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(Vice)   For first time, citizens of Colorado are now shooting themselves faster than they are dying in car wrecks   (vice.com) divider line 49
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2013-12-04 12:44:53 PM
Whatever gets the job done.
 
2013-12-04 12:45:09 PM
Must be democrats getting recalled....
 
2013-12-04 12:45:47 PM
hooray, gun thread

can't wait to hear about scary black plastic bits and shooting coyotes
 
2013-12-04 12:46:21 PM
And?
 
2013-12-04 12:47:17 PM
it's due to the legal mary-juan-a
 
2013-12-04 12:48:04 PM

Grapple: it's due to the legal mary-juan-a


Reefer madness gone crazy.  I tell you, liberals on drugs shouldn't have guns.
 
2013-12-04 12:48:09 PM
Was it painless?
 
2013-12-04 12:48:16 PM
Altitude, huh? That's a new one.
 
2013-12-04 12:49:11 PM
Better than shooting up High Schools.......Too soon?
 
2013-12-04 12:50:48 PM

Grapple: it's due to the legal mary-juan-a


I heard mary jane makes you mellow.  Maybe we should require all the gun owners to smoke weed.
 
2013-12-04 12:51:19 PM
The altitude is probably one of the last things I'd think of. Weird.
 
2013-12-04 12:51:53 PM

captmingus: Better than shooting up High Schools.......Too soon?


Nah.  Now if you said movie theaters....
 
2013-12-04 12:52:11 PM
I read an article some years ago about the increased risk of suicide of those living on the western slopes in Colorado. They pointed to geographical clues, but they were less concerned with altitude and looking more at the sheer remoteness of the area.
 
2013-12-04 12:53:43 PM

Facetious_Speciest: The altitude is probably one of the last things I'd think of. Weird.


Even weirder that there is some logic that seems like it could have merit.
 
2013-12-04 12:55:13 PM
Hunter S. Thompson: Trendsetter.
 
2013-12-04 12:56:05 PM
And all violence drops to near nil after January 1st.
 
2013-12-04 12:56:40 PM
Article was way more interesting than the headline made it out to be.
 
2013-12-04 12:58:09 PM

Good Behavior Day: captmingus: Better than shooting up High Schools.......Too soon?

Nah.  Now if you said movie theaters....


Or College Campus..
http://www.courant.com/community/west-haven/hc-west-haven-gunman-rep or t-1204-20131203,0,3192638.story   ( 12/3/13)
 
2013-12-04 12:58:15 PM
Someone somewhere in CO is listening to John Denver's 'Rocky Mountain High' surrounded by mountain flowers with a gun in their mouth.
 
2013-12-04 12:58:29 PM
I was perturbed by the "cool" tag, but that actually is a pretty cool article.
 
2013-12-04 01:00:22 PM
inner ted: hooray, Responsible gun Owner thread

FTFY
 
2013-12-04 01:05:35 PM
American Journal of Psychiatry called "Altitude, Gun Ownership, Rural Areas, Twinkies, Internet Porn, Ford F150 Pickup Trucks, Cheeze Whiz, Doritos and Suicide."

Sorry. Couldn't Resist.

/correlation, causality, etc.
 
2013-12-04 01:09:47 PM

MassAsster: Good Behavior Day: captmingus: Better than shooting up High Schools.......Too soon?

Nah.  Now if you said movie theaters....

Or College Campus..
http://www.courant.com/community/west-haven/hc-west-haven-gunman-rep or t-1204-20131203,0,3192638.story   ( 12/3/13)


Except that's not in Colorado.  Good try though.
 
2013-12-04 01:15:49 PM
Isn't it time we banned living above 5000 ft? You know, for the children.
 
2013-12-04 01:19:18 PM
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2013-12-04 01:21:22 PM
Altitude also may have something to do with MS. Altitude does weird stuff.

Though the author probably ought to control for urban vs. rural. The economy is better in the cities/burbs and there are more mental health resources than in the mostly empty, methy counties.
 
2013-12-04 01:25:02 PM
Guns don't kill people.

It's a combination of somebody pulling the trigger, the bullet in the gun and now apparently the altitude.
 
2013-12-04 02:08:18 PM
Hunter S Thompson killed himself because at the end he was eating yogurt & fruit because he couldn't handle anything else. His health was failing.
 
2013-12-04 02:09:30 PM
Except that Hunter S. Thompson didn't kill himself.  The panicked phone call he made to a friend about being a marked man will tell you that.
 
2013-12-04 02:22:55 PM
My folks moved to Fort Collins from Aurora when I was in the eighth grade, a couple of decades ago.  My first year there, I lost three friends to suicide.  The next, two more to suicide, and two to drug overdose.  By the time I graduated high school I'd lost five friends to overdose, three to car wrecks, one to murder, and over a dozen to suicide.  Even tried it myself a few times, I suppose...I obviously wasn't that good at it.  That was twenty years ago.  My FortFriends keep on dying, though.  Just got word a couple of weeks ago that one of my closest friends up there did it as well.  She was a pretty amazing lady.

Save your condolences- you just kind of get used to it happening after a while.
 
2013-12-04 02:36:08 PM

radarlove: My folks moved to Fort Collins from Aurora when I was in the eighth grade, a couple of decades ago.  My first year there, I lost three friends to suicide.  The next, two more to suicide, and two to drug overdose.  By the time I graduated high school I'd lost five friends to overdose, three to car wrecks, one to murder, and over a dozen to suicide.  Even tried it myself a few times, I suppose...I obviously wasn't that good at it.  That was twenty years ago.  My FortFriends keep on dying, though.  Just got word a couple of weeks ago that one of my closest friends up there did it as well.  She was a pretty amazing lady.

Save your condolences- you just kind of get used to it happening after a while.


I don't think you need to worry about getting condolences, wow. Better duck.
 
2013-12-04 02:55:42 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: radarlove: My folks moved to Fort Collins from Aurora when I was in the eighth grade, a couple of decades ago.  My first year there, I lost three friends to suicide.  The next, two more to suicide, and two to drug overdose.  By the time I graduated high school I'd lost five friends to overdose, three to car wrecks, one to murder, and over a dozen to suicide.  Even tried it myself a few times, I suppose...I obviously wasn't that good at it.  That was twenty years ago.  My FortFriends keep on dying, though.  Just got word a couple of weeks ago that one of my closest friends up there did it as well.  She was a pretty amazing lady.

Save your condolences- you just kind of get used to it happening after a while.

I don't think you need to worry about getting condolences, wow. Better duck.


Think I should beat them all to the "maybe it's you" comment?

Because I went there and came back a lonnnnnnnng time ago.  As it turns out, people make their own decisions regarding their lives, and it would be narcissistic for me to think that I have any influence on that matter.  I have talked a handful of friends through some dark times, but really in cases of suicidal thinking  I've discovered that to be about the best  any layman can do.

They'll tell you the proper course of action is to call the cops, but we found out early in Fort Collins that that usually isn't the best idea.  Even just going to a mental health counselor in FtC and saying that you're severely depressed but are not an imminent threat to yourself and others is a good way to get yourself arrested and locked up in a very expensive inpatient treatment facility for a week.
 
2013-12-04 03:22:01 PM
too bad those stats then end up in pro gun ban stats. Just use pills and booze or CO or Nitrogen like a responsible person.
 
2013-12-04 03:24:32 PM

radarlove: They'll tell you the proper course of action is to call the cops, but we found out early in Fort Collins that that usually isn't the best idea.  Even just going to a mental health counselor in FtC and saying that you're severely depressed but are not an imminent threat to yourself and others is a good way to get yourself arrested and locked up in a very expensive inpatient treatment facility for a week.


Ooof. That explains Holmes then.

/Cali is slightly better but not much. You tell them you're severely depressed and not a danger, they hand you a million pills that will stone your ass back to the Dark Ages, then kill you while you're asleep
//yes I know meds to great things for some people, but they do jack shiat when your problem is best treated with therapy
 
2013-12-04 03:36:16 PM

veryequiped: Except that Hunter S. Thompson didn't kill himself.  The panicked phone call he made to a friend about being a marked man will tell you that.


Wait what?

Also I read this article last night and it just seemed like an excuse to talk about Hunter S. Thompson which isn't a bad thing but meh whatever.
 
2013-12-04 03:37:58 PM
People who have mood disorders shouldn't live in high altitude areas, because hypoxia/metabolism/something-something whatever.

/what i got from the article
 
2013-12-04 03:50:52 PM
As a guy who who has worn out a lot of boots?

Speaking as a big ugly guy who is not going to be any mugger's first choice of targets, maybe guys just are willing to walk more?

The US absolutely sucks as far as walkable places. Both from an "somewhat safer enclosed in car" and a "short legs running across an on-ramp to get to the next safe place" standpoint, the US absolutely sucks for walking, extra so if you're female.

We have a great system for cars. We suck wind so far as walkers.
 
2013-12-04 04:31:04 PM

maxheck: As a guy who who has worn out a lot of boots?

Speaking as a big ugly guy who is not going to be any mugger's first choice of targets, maybe guys just are willing to walk more?

The US absolutely sucks as far as walkable places. Both from an "somewhat safer enclosed in car" and a "short legs running across an on-ramp to get to the next safe place" standpoint, the US absolutely sucks for walking, extra so if you're female.

We have a great system for cars. We suck wind so far as walkers.


Preach it.
 
2013-12-04 05:22:13 PM

netgamer7k: People who have mood disorders shouldn't live in high altitude areas, because hypoxia/metabolism/something-something whatever.

/what i got from the article


. . .

/actually is in the middle of experiencing an interesting remission of her PTSD, and it happened after spending 3 days at decent altitude (6800 ft) so while you're joking, that's actually ringing a bell in my life atm
 
2013-12-04 06:29:23 PM

Peki: radarlove: They'll tell you the proper course of action is to call the cops, but we found out early in Fort Collins that that usually isn't the best idea.  Even just going to a mental health counselor in FtC and saying that you're severely depressed but are not an imminent threat to yourself and others is a good way to get yourself arrested and locked up in a very expensive inpatient treatment facility for a week.

Ooof. That explains Holmes then.

/Cali is slightly better but not much. You tell them you're severely depressed and not a danger, they hand you a million pills that will stone your ass back to the Dark Ages, then kill you while you're asleep
//yes I know meds to great things for some people, but they do jack shiat when your problem is best treated with therapy


Interestingly, every time I've attempted suicide or committed some other form of self-harm, it's always when I've been adhering to a professional's pharmacological regimen.  The pills have always made my depression worse, every single time.

This makes me suspect that perhaps not all chronic melancholy is due to chemical imbalances.  It'd be neat to meet a mental health professional who is more inclined to get to the meat of a problem than write out a prescription for something that they aren't entirely sure how it will effect you.
 
2013-12-04 06:38:37 PM
Or hey, you know...and this is just a thought here, I have no idea as to its plausibility...but is there maybe a possibility that the mental health community in Colorado plays a little fast and loose with medications that aren't that well tested?

Because they've put me on over a dozen different ones at different times, from SSRIs to Trileptics and all sorts of shiat in-between.  Some of them were really harsh and others had unbelievable withdrawal symptoms, but all of them had the opposite intended effect.  How much Guinea-pigging goes on in mental healthcare?  And is it just us poors or does it happen with the middle class as well?
 
2013-12-04 06:55:32 PM

radarlove: This makes me suspect that perhaps not all chronic melancholy is due to chemical imbalances.  It'd be neat to meet a mental health professional who is more inclined to get to the meat of a problem than write out a prescription for something that they aren't entirely sure how it will effect you.


Agreed. I've finally gotten two therapists (one is your normal therapist psych type, the other does neurofeedback/brain training) who will agree to see me for my PTSD + two sleep disorders. I did have to go outside the normal healthcare, and the psych (not sure if he's an ologist or an iatrist) is VERY expensive but is willing to see me pro bono at least once because he's the therapist of a friend whose dogs I sit regularly.

I think I  do have something wrong chemically, because some of my symptoms are starting to return, but I've quit smoking pot as well because I'm not entirely sure that withdrawal isn't part of what's going on. However, the last time I stopped (for rehab when I got put on the meds, about a year ago and way before my mountain trip) I couldn't go more than a few hours without experiencing physical pain, unmanageable anxiety, and this very strange restlessness, almost like a nesting-type instinct or ADHD--makes sense if you realize PTSD is about feeling in danger,  all the time. I could only make 29 days before I finally cracked and threw the scrip pad at the doctors and left treatment, and that entire 29 days I either got no sleep whatsoever or only 4 hours--and the doctor was STILL trying to tell me that the weed was causing my problems, not helping me with them, when the meds she gave me were doing  nothing. I also had 4 substance abuse counselors tell me straight up "You don't have an addiction problem, you have a trauma problem." I don't have those same withdrawal issues now, and while I notice that I don't have any weed because of my habits (I like to smoke when I'm on the computer and right before bed), I'm not in the same frenzied state I was before when my fiance would literally have to tell me to sit down.

The chemical thing makes sense though, because PTSD is a corticosteroid response out of control (it's a constant fight-or-flight condition in the body). So if I got the mental thing fixed in the mountains, but I haven't altered the actual chemical response in my body, then yes, the PTSD symptoms will return. What I want to control for is whether or not the weed is causing the PTSD symptoms to persist through withdrawal.

/love being my own personal guinea pig, but sometimes it's the only way to figure out WHAT is actually wrong, when the doctors don't have a clue
 
2013-12-04 07:44:41 PM
"shooting yourself just pulled ahead"

/snort
 
2013-12-04 08:45:32 PM
It is a beautiful state to end it all in, i love it here.
 
2013-12-05 12:17:32 AM
It is a desert with denial. In the summer it goes months without rain. You're required to have a lawn but you're also not allowed to water it. Everywhere you look is ugly, unless you like looking at dead things. In the winter it gets down to -17F... like it will tonight (currently 10PM and -9F). Colorado is a stupid place to live.
 
2013-12-05 01:24:38 AM
1. This is  Psychiatry making shi*t up for the gun-control argument. Pay no attention to them.

2. There's no way Hunter Thompson shot himself. The Smith & Wesson model 645 had six unfired rounds in the magazine. One spent cartridge on the floor .. and the slide locked in place  without a round in the chamber.

That doesn't happen.
 
2013-12-05 02:05:29 AM

Clemkadidlefark: . There's no way Hunter Thompson shot himself. The Smith & Wesson model 645 had six unfired rounds in the magazine. One spent cartridge on the floor .. and the slide locked in place without a round in the chamber.

That doesn't happen.


Alright this is the second post I've seen about him not killing himself. Explain this shiat.
 
2013-12-05 12:16:29 PM
radarlove:
This makes me suspect that perhaps not all chronic melancholy is due to chemical imbalances.  It'd be neat to meet a mental health professional who is more inclined to get to the meat of a problem than write out a prescription for something that they aren't entirely sure how it will effect you.

There are 2 books I recommend you read, "Mad in America" and "Anatomy of an Epidemic" and start reading the website http://www.madinamerica.com/
 
2013-12-05 01:37:35 PM

Mr. Ekshun: It is a desert with denial. In the summer it goes months without rain. You're required to have a lawn but you're also not allowed to water it. Everywhere you look is ugly, unless you like looking at dead things. In the winter it gets down to -17F... like it will tonight (currently 10PM and -9F). Colorado is a stupid place to live.


Seriously, this place is a hell hole.  I can't wait to move to Kansas at the end of the year. Stay away from Colorado!
 
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