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2013-12-04 12:43:15 PM
7 votes:
ACA Summary:
The Republicans will try to make sure it fails no matter how good it is.
The Democrats will try to make it succeeds no matter how bad it is.
No one will try to fix any problems it has to make it better.
2013-12-04 12:25:08 PM
6 votes:

bdub77: Good for him. It's nice to see him and the Democrats finally start to show some spine.

But Christ it was a long time coming.


After the government shutdown, it's a little ludicrous to accuse the Dems of not having enough spine. Can we stop with this stupid meme? The problem with the Democrats isn't that they lack spine, it's that many of them just aren't very liberal.
2013-12-04 12:56:10 PM
5 votes:
Just to note, website aside, things the ACA has already done that people will not willingly let go of:

1. No more preexisting condition exclusion
2. Kids can stay on until age 26
3. Closed Medicare "donut hole"
4. 85-15 rule for insurance providers, some people have actually gotten checks from their insurer
5. No lifetime caps on insurance


For the "repeal" people, all of this will go away, and if they say they want to keep it, how do you pay for it without the individual mandate?
2013-12-04 11:22:18 AM
5 votes:
Man, if only Romney had campaigned on repealing the ACA, then he would have won.
2013-12-04 03:14:25 PM
4 votes:

Deucednuisance: Whatchoo Talkinbout: I agree, one good story makes up for millions losing health care benefits.

You might try reading the article, it's tens of thousands of good stories, in just one reliably Red State.

As for your "millions", that's largely the result of insurance company scams:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/04/insurance-companies-obamaca re _n_4212552.html

There's plenty of further citation out there documenting this practice.

But I suspect you won't read any of them, since they contradict your narrative, which, by the way, is pretty darn suspect, when your claim of "doubling my health care costs" is such obvious hooey.

And if it is factual, then you're worse than a fool, you're a damn fool.

You can do better, and you won't even try, simply to maintain your outrage.

That's just sad.


The likely story is that it was his employer who doubled his insurance premium from $40 a month to $80 a month. I'm sure they included a nice letter to all their employees stating that "Thanks to the passage of Obamacare we will be reducing our employer obligation by half."

A lot of employers did that... but don't let the wording fool you, "My insurance premiums DOUBLED!!!" So did mine, I went from $35 a month to $70...

Truth is, the premium didn't double, my employer opted for paying less on their part because the government said it was OK that they could...
2013-12-04 12:51:33 PM
4 votes:
Well GOP, it's been nice knowing you. Ever since Bush, you just haven't been the same. If you had a shred of intelligence whatsoever, you'd just shut up about the ACA and let people see for their selves. If it's really as bad ad you say, you'd let it do what it's going to do, and then let people would be flock to your banner by the millions, loudly pointing out how you tried to avert this disaster multiple times, and your political success would be assured. The fact that you aren't shutting up tells me that you fear the results, and what they stand to do to your already tenuous grasp to political power. I used to be proud to tell people I was a Republican voter. Then, I became educated and knowledgeable about how we judge others according to our own motives and methods. I also noticed that the GOP was doing nothing for anybody but the ultra-rich (who already don't really need any help.) Like it or not, your claim to be "the lesser of two evils" has been soundly torn from your liver-spotted grasp.

Your children will be delicious.
2013-12-04 11:37:53 AM
4 votes:
And every month that goes by, another couple hundred thousand people enroll.  Which will force the GOP to campaign on canceling coverage for people, mostly middle class.

At that point, the attack ads basically write themselves.
2013-12-04 09:52:05 AM
4 votes:
Like they weren't going to hold another 10 votes on it in 2014.  Or another this year.  I wonder how those gop lacrosse moms are going to like 6$ a gallon milk when they don't approve a farm bill this year.
2013-12-04 01:14:14 PM
3 votes:

nmrsnr: Just to note, website aside, things the ACA has already done that people will not willingly let go of:

1. No more preexisting condition exclusion
2. Kids can stay on until age 26
3. Closed Medicare "donut hole"
4. 85-15 rule for insurance providers, some people have actually gotten checks from their insurer
5. No lifetime caps on insurance


For the "repeal" people, all of this will go away, and if they say they want to keep it, how do you pay for it without the individual mandate?



In addition to 1-5, the ACA also increases patient care standards at hospitals.  Hospitals either get federal grants or penalties for the quality of service they offer.

Oh, and medical costs overall have increased at their lowest rate in decades.  Some might attribute this to the economy but it could just as easily be the ACA driving it.
2013-12-04 01:11:26 PM
3 votes:
nmrsnr: Just to note, website aside, things the ACA has already done that people will not willingly let go of:

1. No more preexisting condition exclusion
2. Kids can stay on until age 26
3. Closed Medicare "donut hole"
4. 85-15 rule for insurance providers, some people have actually gotten checks from their insurer
5. No lifetime caps on insurance

Things the GOP has already done that people need to be reminded of almost all the time next year:
They are racists.
They hate women and women's rights like the Pakistani talibanis do.
They want to send your children to ar to make them oil rich.
They want to take away your social security benefits.
They want to starve your kids. 
They want everyone to love Jesus.
They hate Gays.
In fact, unless you are an old white man with tons of money in the bank, if you vote for the GOP, you should be ridiculed into a quivering mass of pee stained insecurity.

And please, feel free to do this.
2013-12-04 12:59:56 PM
3 votes:

mjones73: meat0918: Yes, please proceed on running on the promise of taking away the guarantee of health insurance.

You mean health insurance you're forced to have or pay a fine over?


Like the car insurance I'm forced to have or lose my license over?

Like the homeowner's insurance I'm forced to pay or lose my house over?

Like the liability insurance my doctor's forced to pay or lose his practice over?

Well, I can see your point.  Having to buy insurance has ruined driving, housing, and pre-Obamacare medicine.  I'm convinced.
2013-12-04 12:53:06 PM
3 votes:
It's almost like the Republicans are a bunch of hateful assholes or something ...
2013-12-04 12:46:41 PM
3 votes:

Sin_City_Superhero: Theaetetus: Why would the GOP want to repeal the ACA? It's free money for insurance companies,

That's the thing I don't get. Isn't this a huge boon for the big insurance companies? All those people that would be going without insurance because they are young and healthy, are now forced to buy coverage, or pay for the privilege of opting out.


Opposition to the ACA has long, long, long gone past the point where it was rooted in any sort of ideological consistency. The opposition has only the barest of rationalizations at this point - the ACA is more liberal than what came before, because it redistributes money from the more-fortunate to the less-fortunate. That's it. That's where the opposition comes from. Trying to find specific things the ACA does which they hate is pointless. It all goes back to that,
2013-12-04 12:44:35 PM
3 votes:

Theaetetus: Why would the GOP want to repeal the ACA? It's free money for insurance companies, as well as providing a boogeyman to help them get the vote out.


They don't like the idea that their 1990s plan was signed into law by a Democrat. If they somehow return to power in both the legislation and the presidency, I am sure there will be a repeal of the ACA and a replacement plan that will resemble it, except (considering how today's Republicans are, compared to the 90s ones) it will allow companies to deny coverage upon preexisting conditions and be more of a handout to their campaign contributors like how Medicare Part D was originally crafted as a handout to Merck and other drug companies.
2013-12-04 12:38:12 PM
3 votes:
Yes, please proceed on running on the promise of taking away the guarantee of health insurance.
2013-12-04 03:03:35 PM
2 votes:

cwolf20: Now if a friend can just finally prove to the healthcare automated site that he does not make 27,000 a year. Which he doesn't. He won't have to pay 175 a month that he doesn't have for health insurance the government wants everyone to have. 

Of course, if he stops eating, paying for gas, and stops helping his parents pay the bills thereby causing them to throw him out on the street. Because that's how they roll.  Then he probably won't need it in a few months since he'll be dead from starvation.


Have your friend call the 800 number
 Here's the link to that info https://www.healthcare.gov/contact-us/.
2013-12-04 02:24:24 PM
2 votes:

Whatchoo Talkinbout: I agree, one good story makes up for millions losing health care benefits.


You might try reading the article, it's tens of thousands of good stories, in just one reliably Red State.

As for your "millions", that's largely the result of insurance company scams:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/04/insurance-companies-obamaca re _n_4212552.html

There's plenty of further citation out there documenting this practice.

But I suspect you won't read any of them, since they contradict your narrative, which, by the way, is pretty darn suspect, when your claim of "doubling my health care costs" is such obvious hooey.

And if it is factual, then you're worse than a fool, you're a damn fool.

You can do better, and you won't even try, simply to maintain your outrage.

That's just sad.
2013-12-04 01:46:30 PM
2 votes:

Kangaroo_Ralph: nmrsnr: This very much depends on what you think Obama meant by "works" if, as you seem to suggest, "works" means "gets implemented, regardless of how bad it is, or how widely reviled it is" yes, the statement is not a particularly good one. If however, you take "works" to mean "provide every American affordable health coverage, regardless of what changes need to be made" then it seems exactly like what politicians should do, work ceaselessly to make our lives better.

Ah, but it's "this law works".  The law itself is too flawed to work as written.


It's a good thing the GOP worked tirelessly to come up with a bi-partisan solution to fix the various flaws in the ACA then instead of purposefully sabotaging the ACA and running on a platform of "No."

I mean that's what they did, right? Offer plausible, reality-based solutions and engaged in meaningful debate to make the legislation itself better, right? I mean if it's flawed, then obviously both parties in congress are responsible for the flaws, right? Not just one side trying to obstruct the other and trying to sabotage the legislation for political points?
2013-12-04 01:22:12 PM
2 votes:

Phinn: That's an issue of indigent care -- which was already covered by Medicaid.


But your principle would lead to the abolition of Medicaid also. What's the principle by which society should pay for the health care of children, poor people and old people, but not other people? Take 4 different people, all of whom get cancer:

15 year old: Society should help
25 year old without a job and no income: Society should help
25 year old with a job, but health insurance is too expensive: Society should not help
65 year old: Society should help

Why, exactly, should person #3 get farked? What's the principle?
2013-12-04 12:58:42 PM
2 votes:

nmrsnr: Just to note, website aside, things the ACA has already done that people will not willingly let go of:

1. No more preexisting condition exclusion
2. Kids can stay on until age 26
3. Closed Medicare "donut hole"
4. 85-15 rule for insurance providers, some people have actually gotten checks from their insurer
5. No lifetime caps on insurance


For the "repeal" people, all of this will go away, and if they say they want to keep it, how do you pay for it without the individual mandate?


On the other hand, there is the Republican plan to reform healthcare:

perfumedletters.files.wordpress.com

Both require thoughtful consideration before you choose which one has more merit.
2013-12-04 12:50:05 PM
2 votes:

Dinjiin: Theaetetus: Why would the GOP want to repeal the ACA? It's free money for insurance companies, as well as providing a boogeyman to help them get the vote out.

No kidding.  Have you seen the 3 year charts for insurance company stock prices?  I'm kicking myself for not buying more when I did.  A federal law that requires people to purchase a company's product.

I'm just waiting until the GOP suddenly realizes what a great idea this is and passes a similar law that requires every citizen over the age of 18 to own a firearm.  The firearms manufacturing industry would be in heaven.


I don't think they really want to repeal it, they just want to be able to tell their rube constituents that they tried.

Remember when the Dems started voting "present" on the GoP created budget and the GoP was scared it was going to pass so they had to vote against it?
2013-12-04 12:48:00 PM
2 votes:

Sin_City_Superhero: Theaetetus: Why would the GOP want to repeal the ACA? It's free money for insurance companies,

That's the thing I don't get. Isn't this a huge boon for the big insurance companies? All those people that would be going without insurance because they are young and healthy, are now forced to buy coverage, or pay for the privilege of opting out.


On the day Obama was inaugurated, the Republicans had a meeting in which they decided they would oppose every one of Obama's initiatives, NO MATTER WHAT THEY WERE.
2013-12-04 12:47:28 PM
2 votes:

Mighty Aswan: ACA Summary:
The Republicans will try to make sure it fails no matter how good it is.
The Democrats will try to make it succeeds no matter how bad it is.
No one will try to fix any problems it has to make it better.


Annnnnd were done here.
2013-12-04 12:45:36 PM
2 votes:

meat0918: Smeggy Smurf: Theaetetus: Why would the GOP want to repeal the ACA? It's free money for insurance companies, as well as providing a boogeyman to help them get the vote out.

Because some of them know about this little thing called the T-4 program.  In the hands of a despot socialized medicine is a terrible weapon.

You know who else....


You got it.  Now let's go really scary.  Imagine if the Rapeublicans were running your healthcare.  Picture abstinence only birth control mandated for the next 4 years.  Faith based antibiotics.  Mandatory quarterly drug screening for everybody.  That should scare the shiat out of anybody and yet it's not impossible to see it happening.  Yet you assholes are gleefully handing the possibility of that over to people that only see you as an open pocketbook and potential threat.
2013-12-04 12:41:34 PM
2 votes:
If I hear the phrase 'patient centered reform' again with no indication of what that actually means, I think I'm going to kill someone
2013-12-04 12:41:29 PM
2 votes:
"The only 'fix' is full repeal followed by step-by-step, patient-centered reforms that drive down costs and that Americans actually want."

You could do this with the law in place as it is now, you jerkwad. But you won't. Why is that?
2013-12-04 12:37:20 PM
2 votes:

oldernell: Like they weren't going to hold another 10 votes on it in 2014.  Or another this year.  I wonder how those gop lacrosse moms are going to like 6$ a gallon milk when they don't approve a farm bill this year.


They'll just blame it on Obama.
2013-12-04 11:17:14 AM
2 votes:
Good for him. It's nice to see him and the Democrats finally start to show some spine.

But Christ it was a long time coming.
2013-12-05 09:11:11 AM
1 votes:

Divinegrace: 47 is the new 42: Divinegrace: meat0918: Yes, please proceed on running on the promise of taking away the guarantee of health insurance.

The American people are not 'guaranteed' anything. Each and every American will have to pay for their own insurance, the government doesn't pay for anything...and if an American DOESN'T or CAN'T afford to pay for that insurance they will PAY a fine to the government.  Obama sold America to the insurance companies, cheap...period, end of story.

I recall there being subsidies for people that make under a certain amount and whose employers don't offer health insurance.

Subsidies does not equal free...they still have to pay money (albeit less, but pay never the less). If the don't buy insurance they will be fined. Our government has passed a law that forces people to buy a product...while this is the first time it has happened, you can bet your butt it will not be the last (now that the precedent has been set)


Nope.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/01/17/congress-passes-soc ia lized-medicine-and-mandates-health-insurance-in-1798/


To be fair, Obama is just one in a long line of politicians / President to sell out Americans...

Bush Jr - Sold us out to Haliburton and the like.
Clinton - signed NAFTA.
Bush Sr - Sold out to the same group his boy did.

None of these guys (Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush) will ever 'go hungry' again (not that they ever went hungry to begin with).

Selling out America to corporations is not a Republican problem, or a Democrat problem...they are ALL guilty of treason, they should ALL be convicted and punished accordingly IMHO.

But hay, Republicans should go head and keep pointing the finger at Democrats.
The Democrats should go head and keep pointing the finger at Republicans.
That has work out well so far, right!


Both sides are bad so either is preferable, right?

Obama is on record as wanting single payer and a public option but he didn't have the votes for it so the current ACA is a compromise that only goes part way.  It doesn't got far enough but it certainly is a step in the right direction.  In politics, you never get anywhere if you only swing for the fences every time you get up to bat.  Accept the base hit as progress even if all by itself it doesn't score any runs.  A couple more like it and we'll finally get somewhere.  The saga of women's suffrage and gay rights is/was a long slow chipping away at the old naysayers and cultural conservatism.  It took time but ultimately it was successful.  Socialized medicine is on the same path now.

Remember Hilarycare back in the 90s?  She swung for the fences and was practically laughed out of town for it.  So damaging was her all-or-nothing crusade that the issue of socialized medicine couldn't even be broached for almost 15 years afterwards.  Obama is taking the slower, baby steps approach instead: Start with insurance companies instead of gov't, expand Medicaid which is an already existing program, define minimum care standards, small but increasing penalty for not participating, full time employees only for now.  That is compromise, which is the essence of politics.  It's where we are now, but there's no reason to believe it's where we must ultimately stay.
2013-12-04 02:38:25 PM
1 votes:

Trid_Kicker: And this just in: Vermont.

The result will be healthcare that's "a right and not a privilege," Gov. Peter Shumlin said.



A right? Even for the poors? We don't cotton to that around here, boy.
2013-12-04 02:26:09 PM
1 votes:

meat0918: I suppose anything is possible, but the total sea change that would have to happen would rival the one that managed to get Prohibition into the Constitution.

And a lot of the health insurance plans I've seen already covers "Faith based medicine" in the form of naturopathic care, homeopathy (it's classified as medicine in America), and chiropractic care.


You are claiming that something wouldn't happen because it'd be as hard to do as something that really happened?

Here's a though experiment for you:  they passed a constitutional amendment to give the federal government the power to prohibit the sale, transportation and manufacture of alcohol.  They did this because it was understood that the constitution, as written, did not give the federal government this power.  (The amendment did not prohibit the consumption.  Interesting, huh?)

Then they found out that was stupid, and they passed the 21st amendment to repeal the 18th.

Thirty seven years later, the Controlled Substances Act is passed and Nixon declared the 'War On Drugs' and a series of laws are passed to prohibit the sale, possession and use of many recreational drugs, which up until then were taxed or (abusively) regulated.  No constitutional amendment was passed to give the federal government the power to prohibit these drugs.

You may think the bad stuff in health care will be hard to do, because you're thinking amend-the-constitution hard.  I'm thinking the bad stuff won't be that hard to do, given the right crisis that can be spun in the right way, because I'm thinking that would be constitution-means-what-politicians-say-it-means hard.  The ship has already sailed that would stop that.  Sailed, torpedoed and sunk by the USS Major Parties.
2013-12-04 02:18:42 PM
1 votes:

Whatchoo Talkinbout: nmrsnr: Whatchoo Talkinbout: It sucked as a theory. It sucked as a rollout. It sucks as a product.

I'm sure it'll work out fine.

First of all, it's not a product. Second of all, which of these benefits would you like to take away from the American people:

1. No more preexisting condition exclusion
2. Kids can stay on until age 26
3. Closed Medicare "donut hole"
4. 85-15 rule for insurance providers, some people have actually gotten checks from their insurer
5. No lifetime caps on insurance


You forgot doubling my healthcare costs, but hey some eggs blah, blah, blah. No sale.


Again, firstly, healthcare is not the same as health insurance, and healthcare costs are rising at their slowest rate in 50 years.

Secondly, I'm sorry if your health insurance premiums have gone up, but depending on your circumstance you either a) can get a subsidy to help with that, or b) can look for a cheaper plan. If neither of those are possible for you, then we come to:

Thirdly, you didn't address the question, which of the above benefits would you like to take away from the American people in order to pay less for health insurance?
2013-12-04 02:14:24 PM
1 votes:

Sin_City_Superhero: ManRay: "Sir, it was a valiant attempt, but it does not look like we have enough altitude to make it over the mountain."
"Throw out the parachutes and bolt the doors while I break off the throttle. We are riding this thing as far as it goes."
"Why not change course to go around the mountain? It might take longer be we will still get there."
"We have no choice. This is the only way. We have to crash this airplane before we can build a better one."

In your analogy, who is flying the plane? Is it the GOP that insists on opposing ANY legislation proposed by the sitting President of the United States of America?


"Our number one priority is to make Obama a one-term president."

But they wouldn't sabotage the ACA legislation to make that dream come true, right?

... right?
2013-12-04 02:11:45 PM
1 votes:

ManRay: "Sir, it was a valiant attempt, but it does not look like we have enough altitude to make it over the mountain."
"Throw out the parachutes and bolt the doors while I break off the throttle. We are riding this thing as far as it goes."
"Why not change course to go around the mountain? It might take longer be we will still get there."
"We have no choice. This is the only way. We have to crash this airplane before we can build a better one."


In your analogy, who is flying the plane? Is it the GOP that insists on opposing ANY legislation proposed by the sitting President of the United States of America?
2013-12-04 01:57:42 PM
1 votes:

The Martian Manhandler: DamnYankees: blugenes: a lot of providers are now considering leaving the medical field or retiring early because of it

LOL sure

My Father-in-Law busted out this exact same statement at Thanksgiving. It must be a Fox News talking point... I told him that I'd believe it when I saw it.


It's true. People who devote themselves to healing other people and pay large sums of money in education costs would rather see their patients and future patients suffer and die over a political point than continue their career and get paid.
2013-12-04 01:53:25 PM
1 votes:

Carthax: blugenes: The ACA was not meant to be permanent legislation in my opinion, but a transition to a single-payor system either under or very similar to HR 676.  The ACA is a nightmare for providers and patients, the "coverage" it gives to many people is more costly for sometimes fewer services and a lot of providers are now considering leaving the medical field or retiring early because of it.  The new laws that are coming into place on 01 January will make it hard to reverse the damage already done, if it is not repealed by 01 January 2015 I am not sure what could be done to prevent many millions more people from losing their coverage on that date.

I used to work in a medical center with over 80 doctors.  We were in the process of upgrading all the practices to an electronic medical records system, and all the doctors over 40 were biatching and moaning about how hard it was to use, and that they were all going to retire at the end of the year.

Yeah, they never did.   The same thing is happening here.  "Change is scary! I don't like change! I'm quitting the medical profession!"  ...until they realize how little retirement pays, then they're all, "Psych!"


It's never "Psych!"

It's... "Meh, I'll give it one more year. What's more year going to hurt?", then it's the year after that... and the year after that.

/works in the medical field
2013-12-04 01:50:26 PM
1 votes:

cwheelie: "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian."
  - Henry Ford

You really want the IRS (the federal equivalent of the DMV) administering your healthcare plan?


Um.  The USA already has a huge government agency administering a huge healthcare plan.

And interestingly, it is
preferred over private insurance.No, we don't want the "IRS" or the "DMV" administering our healthcare, but perhaps a government agency designed to, well, administer healthcare might fit the bill.
2013-12-04 01:44:06 PM
1 votes:

cwheelie: You really want the IRS (the federal equivalent of the DMV) administering your healthcare plan?


That's exactly what I want. I want my IRS Auditor to be the one who gives me flu shots.
2013-12-04 01:19:59 PM
1 votes:
Trolls on this thread. "We hate Obamacare... That's why we voted for the guy who implemented Romneycare."
2013-12-04 01:09:54 PM
1 votes:
"The only 'fix' is full repeal followed by  step-by-step, patient-centered reforms that drive down costs and that Americans actually want."

Let me fix that:

"The only 'fix' is full repeal followed by direct handouts to my big business medical campaign contributors"
2013-12-04 01:07:06 PM
1 votes:

Sudlow: The Democrats have been very open about the ACA being a stepping stone to single payer.


They have? Can you point to prominent Dems saying this?
2013-12-04 01:02:07 PM
1 votes:

Lord_Baull: Subby misspelled "Obamacare."


Why would you call it Obamacare? We have the Republicans to thank as much as the Democrats for the ACA. And the complaints we've heard thus far with the ACA are regarding provisions that were introduced (or at the very least influenced) by the Republicans in Congress.
2013-12-04 12:55:44 PM
1 votes:
I'm so sick of this shiat.  It's settled law, upheld by the Supreme Court.  I not a fan of it and thought something could be done within the free market.  The lawmakers of the country went a different route and based on election results, that's what most people wanted.  OK.  At this point, for the good of the country, stop this stupid bullshiat and put some energy into fixing shiat that's broken.  After a year of the ACA in place, get an understanding of what's broken and/or its unintended consequences and fix that  shiat too.
2013-12-04 12:55:22 PM
1 votes:
The ACA was not meant to be permanent legislation in my opinion, but a transition to a single-payor system either under or very similar to HR 676.  The ACA is a nightmare for providers and patients, the "coverage" it gives to many people is more costly for sometimes fewer services and a lot of providers are now considering leaving the medical field or retiring early because of it.  The new laws that are coming into place on 01 January will make it hard to reverse the damage already done, if it is not repealed by 01 January 2015 I am not sure what could be done to prevent many millions more people from losing their coverage on that date.
2013-12-04 12:50:44 PM
1 votes:

Giltric: jst3p: I have never seen either party react like a petulant child that didn't get his way to this degree before.


Link


Oy. Because leaving the state in order to protect worker's rights is the same as saying NO! to  everything.
2013-12-04 12:47:47 PM
1 votes:

Rosecitybeaver: If I hear the phrase 'patient centered reform' again with no indication of what that actually means, I think I'm going to kill someone


it's related to "common sense gun control measures"
2013-12-04 12:47:31 PM
1 votes:
No problem, they'll just force a default and crash the economy. They've already failed to repeal the ACA 41 times in addition to taking the matter to the Supreme Court and running an election on it; these people are deranged and they will never accept no for an answer.
2013-12-04 12:44:21 PM
1 votes:

mistrmind: DamnYankees: bdub77: Good for him. It's nice to see him and the Democrats finally start to show some spine.

But Christ it was a long time coming.

After the government shutdown, it's a little ludicrous to accuse the Dems of not having enough spine. Can we stop with this stupid meme? The problem with the Democrats isn't that they lack spine, it's that many of them just aren't very liberal.

No, they lack a spine as well as character.  Come to think of it, not many redeeming factors.


No, see. we're talking about Democrats, not teatards
2013-12-04 12:44:16 PM
1 votes:
I have seen legislation passed by both parties that the opposition was opposed to.

I have never seen either party react like a petulant child that didn't get his way to this degree before.

GoP, you are not helping yourselves here. Your image is pretty broken already and this temper tantrum over Obamacare is making it worse. You guys really need to get your shiat together if you want to take the white house again.
2013-12-04 12:40:37 PM
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Weaver95: Lando Lincoln: Man, if only Romney had campaigned on repealing the ACA, then he would have won.

Clearly, Romney just wasn't conservative enough. The next GOP presidential candidtate will be more conservative than ever before. THAT will certainly win back the country!


Frankly, Mitt would probably be just as comfortable with a D behind his name. For all intents and purposes; both parties are the sock puppets of corporate America.
2013-12-04 12:38:13 PM
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Why would the GOP want to repeal the ACA? It's free money for insurance companies, as well as providing a boogeyman to help them get the vote out.
2013-12-04 12:37:49 PM
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Subby misspelled "Obamacare."
2013-12-04 12:36:40 PM
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Someone must really like defeat.
2013-12-04 12:29:39 PM
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DamnYankees: bdub77: Good for him. It's nice to see him and the Democrats finally start to show some spine.

But Christ it was a long time coming.

After the government shutdown, it's a little ludicrous to accuse the Dems of not having enough spine. Can we stop with this stupid meme? The problem with the Democrats isn't that they lack spine, it's that many of them just aren't very liberal.


Yep.
2013-12-04 11:45:04 AM
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Lando Lincoln: Man, if only Romney had campaigned on repealing the ACA, then he would have won.


Clearly, Romney just wasn't conservative enough. The next GOP presidential candidtate will be more conservative than ever before. THAT will certainly win back the country!
 
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