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(ABC)   Portland tells 11-year old girl trying to sell misletoe plants to help her dad pay for her braces that she is not allowed to sell them without the proper license. She is free however, to beg people for the money instead   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 74
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2013-12-04 11:57:14 AM  
Her dada was punched in the mouth for wanting to get braces.
 
2013-12-04 11:57:53 AM  
And remember, kids, when you can't get what you want because you're not following the rules, don't follow the rules. Rather, kick and scream and raise as much an unnecessary fuss as you can until special rules are made just for you.


Helluva message to send the kids right before Christmas.
 
2013-12-04 11:58:07 AM  
one of the biggest selling Christmas tree farms in the area, made a $1,000 donation to Madison's braces," said Root's father.

Unless she refused that $1000 on principle then she really needs to STFU and/or apply for her permit already.
 
2013-12-04 11:58:42 AM  
♪ The dream of the 90s is alive in Portland! ♫
 
2013-12-04 11:58:55 AM  
Would have been a better story if she was buying him a new colostomy bag or something.

But yah, Portland. Home of the hands-off approach to their aggressive, violent teen homeless population.
 
2013-12-04 11:59:05 AM  
She only wanted two farthings.

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2013-12-04 11:59:14 AM  
I know how she can make the money fast...
 
2013-12-04 11:59:14 AM  
Like Portland doesn't already have enough people begging.
 
2013-12-04 11:59:23 AM  

EyeballKid: And remember, kids, when you can't get what you want because you're not following the rules, don't follow the rules. Rather, kick and scream and raise as much an unnecessary fuss as you can until special rules are made just for you.


Helluva message to send the kids right before Christmas.


If the rules are stupid enough, why follow them?
 
2013-12-04 12:00:07 PM  
Welcome to Obama's America
 
2013-12-04 12:00:19 PM  

FullMetalPanda: I know how she can make the money fast...


Dude. 11.
 
2013-12-04 12:00:24 PM  
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2013-12-04 12:00:37 PM  

FullMetalPanda: I know how she can make the money fast...


By begging on the news while crying about how she's too good to beg IRL.

She knows, she's two steps ahead of you.
 
2013-12-04 12:00:52 PM  
her braces, his braces..
Ahhh... so cute! Here's $1K.
 
2013-12-04 12:01:56 PM  
Because certainly, street vendors give the area a worst image than beggars...
 
2013-12-04 12:03:05 PM  
Helping her dad pay for her braces
 
2013-12-04 12:04:19 PM  
Solution: solicit "donations" in return for free "gifts" of mistletoe. That was easy. Next problem?
 
2013-12-04 12:04:52 PM  

Frank N Stein: EyeballKid: And remember, kids, when you can't get what you want because you're not following the rules, don't follow the rules. Rather, kick and scream and raise as much an unnecessary fuss as you can until special rules are made just for you.


Helluva message to send the kids right before Christmas.

If the rules are stupid enough, why follow them?


As a lawyer, I live by the maxim "If the Law says that, then the Law is an ass" .  A nonsensical law deserves no respect simply because of its status as a law.   First, what harm is this law trying to prevent?  Probably none, Most "permit" schemes are nothing more than rent-seeking by city officials combined with anti-competitive impulses of established businesses.   Second, even if you grant the validity of the overall regulatory scheme, as yourself if the crafters of the ordinance really meant to apply it to someone like her.  If the answer is no, close one eye and move on.
 
2013-12-04 12:05:35 PM  
So she wasn't able to sell within the confines of the Saturday market? A market which requires vendors to purchase stalls, etc. The market's private security told her she could relocate to outside the grounds of the market and sell her stuff too. I have no problem with this.
 
2013-12-04 12:05:39 PM  
FTFA: The guard told Madison that she could sell her mistletoe on the city sidewalk outside the park's boundaries, but not in the market, or simply ask people for donations for her braces...

I am having trouble gathering up enough outrage.
 
2013-12-04 12:06:02 PM  

EyeballKid: And remember, kids, when you can't get what you want because you're not following the rules, don't follow the rules. Rather, kick and scream and raise as much an unnecessary fuss as you can until special rules are made just for you.



If you don't like the rules, try to get them changed: that's actually an excellent lesson in a democracy*.

/ * yes, yes -- democratic republic
 
2013-12-04 12:07:22 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: one of the biggest selling Christmas tree farms in the area, made a $1,000 donation to Madison's braces," said Root's father.

Unless she refused that $1000 on principle then she really needs to STFU and/or apply for her permit already.


What public need is satiated by requiring permits to sell misletoe.

At some point government shouldn't get involved.
 
2013-12-04 12:07:26 PM  

jshine: EyeballKid: And remember, kids, when you can't get what you want because you're not following the rules, don't follow the rules. Rather, kick and scream and raise as much an unnecessary fuss as you can until special rules are made just for you.


If you don't like the rules, try to get them changed: that's actually an excellent lesson in a democracy*.

/ * yes, yes -- democratic republic


I thought we were an autonomous collective.
 
2013-12-04 12:07:52 PM  
Well, she can't sell loggerhead turtles either. Or panda cubs or plutonium or LSD.
Why won't the government just get off the little girl's back?!
 
2013-12-04 12:08:23 PM  

Magorn: First, what harm is this law trying to prevent? Probably none, Most "permit" schemes are nothing more than rent-seeking by city officials combined with anti-competitive impulses of established businesses.


The usual answer is "blight" so that the city doesn't end up looking like a giant flea market.
 
2013-12-04 12:08:34 PM  
So she would have to put extra effort into selling the right way? The cruelty.
 
2013-12-04 12:08:48 PM  

Gaboo: jshine: EyeballKid: And remember, kids, when you can't get what you want because you're not following the rules, don't follow the rules. Rather, kick and scream and raise as much an unnecessary fuss as you can until special rules are made just for you.


If you don't like the rules, try to get them changed: that's actually an excellent lesson in a democracy*.

/ * yes, yes -- democratic republic

I thought we were an autonomous collective.


You're fooling yourself.
 
2013-12-04 12:09:33 PM  
What exactly is the problem here?

People should just be allowed to set up a table at a paid, juried market whenever the f*ck they feel like it?
 
2013-12-04 12:09:41 PM  
Mistletoe plants??? But are they local?
 
2013-12-04 12:11:58 PM  
Mistletoe can be pretty dangerous. I remember hearing a story about a blind dude that was tricked into killing his brother with some once.

Of course the guy that put him up to it was pretty twisted, what with the horse farking and all...
 
2013-12-04 12:13:13 PM  
"she could sell her mistletoe on the city sidewalk outside the park's boundaries, but not in the market "

So why not just move to the sidewalk? Not seeing the big deal here.
 
2013-12-04 12:15:35 PM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: So she wasn't able to sell within the confines of the Saturday market? A market which requires vendors to purchase stalls, etc. The market's private security told her she could relocate to outside the grounds of the market and sell her stuff too. I have no problem with this.


It's nice that someone read the article.
 
2013-12-04 12:15:46 PM  

Cletus C.: FullMetalPanda: I know how she can make the money fast...

Dude. 11.


...and that costs extra.
 
2013-12-04 12:16:00 PM  
Too bad she didn't have a DENTAL PLAN!!
-Daddy needs braces!
-DENTAL PLAN!!!
-Daddy needs braces!
-DENTAL PLAN!!!!
 
2013-12-04 12:16:35 PM  

Cletus C.: FullMetalPanda: I know how she can make the money fast...

Dude. 11.


That's a good age for babysitting actually. Responsible enough to sit on kids for a few hours without locking them in a closet and having a boyfriend over.
 
2013-12-04 12:18:45 PM  

FullMetalPanda: I know how she can make the money fast...


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2013-12-04 12:19:09 PM  

The Green Intern: Mistletoe can be pretty dangerous. I remember hearing a story about a blind dude that was tricked into killing his brother with some once.

Of course the guy that put him up to it was pretty twisted, what with the horse farking and all...


cdn.uproxx.com
 
2013-12-04 12:20:34 PM  

kazikian: Solution: solicit "donations" in return for free "gifts" of mistletoe. That was easy. Next problem?



It works at the airport

www.spiritual-revolutionary.com
 
2013-12-04 12:24:50 PM  

The Green Intern: Mistletoe can be pretty dangerous. I remember hearing a story about a blind dude that was tricked into killing his brother with some once.

Of course the guy that put him up to it was pretty twisted, what with the horse farking and all...


It's even worse: Loki was in the form of a mare.
 
2013-12-04 12:26:33 PM  

MyRandomName: What public need is satiated by requiring permits to sell misletoe.


The same public need that is satiated by requiring all other business to follow the rules. Are you suggesting that we, as a society, not set any sort of standards, or that only certain businesses should be required to meet them? I mean, if she can sell her mistletoe, then my kids can set up their lemonade stand there. And my neighbor's kids can sell their Girlscout cookies. And the weird guy down the block can sell his flowers. And so on and so forth.
 
2013-12-04 12:27:20 PM  
Odd...the cops never seem to bother the homeless 20-somethings who make wire jewelry and sell it off of blankets at the front of the market.
 
2013-12-04 12:30:59 PM  
So basically if you force your child to sell your product you can raise a tantrum when you're told to go get a damn permit like everybody else.
 
2013-12-04 12:31:05 PM  
Next you'll be hearing about Apple telling kids they can't sell string/cup telephones inside their stores. Disgusting.
 
2013-12-04 12:32:40 PM  

buckler: Odd...the cops never seem to bother the homeless 20-somethings who make wire jewelry and sell it off of blankets at the front of the market.


It's private security, if it's outside the imaginary line he isn't being paid to give a shiat.
 
2013-12-04 12:37:05 PM  
cant believe some of the comments above, encouraging begging and freeloading instead of going out and working for money? this comment thread needs to be taken out with the carpet and beaten.
2 many brainwashed beta fish followers parroting what they think other people want to hear cause they dont have the balls or brains to stand alone against crowds of stupidity for fear of social rejection.

cowards.
 
2013-12-04 12:39:56 PM  
Yeah, I saw this stupid twit on Fox yesterday in the lobby on my way out of the building. She fits perfectly on Fox, she had the outrage dialed up to 11, and pretty much made the whole "begging" statement herself. Usually, it's a cute 11 year old sitting next to a frothing parent, but this time, she was the one. They suckered one of these poor people in at 1 years old, think about THAT, people!

The My Little Pony Killer: one of the biggest selling Christmas tree farms in the area, made a $1,000 donation to Madison's braces," said Root's father.

Unless she refused that $1000 on principle then she really needs to STFU and/or apply for her permit already.


YEP! I agree...
Love to now how that one turned out.

buckler: Odd...the cops never seem to bother the homeless 20-somethings who make wire jewelry and sell it off of blankets at the front of the market.


Are they IN the confines of the market, or "at the front", like outside of the gate, or whatever marks the boundary? They told this little troll that she was welcome to step outside of the market boundaries herself.
 
2013-12-04 12:41:14 PM  

MyRandomName: The My Little Pony Killer: one of the biggest selling Christmas tree farms in the area, made a $1,000 donation to Madison's braces," said Root's father.

Unless she refused that $1000 on principle then she really needs to STFU and/or apply for her permit already.

What public need is satiated by requiring permits to sell misletoe.

At some point government shouldn't get involved.


If they do not enforce it on one person, they can't enforce it on another.  So she sets up a stall selling mistletoe, they let it slide.  The next person sets up a booth selling...whatever, doesn't matter.  A greasy 350lbs 50yo transvestite with Tourettes, selling little wicker shoes and hats.  The other stalls - the ones that actually did the permitting process and etc, complain.  They liked the little girl, but not the scary man.  The city goes to kick out the scary man.  The man...rightfully, and with adequate legal grounds, files suit against the city for discrimination.  What basis?  Age, gender, whatever - lots of things.  Calls it a hate crime.  Calls it an ADA violation.
 
2013-12-04 12:41:34 PM  

kazikian: Solution: solicit "donations" in return for free "gifts" of mistletoe. That was easy. Next problem?


I see that's been covered.
 
2013-12-04 12:45:10 PM  

Mikey1969: buckler: Odd...the cops never seem to bother the homeless 20-somethings who make wire jewelry and sell it off of blankets at the front of the market.

Are they IN the confines of the market, or "at the front", like outside of the gate, or whatever marks the boundary? They told this little troll that she was welcome to step outside of the market boundaries herself.


When I watched a local news segment about it, she pointed out the position where she was selling, which is in the approximate area of the homeless youts selling their stuff. I don't know the exact boundaries of what's considered Saturday Market territory, but there is also a lemonade vendor with a cart in that general area.
 
2013-12-04 12:46:06 PM  

IamAwake: MyRandomName: The My Little Pony Killer: one of the biggest selling Christmas tree farms in the area, made a $1,000 donation to Madison's braces," said Root's father.

Unless she refused that $1000 on principle then she really needs to STFU and/or apply for her permit already.

What public need is satiated by requiring permits to sell misletoe.

At some point government shouldn't get involved.

If they do not enforce it on one person, they can't enforce it on another.  So she sets up a stall selling mistletoe, they let it slide.  The next person sets up a booth selling...whatever, doesn't matter.  A greasy 350lbs 50yo transvestite with Tourettes, selling little wicker shoes and hats.  The other stalls - the ones that actually did the permitting process and etc, complain.  They liked the little girl, but not the scary man.  The city goes to kick out the scary man.  The man...rightfully, and with adequate legal grounds, files suit against the city for discrimination.  What basis?  Age, gender, whatever - lots of things.  Calls it a hate crime.  Calls it an ADA violation.


Um things get selectively enforced all the time. It's called discretion
 
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