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(WorldNetDaily)   Americans are right to be wary of Pope Francis. His religious philosophy is a result of KGB influence in Latin America   (wnd.com) divider line 378
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2013-12-04 01:47:02 PM  
Soo.. they are saying that Jesus was KGB?
 
2013-12-04 01:47:04 PM  

coyo: Obama's Reptiloid Master: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: If the Pope is a Marxist and Obama is a Marxist, then OBAMA IS THE POPE

Mind. Blown.

Muslims can be pope now? The caliphate is upon us. Bi-lal kaifa!

That's the balaclaliphate to you. Maybe the baklavaphate?


I support a system of government based off of phylo dough and honey.
 
2013-12-04 01:48:42 PM  
I really should have bought popcorn stock the moment he was announced as pope.
 
2013-12-04 01:49:07 PM  

Serious Black: I love how people are all but calling Francis a heretic and blasphemer.


It's going to be fun when the CINOs in the Congress have to rationalize their way around the new Pope.
 
2013-12-04 01:49:11 PM  

jake_lex: The Republicans just don't want that Catholic vote, do they.


They really, really do actually. That's why they are backing the Catholic universities fighting against contraception coverage in the ACA. Catholics are pretty closely split between Republicans and Democrats so it's a not-impossible population for them to capture.

The problem is that straight Catholic doctrine is not ideologically pure enough for Republicans. The official doctrine opposes abortion and gay marriage, which they like, but it also supports unions, opposes the death penalty, advocates for the poor, and discourages warmongering.

Like most religious people Catholics usually pick and choose what parts of their faith they follow and what they pay attention to. Republicans would like Catholics to pay attention to the parts they like but the Pope is drawing focus to the parts they don't like. It will be interesting to see how they deal with it because there doesn't seem to be a good way to blow off the Pope without hurting the support they currently have with Catholics.
 
2013-12-04 01:49:30 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Weaver95: Serious Black: I love how people are all but calling Francis a heretic and blasphemer.

Well, to the prosperity gospel types Francis is a very real threat to their ideology.

It's not like American evangelicals ever thought Catholics were anything but heretics and blasphemers in the first place. They've just had an uneasy truce because they both had a beef with women and gays. I do like that Francis has put social justice back on the scale, because it reminds Christians - not only Catholics - that Jesus had stuff on his mind other than restricting access to birth control. Ergo he's a Marxist or whatever.


Looks like francis is also dialing back on the whole gay thing as well. He seems to want to focus on pro life and social justice causes. The evangelicals are cool with the pro life thing but they really hate the thought of helping the poor. And I agree with you that francis is really rocking the boat by reminding Christians that Christ wasn't a fan of trickle down economics.
 
2013-12-04 01:50:32 PM  

simplicimus: Serious Black: I love how people are all but calling Francis a heretic and blasphemer.

It's going to be fun when the CINOs in the Congress have to rationalize their way around the new Pope.



Is the C in this case for Christian or Catholic?
 
2013-12-04 01:50:45 PM  
As an actual heretic, I have a modicum of respect for the current Pope. He seems like a guy who's honestly going on what the Bible says about living a good life through a somewhat modern lens. Helps that he's actually walking the walk with his plain stuff, old car, and the fact he doesn't look or act like a Dark Lord of the Sith.
 
2013-12-04 01:52:13 PM  

SilentStrider: simplicimus: Serious Black: I love how people are all but calling Francis a heretic and blasphemer.

It's going to be fun when the CINOs in the Congress have to rationalize their way around the new Pope.


Is the C in this case for Christian or Catholic?


Catholic.
 
2013-12-04 01:52:15 PM  

odinsposse: jake_lex: The Republicans just don't want that Catholic vote, do they.

They really, really do actually. That's why they are backing the Catholic universities fighting against contraception coverage in the ACA. Catholics are pretty closely split between Republicans and Democrats so it's a not-impossible population for them to capture.

The problem is that straight Catholic doctrine is not ideologically pure enough for Republicans. The official doctrine opposes abortion and gay marriage, which they like, but it also supports unions, opposes the death penalty, advocates for the poor, and discourages warmongering.

Like most religious people Catholics usually pick and choose what parts of their faith they follow and what they pay attention to. Republicans would like Catholics to pay attention to the parts they like but the Pope is drawing focus to the parts they don't like. It will be interesting to see how they deal with it because there doesn't seem to be a good way to blow off the Pope without hurting the support they currently have with Catholics.


Not to mention the fact that GOP ideology doesn't allow for even minor dissent from the party line. So if a catholic takes Francis seriously and starts voting against trickle down economic polices the republicans have to purge them from the party. There is no grey area, no dissent is permitted. All or nothing, no exceptions.
 
2013-12-04 01:53:40 PM  
Many factors spawn violence such as religion, land, drugs, natural resources and power.

That Commie bastard!!!!! And wow, since I've been living not under a rock, but a stack of 200,000,000 progressively larger ones, I didn't know that the Vatican was immensely wealthy, how DARE he reveal that?
 
2013-12-04 01:53:43 PM  

Weaver95:
Not to mention the fact that GOP ideology doesn't allow for even minor dissent from the party line. So if a catholic takes Francis seriously and starts voting against trickle down economic polices the republicans have to purge them from the party. There is no grey area, no dissent is permitted. All or nothing, no exceptions.


Like I said, I should have bought stock in popcorn.
 
2013-12-04 01:54:43 PM  

simplicimus: Serious Black: I love how people are all but calling Francis a heretic and blasphemer.

It's going to be fun when the CINOs in the Congress have to rationalize their way around the new Pope.


I just spent a few minutes trying to find reactions from Paul Ryan and some other Republican Catholics to Francis, but all I'm finding are crickets.
 
2013-12-04 01:54:56 PM  

simplicimus: Serious Black: I love how people are all but calling Francis a heretic and blasphemer.

It's going to be fun when the CINOs in the Congress have to rationalize their way around the new Pope.


Oh that's no problem for the GOP insiders. The echo chamber is totes cool with blatant religious hypocracy. The problem will be with moderates and independent voters who tend to take a dim view of lying scumbags who pretend they're Christian to gain a couple few votes in a tight election race.
 
2013-12-04 01:56:01 PM  
Hasn't it been pretty much proven that the only real influence in the central/south America during the post Cuban Missile Crisis era was the USA going down there because commies?

Do these farktards not realize that the biggest enemy to democracy in the modern world has more often than not been the US and not the Communist USSR?

I give up, fark these guys. You don't want to listen to history, whether it pertains to what you hold so dear or to your own goddamn faith, fark it. I don't care. You WND asshats are off the deep end. Hit the restart button on your brain, you're suffering a Blue Brain of Derp error message.

...farking retards....

jake_lex: The Republicans just don't want that Catholic vote, do they.


It's not like Catholics make up a majority of the vote in a region that the GOP hasn't won consistently on a national level since the 1920s...what? really? You don't say? Well fark, okay guys. Have fun with your circle jerk. Jesus and the rest of us will be over here, just chillin'

/hey Buddha, can you get the KFC?
 
2013-12-04 01:56:28 PM  
I'm not giving WND my click, but does this basically boil down to 'concerns' that the new Pontiff is an adherent of the Catholic 'Social Justice' movement, which has long been affiliated (sometimes wrongly, sometimes rightly) with communist and socialist thinking?
 
2013-12-04 01:57:03 PM  
I'm really glad the new pope came along,

For a long time, people have been saying  "if Jesus DID come back, Conservative Christians would be the first ones in line to crucify him again."

The pope has been the best evidence thus far that i's 100% true. He's not Jesus, but he's the first major leader in a very long time to -REALLY- preach Jesus' message, and they are ready to set his ass on fire and dump the ashes into the middle of the farking ocean.

He basically stood up and said "once and for all, who's your savior? Jesus Christ or Rush Limbaugh?" and they have made their choice very farking clear.
 
2013-12-04 01:57:08 PM  

jake_lex: The Republicans just don't want that Catholic vote, do they.


Acceptable losses in the battle for ideological purity.
 
2013-12-04 01:57:28 PM  
Serious question, what does Bill Donohue of the catholic League have to say about these attacks on the Pope?  He's usually right out front everytime anyone publically says anything even the slightest bit derogatory about Catholicism, but he's also a hard core right wing shiathead, so I imagine he's laying pretty low right now.
 
2013-12-04 01:57:39 PM  

www.wearysloth.com


R.I.P. FRANCIS

 
2013-12-04 01:57:49 PM  

somedude210: Do these farktards not realize that the biggest enemy to democracy in the modern world has more often than not been the US and not the Communist USSR?


Of course not. AMERICA AND CAPITALISM = FREEDOM, LIBTARD.
 
2013-12-04 01:58:48 PM  
Even the poorest of the poor in the United States live far better than the rest of the world because capitalism works.


Really? The "poorest of the poor live far better than the entire "rest of the world"? So the US has a median income of $51,000, so let's say the poor live off a third of that. NOBODY on the planet makes MORE than $17,000 a year?

Hell that's the farthest I've gotten to this point, came up for air and a pair of hip waders...
 
2013-12-04 02:00:12 PM  
According to Lt. Gen. Ion Pacepa, the Soviet communist-led idea of "social justice" was infiltrated successfully by the KGB into Latin America's Catholic Church as a religious movement called "liberation theology." The goal was to "incite Latin America's poor to rebel against the 'institutionalized violence of poverty' generated by the United States." (Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa, "Disinformation," WND Books, 2013)

Look, the reference they cite is one of their OWN books...
 
2013-12-04 02:00:26 PM  

Mikey1969: Even the poorest of the poor in the United States live far better than the rest of the world because capitalism works.


Really? The "poorest of the poor live far better than the entire "rest of the world"? So the US has a median income of $51,000, so let's say the poor live off a third of that. NOBODY on the planet makes MORE than $17,000 a year?

Hell that's the farthest I've gotten to this point, came up for air and a pair of hip waders...


I think he means poor Americans are better off than poor people anywhere else. Which is patently absurd and also ignores the fact that that poverty is purely manufactured, unnecessary and only exists at all to enrich the already insanely wealthy.
 
2013-12-04 02:03:49 PM  

bmongar: It's sad that it is scary when the Pope preaches the philosophy of Jesus.


If you're a Prosperity Gospel heretic, damn right you should be scared.
 
2013-12-04 02:04:04 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Of course not. AMERICA AND CAPITALISM = FREEDOM, LIBTARD.


I just don't understand it. Did they not live through the last 40 years? Do they not remember Reagan and Bush systematically taking out democratically elected governments because they wanted to rule their own countries the way they wanted?

I mean come farking on! How farking dense do you have to be to completely eclipse that bit of history..

Mikey1969: According to Lt. Gen. Ion Pacepa, the Soviet communist-led idea of "social justice" was infiltrated successfully by the KGB into Latin America's Catholic Church as a religious movement called "liberation theology." The goal was to "incite Latin America's poor to rebel against the 'institutionalized violence of poverty' generated by the United States." (Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa, "Disinformation," WND Books, 2013)

Look, the reference they cite is one of their OWN books...


COME ON! THEY'RE FARKING STATING THE US WAS BEHIND THIS SHIAT IN THEIR OWN DAMN SOURCES!

AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGHHHH!!! *headdesk*
 
2013-12-04 02:04:15 PM  

Weaver95: The evangelicals are cool with the pro life thing but they really hate the thought of helping the poor.


Through the government. They really hate the thought of government help for the poor.

I can't personally stand most of the evengelicals, but they do quite a bit of charity work. (Not as much as the catholic church, mind you, but then, who does?)

I understand that you may not like them, but it's disingenuous to say they hate helping the poor.
 
2013-12-04 02:05:03 PM  

Arkanaut: jake_lex: The Republicans just don't want that Catholic vote, do they.

Acceptable losses in the battle for ideological purity.


Besides, most of all those brown people who they'd love to kick out of the country except for that would lose
all their gardeners, cooks and nannies are Caholic.
 
2013-12-04 02:06:43 PM  
This author is a one trick pony. I got to the part where she stated that trickle down economics brings about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world before I felt a little short of breath and realized she was actively trying to kill my brain cells.
 
2013-12-04 02:06:55 PM  

Mikey1969: Even the poorest of the poor in the United States live far better than the rest of the world because capitalism works.


Really? The "poorest of the poor live far better than the entire "rest of the world"? So the US has a median income of $51,000, so let's say the poor live off a third of that. NOBODY on the planet makes MORE than $17,000 a year?

Hell that's the farthest I've gotten to this point, came up for air and a pair of hip waders...


It's a telephonic mis-recounting of a popular saw in Republican circles - that the poor in America are better off than the poor in any other nation.

Which is still incorrect, but at least closer to the truth. The poor in America have it better than the poor in just about any other country, but we have more of them than the developed ones, and do less. Also, THEY'RE STILL FARKING POOR.
 
2013-12-04 02:07:08 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: They really hate the thought of government help for the poor.


yeah, how terrible
 
2013-12-04 02:07:12 PM  
I have been wondering when the GOP and their friends of the John Birch Society would get around to the Catholics again. The gay and women targets have been getting pretty stale.
 
2013-12-04 02:08:13 PM  

Great_Milenko: Serious question, what does Bill Donohue of the catholic League have to say about these attacks on the Pope?  He's usually right out front everytime anyone publically says anything even the slightest bit derogatory about Catholicism, but he's also a hard core right wing shiathead, so I imagine he's laying pretty low right now.


All the CINOs are apparently laying low. Nobody expected a Jesuit Pope.
 
2013-12-04 02:08:40 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Weaver95: The evangelicals are cool with the pro life thing but they really hate the thought of helping the poor.

Through the government. They really hate the thought of government help for the poor.

I can't personally stand most of the evengelicals, but they do quite a bit of charity work. (Not as much as the catholic church, mind you, but then, who does?)

I understand that you may not like them, but it's disingenuous to say they hate helping the poor.


Okay, they hate helping the poor in ways in which they can't put personal strings on it.

blog.nikhilkrishnaswamy.com
 
2013-12-04 02:10:01 PM  

Headso: yeah, how terrible


Not advocating. Just stating that they have a different worldview. And it's as valid as your or mine, whether we agree with it or not.
Did you miss the part where I said I'm no fan of evangelicals?
 
2013-12-04 02:10:18 PM  
Catholics, you are useless to the Right if you do not toe their Christian Evangelical fundamentalist line.
 
2013-12-04 02:10:50 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Weaver95: The evangelicals are cool with the pro life thing but they really hate the thought of helping the poor.

Through the government. They really hate the thought of government help for the poor.

I can't personally stand most of the evengelicals, but they do quite a bit of charity work. (Not as much as the catholic church, mind you, but then, who does?)

I understand that you may not like them, but it's disingenuous to say they hate helping the poor.


You know, I have worked in charity and social justice work across this country for a farking decade, and I have never met any evangelical Christians in it at all. I've met lots of left-wing Christians. Met lots of Catholics. Lots of atheists and Buddhists and even the occasional Muslim. I've only ever run into evangelical Christians in cases where they were proselytizing to disadvantaged people by offering weak "aid" with strings attached and our groups had to step in and provide real help to their victims.
 
2013-12-04 02:10:59 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Weaver95: The evangelicals are cool with the pro life thing but they really hate the thought of helping the poor.

Through the government. They really hate the thought of government help for the poor.


Why is it that the ONE time evangelicals don't want law taken direct from the Bible is when it comes to charity?

Gays? BAN EM.
Abortions? BAN EM.
Subservience of women? MANDATORY.
Slavish devotion to Israel? MANDATORY.
Belief in god? MANDATORY.
Charity? Ehhhh...
 
2013-12-04 02:11:13 PM  

technicolor-misfit: Okay, they hate helping the poor in ways in which they can't put personal strings on it.


True. FSM knows there are no strings whatsoever when the government helps the poor.
 
2013-12-04 02:12:49 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Headso: yeah, how terrible

Not advocating. Just stating that they have a different worldview. And it's as valid as your or mine, whether we agree with it or not.
Did you miss the part where I said I'm no fan of evangelicals?


I didn't mean to come off like I was personally attacking you, breh.
 
2013-12-04 02:13:12 PM  
So he lives large while the duped massed slave away in service to the God-state? Actually that makes sense
 
2013-12-04 02:13:32 PM  
FTA:  "Trickle-down" theories do promote economic growth when encouraged by a free market with less government regulations, and do bring about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world.

ct.fra.bz
 
2013-12-04 02:15:32 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Weaver95: The evangelicals are cool with the pro life thing but they really hate the thought of helping the poor.

Through the government. They really hate the thought of government help for the poor.

I can't personally stand most of the evengelicals, but they do quite a bit of charity work. (Not as much as the catholic church, mind you, but then, who does?)

I understand that you may not like them, but it's disingenuous to say they hate helping the poor.


Private charities, while certainly better than nothing, cannot solve the structural causes of poverty. It takes societal initiative to attack the problem at the roots. The point of anything related to helping human beings should be the elimination of specific social ills. The question to be asked is "How do we end starvation?", not "How do we keep the poor alive? ". Private charity is a good thing, but by and large it's a solution to the latter question. Governments can answer the former.

As far as I'm concerned, if the religious right is not willing to accept structural anti-poverty initiatives, they are more concerned about making themselves feel good than with providing any real help.
 
2013-12-04 02:15:52 PM  

skullkrusher: So he lives large while the duped massed slave away in service to the God-state? Actually that makes sense


What are you a commie, talking that marxist stuff?
 
2013-12-04 02:16:38 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Weaver95: The evangelicals are cool with the pro life thing but they really hate the thought of helping the poor.

Through the government. They really hate the thought of government help for the poor.

I can't personally stand most of the evengelicals, but they do quite a bit of charity work. (Not as much as the catholic church, mind you, but then, who does?)

I understand that you may not like them, but it's disingenuous to say they hate helping the poor.



Oh, and... they hate the most effective way of helping the poor...

And... they hate helping the poor in ways that might help those poors that they personally find unsavory.

ronetlcnaptown.files.wordpress.com

They prefer helping the poor on "mission trips" to exotic locations with sweet farking beaches.


"Hi, would you like to donate to help us go on mission trip to Haiti to serve the Lord?"
elevatedestinations.com
 
2013-12-04 02:17:04 PM  

Weaver95: Serious Black: I love how people are all but calling Francis a heretic and blasphemer.

Well, to the prosperity gospel types Francis is a very real threat to their ideology.


John Hagee's MegaChurch is only about 10 miles from here.

I'd really like to go in there, say "This is supposed to be a house of prayer, but you have made it a den of commerce", and see what happens.
 
2013-12-04 02:18:07 PM  

offmymeds: FTA:  "Trickle-down" theories do promote economic growth when encouraged by a free market with less government regulations, and do bring about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world.

[ct.fra.bz image 770x976]


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The pic is new, but the quote is quite old, I think 1890s
 
2013-12-04 02:18:55 PM  

Dr Dreidel: It's a telephonic mis-recounting of a popular saw in Republican circles - that the poor in America are better off than the poor in any other nation.


Yeah, I was really just pointing to the major flaw that statement, but I guess that's really just going for the low hanging fruit when I think about it. Too easy...
 
2013-12-04 02:19:41 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Weaver95: The evangelicals are cool with the pro life thing but they really hate the thought of helping the poor.

Through the government. They really hate the thought of government help for the poor.

I can't personally stand most of the evengelicals, but they do quite a bit of charity work. (Not as much as the catholic church, mind you, but then, who does?)

I understand that you may not like them, but it's disingenuous to say they hate helping the poor.


If your moral philosophy suggests that poor people are that way because God is punishing them for being sinful wretches, then you might hate the poor just a little bit.
 
2013-12-04 02:19:47 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Mikey1969: Even the poorest of the poor in the United States live far better than the rest of the world because capitalism works.


Really? The "poorest of the poor live far better than the entire "rest of the world"? So the US has a median income of $51,000, so let's say the poor live off a third of that. NOBODY on the planet makes MORE than $17,000 a year?

Hell that's the farthest I've gotten to this point, came up for air and a pair of hip waders...

It's a telephonic mis-recounting of a popular saw in Republican circles - that the poor in America are better off than the poor in any other nation.

Which is still incorrect, but at least closer to the truth. The poor in America have it better than the poor in just about any other country, but we have more of them than the developed ones, and do less. Also, THEY'RE STILL FARKING POOR.


But refrigerators!
 
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