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(Athlon Sports)   Twenty all-time worst coaches at great college football programs. List fails for only ranking Lane Kiffin #19   (athlonsports.com) divider line 68
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2013-12-04 12:07:34 PM
Will Muschamp still has time to move up several notches.
 
2013-12-04 12:24:56 PM
Surprised we didn't see a Luke Fickell in there, even if he was interim and only one season. First 7 loss season for Ohio State since the late 1800s.
 
2013-12-04 12:25:08 PM

Confabulat: Will Muschamp still has time to move up several notches.


Wonder if he regrets leaving Texas, as Mack Brown's job is in question.
 
2013-12-04 12:26:14 PM
Lane Kiffin at USC is 19? That little shiat was brought in to keep the seat warm for the next guy they would hire when the sanctions and scholarship reductions were up. The man can recruit. And, yes, Dooley was a failure but when Kiffin suddenly blew out with only days to go before letters of intent were to be signed, high profile coaches weren't exactly falling all over themselves to clean up Kiffin's mess. Dooley was a poor coach, but Kiffin was the one who turned the Vols program into a train wreck.
 
2013-12-04 12:27:58 PM
Can one person be on the list twice? List fails without Ty Willingham at Washington in the top five. As someone smart once said, Keith Gilbertson killed the Washington football program and Ty Willingham raped the corpse.
 
2013-12-04 12:32:40 PM
Lane Kiffin went 28-15.  He's the third best coach USC has had in the past 30 years (better than Tollner, Larry Smith, and Hackett).

USC fired a guy who went 28-15 to hire a guy with a 34-29 record.

I'm not saying Lane Kiffin is Pete Carroll or anything, but the guy wasn't nearly as horrible as everyone thinks he is.
 
2013-12-04 12:33:28 PM

Super Chronic: Can one person be on the list twice? List fails without Ty Willingham at Washington in the top five. As someone smart once said, Mark Emmert killed the Washington football program and Ty Willingham raped the corpse.


Fixed that for you.

At least Emmert is killing the NCAA now.
 
2013-12-04 12:33:39 PM
The Zookster at 17?  Spurrier left him Sexy Rexy and he still had 3 unranked finishes.

Lane Kiffin just destroyed Tennessee.  He stood in the farking parking lot as he was leaving recruiting players he'd just recruited to transfer to USC.  What a nozzle.  Tennessee deserved that train wreck after shoving Phil Fulmer out the door the way they did.

Verdict is still out on Screaming Will.  He'd better turn it around this year or Foley will be kicking him to the curb, probably heavily recruiting the guy from Duke who's coaching way above the talent level there.

from the list : Touchdown Jesus might need a little help recruiting coaches for Notre Dame
 
2013-12-04 12:36:43 PM
i was living in penn state country in the late 90's and being a penn state hater i remember for a few weeks the newspapers were hinting about something being wrong. i'm convinced paterno knew many things were not adding up even then. off the field in more important then on it.
 
2013-12-04 12:45:27 PM
I'd have Kiffin at No. 1 and Dooley at No. 2. And then Kiffin again at No. 3. That's possible, right?
 
2013-12-04 12:46:40 PM
ITT:  Butthurt Vol fans.
 
2013-12-04 12:50:23 PM
While not one of the "great" programs, they still should have given a spot to John Mackovic at Arizona.  He took a decent football program and absolutely cratered it.  Even had a player revolt.  Should have been on the list for how thoroughly he ruined it.
 
2013-12-04 12:51:20 PM

Nabb1: Lane Kiffin at USC is 19? That little shiat was brought in to keep the seat warm for the next guy they would hire when the sanctions and scholarship reductions were up. The man can recruit. And, yes, Dooley was a failure but when Kiffin suddenly blew out with only days to go before letters of intent were to be signed, high profile coaches weren't exactly falling all over themselves to clean up Kiffin's mess. Dooley was a poor coach, but Kiffin was the one who turned the Vols program into a train wreck.


THIS. Kiffin should have had 2 spots.
 
2013-12-04 01:02:09 PM

Nabb1: Dooley was a poor coach, but Kiffin was the one who turned the Vols program into a train wreck.


There's no doubt what Kiffin did to UT, but Dooley's mess is like looking under the sofa and discovering what happens when you don't move it to clean for three years.
 
2013-12-04 01:21:14 PM
Bill Callahan should have been higher. Not #1, but certainly top 10.
 
2013-12-04 01:24:11 PM
Can someone post the list? Blocked at work.
 
2013-12-04 01:34:14 PM
Shula got the Bama job because they were too racist to hire a black man.
 
2013-12-04 01:36:49 PM

Nabb1: Lane Kiffin at USC is 19? That little shiat was brought in to keep the seat warm for the next guy they would hire when the sanctions and scholarship reductions were up. The man can recruit. And, yes, Dooley was a failure but when Kiffin suddenly blew out with only days to go before letters of intent were to be signed, high profile coaches weren't exactly falling all over themselves to clean up Kiffin's mess. Dooley was a poor coach, but Kiffin was the one who turned the Vols program into a train wreck.


People who hate on Kiffin's tenure at USC are morons.  They all see the bowl ban as being the major punishment from the Bush scandal (especially since it likely kept them out of a Rose Bowl) but the scholarship reductions were a much bigger deal.  What did they have this year, 57 scholarship players on their regular roster?  That's an entire recruiting class missing, and then some.  USC was never going to keep churning out 10-win seasons with those roster reductions.

And everybody loved Orgeron, but there's no reason to believe Kiffin couldn't have finished with 9 wins against that back-half schedule.  Utah, Oregon State, Cal, and Colorado are all games that USC should win no matter who the coach.  While they might not have beaten Stanford, they probably should have beaten Notre Dame.

If Kiffin was just keeping the seat warm for Seven-Win Steve, why didn't they just hire him in 2010 when the job was open in the first place?
 
2013-12-04 01:37:16 PM
Number 1 on my list is Skip Holtz. USF went from a team that was regularly ranked in the top 25 and put them in the bottom 25. Skip went on to coach a team team in Lousiana and turned around a 11 win team to a 3 win team. Skip blows. Had Leavitt still been at USF when the Big East fell apart, I think there is a chance USF would've been invited to a bigger confrence. Skip set the Bulls back 20 years. Holtz. What a putz.

Muschump is a godsend to Miami, FSU, and Georgia (soutehrn).
 
2013-12-04 01:38:12 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Surprised we didn't see a Luke Fickell in there, even if he was interim and only one season. First 7 loss season for Ohio State since the late 1800s.




Considering what was going on with The Buckeyes that season, it was impressive that they won as many games as they did. He also didn't wreck the program judging by their record the past few years. John Cooper was bigger dud judging by his record against Michigan and in bowl games.
 
2013-12-04 01:39:29 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Surprised we didn't see a Luke Fickell in there, even if he was interim and only one season. First 7 loss season for Ohio State since the late 1800s.


I really hope some MAC school is dumb enough to hire him as a head coach and get him away from being defensive coordinator, which he is in no-way qualified for.
 
2013-12-04 01:40:23 PM
Came to see if Howie and Boo made the list.

Schnelly is absolutely the most hated coach Oklahoma ever had, I doubt less than 2% of our fans would disagree.
 
2013-12-04 01:40:50 PM

Super Chronic: Can one person be on the list twice? List fails without Ty Willingham at Washington in the top five. As someone smart once said, Keith Gilbertson killed the Washington football program and Ty Willingham raped the corpse.



Seconded....f*ck him....he should be banned from football.....ALL FOOTBALL.....including Pop Warner League.
 
2013-12-04 01:45:52 PM

rugman11: Nabb1: Lane Kiffin at USC is 19? That little shiat was brought in to keep the seat warm for the next guy they would hire when the sanctions and scholarship reductions were up. The man can recruit. And, yes, Dooley was a failure but when Kiffin suddenly blew out with only days to go before letters of intent were to be signed, high profile coaches weren't exactly falling all over themselves to clean up Kiffin's mess. Dooley was a poor coach, but Kiffin was the one who turned the Vols program into a train wreck.

People who hate on Kiffin's tenure at USC are morons.  They all see the bowl ban as being the major punishment from the Bush scandal (especially since it likely kept them out of a Rose Bowl) but the scholarship reductions were a much bigger deal.  What did they have this year, 57 scholarship players on their regular roster?  That's an entire recruiting class missing, and then some.  USC was never going to keep churning out 10-win seasons with those roster reductions.

And everybody loved Orgeron, but there's no reason to believe Kiffin couldn't have finished with 9 wins against that back-half schedule.  Utah, Oregon State, Cal, and Colorado are all games that USC should win no matter who the coach.  While they might not have beaten Stanford, they probably should have beaten Notre Dame.

If Kiffin was just keeping the seat warm for Seven-Win Steve, why didn't they just hire him in 2010 when the job was open in the first place?


That piece of human excrement had staffers "reaching out" to Tulane coaches right after Katrina when they were staying at Rice University in Houston to see if any players "needed any information on transfer." I hope he ends up selling bags of oranges on a freeway on-ramp outside of L.A.
 
2013-12-04 01:50:41 PM
And Rich Rodriguez ranked outside the top 10 too.  Travesty.
 
2013-12-04 01:57:46 PM
I LOL'd when I saw Dan Hawkins make the list.  He was terrible for CU.  He blew a 30-something halftime lead trying to get his son the CU passing record.
 
2013-12-04 02:02:44 PM

Arkanaut: And Rich Rodriguez ranked outside the top 10 too.  Travesty.


It's weird to me how many Michigan fans are floating around who still worship that guy.
 
2013-12-04 02:21:44 PM

meanmutton: Arkanaut: And Rich Rodriguez ranked outside the top 10 too.  Travesty.

It's weird to me how many Michigan fans are floating around who still worship that guy.


Seriously? Him?
 
2013-12-04 02:23:14 PM

Arkanaut: meanmutton: Arkanaut: And Rich Rodriguez ranked outside the top 10 too.  Travesty.

It's weird to me how many Michigan fans are floating around who still worship that guy.

Seriously? Him?


Oh, absolutely.  I know two in particular who thought that firing Rich Rod cost them a spot in the national championship game in 2011.
 
2013-12-04 02:25:46 PM
Charlie Weis looked suspiciously like George Chaump, a coach we had at Navy during the 90's. he had a 1-11 season and his contract got renewed because that win was against Army.

Never wanted to punch a man in the face with such vigor before Chaump.
 
2013-12-04 02:31:35 PM
Jack Crowe, Danny Ford, Houston Nutt, John L. Smith and (so far) Bert Bielema.

/I know, considering Arkansas a "great program" is a stretch
 
2013-12-04 03:00:53 PM

AtariGod: I LOL'd when I saw Dan Hawkins make the list.  He was terrible for CU.  He blew a 30-something halftime lead trying to get his son the CU passing record.


No doubt. As a CU alum I was excited about his hire due to his success at Boise State. It wasn't long before we all found out he wasn't the brains behind their success. God he was terrible.
 
2013-12-04 03:12:43 PM

majestic: Jack Crowe, Danny Ford, Houston Nutt, John L. Smith and (so far) Bert Bielema.

/I know, considering Arkansas a "great program" is a stretch


Hey, I'll give you Arkansas. They can (kinda) claim a national championship (which, if you look at how things happened in 1964, makes the current situation seem much more reasonable). I'll certainly give you Crowe, Smith, and Ford (although he did at least win a division), but what was so bad about Nutt?
 
2013-12-04 03:18:44 PM

johnnyq: majestic: Jack Crowe, Danny Ford, Houston Nutt, John L. Smith and (so far) Bert Bielema.

/I know, considering Arkansas a "great program" is a stretch

Hey, I'll give you Arkansas. They can (kinda) claim a national championship (which, if you look at how things happened in 1964, makes the current situation seem much more reasonable). I'll certainly give you Crowe, Smith, and Ford (although he did at least win a division), but what was so bad about Nutt?


He was a conniving, jealous, insecure buffoon with a mediocre record.
 
2013-12-04 03:29:13 PM

majestic: He was a conniving, jealous, insecure buffoon with a mediocre record.


Everything before the "mediocre record" basically makes him a college football coach.
 
2013-12-04 03:31:30 PM

majestic: He was a conniving, jealous, insecure buffoon with a mediocre record.


It's coming back to me now. There was some off the field stuff at the end of his tenure, wasn't there? Did Arkansas fans fall into pro- and anti-Nutt camps? I seem to recall my father-in-law (an Arkansas fan) being slightly in the pro-Nutt camp. Not sure, though, it wasn't a big topic of discussion.
 
2013-12-04 03:57:30 PM

PowerSlacker: Lane Kiffin went 28-15.  He's the third best coach USC has had in the past 30 years (better than Tollner, Larry Smith, and Hackett).

USC fired a guy who went 28-15 to hire a guy with a 34-29 record.

I'm not saying Lane Kiffin is Pete Carroll or anything, but the guy wasn't nearly as horrible as everyone thinks he is.


Considering how well the replacement coach did I would say hes a horrible coach.
 
2013-12-04 04:08:59 PM

Super Chronic: Can one person be on the list twice? List fails without Ty Willingham at Washington in the top five. As someone smart once said, Keith Gilbertson killed the Washington football program and Ty Willingham raped the corpse.

Came here for this.  Willingham went 0-12 with a team that had 5 future NFL players on the roster.

 
2013-12-04 04:21:58 PM

steamingpile: PowerSlacker: Lane Kiffin went 28-15.  He's the third best coach USC has had in the past 30 years (better than Tollner, Larry Smith, and Hackett).

USC fired a guy who went 28-15 to hire a guy with a 34-29 record.

I'm not saying Lane Kiffin is Pete Carroll or anything, but the guy wasn't nearly as horrible as everyone thinks he is.

Considering how well the replacement coach did I would say hes a horrible coach.


Kiffin went 3-2 with losses to teams that combined to finish 16-8 and got his three wins from Utah State (8-4 and potential MWC champs), BC (7-5), and Hawaii (1-11).  Orgeron went 6-2 with losses to teams that combined to finish 17-9 and got five of his wins from Arizona (7-5), Oregon State (6-6), Utah (5-7), Colorado (4-8), and Cal (1-11).  You don't think Kiffin could have gone 5-3 or 6-2 against that schedule?
 
2013-12-04 04:25:23 PM
Walt Harris went 5-6 and 1-11 in his two seasons at Stanford.  Not that the Cardinal was powerhouse throughout the decades, but that 1-11 record is the worst going back to 1960.  He would later go on to be fired as the OC of a Div II program.

And yeah, Derek Dooley got the short of the stick on this list.
 
2013-12-04 04:31:24 PM

Craw Fu: Super Chronic: Can one person be on the list twice? List fails without Ty Willingham at Washington in the top five. As someone smart once said, Keith Gilbertson killed the Washington football program and Ty Willingham raped the corpse.

Came here for this.  Willingham went 0-12 with a team that had 5 future NFL players on the roster.


www.nwsportsbeat.com

Coach James says "25 years after the fact, and they still haven't hired a coach fit to carry my jock."
 
2013-12-04 04:54:05 PM
Zook doesn't belong on that list.  He certainly wasnt the right guy for the Florida job (esp between Spurrier and Urban), but its ridiculous to put him on the list of the worst coaching hires for great programs, especially for a program that took almost 60 years to win its first SEC title.
 
2013-12-04 04:59:42 PM

balki1867: Zook doesn't belong on that list.  He certainly wasnt the right guy for the Florida job (esp between Spurrier and Urban), but its ridiculous to put him on the list of the worst coaching hires for great programs, especially for a program that took almost 60 years to win its first SEC title.


Well, there were little things like picking fights with a frat house, and generally acting like a sputtering moron, that sort of helped seal the deal too. Like with Lane Kiffin. Some coaches just can't get their shiat together in real life enough and it spills out everywhere and then no one likes them anymore, and win-loss doesn't matter.

And nor do the 60 years before Spurrier either, Zook inherited Rex Grossman and still couldn't do anything with an offense. He was clearly over his head from Day One and all he could do for three years was stammer, "we're getting better and better!"
 
2013-12-04 05:09:31 PM
How about the guy that Couged it before ever coaching a game?

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2013-12-04 05:09:51 PM

Confabulat: Well, there were little things like picking fights with a frat house, and generally acting like a sputtering moron, that sort of helped seal the deal too. Like with Lane Kiffin. Some coaches just can't get their shiat together in real life enough and it spills out everywhere and then no one likes them anymore, and win-loss doesn't matter.

And nor do the 60 years before Spurrier either, Zook inherited Rex Grossman and still couldn't do anything with an offense. He was clearly over his head from Day One and all he could do for three years was stammer, "we're getting better and better!"


Haha, I forgot the frat house incident.  You're right about that.

That said, most of these guys took programs with 30+ years of history and actually ran up losing records with them.  Zook had 7- to 8-win seasons and Meyer did great with those guy as soon as Zook was gone (I'm not trying to give Zook credit for Urban's success but just pointing out he didn't exactly destroy the program in his three years).

Zook was letdown at Florida, but he doesn't belong on that list.
 
2013-12-04 05:56:15 PM

Rent Party: How about the guy that Couged it before ever coaching a game?

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If only Price had won national titles before - I'm pretty sure that Saban could pay $1 million to snort coke off a transvestite hooker's dick right now and no one would give a damn.

Nothing wrong with buying college kids booze and hitting up strip clubs. Can't be letting them get the university card, though...although I'm pretty sure that a) they can cover anything, and b) they can report the card stolen like anyone else and get that money back.
 
2013-12-04 06:07:10 PM
In defense of Joe Kuharich, he was the headcoach at a time when the administration at Notre Dame was trying to quietly kill the program and refused to offer the same number of scholarships as the rest of the division I football teams,  tried to recruit top players while keeping the same admission standards as the Ivy League at a time when there were no academic standards in the NCAA, while Notre Dame was still expected to play top teams. It was a recipe for disaster. Weis suffered a 2-8 season while playing cream-puff teams, with the full support of the school and none of the handicaps the coaches from the mediocre era of 1954-1964 suffered from.
 
2013-12-04 06:10:54 PM

greentea1985: In defense of Joe Kuharich, he was the headcoach at a time when the administration at Notre Dame was trying to quietly kill the program and refused to offer the same number of scholarships as the rest of the division I football teams,  tried to recruit top players while keeping the same admission standards as the Ivy League at a time when there were no academic standards in the NCAA, while Notre Dame was still expected to play top teams. It was a recipe for disaster. Weis suffered a 2-8 season while playing cream-puff teams, with the full support of the school and none of the handicaps the coaches from the mediocre era of 1954-1964 suffered from.


ND has just had so many mediocre eras.  It must be hard to only talk about a few of them.

Top twenty list worst coaches.  Four are from ND.
 
2013-12-04 06:16:52 PM

Arkanaut: And Rich Rodriguez ranked outside the top 10 too.  Travesty.


His parents had to take their name off their mailbox when he left WVU.  Does that help quell your rage?
 
2013-12-04 06:21:23 PM

chuggernaught: greentea1985: In defense of Joe Kuharich, he was the headcoach at a time when the administration at Notre Dame was trying to quietly kill the program and refused to offer the same number of scholarships as the rest of the division I football teams,  tried to recruit top players while keeping the same admission standards as the Ivy League at a time when there were no academic standards in the NCAA, while Notre Dame was still expected to play top teams. It was a recipe for disaster. Weis suffered a 2-8 season while playing cream-puff teams, with the full support of the school and none of the handicaps the coaches from the mediocre era of 1954-1964 suffered from.

ND has just had so many mediocre eras.  It must be hard to only talk about a few of them.

Top twenty list worst coaches.  Four are from ND.


Yes. Part of the issue is that Notre Dame fans expect the team to be top 25 every year and call for the head coach to be fired every time when they are not, even if the coach has a winning record over-all. Eventually, Notre Dame just needs to join one of the leagues. It is easy to win when the school gets to pick all of its opponents.
 
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