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(CNN)   Harry Reid (D-uplicitous ) exempts his staffers from the plan that he helped design, force on you and unwaveringly supports   (cnn.com) divider line 87
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2013-12-04 12:05:34 PM
Me and unwaveringly supports? I don't know anybody named unwaveringly supports. What an odd name. Should probably be capitalized too, subby.
 
2013-12-04 12:05:43 PM
So they have employer provided insurance and are choosing to keep it?

Shut your cockhole, you whiney submitter.
 
2013-12-04 12:12:00 PM
His staffers have employer provider health insurance, just like me. However, if they lose their job, now they can get health insurance without an employer.

Subby, are you stupid or a liar?
 
2013-12-04 12:13:24 PM

what_now: His staffers have employer provider health insurance, just like me. However, if they lose their job, now they can get health insurance without an employer.

Subby, are you stupid or a liar?


I'm guessing, "yes"...
 
2013-12-04 12:13:37 PM

what_now: Subby, are you stupid or a liar?


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2013-12-04 12:14:21 PM
Oh, FFS.
 
2013-12-04 12:15:13 PM

what_now: His staffers have employer provider health insurance, just like me. However, if they lose their job, now they can get health insurance without an employer.

Subby, are you stupid or a liar?


Apparently the "big deal" here is that some other politicians have yanked their staffer's Federal insurance in order to leave them the only option of using the ACA plans.  I don't know why they would do that, but that's why they're pointing fingers at Reid, because he's not.
 
2013-12-04 12:16:59 PM

timujin: what_now: His staffers have employer provider health insurance, just like me. However, if they lose their job, now they can get health insurance without an employer.

Subby, are you stupid or a liar?

Apparently the "big deal" here is that some other politicians have yanked their staffer's Federal insurance in order to leave them the only option of using the ACA plans.  I don't know why they would do that, but that's why they're pointing fingers at Reid, because he's not.


I didn't realize they had that kind if autonomy.

Also, I thought the staffers were required to use the exchanges.

Did I miss something?
 
2013-12-04 12:17:13 PM

timujin: what_now: His staffers have employer provider health insurance, just like me. However, if they lose their job, now they can get health insurance without an employer.

Subby, are you stupid or a liar?

Apparently the "big deal" here is that some other politicians have yanked their staffer's Federal insurance in order to leave them the only option of using the ACA plans.  I don't know why they would do that, but that's why they're pointing fingers at Reid, because he's not.


Well that's stupid.
 
2013-12-04 12:17:13 PM
The language that exempts leadership and committee staffers is from 2009, when Tom Coburn's amendment got merged with the Grassley amendment.  Personal staffers are not exempt.

http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/coburn-226.pdf
 
2013-12-04 12:19:02 PM
Not sure how this is contradictory to the "you can keep your plan if you wish" point.
 
2013-12-04 12:19:25 PM
These assholes should lead by example and be the first to sign up for Fartbongocare.   They're all old enough to be death paneled on their first visit.
 
2013-12-04 12:19:59 PM
Force on me?  How?

I am "exempt" from the exchanges in exactly the same way that Reid's staffers are - because I already have employer-sponsored health insurance.
 
2013-12-04 12:20:53 PM

BMFPitt: timujin: what_now: His staffers have employer provider health insurance, just like me. However, if they lose their job, now they can get health insurance without an employer.

Subby, are you stupid or a liar?

Apparently the "big deal" here is that some other politicians have yanked their staffer's Federal insurance in order to leave them the only option of using the ACA plans.  I don't know why they would do that, but that's why they're pointing fingers at Reid, because he's not.

I didn't realize they had that kind if autonomy.

Also, I thought the staffers were required to use the exchanges.

Did I miss something?


The office staff is required to use the exchange. Committee-level staffers are optional.
 
2013-12-04 12:21:46 PM
Naked partisan attacks don't really work when they are as insufferably boring as this.
 
2013-12-04 12:23:10 PM

timujin: what_now: His staffers have employer provider health insurance, just like me. However, if they lose their job, now they can get health insurance without an employer.

Subby, are you stupid or a liar?

Apparently the "big deal" here is that some other politicians have yanked their staffer's Federal insurance in order to leave them the only option of using the ACA plans.  I don't know why they would do that, but that's why they're pointing fingers at Reid, because he's not.


From my reading all direct staffers even Reids are being forced into the exchange. Reid is excepting committee staffers, these are people who don't report to a specific congressmen they report to the RNC.
 
2013-12-04 12:24:07 PM

God's Hubris: Not sure how this is contradictory to the "you can keep your plan if you wish" point.


B-but - I though that if my insurance company decided to cancel me, the President promised to send the National Guard to their offices and arrest the board of directors and MAKE them give me that policy I want so much!
OBAMA LIIIIEEEEDD TO MEEE!!!

Oh. no - wait - I'm just retarded.
 
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2013-12-04 12:24:11 PM
www.thelicenseplatesite.com
 
2013-12-04 12:24:54 PM
They're not required to be impacted differently by the law than everyone else! That means they are being exempted from the law!

Up is down! Black is white! Dairy-free is Cottage Cheese!
 
2013-12-04 12:25:19 PM

jso2897: God's Hubris: Not sure how this is contradictory to the "you can keep your plan if you wish" point.

B-but - I though that if my insurance company decided to cancel me, the President promised to send the National Guard to their offices and arrest the board of directors and MAKE them give me that policy I want so much!
OBAMA LIIIIEEEEDD TO MEEE!!!

Oh. no - wait - I'm just retarded.



The first step is admission.
 
2013-12-04 12:25:36 PM
GOOD LORD, the comments.
 
2013-12-04 12:26:32 PM

Pocket Ninja: Me and unwaveringly supports? I don't know anybody named unwaveringly supports. What an odd name. Should probably be capitalized too, subby.


Maybe he's a poet, like e. e. cummings.

/pity this busy monster, medicare-lite,
not. Progress is a comfortable disease:
your victim (death-panels and all)...
 
2013-12-04 12:26:43 PM
I have private insurance i purchased before the establishment of the exchanges. But I never signed up for Obamacare. Did I just blow some minds here or what?
 
2013-12-04 12:26:48 PM
The comment section at CNN is, um... something.
 
2013-12-04 12:27:04 PM
What the hell is this derpishness? Nobody is *forced* to buy insurance through the exchanges. You can deal direct with the insurance companies if you think you can get a better deal, or get insurance through your employer.
 
2013-12-04 12:29:03 PM
From now on, whenever somebody says "liberal media", I'm going to point at this steaming pile of shiat.
 
2013-12-04 12:30:38 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-04 12:31:34 PM
Here's a pretty detailed accounting of the series of events that led to this being in the bill and how this exact thing would happen. . .from 4 years ago.  Good reporting as usual, CNN.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/mar/26/tom-c ob urn/health-bill-appears-exempt-some-congressional-staf/
 
2013-12-04 12:31:36 PM

QuesoDelicioso: What the hell is this derpishness? Nobody is *forced* to buy insurance through the exchanges.


actually congress and some of their staffers are
 
2013-12-04 12:32:42 PM

Wendy's Chili: From now on, whenever somebody says "liberal media", I'm going to point at this steaming pile of shiat.


You realizes that it stops steaming pretty quickly,  and then you are pointing at a cold cow pie. "Why is he pointing at that fine fertilizer?" people will ask.
 
2013-12-04 12:33:48 PM
I think you have some tense problems subby.
 
2013-12-04 12:33:59 PM

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Leaves hang from tree limbs

they do not rest on the grass

Thanks, Fartbongocare!

 
2013-12-04 12:35:09 PM
Washington (CNN) -- Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, one of Obamacare's architects and staunchest supporters, is also the only top congressional leader to exempt some of his staff from having to buy insurance through the law's new exchanges.

If it's not a big deal, why didn't they all do it?
 
2013-12-04 12:35:29 PM
In other news: Every Republican (and some Democrats) in Congress deny every single American their healthcare, calling it bad for America.
 
2013-12-04 12:37:41 PM

Jackson Herring: QuesoDelicioso: What the hell is this derpishness? Nobody is *forced* to buy insurance through the exchanges.

actually congress and some of their staffers are


Please elaborate. Who is explicitly mandated to purchase only from the exchanges?
 
2013-12-04 12:38:59 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Washington (CNN) -- Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, one of Obamacare's architects and staunchest supporters, is also the only top congressional leader to exempt some of his staff from having to buy insurance through the law's new exchanges.

If it's not a big deal, why didn't they all do it?


Chuck Grassley, the guy who wrote the amendment to put Congressional staffers on the exchanges, is also exempting his committee staff.  Thanks, Obama.
 
2013-12-04 12:39:25 PM

what_now: His staffers have employer provider health insurance, just like me. However, if they lose their job, now they can get health insurance without an employer.

Subby, are you stupid or a liar?


Well, nothing in subby's headline is entirely incorrect, so liar is out.  And while trollish, the headline is not inherently stupid since it is technically true.  You're going to have to give him a third option. The two you offered are invalid.

His staffers are effectively exempt from the intended impacts of the law (getting uninsured people insured) for the very reasons you mentioned even though they are protected by it in the future should their employment status change.
I think he helped design it, or at least he was instrumental in getting it passed.
This law just like every single other law ever implemented in the history of ever is by its nature forced upon people.
And Harry Reid does appear to unwaveringly support the ACA.

the headline makes those four claims, and all four are accurate although intentionally misleading. and none of these things really reflect badly on Senator Reid.

I would also have to add, that the headline appears to be written in a way to intentionally infuriate some people, and it seems to have worked in your case.  So in a trollish sense, it was a clever headline.  Since you were prompted into an immediate personal attack on the writer.
 
2013-12-04 12:39:47 PM
www.balloon-juice.com
 
2013-12-04 12:40:07 PM
Reid and his personal staff will buy insurance through the exchange.

But it's also true that the law lets lawmakers decide if their committee and leadership staffers hold on to their federal employee insurance plans, an option Reid has exercised.

What?
 
2013-12-04 12:41:19 PM

QuesoDelicioso: Please elaborate. Who is explicitly mandated to purchase only from the exchanges?


members of congress and some of their high level staffers


what is complicated about that
 
2013-12-04 12:43:05 PM

QuesoDelicioso: Please elaborate. Who is explicitly mandated to purchase only from the exchanges?


(D) MEMBERS OF CONGRESS IN THE EXCHANGE-
(i) REQUIREMENT- Notwithstanding any other provision of law, after the effective date of this subtitle, the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are--
(ii) DEFINITIONS- In this section:
(I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or
(II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act).
(I) MEMBER OF CONGRESS- The term 'Member of Congress' means any member of the House of Representatives or the Senate.
(II) CONGRESSIONAL STAFF- The term 'congressional staff' means all full-time and part-time employees employed by the official office of a Member of Congress, whether in Washington, DC or outside of Washington, DC.
 
2013-12-04 12:46:48 PM

PanicMan: Reid and his personal staff will buy insurance through the exchange.

But it's also true that the law lets lawmakers decide if their committee and leadership staffers hold on to their federal employee insurance plans, an option Reid has exercised.

What?


Personal staff work for an individual member of Congress.  Leadership staff work for a position (i.e. Senate Majority Leader).  Committee staff works for a committee (i.e. Senate Finance Committee).
 
2013-12-04 12:51:24 PM
As I recall, some GOP lawmaker said "Herp, let's force congressional staffers into Obummercare, derp!" and the Democrats said, "That's a grand idea! They already get insurance through their employer anyway." And the lawmaker said, "Hey, that isn't what I meant! Why are you exempting them?"

I'm trying to find out who it was, but I am only finding articles about Grassley forcing members of Congress into the ACA, not their staffers. Maybe it was the same amendment.
 
2013-12-04 12:53:07 PM

cousin-merle: QuesoDelicioso: Please elaborate. Who is explicitly mandated to purchase only from the exchanges?

(D) MEMBERS OF CONGRESS IN THE EXCHANGE-
(i) REQUIREMENT- Notwithstanding any other provision of law, after the effective date of this subtitle, the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are--
(ii) DEFINITIONS- In this section:
(I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or
(II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act).
(I) MEMBER OF CONGRESS- The term 'Member of Congress' means any member of the House of Representatives or the Senate.
(II) CONGRESSIONAL STAFF- The term 'congressional staff' means all full-time and part-time employees employed by the official office of a Member of Congress, whether in Washington, DC or outside of Washington, DC.


So not rank-and-file citizens. That puts the lie to the Republican attacks quoted in the article, not to mention Subby's "forced on you" bullshiat.
 
2013-12-04 12:54:46 PM
There is nothing in the law that requires you (or anyone) to buy your insurance through the exchanges...I currently have insurance through my employer...I do not have to go to an exchange and do anything...Neither do the staffers that work for Harry Reid that already have healthcare insurance...subby get a grip!!!
 
2013-12-04 12:55:50 PM
This doesn't mean anything.  This means less than anything.  "Exempt from the exchanges" isn't a thing.

CNN's worse than Fox News.  Fox at least comes right out with its bias (I know, I know, fair and balanced.  But still.)  CNN tries to turn any possible issue into "Democrats say this!  Republicans say that!  Who is right?"

Questions aren't news.
 
2013-12-04 12:58:50 PM

Biff_Steel: GOOD LORD, the comments.


Holy shiat, no kidding. The guy advocating a constitutional amendment banning Democrats from public office is a special kind of stupid.
 
2013-12-04 01:08:49 PM

Tricky Chicken: Well, nothing in subby's headline is entirely incorrect, so liar is out.


1) The implication that Reid is duplicitous in his actions here is incorrect.
2) The assertion that the exchanges are "forced" on anyone is also incorrect.

So liar is in.
 
2013-12-04 01:10:53 PM

apoptotic: Biff_Steel: GOOD LORD, the comments.

Holy shiat, no kidding. The guy advocating a constitutional amendment banning Democrats from public office is a special kind of stupid.


I didn't look at the comments.  but I saw a 'proposed' set of new amendments the other day that were precious.

one mandated that you retain 80% of your income after all taxes (state, federal, municipal, you name it. and that the federal budget must be balanced, and with this tax structure, he mandated that all the federal debit be paid off in 10 years, it went down from there.

the other mandated that no politician can get paid more than 110% of the average income for residents of their district, and they must pay for their own expenses out of pocket for things like travel, staff, healthcare, etc. and that no politician may ever serve more than two terms and none of them can eran a pension for their service.

good stuff
 
2013-12-04 01:16:34 PM

Tricky Chicken: apoptotic: Biff_Steel: GOOD LORD, the comments.

Holy shiat, no kidding. The guy advocating a constitutional amendment banning Democrats from public office is a special kind of stupid.

I didn't look at the comments.  but I saw a 'proposed' set of new amendments the other day that were precious.

one mandated that you retain 80% of your income after all taxes (state, federal, municipal, you name it. and that the federal budget must be balanced, and with this tax structure, he mandated that all the federal debit be paid off in 10 years, it went down from there.

the other mandated that no politician can get paid more than 110% of the average income for residents of their district, and they must pay for their own expenses out of pocket for things like travel, staff, healthcare, etc. and that no politician may ever serve more than two terms and none of them can eran a pension for their service.

good stuff


It's things like this that make me happy I finally put a scriptblocker on.  The comments don't even load....and I'm grateful for that, because like any train wreck, if they're there, I'll read them; I have no self control over it.  So I removed the temptation from my screen.
 
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