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2013-12-04 07:58:31 PM  

Realist29: Grow up liar.


Really??? Is that the best you've got? If the ACA was so bad, the GOP would see it as a major political coup. Supposedly, millions of people will be majorly negatively impacted by this law. The GOP is on record as having tried to get this law struck down numerous times. Now, all they should have to do is sit back and welcome all these disenfranchised new voters with open arms. They should make major gains in Congress in the mid-term elections, and win the white House at the end of Obama's term.

*If* this law is as bad as they're making it out to be.

However, the more noise they make about it, the more it appears that they're upset because it's a master stroke and they want it struck down before it solidifies support against them and they lose what tenuous hold they have laft at any political credibility whatsoever. They had their chance. I've personally seen the results. A 100 mile helicopter ride to a hospital if you should break your leg while that far away from one will set you back $22,500+ That's $225 a mile. With no medical aid at all rendered in flight. Why? Farking greed, on the part of bureaucrats and rich farks. At that rate, the helicopter paid for itself in a mere week, even including the overhead, all because some cigar-chewing prick thinks he's worth as much as a doctor.

If I'm a liar, I'll now grant you the privilege of showing me where.
 
2013-12-04 09:25:33 PM  
Does Obama not realize this is his LAST term?
Also, many people are only enrolling because the law is forcing them to do so.
 
2013-12-04 10:49:51 PM  

robogun: I was a conservative, but now I'm a liberal, give me MOAR free stuff and take care of me like a baby.

You can have whatever info you want and watch every mode I make also.

I don't know why I fought this, It's like being a child all over again


Did you quit your job to get that sweet welfare check yet?
 
2013-12-04 10:50:50 PM  

42_42_42: Also, many people are only enrolling because the law is forcing them to do so.


I suppose having health insurance is a mildly nice side benefit.
 
2013-12-04 10:56:13 PM  
"GOP: Challenge accepted." You say that as if it actually meant something.
 
2013-12-04 11:57:06 PM  

mark12A: Once people realize what the Dems did to them, there hopefully won't be any more Affirmative Action Hires elected to the White House anytime soon....


I never took you seriously before this but this statement here is the one that seals the deal.

Clearly I voted for Obama only because he's black and not because I thought Romney was a horrible alternative. You saw right through me!
 
2013-12-05 12:12:30 AM  

Lando Lincoln: 42_42_42: Also, many people are only enrolling because the law is forcing them to do so.

I suppose having health insurance is a mildly nice side benefit.


How many of those people can't really afford it, but don't fit within the parameters established by the ACA to receive it free or at a discount?

How many of those people HAD insurance until the ACA made what their employers were offering so expensive that the employer could no longer afford to provide it?

I'm still pissed off that the stupid Supreme Court decided the government could make people purchase something. That is one dangerously slippery slope we're sliding down now. We need LESS government, not MORE. After-all, the government has royally farked up education in this country. Do we REALLY think they're going to do any better with healthcare? As the stunning website debacle has already shown, the government's got it's thumb so far its ass it's sitting on its shoulder.
 
2013-12-05 12:14:03 AM  
PS - I know that first "it's" in the last line should be its, but autocorrect apparently didn't.
 
2013-12-05 12:24:51 AM  

meat0918: Yes, please proceed on running on the promise of taking away the guarantee of health insurance.


The American people are not 'guaranteed' anything. Each and every American will have to pay for their own insurance, the government doesn't pay for anything...and if an American DOESN'T or CAN'T afford to pay for that insurance they will PAY a fine to the government.  Obama sold America to the insurance companies, cheap...period, end of story.
 
2013-12-05 01:19:00 AM  

Weatherkiss: The Martian Manhandler: Weatherkiss: The Martian Manhandler: DamnYankees: blugenes: a lot of providers are now considering leaving the medical field or retiring early because of it

LOL sure

My Father-in-Law busted out this exact same statement at Thanksgiving. It must be a Fox News talking point... I told him that I'd believe it when I saw it.

It's true. People who devote themselves to healing other people and pay large sums of money in education costs would rather see their patients and future patients suffer and die over a political point than continue their career and get paid.

That's almost verbatim what I said to my Father-in-Law, except maybe a little more incredulously.

Well if what your Father-in-Law says is true, this means I can quit my job busting my ass doing 12 hour shifts at the hospital and the GOP will pay off my student loans and will pay me to be unemployed, right?


Weatherkiss and I might be able to trade stories one of these days, thank you for whatever you do and I totally understand about shifts and loans.  That being said, I do not watch Fox news, usually BBC or if I can get it Taipei Times.  I know lots of physicians are getting out of the field or moving that way because of connections in Big Pharma and health care management.  There are lots of slots being taken up by American physicians moving into corporate and taking a pay cut to do so but whose expertise is welcome at said companies (not all of the American).  There are also many moving overseas, one provider I know just landed a cushy job in Qatar at a salary she would not get here.  Heck, I looked at a position that offered almost double what it would pay here in that part of the world.  You may be aware of a physician shortage being reported, the cause is more complex than simple replacement of those retiring in their late 60s and early 70s.

And those who champion the ACA, please read the plans that "save" people money.  In many cases they cover much less and are simply catastrophic insurance plans, nothing more.  To a plan the ones I looked at in New York and elsewhere end up covering only so much on an inpatient hospital bill and very little else, not even drug coverage or more than half a cost for an outpatient visit or labs etc.  Obama has been on record as pro-single payor since at least 2008 if not 2003, and there are others in Congress who would like to see such a system come to pass.
 
2013-12-05 01:24:03 AM  

Divinegrace: meat0918: Yes, please proceed on running on the promise of taking away the guarantee of health insurance.

The American people are not 'guaranteed' anything. Each and every American will have to pay for their own insurance, the government doesn't pay for anything...and if an American DOESN'T or CAN'T afford to pay for that insurance they will PAY a fine to the government.  Obama sold America to the insurance companies, cheap...period, end of story.


I recall there being subsidies for people that make under a certain amount and whose employers don't offer health insurance.
 
2013-12-05 01:35:41 AM  

blugenes: Weatherkiss: The Martian Manhandler: Weatherkiss: The Martian Manhandler: DamnYankees: blugenes: a lot of providers are now considering leaving the medical field or retiring early because of it

LOL sure

My Father-in-Law busted out this exact same statement at Thanksgiving. It must be a Fox News talking point... I told him that I'd believe it when I saw it.

It's true. People who devote themselves to healing other people and pay large sums of money in education costs would rather see their patients and future patients suffer and die over a political point than continue their career and get paid.

That's almost verbatim what I said to my Father-in-Law, except maybe a little more incredulously.

Well if what your Father-in-Law says is true, this means I can quit my job busting my ass doing 12 hour shifts at the hospital and the GOP will pay off my student loans and will pay me to be unemployed, right?

Weatherkiss and I might be able to trade stories one of these days, thank you for whatever you do and I totally understand about shifts and loans.  That being said, I do not watch Fox news, usually BBC or if I can get it Taipei Times.  I know lots of physicians are getting out of the field or moving that way because of connections in Big Pharma and health care management.  There are lots of slots being taken up by American physicians moving into corporate and taking a pay cut to do so but whose expertise is welcome at said companies (not all of the American).  There are also many moving overseas, one provider I know just landed a cushy job in Qatar at a salary she would not get here.  Heck, I looked at a position that offered almost double what it would pay here in that part of the world.  You may be aware of a physician shortage being reported, the cause is more complex than simple replacement of those retiring in their late 60s and early 70s.

And those who champion the ACA, please read the plans that "save" people money.  In many cases they cover much less and are s ...


Most of the plans that I was eligible for through the New York State Health Exchange had comparable or better in-network coverage to the plans my employer offers.  (They offer one traditional PPO, and two HDHPs).  Any one can use the health exchanges, but they'll be paying all the premiums as opposed to a shared employer/employee cost and likely not eligible for subsidies.  Single payer would be better though.
 
2013-12-05 04:16:10 AM  

robbiex0r: "The only 'fix' is full repeal followed by step-by-step, patient-centered reforms that drive down costs and that Americans actually want."

You could do this with the law in place as it is now, you jerkwad. But you won't. Why is that?


Well, they want to repeal the law, crow all about it, and then re-introduce it as the Palin-Bachmann Act. Printed on paper embossed in eagles in US Flag bikinis.
 
2013-12-05 04:44:51 AM  

mjones73: Phinn: Trid_Kicker: mjones73: meat0918: Yes, please proceed on running on the promise of taking away the guarantee of health insurance.

You mean health insurance you're forced to have or pay a fine over?

Like the car insurance I'm forced to have or lose my license over?

Like the homeowner's insurance I'm forced to pay or lose my house over?

Like the liability insurance my doctor's forced to pay or lose his practice over?

Well, I can see your point.  Having to buy insurance has ruined driving, housing, and pre-Obamacare medicine.  I'm convinced.

Those forms of insurance exist to protect other people -- the other driver you hit, the bank that is insuring its loan more than your actual house, and the patient you injure.

People should be allowed to choose if they want to take the risk of insuring themselves, to protect themselves, and their own ability to receive care for themselves.  They may, for example, simply choose to expend the cost of living a very healthy lifestyle.  (Unlike the people who are the reason for two-thirds of all medical expenses in the USA, which are the result of self-inflicted, voluntary bad lifestyle choices -- obesity, inactivity, smoking, alcohol and drug abuse.

And before you say that Obamacare exists to solve the problem of all of the people who supposedly would go without insurance and run up big medical bills and fail to pay (thus burdening everyone else), that figure amounts to less than 2% of all medical costs.  Two percent of the cost of all medical services is involuntarily unpaid.  That's less than half of the cost of services that doctors and hospitals choose to provide for free voluntarily, out of charity.

The Myth of the Uninsured Deadbeat was a fantasy -- a bogeyman that Obama used to get people to justify their unethical support of a law mandating people buy things they do not want, supposedly for their own good.

Thank you for detailing that out more then I did.


I can't believe either of you is serious.
 
2013-12-05 05:00:22 AM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: nmrsnr: Whatchoo Talkinbout: It sucked as a theory. It sucked as a rollout. It sucks as a product.

I'm sure it'll work out fine.

First of all, it's not a product. Second of all, which of these benefits would you like to take away from the American people:

1. No more preexisting condition exclusion
2. Kids can stay on until age 26
3. Closed Medicare "donut hole"
4. 85-15 rule for insurance providers, some people have actually gotten checks from their insurer
5. No lifetime caps on insurance


You forgot doubling my healthcare costs, but hey some eggs blah, blah, blah. No sale.


Unlikely.
 
2013-12-05 05:11:47 AM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: Lando Lincoln: What would be a long-term improvement?

Doing away with all but catastrophic insurance (for health, car, house, etc.), expecting people (and cities and businesses) to save money for hardships, and not bailing them out every time there is one.

But that's long long term improvement. Like two generations of people with their hands out at least.


Saving money for hardships?  So, 2nd generation millionaires only?

You would doom most of the nation to an early grave with your plan.
 
2013-12-05 05:57:56 AM  

47 is the new 42: Divinegrace: meat0918: Yes, please proceed on running on the promise of taking away the guarantee of health insurance.

The American people are not 'guaranteed' anything. Each and every American will have to pay for their own insurance, the government doesn't pay for anything...and if an American DOESN'T or CAN'T afford to pay for that insurance they will PAY a fine to the government.  Obama sold America to the insurance companies, cheap...period, end of story.

I recall there being subsidies for people that make under a certain amount and whose employers don't offer health insurance.


Subsidies does not equal free...they still have to pay money (albeit less, but pay never the less). If the don't buy insurance they will be fined. Our government has passed a law that forces people to buy a product...while this is the first time it has happened, you can bet your butt it will not be the last (now that the precedent has been set)

To be fair, Obama is just one in a long line of politicians / President to sell out Americans...

Bush Jr - Sold us out to Haliburton and the like.
Clinton - signed NAFTA.
Bush Sr - Sold out to the same group his boy did.

None of these guys (Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush) will ever 'go hungry' again (not that they ever went hungry to begin with).

Selling out America to corporations is not a Republican problem, or a Democrat problem...they are ALL guilty of treason, they should ALL be convicted and punished accordingly IMHO.

But hay, Republicans should go head and keep pointing the finger at Democrats.
The Democrats should go head and keep pointing the finger at Republicans.
That has work out well so far, right!
 
2013-12-05 06:03:28 AM  

knobmaker: Whatchoo Talkinbout: Deucednuisance: Whatchoo Talkinbout: What's sad is the crap we were sold. And you aren't bright enough to see it. Damned jackass.

Tell me, did you even look at your state's exchange or the Federal exchange if you live in a state where spiteful republicans are actively trying to ruin their citizens' lives for some perceived political gain?

As bitter as you sound, I'm willing to bet it's the latter, and that you didn't because, reasons.

Now I know I'm being trolled, nobody's that stupid.

So you didn't check.



Wrong again as usual. Back to your mom's basement failure-boy.
 
2013-12-05 06:04:18 AM  

Alphax: Whatchoo Talkinbout: nmrsnr: Whatchoo Talkinbout: It sucked as a theory. It sucked as a rollout. It sucks as a product.

I'm sure it'll work out fine.

First of all, it's not a product. Second of all, which of these benefits would you like to take away from the American people:

1. No more preexisting condition exclusion
2. Kids can stay on until age 26
3. Closed Medicare "donut hole"
4. 85-15 rule for insurance providers, some people have actually gotten checks from their insurer
5. No lifetime caps on insurance


You forgot doubling my healthcare costs, but hey some eggs blah, blah, blah. No sale.

Unlikely.



Only in your mom's basement. now go back there fool.
 
2013-12-05 06:07:55 AM  

Alphax: mjones73: Phinn: Trid_Kicker: mjones73: meat0918: Yes, please proceed on running on the promise of taking away the guarantee of health insurance.

You mean health insurance you're forced to have or pay a fine over?

Like the car insurance I'm forced to have or lose my license over?

Like the homeowner's insurance I'm forced to pay or lose my house over?

Like the liability insurance my doctor's forced to pay or lose his practice over?

Well, I can see your point.  Having to buy insurance has ruined driving, housing, and pre-Obamacare medicine.  I'm convinced.

Those forms of insurance exist to protect other people -- the other driver you hit, the bank that is insuring its loan more than your actual house, and the patient you injure.

People should be allowed to choose if they want to take the risk of insuring themselves, to protect themselves, and their own ability to receive care for themselves.  They may, for example, simply choose to expend the cost of living a very healthy lifestyle.  (Unlike the people who are the reason for two-thirds of all medical expenses in the USA, which are the result of self-inflicted, voluntary bad lifestyle choices -- obesity, inactivity, smoking, alcohol and drug abuse.

And before you say that Obamacare exists to solve the problem of all of the people who supposedly would go without insurance and run up big medical bills and fail to pay (thus burdening everyone else), that figure amounts to less than 2% of all medical costs.  Two percent of the cost of all medical services is involuntarily unpaid.  That's less than half of the cost of services that doctors and hospitals choose to provide for free voluntarily, out of charity.

The Myth of the Uninsured Deadbeat was a fantasy -- a bogeyman that Obama used to get people to justify their unethical support of a law mandating people buy things they do not want, supposedly for their own good.

Thank you for detailing that out more then I did.

I can't believe either of you is serious.


I know. That's why you will never understand the extent to which you and hundreds of millions of others are being screwed.

Enjoy your blissful ignorance, meat puppet.
 
2013-12-05 06:13:49 AM  

The Envoy: Deep Contact: Odumber is just a lying sac of poop. Just go back to Kenya!

Oh thank FSM the intelligentsia has arrived.

Get off your Dad's PC kid.



My dad died in 1971 retard.
 
2013-12-05 06:29:40 AM  

Phinn: I know. That's why you will never understand the extent to which you and hundreds of millions of others are being screwed.


images.wikia.com
 
2013-12-05 09:11:11 AM  

Divinegrace: 47 is the new 42: Divinegrace: meat0918: Yes, please proceed on running on the promise of taking away the guarantee of health insurance.

The American people are not 'guaranteed' anything. Each and every American will have to pay for their own insurance, the government doesn't pay for anything...and if an American DOESN'T or CAN'T afford to pay for that insurance they will PAY a fine to the government.  Obama sold America to the insurance companies, cheap...period, end of story.

I recall there being subsidies for people that make under a certain amount and whose employers don't offer health insurance.

Subsidies does not equal free...they still have to pay money (albeit less, but pay never the less). If the don't buy insurance they will be fined. Our government has passed a law that forces people to buy a product...while this is the first time it has happened, you can bet your butt it will not be the last (now that the precedent has been set)


Nope.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/01/17/congress-passes-soc ia lized-medicine-and-mandates-health-insurance-in-1798/


To be fair, Obama is just one in a long line of politicians / President to sell out Americans...

Bush Jr - Sold us out to Haliburton and the like.
Clinton - signed NAFTA.
Bush Sr - Sold out to the same group his boy did.

None of these guys (Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush) will ever 'go hungry' again (not that they ever went hungry to begin with).

Selling out America to corporations is not a Republican problem, or a Democrat problem...they are ALL guilty of treason, they should ALL be convicted and punished accordingly IMHO.

But hay, Republicans should go head and keep pointing the finger at Democrats.
The Democrats should go head and keep pointing the finger at Republicans.
That has work out well so far, right!


Both sides are bad so either is preferable, right?

Obama is on record as wanting single payer and a public option but he didn't have the votes for it so the current ACA is a compromise that only goes part way.  It doesn't got far enough but it certainly is a step in the right direction.  In politics, you never get anywhere if you only swing for the fences every time you get up to bat.  Accept the base hit as progress even if all by itself it doesn't score any runs.  A couple more like it and we'll finally get somewhere.  The saga of women's suffrage and gay rights is/was a long slow chipping away at the old naysayers and cultural conservatism.  It took time but ultimately it was successful.  Socialized medicine is on the same path now.

Remember Hilarycare back in the 90s?  She swung for the fences and was practically laughed out of town for it.  So damaging was her all-or-nothing crusade that the issue of socialized medicine couldn't even be broached for almost 15 years afterwards.  Obama is taking the slower, baby steps approach instead: Start with insurance companies instead of gov't, expand Medicaid which is an already existing program, define minimum care standards, small but increasing penalty for not participating, full time employees only for now.  That is compromise, which is the essence of politics.  It's where we are now, but there's no reason to believe it's where we must ultimately stay.
 
2013-12-05 09:47:46 AM  

Giltric: It would have been repealed already if they didn't limit the nuclear option to judicial appointments only.


In a Democratic-controlled Senate? Are you high?
 
2013-12-05 10:00:56 AM  
To be fair... I do feel good about their chances of finally getting Obama out of the White House after the next election. Replacing him with a Republican is iffy.
 
2013-12-05 10:04:45 AM  

mjones73: meat0918: Yes, please proceed on running on the promise of taking away the guarantee of health insurance.

You mean health insurance you're forced to have or pay a fine over?


You being forced to pay for your own health care beats the heck out of your uninsured arse showing up at the emergency room and then me and my insurance being forced to pay twice because you couldn't afford it.
 
2013-12-05 10:08:43 AM  

mark12A: Once people realize what the Dems did to them, there hopefully won't be any more Affirmative Action Hires elected to the White House anytime soon....


Fortunately everyone assures us that Conservatives are unfairly labeled as racists. So as not to misinterpret your drivel as racist.
 
2013-12-05 10:41:31 AM  

Joe Blowme: Giving people affordable health care means they have more money to spend frivolously.

Know how i know you dont have to buy ACA insurance?


Same anecdote. Different thread:

I was working as an IT contractor until getting hired on full-time in May of this year. I was getting insurance my my wife and myself through my employer TEKSystems. We were paying $170/WEEK ($680/mo) for insurance that had a $50 copay, $5,000 deductible, and covered 60% up to my $12,000 max annual. Premiums ONLY come to $8160 a year.

The very lowest Bronze plan I can even choose, has a similar deductible but a max out of pocket of almost $6000/a year less. At $200/month that's almost a $6000 annual savings ($680*12 = $8160) - ($200*12 = $2400) = $5760.

I save $6000 a year for better insurance even if I don't use it ever. If I used it to that maximum out of pocket I would save: ($12000 - $6131 = $5869) + $5760 on premiums = $11629 annually.

A Platinum plan would save us ($680*12 = $8160) - ($381*12 = $4572) = $3588 annually. At the maximum out of pocket we would save ($12000 - $1500 = $10500) + $3588 on premiums = $14,088 annually.

Thanks, Obama. No seriously, THANKS!
teamshocker.com
 
2013-12-05 11:01:18 AM  
yeah good luck with that
 
2013-12-05 12:00:56 PM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: Wrong again as usual. Back to your mom's basement failure-boy.


I've made full disclosure: My insurer, my plan, my 2013 rate and my 2014 rate.  So have more than a few other people.

How about you do the same, and stop with the childishness and petulant insults?

You're not convincing anyone, and turning off more than a few.  Why is that a reasonable way to proceed?
 
2013-12-05 12:06:23 PM  

42_42_42: Do we REALLY think they're going to do any better with healthcare?


As opposed to the current private market system now? Yes. Yes I do.
 
2013-12-05 12:08:12 PM  

Phinn: Enjoy your blissful ignorance, meat puppet.


Are you a silicon-based life-form?
 
2013-12-05 12:10:22 PM  

Deep Contact: The Envoy: Deep Contact: Odumber is just a lying sac of poop. Just go back to Kenya!

Oh thank FSM the intelligentsia has arrived.

Get off your Dad's PC kid.


My dad died in 1971 retard.


Well, at least he was spared the disappointment of seeing his child grow in to a mentally deficient adult.
 
2013-12-05 12:18:51 PM  

The Envoy: Deep Contact: The Envoy: Deep Contact: Odumber is just a lying sac of poop. Just go back to Kenya!

Oh thank FSM the intelligentsia has arrived.

Get off your Dad's PC kid.


My dad died in 1971 retard.

Well, at least he was spared the disappointment of seeing his child grow in to a mentally deficient adult.


At least I'm not as mentally retarded at Odumber.
 
2013-12-05 12:25:45 PM  

Deucednuisance: Whatchoo Talkinbout: Wrong again as usual. Back to your mom's basement failure-boy.

I've made full disclosure: My insurer, my plan, my 2013 rate and my 2014 rate.  So have more than a few other people.

How about you do the same, and stop with the childishness and petulant insults?

You're not convincing anyone, and turning off more than a few.  Why is that a reasonable way to proceed?



Give my personal information to a random internet jackass? Sounds as good as ACA is turning out to be.
My personal experience says it sucks, I'm sorry you can't deal with that, but you're obviously in the bag for someone.
 
2013-12-05 12:44:17 PM  

Deep Contact: At least I'm not as mentally retarded at Odumber.


Oh Lordy. Thank you, Internet. You make me laugh so.
 
2013-12-05 12:44:52 PM  

Persnickety: Both sides are bad so either is preferable, right?

Obama is on record as wanting single payer and a public option but he didn't have the votes for it so the current ACA is a compromise that only goes part way.  It doesn't got far enough but it certainly is a step in the right direction.  In politics, you never get anywhere if you only swing for the fences every time you get up to bat.  Accept the base hit as progress even if all by itself it doesn't score any runs.  A couple more like it and we'll finally get somewhere.  The saga of women's suffrage and gay rights is/was a long slow chipping away at the old naysayers and cultural conservatism.  It took time but ultimately it was successful.  Socialized medicine is on the same path now.

Remember Hilarycare back in the 90s?  She swung for the fences and was practically laughed out of town for it.  So damaging was her all-or-nothing crusade that the issue of socialized medicine couldn't even be broached for almost 15 years afterwards.  Obama is taking the slower, baby steps approach instead: Start with insurance companies instead of gov't, expand Medicaid which is an already existing program, define minimum care standards, small but increasing penalty for not participating, full time employees only for now.  That is compromise, which is the essence of politics.  It's where we are now, but there's no reason to believe it's where we must ultimately stay.


The choice for every American is buy their product OR be treated like a criminal (and pay fines like a criminal)... The choice for sole proprietor's / partnerships that are run by people of faith is not ONLY condone things against their faith like birth control, but they ALSO have to personally / professionally FINANCE it OR be fined like a criminal. I am a person of faith and while I am not Catholic there are many aspects about the Catholic Church that I understand and agree with (the concept of confession as an example), however I don't understand or agree with the whole 'no birth control' concept. That said, just because I don't understand and I personally don't AGREE with the 'no birth control' concept that doesn't give me the right to tell another that their culture, traditions, and faith is not only wrong, butunconstitutional.

America (and the world at large) has PLENTY of ways to raise money for socialized medicine without forcing people to buy a product or be fined like a criminal, or making a person of faith choice between their faith, or getting fined like a criminal.The issue with the ACA is not that it is socialized medicine, the issue is that ACA is from its base up...unconstitutional and to pass such a law is IMO treason, plain and simple.
 
2013-12-05 12:45:22 PM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: Give my personal information to a random internet jackass?


What "personal information"?  Are you high?

Insurance company name, rates, and coverage, not your address and social security number.  We're asking for publicly available stuff which doesn't identify you in any way.  People *do* shop for insurance, you know.  Put up or shut up.

To fail to do so, and to fail back on a patently absurd excuse, when plenty of others have already done so at no peril whatsoever is simple intellectual* cowardice.

(*I use the word "intellectual" at my peril, here, I know.)

The only thing I'm "in the bag" for is objectively verifiable facts.  And you're too gutless to provide any to back up your claims.

I wonder why.

How about this: what's your zip code?  I'll look up the exchange plans myself.

Because you're certainly behaving like you're full of it.
 
2013-12-05 12:48:49 PM  

Divinegrace: the issue is that ACA is from its base up...unconstitutional and to pass such a law is IMO treason, plain and simple.


Local Man Passionate Defender....
 
2013-12-05 01:17:14 PM  

Deucednuisance: Divinegrace: the issue is that ACA is from its base up...unconstitutional and to pass such a law is IMO treason, plain and simple.

Local Man Passionate Defender....


First: I think you meant "Area Man Passionate Defender".
Second: Take out the whole part that forces people of faith to go against their faith or be fined and the ACA is still unconstitutional (due to the whole 'buy what I tell you to buy or you will be fined like a criminal' part).
 
2013-12-05 01:26:17 PM  

Deep Contact: At least I'm not as mentally retarded at Odumber.


Whoopsie!  I forgot to add "delusional" to "mentally deficient".
 
2013-12-05 01:47:47 PM  

Deucednuisance: Whatchoo Talkinbout: Give my personal information to a random internet jackass?

What "personal information"?  Are you high?

Insurance company name, rates, and coverage, not your address and social security number.  We're asking for publicly available stuff which doesn't identify you in any way.  People *do* shop for insurance, you know.  Put up or shut up.

To fail to do so, and to fail back on a patently absurd excuse, when plenty of others have already done so at no peril whatsoever is simple intellectual* cowardice.

(*I use the word "intellectual" at my peril, here, I know.)

The only thing I'm "in the bag" for is objectively verifiable facts.  And you're too gutless to provide any to back up your claims.

I wonder why.

How about this: what's your zip code?  I'll look up the exchange plans myself.

Because you're certainly behaving like you're full of i



You're obviously deranged, you will get nowhere near me or my family's info, moron. You're heroes have failed you miserably, learn to deal with these things better. Now put your helmet on and take your meds. Welcome to ignore, dipshiat.
 
2013-12-05 02:13:14 PM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: You're obviously deranged, you will get nowhere near me or my family's info, moron. You're heroes have failed you miserably, learn to deal with these things better. Now put your helmet on and take your meds. Welcome to ignore, dipshiat.


His request was simple and does not, in any way, jeopardise your anonymity if done correctly.   Pangeamanaged it above.  That you won't signifies that maybe you aren't being honest about the alleged impact on you.  You could have avoided that by posting anonymous information which corroborates your story.  Instead you retreated in to insult and then to the ignore list.  That only does one thing: makes the rest of us doubt your story even more.  So now you're either a liar or a troll, and one whose sole motivation is to stay in line with a particular ideology.  That (and the use of ignore) would be the intellectual cowardice referred to earlier.

Like he said: put up or shut up.  Now's the time because you've discredited yourself far better than anybody else could have done.  You're the only one who can rescue the situation now.
 
2013-12-05 02:35:07 PM  

Divinegrace: Second: Take out the whole part that forces people of faith to go against their faith or be fined and the ACA is still unconstitutional (due to the whole 'buy what I tell you to buy or you will be fined like a criminal' part).


I trust you can find a competent court of record that concurs with you and provide us with a citation to that effect?

Because a lot of folks have made that argument at trial and each one has failed, if memory serves.

Whatchoo Talkinbout: Now put your helmet on and take your meds.


I always wear a helmet when I ride.  I hope everyone here does!

As to my meds, that's why I selected the High Option: Generics are free for me at the pharmacy, and I have no deductibles, at all.  So, yes, I pay a little more up-front, but more than make up for that over the course of the year.  I'll take today's pharmaceutical toast right after I finish lunch: Some of them need to be taken with food, you see.  But thanks for the reminder, glad that you are able to show some concern for your fellow citizens.

Whatchoo Talkinbout: Welcome to ignore, dipshiat.


Aw, how sweet.  Love you, too.
 
2013-12-05 02:55:00 PM  
Divinegrace:

The choice for every American is buy their product OR be treated like a criminal (and pay fines like a criminal)...

There is nothing implied in the paying of taxes that has anything to do with criminality.  Uninsured people showing up in the ER with no way to pay are a huge drain on our tax coffers.  The #1 cause of bankruptcy in the US is not bad money management, it's the inability to pay sky high medical bills due to an illness or an accident.  Since this ends up costing all of us money, the gov't has an interest in seeing those costs covered, thus the tax for those who won't take responsibility for themselves or continue to run on teenage magic thinking that nothing bad will ever happen to them so why take precautions?

The choice for sole proprietor's / partnerships that are run by people of faith is not ONLY condone things against their faith like birth control, but they ALSO have to personally / professionally FINANCE it OR be fined like a criminal. I am a person of faith and while I am not Catholic there are many aspects about the Catholic Church that I understand and agree with (the concept of confession as an example), however I don't understand or agree with the whole 'no birth control' concept. That said, just because I don't understand and I personally don't AGREE with the 'no birth control' concept that doesn't give me the right to tell another that their culture, traditions, and faith is not only wrong, butunconstitutional.

There is no obligation whatsoever that employers provide health care coverage for their employees.  There are tax incentives to do so but tax exempt organizations like churches don't need them.  And for those that do pitch in, it is still up to their employees to decide for themselves whether or not to seek the health care that they - not their employers - choose to be right for them.  Christian Scientists don't believe in medications or blood transfusions.  Some religions tout faith healing.  Should we really be letting religions dictate what is or isn't medical care or is this a better job left to medical science?

If you're talking about paying personal taxes instead of corporations or religious groups, well, get in line behind the rest of us.  Personally, I found the entire Iraq War to be morally objectionable on almost every front yet I was forced to pay for it just like everyone else.  Where's my special exemption?


America (and the world at large) has PLENTY of ways to raise money for socialized medicine without forcing people to buy a product or be fined like a criminal,

Again, you aren't being treated like a criminal.  You are being taxed.  It's a power explicitly granted to our government.  If that makes you feel one way or another, that's your problem.


 or making a person of faith choice between their faith or getting fined like a criminal,

That's not happening either.  No one is making you get an abortion if you choose to sign up for health care.

The issue with the ACA is not that it is socialized medicine, the issue is that ACA is from its base up...unconstitutional and to pass such a law is IMO treason, plain and simple.

SCOTUS disagrees with you, but hey, what do they know?
 
2013-12-05 02:59:22 PM  
Persnickety:

There is no obligation whatsoever that employers provide health care coverage for their employees.


Ack!  Meant to put in the under 50 employees exclusion here.  Note that this means 96% of all employers are exempt from the mandate.
 
2013-12-05 03:54:15 PM  

The Envoy: Whatchoo Talkinbout: You're obviously deranged, you will get nowhere near me or my family's info, moron. You're heroes have failed you miserably, learn to deal with these things better. Now put your helmet on and take your meds. Welcome to ignore, dipshiat.

His request was simple and does not, in any way, jeopardise your anonymity if done correctly.   Pangeamanaged it above.  That you won't signifies that maybe you aren't being honest about the alleged impact on you.  You could have avoided that by posting anonymous information which corroborates your story.  Instead you retreated in to insult and then to the ignore list.  That only does one thing: makes the rest of us doubt your story even more.  So now you're either a liar or a troll, and one whose sole motivation is to stay in line with a particular ideology.  That (and the use of ignore) would be the intellectual cowardice referred to earlier.

Like he said: put up or shut up.  Now's the time because you've discredited yourself far better than anybody else could have done.  You're the only one who can rescue the situation now.


No more than you jackass, say hi to your friend in ignore-land. Stalker-troll elsewhere.
There is no 'rest of us' butthole, just you two.
 
2013-12-05 05:11:33 PM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: No more than you jackass, say hi to your friend in ignore-land. Stalker-troll elsewhere.
There is no 'rest of us' butthole, just you two.


Definitely everybody here sunshine.  The petulance and whiney responses only serve to confirm what we all think already.  I will slightly modify my opinion of you though.  Instead of a liar or a trolling adult, now I think you're a lying or trolling teenager.  Also:
i290.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-05 07:04:32 PM  
For those who want to compare plans before and after, by all means.  Select a state and let's be mature about it.  Maybe some states I have not looked at yet show some benefits for some people in some cases as a few people above have eluded to, so let's compare the options.
 
2013-12-06 03:57:18 AM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: Deucednuisance: Whatchoo Talkinbout: Give my personal information to a random internet jackass?

What "personal information"?  Are you high?

Insurance company name, rates, and coverage, not your address and social security number.  We're asking for publicly available stuff which doesn't identify you in any way.  People *do* shop for insurance, you know.  Put up or shut up.

To fail to do so, and to fail back on a patently absurd excuse, when plenty of others have already done so at no peril whatsoever is simple intellectual* cowardice.

(*I use the word "intellectual" at my peril, here, I know.)

The only thing I'm "in the bag" for is objectively verifiable facts.  And you're too gutless to provide any to back up your claims.

I wonder why.

How about this: what's your zip code?  I'll look up the exchange plans myself.

Because you're certainly behaving like you're full of i


You're obviously deranged, you will get nowhere near me or my family's info, moron. You're heroes have failed you miserably, learn to deal with these things better. Now put your helmet on and take your meds. Welcome to ignore, dipshiat.


or just pick and choose a number in the state you sneezed in one day.
 
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