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2013-12-04 12:13:05 PM  
Did he skin his ass raw?
 
2013-12-04 12:13:43 PM  
Well, was it his land the hunter parked on?
 
2013-12-04 12:13:49 PM  
Where do so many yokels get the idea that trespassing is a legal green light to assault and kill?
 
2013-12-04 12:16:03 PM  

edmo: Where do so many yokels get the idea that trespassing is a legal green light to assault and kill?


A man's property is his castle, where he is entitled to stand his ground...

/in Texas you can shoot 'em as they run away
 
2013-12-04 12:17:15 PM  
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre Part 15: Leatherface Goes To New England.
 
2013-12-04 12:17:28 PM  

edmo: Where do so many yokels get the idea that trespassing is a legal green light to assault and kill?


Lexington circa 1775
 
2013-12-04 12:18:45 PM  
Houseware, aisle 6.
 
WGJ
2013-12-04 12:19:59 PM  
And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive them that trespass against us.
 
2013-12-04 12:21:28 PM  
i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-12-04 12:21:40 PM  
The time has come for America to have a serious discussion about banning assault chainsaws.
 
2013-12-04 12:21:49 PM  

misanthropic1: edmo: Where do so many yokels get the idea that trespassing is a legal green light to assault and kill?

A man's property is his castle, where he is entitled to stand his ground...

/in Texas you can shoot 'em as they run away


Actually, it's illegal to shoot a man in the back in Texas. However, you can shoot him in the legs till he turns around
 
2013-12-04 12:23:36 PM  

WGJ: And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive them that trespass against us.


Then, once they're distracted by the forgiveness, take an eye for an eye.
 
2013-12-04 12:24:01 PM  
sooooooo where I have several chainsaws does that mean I have an arsenal and should I be on a watch list?
 
2013-12-04 12:24:13 PM  
That's nothing.  Try giving the wrong neighbor shiat about his Christmas tree...

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2013-12-04 12:24:43 PM  

edmo: Where do so many yokels get the idea that trespassing is a legal green light to assault and kill?


Because it is?
 
2013-12-04 12:25:06 PM  

iheartscotch: misanthropic1: edmo: Where do so many yokels get the idea that trespassing is a legal green light to assault and kill?

A man's property is his castle, where he is entitled to stand his ground...

/in Texas you can shoot 'em as they run away

Actually, it's illegal to shoot a man in the back in Texas. However, you can shoot him in the legs till he turns around


IANAL, but as I understand it, if it's dark out, and they're involved in the commission of a felony, you can indeed shoot them in the back as they run.
 
2013-12-04 12:29:43 PM  

iheartscotch: misanthropic1: edmo: Where do so many yokels get the idea that trespassing is a legal green light to assault and kill?

A man's property is his castle, where he is entitled to stand his ground...

/in Texas you can shoot 'em as they run away

Actually, it's illegal to shoot a man in the back in Texas. However, you can shoot him in the legs till he turns around



I think it is legal to shoot them if they are running away with your property.  I actually don't believe it is legal to shoot them if they are simply trespassing and hunting on your property.  I think the most you can do is call the authorities (the trespasser has to be actively steeling, threatening or damaging your property/life).  And technically, if you went up and biatched at them or threatened to drop a tree on their car, you could get busted for hunter harassment even if *they* are the ones trespassing...though the local authorities may overlook that if the trespassed location is in dispute.
 
2013-12-04 12:30:08 PM  
This is on the way to the Mackinac Bridge and Mackinac City. It's very Children of the Corn in some spots if you take a wrong turn. There are some pretty disturbing old farm hold houses and shacks that look like they've been uninhabited for over 100 years just standing there out in a useless overgrown field rotting and looking menacing to people driving by on the dirt roads. It's kind of like the redneck version of the bad, abandoned parts of Detroit ... which apparently is more than just a visually appropriate comparison based on this news report.

Thanks to the tourism, I understand that big box stores and large companies have created vast outdoor malls on the major freeways coming up to this area. Then you get up there and everything is geared around Mackinac City and the tourism trade. If you're not working for some big box store or Mackinac City's public and private sector, you're essentially left out in the cold in terms of earning opportunity and probably surviving off of a pension, if you're lucky, or Social Security and welfare if you're unlucky, like the vast majority of rural residents living in that area are.
 
2013-12-04 12:30:11 PM  
Hunters are a complete nuisance to a lot of people who live in remote areas.  Not saying it's ok to threaten them with a chainsaw but I understand the urge.
 
2013-12-04 12:31:46 PM  

Cold soup: This is on the way to the Mackinac Bridge and Mackinac City. It's very Children of the Corn in some spots if you take a wrong turn. There are some pretty disturbing old farm hold houses and shacks that look like they've been uninhabited for over 100 years just standing there out in a useless overgrown field rotting and looking menacing to people driving by on the dirt roads. It's kind of like the redneck version of the bad, abandoned parts of Detroit ... which apparently is more than just a visually appropriate comparison based on this news report.

Thanks to the tourism, I understand that big box stores and large companies have created vast outdoor malls on the major freeways coming up to this area. Then you get up there and everything is geared around Mackinac City and the tourism trade. If you're not working for some big box store or Mackinac City's public and private sector, you're essentially left out in the cold in terms of earning opportunity and probably surviving off of a pension, if you're lucky, or Social Security and welfare if you're unlucky, like the vast majority of rural residents living in that area are.


In Maine or Michigan?
 
2013-12-04 12:33:32 PM  
Maine style?
 
2013-12-04 12:36:30 PM  
Groovy!
 
2013-12-04 12:37:39 PM  
Maybe the primitive screwhead shoulda stayed off the man's property.

www.writeups.org
 
2013-12-04 12:38:48 PM  

IRQ12: In Maine or Michigan?

"

According to Michigan State Police, Douglas Merchant, 57..."

Ocqueoc is a Michigan township that is noteworthy because people driving "up north" to Mackinac always see the signs that bear the township's name and engage in debates on how to pronounce it.

Personally, it's "oak-wee-oak" township as far as I'm concerned.
 
2013-12-04 12:42:28 PM  

IRQ12: Hunters are a complete nuisance to a lot of people who live in remote areas.  Not saying it's ok to threaten them with a chainsaw but I understand the urge.


I've never had a problem with them on my land they always ask permission and let me know when they are there and I'm totally okay with it I have one guy that comes back every season and drops me off a case of beer. I really don't get why you'd want to up the incident into an armed confrontation anyway hunters by definition have weapons of one kind or another on them and you are in an isolated area. The story could very have ended up being posted in May about a badly decomposed body with multiple gunshot wounds found near a chainsaw.
 
2013-12-04 12:43:11 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
"Officer it was the damndest thing.........."

/better not be obscure.
 
2013-12-04 12:50:36 PM  

RTOGUY: IRQ12: Hunters are a complete nuisance to a lot of people who live in remote areas.  Not saying it's ok to threaten them with a chainsaw but I understand the urge.

I've never had a problem with them on my land they always ask permission and let me know when they are there and I'm totally okay with it I have one guy that comes back every season and drops me off a case of beer. I really don't get why you'd want to up the incident into an armed confrontation anyway hunters by definition have weapons of one kind or another on them and you are in an isolated area. The story could very have ended up being posted in May about a badly decomposed body with multiple gunshot wounds found near a chainsaw.


OTOH you have the one who trespass like the one in this story.

They guy may be an old crazy coot but I have a feeling the "victim" was a LEO.
 
2013-12-04 12:52:02 PM  

edmo: Where do so many yokels get the idea that trespassing is a legal green light to assault and kill?


Some people have it in their mind that "no trespassing - violators will be shot" signs they saw during their youth were legitimate and legal.  If only.  I'd love to put a "no soliciting - violators will be shot" sign on my front door and actively enforce it.  Too bad that the Man frowns upon such actions.
 
2013-12-04 12:54:33 PM  
I call fish and game and have them removed.
fish and game will automatically tear their vehicle apart with no warrant required because if they are hunting on land with out permission, they probably are up to something else nefarious and that is all the prob cause they need.

I have game cams on my house and the HD is inside.
360 surveillance.
 
2013-12-04 12:55:57 PM  
It's Michigan, Subby.

We have a Presque Isle in what we call "The County", but it's not Presque Isle County.

/You can't get there from here...
//Ayuh.
 
2013-12-04 12:56:55 PM  

Dinjiin: I'd love to put a "no soliciting - violators will be shot" sign on my front door and actively enforce it.


When I was young, I thought a "no soliciting" sign was the same as a "no prostitution" sign, because prostitutes were charged with solicitation.
 
2013-12-04 12:58:59 PM  

vudukungfu: I have game cams on my house and the HD is inside.


You should know better than to tell us where the images are stored, so they're probably actually stored on Internet servers, and you're just trying to get bad guys to break in so you can shoot them inside your house. That's clever of you.
 
2013-12-04 01:19:50 PM  
Wow, MI are doing their best to promote hunting.  Back in the 70's, my dad and my uncle were hunting my grandpa's land at night when a bullet struck the tree between them.  Both being Army veterans, dropped to the ground and returned fire.  The trespassing hunter started yelling he is human, to which my dad replied "What do you think we are?".  After the shooting stopped, my grandpa got out there and proceeded to destroy the trespasser's rifle.  The deputy sheriff shows up, listens to all sides, looks at the tree, looks at the completely destroyed rifle then arrested the trespasser.  The trespasser swore he had a right to hunt there because he was from Detroit and a lawyer.  Grandpa's land was clearly marked on all sides as private property.  I am surprised the lawyer wasn't killed, it wasn't the first time someone shot at my dad in the darkness of night.  The previous shooter was killed.

I met a farmer in Whittemore, MI, who looked forward to hunting season as a money making venture.  His property was also marked with 'no trespassing' signs, and that never stop hunters from lower MI from hunting on private land.  The farmer waits till the hunter disappears into the woods before slashing the car's tires.  He waits for the hunters to try to leave then charge them $500 to pull the cars off the property.  They always want to call their own tow truck, to which he lets them because they'll need the tow truck after the car is off his property.  All the local tow truck drivers already know they are not allowed on his land.

RTOGUY: IRQ12: Hunters are a complete nuisance to a lot of people who live in remote areas.  Not saying it's ok to threaten them with a chainsaw but I understand the urge.

I've never had a problem with them on my land they always ask permission and let me know when they are there and I'm totally okay with it I have one guy that comes back every season and drops me off a case of beer. I really don't get why you'd want to up the incident into an armed confrontation anyway hunters by definition have weapons of one kind or another on them and you are in an isolated area. The story could very have ended up being posted in May about a badly decomposed body with multiple gunshot wounds found near a chainsaw.


Not all property owners feel the same way and that is their right.  Also, a lot of hunters traveling to the woods, think acres of land growing wild is free to hunt.  I don't of know any land that is just open wilderness for hunting in MI.  It is either private property or state land, and both have rules.  The farmers I know that have a huge problem with trespassing hunters is how the unwanted car and trucks tear up the land.  Sometimes crops are planted prior to winter, and some idiot with a truck could ruin a crop by trudging through what appears to be a bare field.  It's the idiots that ruin it.
 
2013-12-04 01:21:30 PM  

RTOGUY: IRQ12: Hunters are a complete nuisance to a lot of people who live in remote areas.  Not saying it's ok to threaten them with a chainsaw but I understand the urge.

I've never had a problem with them on my land they always ask permission and let me know when they are there and I'm totally okay with it I have one guy that comes back every season and drops me off a case of beer. I really don't get why you'd want to up the incident into an armed confrontation anyway hunters by definition have weapons of one kind or another on them and you are in an isolated area. The story could very have ended up being posted in May about a badly decomposed body with multiple gunshot wounds found near a chainsaw.


Excellent point. The people you want to confront are unarmed: foreign exchange students, Black single mothers with car trouble, Democratic Party canvassers.
 
2013-12-04 01:37:31 PM  

WelldeadLink: Dinjiin: I'd love to put a "no soliciting - violators will be shot" sign on my front door and actively enforce it.

When I was young, I thought a "no soliciting" sign was the same as a "no prostitution" sign, because prostitutes were charged with solicitation.


Hah.  Kid logic can be the funniest thing.

But come to think about it, the better prostitutes would make you come to them, not the other way around.  So I think that no solicitation, in either meaning of the phrase, is still applicable.
 
2013-12-04 01:40:00 PM  
They must have updated this article after it was submitted because this is not Presque Isle Maine, its Michigan
 
2013-12-04 02:10:42 PM  

Moonbase0: They must have updated this article after it was submitted because this is not Presque Isle Maine, its Michigan


People who know the difference between Maine and Michigan are overqualified to work in the news business today.
 
2013-12-04 02:46:13 PM  
ts3.mm.bing.net
English can you read it?
 
2013-12-04 03:34:41 PM  

Moonbase0: They must have updated this article after it was submitted because this is not Presque Isle Maine, its Michigan


My family leaves close enough to Presqu'Ile, Maine, to get the same weather--one hour later. Good way to check the weather is to tune in the radio station there. The name means "almost an island", or "peninsula".

I don't know about Michigan but you have to be careful when the hunters are out in Maine. A lot of them are city-slickers, drunk, and shooting at anything that moves, including cars, cattle, and each other (it does make hunting more fair for the game. They have half a chance the hunters won't hit them, and even get a chance to shoot the hunters like that Bambi-themed hunting game I had on my computer when I was young).

Ever see the Upper Class Twit Award sketch on Monty Python? Like that only with hunter orange vests and hats.

You don't get the same class of ig'nent yahoos hunting deer or moose in New Brunswick. If they take a shot at you, they mistook you for a game warden or just don't like you being around because you might yap to a game warden. They know what they're doing. A lot fewer hunters, cars and cattle die each year although a more licences are available. Maine used to have very few moose but they've managed to get the population up over the last few decades.

Of course, most hunters are reasonably responsible people even after a few beers or ten. But you do get a lot of amateurs and yahoos all the same.
 
2013-12-04 03:52:23 PM  

brantgoose: Moonbase0: They must have updated this article after it was submitted because this is not Presque Isle Maine, its Michigan

My family leaves close enough to Presqu'Ile, Maine, to get the same weather--one hour later. Good way to check the weather is to tune in the radio station there. The name means "almost an island", or "peninsula".

I don't know about Michigan but you have to be careful when the hunters are out in Maine. A lot of them are city-slickers, drunk, and shooting at anything that moves, including cars, cattle, and each other (it does make hunting more fair for the game. They have half a chance the hunters won't hit them, and even get a chance to shoot the hunters like that Bambi-themed hunting game I had on my computer when I was young).

Ever see the Upper Class Twit Award sketch on Monty Python? Like that only with hunter orange vests and hats.

You don't get the same class of ig'nent yahoos hunting deer or moose in New Brunswick. If they take a shot at you, they mistook you for a game warden or just don't like you being around because you might yap to a game warden. They know what they're doing. A lot fewer hunters, cars and cattle die each year although a more licences are available. Maine used to have very few moose but they've managed to get the population up over the last few decades.

Of course, most hunters are reasonably responsible people even after a few beers or ten. But you do get a lot of amateurs and yahoos all the same.


I live in Orrington so a soon as I opened the article I knew it wasn't Maine
 
2013-12-04 06:13:36 PM  
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pffft... amateur
 
pla
2013-12-04 06:29:36 PM  
edmo : Where do so many yokels get the idea that trespassing is a legal green light to assault and kill?

Maine actually has "permissive trespass", meaning that until you've actually told someone to stay the hell off your land, they can legally cross (though not loiter on) your property.

That said, jacking deer completely changes the situation. That goes from "friendly warning", to "warning shot" territory.
 
pla
2013-12-04 06:37:51 PM  
IRQ12 : Hunters are a complete nuisance to a lot of people who live in remote areas.

Depends on what type you mean.

Folk from "Away", sure - Keep 'em the hell south of Portland, MA (no, not a typo). But natives? Free hint, if you moved here from Away: Post your land at your mortal peril. Locals who have hunted on "your" land since their great grands' day don't take well to suddenly finding their favorite hunting-orchard off-limits. They'll respect it, make no mistake, but pray you never find yourself stuck in the ditch after that.
 
2013-12-04 07:21:16 PM  

WelldeadLink: vudukungfu: I have game cams on my house and the HD is inside.

You should know better than to tell us where the images are stored, so they're probably actually stored on Internet servers, and you're just trying to get bad guys to break in so you can shoot them inside your house. That's clever of you.


I haven't shot anybody since 1984.
 
2013-12-04 10:21:11 PM  

edmo: Where do so many yokels get the idea that trespassing is a legal green light to assault and kill?


I guess the idea that the guy only threatened with a chainsaw only wanted the hunter to take his car and leave, sounds like a license to kill to you.

My dad and uncle fired on a trespassing hunter for first firing a shot.  I am sure that would count as a good reason as any to shoot back.
 
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