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2013-12-04 12:42:25 PM
Not if you go to Notre Dame it isn't.
 
2013-12-04 12:45:58 PM

Uncle Eazy: Not if you go to Notre Dame it isn't.


Plan C it is then.

cdn.theatlantic.com
 
2013-12-04 12:58:02 PM

bdub77: Uncle Eazy: Not if you go to Notre Dame it isn't.

Plan C see it is then.


FTFY

/bad joke
 
2013-12-04 01:29:41 PM

bdub77: Plan C it is then.


EGADS, MAN! God-fearing Republican women would NEVER stoop to such inhuman and ghastly murder methods such as Abortion in our United States of America. That's what Mexico is for.
 
2013-12-04 01:49:03 PM
I was at the barber shop yesterday along with a father and his two young sons (around 5 and 7 I would guess). As I was getting clipped, the father asks his younger sone "What are we; Democrates or Republicans". The 7 year old piped up "Republicans". The crowd thought that was pretty funny. But when the father ask "What do we think about Obama?" The crowd exploded in laughter when he said in his clear young voice "He takes our money and gives it to the lazy". I have large gap in my hair as a memento from laughing so hard.
 
2013-12-04 01:50:43 PM

Rapmaster2000: I was at the barber shop yesterday along with a father and his two young sons (around 5 and 7 I would guess). As I was getting clipped, the father asks his younger sone "What are we; Democrates or Republicans". The 7 year old piped up "Republicans". The crowd thought that was pretty funny. But when the father ask "What do we think about Obama?" The crowd exploded in laughter when he said in his clear young voice "He takes our money and gives it to the lazy". I have large gap in my hair as a memento from laughing so hard.


You mammal creatures indoctrinate your young at your fur grooming houses? Have you no egg creches?
 
2013-12-04 01:51:28 PM
They have tried Plan B. They have tried RU-486. Their next plan is to drown it in the river like a girl baby.
 
2013-12-04 01:52:09 PM
The Freeper mod must be on duty today.  So many derpy links.
 
2013-12-04 01:53:58 PM

Infernalist: The Freeper mod must be on duty today.  So many derpy links.


Drew has some Christmas shopping to do.
 
2013-12-04 01:54:02 PM
What Liberal Hack wrote this propeganda piece? Obamacare getting better....that's like saying it was good for the titanic to take on more water. It gets worse by the day. Just wait until next year when over 100 million Americans begin to lose their coverage because of Obamacare. We've only hit the tip of the iceberg in the destruction this law will do to Americans and their pocket books. This author is basically a speach writer for Obama. What ever happened to an honest reporter, looking for the truth? Sad, but this type of article is why the media loses so much respect with anyone with an ounce of knowledge.
And oh year, the Republicans have TWO alternative bills in the house. So the entire premise of the article is based on a foundation of lies, or being uninformed. Repubs do have an alternative ready to replace this debacle.
 
2013-12-04 01:54:03 PM

Rapmaster2000: I was at the barber shop yesterday along with a father and his two young sons (around 5 and 7 I would guess). As I was getting clipped, the father asks his younger sone "What are we; Democrates or Republicans". The 7 year old piped up "Republicans". The crowd thought that was pretty funny. But when the father ask "What do we think about Obama?" The crowd exploded in laughter when he said in his clear young voice "He takes our money and gives it to the lazy". I have large gap in my hair as a memento from laughing so hard.


Hitler Youth

It's been done before. It's hilarious. :/
 
2013-12-04 01:54:39 PM

Infernalist: The Freeper mod admin must be on duty today.  So many derpy links.

 
2013-12-04 01:55:06 PM
I thought the guy trying to outlaw websites was on the case.
 
2013-12-04 01:55:15 PM

Rapmaster2000: I was at the barber shop yesterday along with a father and his two young sons (around 5 and 7 I would guess). As I was getting clipped, the father asks his younger sone "What are we; Democrates or Republicans". The 7 year old piped up "Republicans". The crowd thought that was pretty funny. But when the father ask "What do we think about Obama?" The crowd exploded in laughter when he said in his clear young voice "He takes our money and gives it to the lazy". I have large gap in my hair as a memento from laughing so hard.


Can we assume the original was preceded with about eighty seven "FW"?
 
2013-12-04 01:57:17 PM

Infernalist: The Freeper mod must be on duty today.  So many derpy links.


fc05.deviantart.net

She does not appreciate your accusation.
 
2013-12-04 01:59:31 PM

Rapmaster2000: What Liberal Hack wrote this propeganda piece? Obamacare getting better....that's like saying it was good for the titanic to take on more water. It gets worse by the day. Just wait until next year when over 100 million Americans begin to lose their coverage because of Obamacare. We've only hit the tip of the iceberg in the destruction this law will do to Americans and their pocket books. This author is basically a speach writer for Obama. What ever happened to an honest reporter, looking for the truth? Sad, but this type of article is why the media loses so much respect with anyone with an ounce of knowledge.
And oh year, the Republicans have TWO alternative bills in the house. So the entire premise of the article is based on a foundation of lies, or being uninformed. Repubs do have an alternative ready to replace this debacle.


There's a typo in your copy-paste.
 
Bf+
2013-12-04 01:59:45 PM

Rapmaster2000: "He takes our money and gives it to the lazy". I have large gap in my hair as a memento from laughing so hard.


Republican humor, everybody.
 
2013-12-04 02:02:04 PM

dslknowitall: Rapmaster2000: What Liberal Hack wrote this propeganda piece? Obamacare getting better....that's like saying it was good for the titanic to take on more water. It gets worse by the day. Just wait until next year when over 100 million Americans begin to lose their coverage because of Obamacare. We've only hit the tip of the iceberg in the destruction this law will do to Americans and their pocket books. This author is basically a speach writer for Obama. What ever happened to an honest reporter, looking for the truth? Sad, but this type of article is why the media loses so much respect with anyone with an ounce of knowledge.
And oh year, the Republicans have TWO alternative bills in the house. So the entire premise of the article is based on a foundation of lies, or being uninformed. Repubs do have an alternative ready to replace this debacle.

There's a typo in your copy-paste.


Oh year.  More lib propeganda.
 
2013-12-04 02:02:43 PM

Rapmaster2000: Just wait until next year when over 100 million Americans begin to lose their coverage because of Obamacare


Sigh.

Do you realize how disengenuous it is to say people are "losing their coverage"?  Putting aside the 100 million Americans allegation, the people that are 'losing their coverage' are losing sh*t plans that don't comply with the law's requirements for insurance that is actually quality coverage.  Moreover, many of these cancelled plans are being cancelled not because of the ACA, but because insurance companies are pulling shenanigans and blaming it on the law.

Oh, and even for the people whose plans were cancelled...they can buy quality coverage on the exchanges for competetive prices.  People who complain about the cancelled plans act like all these people are now going to be uninsured.  You know...like the millions of people who were actually uninsured prior to the ACA.
 
2013-12-04 02:02:46 PM

Rapmaster2000: What Liberal Hack wrote this propeganda piece? Obamacare getting better....that's like saying it was good for the titanic to take on more water. It gets worse by the day. Just wait until next year when over 100 million Americans begin to lose their coverage because of Obamacare. We've only hit the tip of the iceberg in the destruction this law will do to Americans and their pocket books. This author is basically a speach writer for Obama. What ever happened to an honest reporter, looking for the truth? Sad, but this type of article is why the media loses so much respect with anyone with an ounce of knowledge.
And oh year, the Republicans have TWO alternative bills in the house. So the entire premise of the article is based on a foundation of lies, or being uninformed. Repubs do have an alternative ready to replace this debacle.


You're no Pocket Ninja sir.
 
2013-12-04 02:07:41 PM
Republican solution to health care:

Tort reform and allowing people to buy insurance over state lines.

Do that, and not a single person will ever be denied care because of a preexisting condition.
 
2013-12-04 02:07:57 PM
Too bad all these derping tards mothers didn't have Plan B.  Things might be better.
 
2013-12-04 02:08:18 PM

Obama's Reptiloid Master: Rapmaster2000: I was at the barber shop yesterday along with a father and his two young sons (around 5 and 7 I would guess). As I was getting clipped, the father asks his younger sone "What are we; Democrates or Republicans". The 7 year old piped up "Republicans". The crowd thought that was pretty funny. But when the father ask "What do we think about Obama?" The crowd exploded in laughter when he said in his clear young voice "He takes our money and gives it to the lazy". I have large gap in my hair as a memento from laughing so hard.

You mammal creatures indoctrinate your young at your fur grooming houses? Have you no egg creches?


Primitives.
 
2013-12-04 02:10:41 PM
I do not understand this whole process. So here is what I thought the theory was...
Basically the theory like...
50% of the people do not have insurance. The 50% that do pay 100% of the medical bills. So now require the half that do not have insurance to carrier insurance. So in theory insurance rates should drop 50%. That I understand. 50% was only a number, the point is premiums should drop by the percentage of those without insurance weather it be 50% 10% or something in between. So than why are premiums going up?
In the world there are theories and realities and the reality is this whole thing is not following any of the theories
 
2013-12-04 02:12:46 PM

Rapmaster2000: So than why are premiums going up?


The short answer is because we don't have a public option or single-payer.  But that's probably not the answer you're looking for, I bet.
 
2013-12-04 02:13:12 PM
I love how the article starts from the axiom that the only thing standing between Obamacare and general delight over the law is time. It's a crap law. In 12 months, it will still be a crap law. While there are some popular provisions in it, it doesn't change the fact that there are thousands of pages of bullshiat in there with those few good ideas, and it is not going to change the fact that insurance rates are going to continue to rise.
 
2013-12-04 02:13:33 PM

thornhill: Republican solution to health care:


1) Don't get sick
2) If you do get sick, die quickly
3) [Insurance company] profit!
 
2013-12-04 02:13:37 PM

Rapmaster2000: I do not understand this whole process. So here is what I thought the theory was...
Basically the theory like...
50% of the people do not have insurance. The 50% that do pay 100% of the medical bills. So now require the half that do not have insurance to carrier insurance. So in theory insurance rates should drop 50%. That I understand. 50% was only a number, the point is premiums should drop by the percentage of those without insurance weather it be 50% 10% or something in between. So than why are premiums going up?
In the world there are theories and realities and the reality is this whole thing is not following any of the theories


Dude, I... there's so much wrong with your comprehension of this bill here that I'm not even really sure where to begin.
 
2013-12-04 02:14:43 PM

Rapmaster2000: I do not understand this whole process. So here is what I thought the theory was...
Basically the theory like...
50% of the people do not have insurance. The 50% that do pay 100% of the medical bills. So now require the half that do not have insurance to carrier insurance. So in theory insurance rates should drop 50%. That I understand. 50% was only a number, the point is premiums should drop by the percentage of those without insurance weather it be 50% 10% or something in between. So than why are premiums going up?
In the world there are theories and realities and the reality is this whole thing is not following any of the theories


Premiums are going up, in good part, because what you had before wasn't really insurance... like when I got dx'd with MS, my insurance company dropped me within 90 days... now, they can't do that any more, they have to actually insure you... and that costs some money.
 
2013-12-04 02:16:14 PM
Sweet, merciful crap -- those comments.

I can never figure out whether YouTube commenters or Yahoo! commenters are stupider.
 
2013-12-04 02:16:31 PM

EWreckedSean: I love how the article starts from the axiom that the only thing standing between Obamacare and general delight over the law is time. It's a crap law. In 12 months, it will still be a crap law. While there are some popular provisions in it, it doesn't change the fact that there are thousands of pages of bullshiat in there with those few good ideas, and it is not going to change the fact that insurance rates are going to continue to rise.


Amateur.
 
2013-12-04 02:17:43 PM

thornhill: Republican solution to health care:

Tort reform and allowing people to buy insurance over state lines.

Do that, and not a single person will ever be denied care because of a preexisting condition.


Government never gets anything right. You trust them to reform the torts?
 
2013-12-04 02:18:54 PM

Fart_Machine: Rapmaster2000: What Liberal Hack wrote this propeganda piece? Obamacare getting better....that's like saying it was good for the titanic to take on more water. It gets worse by the day. Just wait until next year when over 100 million Americans begin to lose their coverage because of Obamacare. We've only hit the tip of the iceberg in the destruction this law will do to Americans and their pocket books. This author is basically a speach writer for Obama. What ever happened to an honest reporter, looking for the truth? Sad, but this type of article is why the media loses so much respect with anyone with an ounce of knowledge.
And oh year, the Republicans have TWO alternative bills in the house. So the entire premise of the article is based on a foundation of lies, or being uninformed. Repubs do have an alternative ready to replace this debacle.

You're no Pocket Ninja sir.


It was still pretty good in a straight man style ala Leslie Nielson.
 
2013-12-04 02:20:13 PM

Rapmaster2000: And oh year, the Republicans have TWO alternative bills in the house. So the entire premise of the article is based on a foundation of lies, or being uninformed. Repubs do have an alternative ready to replace this debacle.


Which of those two bills has enough votes to pass the House?
 
2013-12-04 02:20:56 PM

EWreckedSean: I love how the article starts from the axiom that the only thing standing between Obamacare and general delight over the law is time. It's a crap law. In 12 months, it will still be a crap law. While there are some popular provisions in it, it doesn't change the fact that there are thousands of pages of bullshiat in there with those few good ideas, and it is not going to change the fact that insurance rates are going to continue to rise.


In all fairness though, everyone said that healthcare costs would continue to skyrocket... but the data on health spending over the the last 30 years shows the rate of increase has dramatically slowed over the last few years. I don't think there will ever be general delight... there are some who are still angry about the existence of medicaid, medicare, social security, and foodstamps... there are malcontents who would like nothing more than to see millions of Americans needlessly suffering and dying, even if they do work 60 hours a week at poverty wages. Even decades after Social Security got started, the party that was against it then is against it now, and tries at every turn to sabotage it, "borrow" from it, then use it's account standing to claim insolvency, and privatize it so they can make money for their friends instead of providing a real safety net to vulnerable elderly and disabled people.

Put differently, there will never be general delight with anything, because a full half of Americans simply hates the other half. It's no longer about political differences, legislative goals, ideology, or interpretation of the constitution... they simply hate the half of the country that doesn't think exactly like they do. Whatever that "other" side is for, half the country is reflexively against... even if it is an idea that half came up with.
 
2013-12-04 02:22:18 PM

Rapmaster2000: I have large gap in my hair as a memento from laughing so hard.


i'm sure nobody will notice it under your white hood.
 
2013-12-04 02:22:34 PM

Stile4aly: Rapmaster2000: And oh year, the Republicans have TWO alternative bills in the house. So the entire premise of the article is based on a foundation of lies, or being uninformed. Repubs do have an alternative ready to replace this debacle.

Which of those two bills has enough votes to pass the House?


Their alternatives aren't really alternatives, they just return tens of millions of people to the uninsured category, and demand they quit work, then go on welfare and medicaid if they want to live... because that's the conservative way.
 
2013-12-04 02:23:05 PM

EWreckedSean: While there are some popular provisions in it, it doesn't change the fact that there are thousands of pages of bullshiat in there with those few good ideas


Let's count the words.

Number of substantive words in H.R. 3962: 234,812 words
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix - 257,000 words

So it's shorter than a Harry Potter book. Not too bad, considering even most of those words reference other laws that are related to ACA.

, and it is not going to change the fact that insurance rates are going to continue to rise.

Without the law rates would have continued to rise as well. But if we can keep just the good stuff.

Let's keep not being rejected or dropped because of preexisting conditions. Result: Insurance rates skyrocket.
No lifetime caps? Result: Insurance rates skyrocket.
Keeping kids on their parents insurance until 26? Result: Insurance rates skyrocket.

How is any of that a good idea?
 
2013-12-04 02:27:04 PM

Rapmaster2000: EWreckedSean: I love how the article starts from the axiom that the only thing standing between Obamacare and general delight over the law is time. It's a crap law. In 12 months, it will still be a crap law. While there are some popular provisions in it, it doesn't change the fact that there are thousands of pages of bullshiat in there with those few good ideas, and it is not going to change the fact that insurance rates are going to continue to rise.

Amateur.


I like you.
 
2013-12-04 02:31:13 PM
Obamacare is mandating that I get a fauxhawk. But I don't want a fauxhawk.
 
2013-12-04 02:32:03 PM

Rapmaster2000: I was at the barber shop yesterday along with a father and his two young sons (around 5 and 7 I would guess). As I was getting clipped, the father asks his younger sone "What are we; Democrates or Republicans". The 7 year old piped up "Republicans". The crowd thought that was pretty funny. But when the father ask "What do we think about Obama?" The crowd exploded in laughter when he said in his clear young voice "He takes our money and gives it to the lazy". I have large gap in my hair as a memento from laughing so hard.


Oh please tell us the name of your barbershop.
 
2013-12-04 02:34:23 PM

EWreckedSean: insurance rates are going to continue to rise.


The exchanges provide for open competition among insurers.  That's the very definition of capitalism.  If premiums rise, it's not just because of the law.
 
2013-12-04 02:34:40 PM
It's a lose-lose situation for the repubs. Unless the ACA is a total disaster--and they're doing everything in their power to make it so--by November of next year as much as a quarter of the electorate will be directly beholden to the Democratic Party, including a large percentage of the repub base. It's a recipe for electoral disaster on a massive scale, completely self-inflicted, and the repub leadership is crapping its pants just thinking about it. They have two choices--accept permanent minority party status for the foreseeable future or a well-timed distraction. Impeaching Clinton didn't result in any immediate benefit for the repubs but it did cast enough doubt on the Democrats that Bush was able to squeak out a win against Gore despite eight years of booming economic growth. The charges almost don't matter--if the House impeaches, the Senate has no choice but to go to trial. Timing is everything, however. Given that the Democrats will be justifiably howling over this transparently political move, the trial needs to have been over long enough for people to have forgotten how unjustified it was--and that the Senate failed to convict--but remember that it happened. Given the utter tone deafness of everything the repubs do these days (cut Social Security to fund the military? really?), I expect this to backfire in their collective face too.

There is a very real possibility of no repub Party in ten years. May you live in interesting times.
 
2013-12-04 02:38:32 PM
Short term thinking is pretty much their MO at this point. Energize and support the tea party for a midterm election, they end up locking you out of the house and stealing your silverware. Admit demographic shifts are marginalizing the party, insult women and minorities. Dedicate an entire congressional year towards repealing something that will never be repealed, get caught holding your dick.

It is somewhat poetic that the party who champions business leaders in government use those same short term quarterly profits over long term sustainability when they get elected, and they're just as successful.
 
2013-12-04 02:41:04 PM

EWreckedSean:  and it is not going to change the fact that insurance rates are going to continue to rise.


So, you seriously back that when the ACA went into effect, that insurance rates were not going to continue to rise? Like they have done virtually every renewal year since the inception of private insurance?

Really?  That's what you're going with?

Protip:  Insurance rate go up regularly, whether or not you like it or agree with it.  The ACA now lets that money you pay out PAY FOR INSURANCE that will actually, you know, pay for some care when you are sick, rather than just take your money and fark you up the ass when you're passed out on the steps of the ER.

No, I don't know why I bothered, I know he's a thread shiatter/really poor quality troll.
 
2013-12-04 02:50:57 PM

Rapmaster2000: I was at the barber shop yesterday along with a father and his two young sons (around 5 and 7 I would guess). As I was getting clipped, the father asks his younger sone "What are we; Democrates or Republicans". The 7 year old piped up "Republicans". The crowd thought that was pretty funny. But when the father ask "What do we think about Obama?" The crowd exploded in laughter when he said in his clear young voice "He takes our money and gives it to the lazy". I have large gap in my hair as a memento from laughing so hard.


Congratulations on your almost 10 years of trolling on fark, my friend. I hope you have a cake to celebrate.
 
2013-12-04 02:51:34 PM

Rapmaster2000: I do not understand this whole process. So here is what I thought the theory was...
Basically the theory like...
50% of the people do not have insurance. The 50% that do pay 100% of the medical bills. So now require the half that do not have insurance to carrier insurance. So in theory insurance rates should drop 50%. That I understand. 50% was only a number, the point is premiums should drop by the percentage of those without insurance weather it be 50% 10% or something in between. So than why are premiums going up?
In the world there are theories and realities and the reality is this whole thing is not following any of the theories


Aside from the total non-comprehension of the whole insurance industry as evidenced by your theory, I'll give you a bit of an answer on one point:

"So than why are my premiums going up?"

Everyone's premiums go up.  If you thinking that they'll ever go down without a bit of research and vigilance on your part, regardless of the ACA or other method, you're living in a fantasy world.  In other words, it's called aging.
 
2013-12-04 02:57:22 PM
I'm a Republican.  This is the one thing that bothers me most about my own party: we've become breathtakingly cynical.

Republican leaders are betting heavily that their total opposition to Obamacare - the GOP's defining issue for 2009-2014 - can be swept under the rug if/when it proves popular.  They're betting that voters are too forgetful to hold that against the GOP.

Even if that proposition is correct, it's so poisonously distrustful that being incorrect would be better.  Who wants to live in a country full of people you don't like, trust, or respect?  That's no way to live, much less govern.

The GOP should say to voters: we're against Obamacare.  Here's why.  There are trade-offs.  Insuring everyone is desirable, but it comes at a cost that may not be justified.  Expanding Medicaid is likely to have adverse consequences.  Squeezing provider payments will restrict access.    Bearing in mind these trade-offs, here is our alternative plan that will do a better job of providing health care to people at affordable prices.  This is too important to screw up, so we'll gladly receive criticism from non-partisan experts, and use that input to make our plan better.

And they should work hard at that, revising their plan continuously in light of new data and technology.  There are many parts of Obamacare to admire, and Republicans should incorporate them.  Opposition without a better alternative is just cynical opportunism.  It's unfit for governance.
 
2013-12-04 02:58:20 PM
Plan C - Take credit.

I know I'm not the first to say it, but I have a strong feeling it will happen in the next 5-10 years.
 
2013-12-04 02:58:27 PM

Rapmaster2000: I was at the barber shop yesterday along with a father and his two young sons (around 5 and 7 I would guess). As I was getting clipped, the father asks his younger sone "What are we; Democrates or Republicans". The 7 year old piped up "Republicans". The crowd thought that was pretty funny. But when the father ask "What do we think about Obama?" The crowd exploded in laughter when he said in his clear young voice "He takes our money and gives it to the lazy". I have large gap in my hair as a memento from laughing so hard.


I just love how people train their kids to spew their own beliefs and then brag about how "smart" the kids are, followed by the inevitable comments from others that the kids have been raised "right."

Any kid with opinions like this has no idea what he's talking about.  Until they become teenagers, they're basically parrots.
 
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