nmrsnr: Just to note, website aside, things the ACA has already done that people will not willingly let go of:1. No more preexisting condition exclusion2. Kids can stay on until age 263. Closed Medicare "donut hole"4. 85-15 rule for insurance providers, some people have actually gotten checks from their insurer5. No lifetime caps on insuranceFor the "repeal" people, all of this will go away, and if they say they want to keep it, how do you pay for it without the individual mandate?
meat0918: Try taking 12-15 credit hours and working an additional 30-40 hrs a week to help pay for said college. It sucks.
Trid_Kicker: And this just in: Vermont.The result will be healthcare that's "a right and not a privilege," Gov. Peter Shumlin said.
MyRandomName: Liberals have relied on voter ignorance of the bill.
cwheelie: "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry Ford
meat0918: cwheelie: "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry FordYou really want the IRS (the federal equivalent of the DMV) administering your healthcare plan?You mean a government
Carthax: blugenes: The ACA was not meant to be permanent legislation in my opinion, but a transition to a single-payor system either under or very similar to HR 676. The ACA is a nightmare for providers and patients, the "coverage" it gives to many people is more costly for sometimes fewer services and a lot of providers are now considering leaving the medical field or retiring early because of it. The new laws that are coming into place on 01 January will make it hard to reverse the damage already done, if it is not repealed by 01 January 2015 I am not sure what could be done to prevent many millions more people from losing their coverage on that date.I used to work in a medical center with over 80 doctors. We were in the process of upgrading all the practices to an electronic medical records system, and all the doctors over 40 were biatching and moaning about how hard it was to use, and that they were all going to retire at the end of the year.Yeah, they never did. The same thing is happening here. "Change is scary! I don't like change! I'm quitting the medical profession!" ...until they realize how little retirement pays, then they're all, "Psych!"
cwheelie: "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry FordYou really want the IRS (the federal equivalent of the DMV) administering your healthcare plan?
Kangaroo_Ralph: nmrsnr: This very much depends on what you think Obama meant by "works" if, as you seem to suggest, "works" means "gets implemented, regardless of how bad it is, or how widely reviled it is" yes, the statement is not a particularly good one. If however, you take "works" to mean "provide every American affordable health coverage, regardless of what changes need to be made" then it seems exactly like what politicians should do, work ceaselessly to make our lives better.Ah, but it's "this law works". The law itself is too flawed to work as written.
cwheelie: You really want the IRS (the federal equivalent of the DMV) administering your healthcare plan?
DamnYankees: Sin_City_Superhero: Theaetetus: Why would the GOP want to repeal the ACA? It's free money for insurance companies,That's the thing I don't get. Isn't this a huge boon for the big insurance companies? All those people that would be going without insurance because they are young and healthy, are now forced to buy coverage, or pay for the privilege of opting out.Opposition to the ACA has long, long, long gone past the point where it was rooted in any sort of ideological consistency. The opposition has only the barest of rationalizations at this point - the ACA is more liberal than what came before, because it redistributes money from the more-fortunate to the less-fortunate. That's it. That's where the opposition comes from. Trying to find specific things the ACA does which they hate is pointless. It all goes back to that,
Darth_Lukecash: [cdn.ucadia.net image 200x300]Not conservative enough for the GOP
mjones73: hugram: Trolls on this thread. "We hate Obamacare... That's why we voted for the guy who implemented Romneycare."Romney had to do something drastic in Massachusetts because their insurance market was so farked up, it wasn't an answer for the whole country...
mjones73: Trid_Kicker: mjones73: meat0918: Yes, please proceed on running on the promise of taking away the guarantee of health insurance.You mean health insurance you're forced to have or pay a fine over?Like the car insurance I'm forced to have or lose my license over? Because you're a liability on the roadLike the homeowner's insurance I'm forced to pay or lose my house over? Because your mortgage company requires itLike the liability insurance my doctor's forced to pay or lose his practice over? Because people are sue happy assholesWell, I can see your point. Having to buy insurance has ruined driving, housing, and pre-Obamacare medicine. I'm convinced.My well being is not going to impact anyone, nice try though.
Smeggy Smurf: Because some of them know about this little thing called the T-4 program. In the hands of a despot socialized medicine is a terrible weapon.
Whatchoo Talkinbout: It sucked as a theory. It sucked as a rollout. It sucks as a product.I'm sure it'll work out fine.
mjones73: meat0918: Yes, please proceed on running on the promise of taking away the guarantee of health insurance.You mean health insurance you're forced to have or pay a fine over?
Theaetetus: Why would the GOP want to repeal the ACA? It's free money for insurance companies, as well as providing a boogeyman to help them get the vote out.
DamnYankees: bdub77: Good for him. It's nice to see him and the Democrats finally start to show some spine.But Christ it was a long time coming.After the government shutdown, it's a little ludicrous to accuse the Dems of not having enough spine. Can we stop with this stupid meme? The problem with the Democrats isn't that they lack spine, it's that many of them just aren't very liberal.
Lando Lincoln: Man, if only Romney had campaigned on repealing the ACA, then he would have won.
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