of Russia as our immediate enemies. They NEED Boogeymen to point to. Because otherwise folks might start looking too close to home, and we can't have that, can we?


Most of the asshat GOPers I know wouldn't fall under corporatists or cold warriors really...but they sure do get led around by the kind of BS both those groups push. They're selfish angry children.
 
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