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(ABC)   What we did see: China's first lunar probe lifting off triumphantly into space. What we didn't see: Chinese authorities scrambling to evacuate 200,000 people in the rocket's flight path so they wouldn't get his by falling booster stages   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 63
    More: Fail, flight path, lunar exploration, space launch, Hunan Province, Xichang Satellite Launch Center, rockets  
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2013-12-04 11:57:54 AM  
That's some shiatty planning there.
 
2013-12-04 12:02:01 PM  
Wow. Hey, China. Kerbal Space Program is a game, not a great idea on how to run a space program.
 
2013-12-04 12:07:43 PM  
China doesn't care about people. If that culture ever fully accepts Capitalism it will look like Rand's version of paradise.
 
2013-12-04 12:16:43 PM  
Based on my Rudimentary knowledge of rocket science, I know you want to launch rockets as close to the Equator as you can and preferably over water (why we launch from Cape Canaveral),  a quick glance at a map of China shows they have TONS of coastline down near Macau and Hong Kong that fit the bill perfectly.   So why in the hell did they launch the rocket over land?
 
2013-12-04 12:29:01 PM  
oops
 
2013-12-04 01:02:40 PM  

Magorn: Based on my Rudimentary knowledge of rocket science, I know you want to launch rockets as close to the Equator as you can and preferably over water (why we launch from Cape Canaveral),  a quick glance at a map of China shows they have TONS of coastline down near Macau and Hong Kong that fit the bill perfectly.   So why in the hell did they launch the rocket over land?


To get to lunar transfer orbital inclination during their launch gravity turn, their lift vehicle would have to travel across Japanese or worst China airspace would be my guess.
 
2013-12-04 01:30:40 PM  
Chinese technology, leading the world into the 1960s.
 
2013-12-04 01:33:13 PM  
Get his what?
 
2013-12-04 01:33:36 PM  
Well, I guess they;re gonna get his.

/Whut?
 
2013-12-04 01:33:45 PM  
Oh. "wouldn't"get hit. I read that wrong.

Weird, though... anyway.
 
2013-12-04 01:33:49 PM  

hervatski: That's some shiatty planning there.



Meh.  It's a rounding error for them.
 
2013-12-04 01:34:07 PM  

Magorn: Based on my Rudimentary knowledge of rocket science, I know you want to launch rockets as close to the Equator as you can and preferably over water (why we launch from Cape Canaveral),  a quick glance at a map of China shows they have TONS of coastline down near Macau and Hong Kong that fit the bill perfectly.   So why in the hell did they launch the rocket over land?


I wonder if the launch complex is considered a military facility, and therefore was placed far inland to shelter it from foreign attack.  Not that it's a realistic problem right now, but if the military is in charge of these things, old habits die hard.
 
2013-12-04 01:36:04 PM  

hervatski: That's some shiatty planning headline there.


FTFY.

/think it's supposed to be "runal plobe"
 
2013-12-04 01:37:07 PM  

wxboy: Magorn: Based on my Rudimentary knowledge of rocket science, I know you want to launch rockets as close to the Equator as you can and preferably over water (why we launch from Cape Canaveral),  a quick glance at a map of China shows they have TONS of coastline down near Macau and Hong Kong that fit the bill perfectly.   So why in the hell did they launch the rocket over land?

I wonder if the launch complex is considered a military facility, and therefore was placed far inland to shelter it from foreign attack.  Not that it's a realistic problem right now, but if the military is in charge of these things, old habits die hard.


It absolutely is.  Their entire space program is 100% run by the military.

/Of course, the military controls a huge chunk of the rest of the economy, too
//But that's a totally different kind of flying altogether.
 
2013-12-04 01:37:27 PM  
Chinese Space program funded by Walmart Black Friday shoppers. Vizeo all the way!!!
 
2013-12-04 01:37:57 PM  
a Chinese Rocket ?
well fark me i bet it takes 5 times as long to get there  and stays in the left lane the whole time except to move to the right lane without looking
 
2013-12-04 01:38:41 PM  
I came for Kerbal Space Program screenshots and am leaving disappointed.
 
2013-12-04 01:39:15 PM  
Rocket goes up
Booster rockets come down
Can't explain that!
 
2013-12-04 01:40:23 PM  

foo monkey: Chinese technology, leading the world into the 1960s.


Hey, YOU try building a lunar probe from a modified MiG-21.
 
2013-12-04 01:40:34 PM  
Sedagive? He said a dirty word?
 
2013-12-04 01:41:01 PM  

hervatski: That's some shiatty planning there.




Things would have worked better if they had run some drills prior to launch
 
2013-12-04 01:41:47 PM  
ok so i did the math - based upon the average speed of the rocket  with the chinese driving factored in...
the Rocket will reach the moon ...in about .. Never .
 
2013-12-04 01:42:35 PM  

Mister Buttons: Rocket goes up
Booster rockets come down
Can't explain that!


Up go the rockets/ Down come the boosters
where they land is not my department
 
2013-12-04 01:43:03 PM  
At least they're allowing the news out, including the falling parts and people killed. In the old days commies would only announce the glorious successes

That's a a kind of progress, I guess.
 
2013-12-04 01:44:22 PM  
www.quickmeme.com

/got nothin
 
2013-12-04 01:46:19 PM  
Meh. Been happening for years with Russian space launches. Commies don't care about the peons...
 
2013-12-04 01:56:17 PM  
Chinese Rocket Scientist: And your sure this will get it to the moon?

Jebidiaha: Trust me, I've..... "landed" there plenty of times! I'm sure it will work!
 
2013-12-04 01:57:00 PM  

edmo: China doesn't care about people. If that culture ever fully accepts Capitalism it will look like Rand's version of paradise.


if they didn't care why did they evacuate?
 
2013-12-04 01:58:12 PM  

Magorn: Up go the rockets/


Just reminded me of the Up Goer Five
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-12-04 01:58:57 PM  

Magorn: Mister Buttons: Rocket goes up
Booster rockets come down
Can't explain that!

Up go the rockets/ Down come the boosters
where they land is not my department


Lerher was right. Von Braun was learning Chinese. It just took 70 years to do it.
 
2013-12-04 02:01:10 PM  
In the history of the Chinese space program, this was a very minor incident

It could have been much much worse, and has been in the past
 
2013-12-04 02:02:53 PM  

MythDragon: Magorn: Up go the rockets/

Just reminded me of the Up Goer Five
[imgs.xkcd.com image 345x1500]



Looks suspiciously Saturn Five-ish. Chinese spies!
 
2013-12-04 02:08:13 PM  

MythDragon: [www.quickmeme.com image 500x500]

/got nothin


That made me laugh.

I do like the asparagus style staging though. It's always funny when you end up with a rocket that's wider than it is tall. With 9 mainsails you can lift a huge amount of weight into orbit, but you do get the Chinese problem of raining boosters down on anyone below.
 
2013-12-04 02:10:44 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: , but you do get the Chinese problem of raining boosters down on anyone below.


I've gotten to where I used the Real Parachutes mod, and put a large chute on each of my boosters, so that they can be "recovered" and reused.
 
2013-12-04 02:11:38 PM  
"Oh, one last problem: Where will the booster rockets land once they're ejected?"  "Fark it, just make sure they fall on OUR people so we don't have an incident."
 
2013-12-04 02:11:50 PM  
Needs moar dong.
i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-04 02:15:31 PM  
"Hey Ree!  Why you crash booster?"

It just doesn't ever get old for me.
 
2013-12-04 02:18:28 PM  

Arkanaut: foo monkey: Chinese technology, leading the world into the 1960s.

Hey, YOU try building a lunar probe from a modified MiG-21.


I have a sudden urge to make some mods for Kerbal.

Based on my experience, enough boosters will get anything into orbit.  But it does make an awful mess on the way up.
 
2013-12-04 02:39:13 PM  
So china now has 1960s soundstage technology?

(I kid)
 
2013-12-04 02:40:18 PM  
What's the big deal about Chinese space shots lately? China has been launching stuff for decades. An obvious propaganda stunt, one probe from 1970 was even programmed to play "The East is Red" back to Earth, to be played back at some bigshot Chinese Commie Conference.

http://www.svengrahn.pp.se/sounds/CHINA1.mp3
 
2013-12-04 02:43:30 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: In the history of the Chinese space program, this was a very minor incident

It could have been much much worse, and has been in the past


Could've been worse than that. Here's a vid of a Long March 3 veering off course immediately upon liftoff, and obliterating a town.
 
2013-12-04 02:44:14 PM  

Griftin Rubes: a Chinese Rocket ?
well fark me i bet it takes 5 times as long to get there  and stays in the left lane the whole time except to move to the right lane without looking

it must been an incredibly huge bottle, and one hell of a stick!!

 
2013-12-04 02:58:06 PM  
And this is why we launch from the middle of nowhere in florida, OVER WATER, china.

//seriously, china. Slow yo' technological roll - you gots to plan.
 
2013-12-04 02:59:51 PM  

Hz so good: Glockenspiel Hero: In the history of the Chinese space program, this was a very minor incident

It could have been much much worse, and has been in the past

Could've been worse than that. Here's a vid of a Long March 3 veering off course immediately upon liftoff, and obliterating a town.


That's in the original video- it covers both large crashes.

Of course, neither the US or China have it over Russia for both magnitude and lethality of rocket explosions- the N1 explosion was something like 7kilotons equivalent, and the R16 killed something like 125 people.
 
2013-12-04 03:02:26 PM  
i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-12-04 03:04:01 PM  
Thanks, science.  Always one degree away from killing thousands of us.
 
2013-12-04 03:08:15 PM  
Glockenspiel Hero:

That's in the original video- it covers both large crashes.

Of course, neither the US or China have it over Russia for both magnitude and lethality of rocket explosions- the N1 explosion was something like 7kilotons equivalent, and the R16 killed something like 125 people.


Ah. I saw the one long march explode in mid-air and thought it was a different vid. My bad.

Wasn't the N1 the one that incinerated everyone on the launchpad (including a general), except the designer, who went for a smoke behind a bunker?
 
2013-12-04 03:15:13 PM  
Nope, my mistake. That was the R16 that killed everybody on the launchpad, due to a short-circuit. What little video there is of that explosion is pretty grim (people on fire)

The N1 had a bolt sucked into an fuel intake or something, and was/is the largest artificial non-nuclear explosion.
 
2013-12-04 03:15:21 PM  
I'm a little surprised its fall being cushioned by people isn't part of China's recovery strategy.
 
2013-12-04 03:18:20 PM  
Glockenspiel Hero:

Of course, neither the US or China have it over Russia for both magnitude and lethality of rocket explosions- the N1 explosion was something like 7kilotons equivalent, and the R16 killed something like 125 people.

If you want to read about one of our Minutemen detonating in it's silo in Arkansas, check out Command and Control.  Damn good reading.
 
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