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2013-12-04 02:24:24 PM

Whatchoo Talkinbout: I agree, one good story makes up for millions losing health care benefits.


You might try reading the article, it's tens of thousands of good stories, in just one reliably Red State.

As for your "millions", that's largely the result of insurance company scams:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/04/insurance-companies-obamaca re _n_4212552.html

There's plenty of further citation out there documenting this practice.

But I suspect you won't read any of them, since they contradict your narrative, which, by the way, is pretty darn suspect, when your claim of "doubling my health care costs" is such obvious hooey.

And if it is factual, then you're worse than a fool, you're a damn fool.

You can do better, and you won't even try, simply to maintain your outrage.

That's just sad.
 
2013-12-04 02:25:15 PM

Sudlow: The Democrats have been very open about the ACA being a stepping stone to single payer. I suspect the goal is to screw up healthcare so badly that going to single payer will look like an improvement, albeit a short term improvement.


What would be a long-term improvement? Going back to the way things were?
 
2013-12-04 02:25:30 PM

Weaver95: Lando Lincoln: Man, if only Romney had campaigned on repealing the ACA, then he would have won.

Clearly, Romney just wasn't conservative enough. The next GOP presidential candidtate will be more conservative than ever before. THAT will certainly win back the country!


Save, save the country..
 
2013-12-04 02:26:09 PM

meat0918: I suppose anything is possible, but the total sea change that would have to happen would rival the one that managed to get Prohibition into the Constitution.

And a lot of the health insurance plans I've seen already covers "Faith based medicine" in the form of naturopathic care, homeopathy (it's classified as medicine in America), and chiropractic care.


You are claiming that something wouldn't happen because it'd be as hard to do as something that really happened?

Here's a though experiment for you:  they passed a constitutional amendment to give the federal government the power to prohibit the sale, transportation and manufacture of alcohol.  They did this because it was understood that the constitution, as written, did not give the federal government this power.  (The amendment did not prohibit the consumption.  Interesting, huh?)

Then they found out that was stupid, and they passed the 21st amendment to repeal the 18th.

Thirty seven years later, the Controlled Substances Act is passed and Nixon declared the 'War On Drugs' and a series of laws are passed to prohibit the sale, possession and use of many recreational drugs, which up until then were taxed or (abusively) regulated.  No constitutional amendment was passed to give the federal government the power to prohibit these drugs.

You may think the bad stuff in health care will be hard to do, because you're thinking amend-the-constitution hard.  I'm thinking the bad stuff won't be that hard to do, given the right crisis that can be spun in the right way, because I'm thinking that would be constitution-means-what-politicians-say-it-means hard.  The ship has already sailed that would stop that.  Sailed, torpedoed and sunk by the USS Major Parties.
 
2013-12-04 02:26:35 PM

MyRandomName: Liberals have relied on voter ignorance of the bill.


How many watts is in that projector?
 
2013-12-04 02:29:02 PM

Lando Lincoln: What would be a long-term improvement?


Doing away with all but catastrophic insurance (for health, car, house, etc.), expecting people (and cities and businesses) to save money for hardships, and not bailing them out every time there is one.

But that's long long term improvement. Like two generations of people with their hands out at least.
 
2013-12-04 02:30:07 PM

Lord_Baull: mistrmind: DamnYankees: bdub77: Good for him. It's nice to see him and the Democrats finally start to show some spine.

But Christ it was a long time coming.

After the government shutdown, it's a little ludicrous to accuse the Dems of not having enough spine. Can we stop with this stupid meme? The problem with the Democrats isn't that they lack spine, it's that many of them just aren't very liberal.

No, they lack a spine as well as character.  Come to think of it, not many redeeming factors.


I wish they had the character of republicans, who want to dismantle Medicare and voted to let Congressmen continue insider trading.


You do know Medicare is rife with corruption?   Don't you?
God forbid someone protects the American citizen's best interest and hard earned money.
 
2013-12-04 02:31:53 PM
Odumber is just a lying sac of poop. Just go back to Kenya!
 
2013-12-04 02:32:24 PM

mistrmind: Lord_Baull: mistrmind: DamnYankees: bdub77: Good for him. It's nice to see him and the Democrats finally start to show some spine.

But Christ it was a long time coming.

After the government shutdown, it's a little ludicrous to accuse the Dems of not having enough spine. Can we stop with this stupid meme? The problem with the Democrats isn't that they lack spine, it's that many of them just aren't very liberal.

No, they lack a spine as well as character.  Come to think of it, not many redeeming factors.


I wish they had the character of republicans, who want to dismantle Medicare and voted to let Congressmen continue insider trading.

You do know Medicare is rife with corruption?   Don't you?
God forbid someone protects the American citizen's best interest and hard earned money.


The HealthCare industry itself is rife with corruption. We're the only country who doesn't know what the true cost of HealthCare is because from stem to stern, everything is inflated and corrupted. From the patients, to the healthcare workers, to the people passing laws on HealthCare.
 
2013-12-04 02:33:53 PM

MyRandomName: Lando Lincoln: Man, if only Romney had campaigned on repealing the ACA, then he would have won.

People were not aware of hoe much liberals were lying about the bill until recently.

It had been fun watching liberals claim the GOP isn't offering useful fixes despite the facts democrats have always voted down every fix offered: see Enzi's 2010 amendment to dull cancelations of policies.

Liberals have relied on voter ignorance of the bill. Now that people are being affected, the support for ACA is dropping like a rock.

You can't benefit 10% of the population by harming 50%. That is not politically a good idea. SS and Medicare never harmed one group more than others, ACA does. Latest estimates are 10% will have lowered payments at the expense of 40% of the population. That 40% is a tad more than the evil 1% liberals rely on railing against.


I LOL'ed
 
2013-12-04 02:35:51 PM

Deep Contact: Odumber is just a lying sac of poop. Just go back to Kenya!


Oh thank FSM the intelligentsia has arrived.

Get off your Dad's PC kid.
 
2013-12-04 02:38:25 PM

Trid_Kicker: And this just in: Vermont.

The result will be healthcare that's "a right and not a privilege," Gov. Peter Shumlin said.



A right? Even for the poors? We don't cotton to that around here, boy.
 
2013-12-04 02:39:10 PM

Weatherkiss: The Martian Manhandler: DamnYankees: blugenes: a lot of providers are now considering leaving the medical field or retiring early because of it

LOL sure

My Father-in-Law busted out this exact same statement at Thanksgiving. It must be a Fox News talking point... I told him that I'd believe it when I saw it.

It's true. People who devote themselves to healing other people and pay large sums of money in education costs would rather see their patients and future patients suffer and die over a political point than continue their career and get paid.


That's almost verbatim what I said to my Father-in-Law, except maybe a little more incredulously.
 
2013-12-04 02:41:03 PM

mjones73: hugram: Trolls on this thread. "We hate Obamacare... That's why we voted for the guy who implemented Romneycare."

Romney had to do something drastic in Massachusetts because their insurance market was so farked up, it wasn't an answer for the whole country...


Oh really?  30-31 seconds.  "If we can do that nationally..."
 
2013-12-04 02:42:33 PM

Onkel Buck: So its basically "If you like your healthcare plan you can keep it" all over again?


This was a mistranslation.  In the Latin, it was not "If you like your plan, you can keep it"
it was
"If I like your plan you can keep it."    muauauahahahah...........    engage the gravity drive

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-12-04 02:49:04 PM
Now if a friend can just finally prove to the healthcare automated site that he does not make 27,000 a year. Which he doesn't. He won't have to pay 175 a month that he doesn't have for health insurance the government wants everyone to have. 

Of course, if he stops eating, paying for gas, and stops helping his parents pay the bills thereby causing them to throw him out on the street. Because that's how they roll.  Then he probably won't need it in a few months since he'll be dead from starvation.
 
2013-12-04 02:49:38 PM

The Martian Manhandler: Weatherkiss: The Martian Manhandler: DamnYankees: blugenes: a lot of providers are now considering leaving the medical field or retiring early because of it

LOL sure

My Father-in-Law busted out this exact same statement at Thanksgiving. It must be a Fox News talking point... I told him that I'd believe it when I saw it.

It's true. People who devote themselves to healing other people and pay large sums of money in education costs would rather see their patients and future patients suffer and die over a political point than continue their career and get paid.

That's almost verbatim what I said to my Father-in-Law, except maybe a little more incredulously.


Well if what your Father-in-Law says is true, this means I can quit my job busting my ass doing 12 hour shifts at the hospital and the GOP will pay off my student loans and will pay me to be unemployed, right?
 
2013-12-04 02:50:52 PM

47 is the new 42: mjones73: hugram: Trolls on this thread. "We hate Obamacare... That's why we voted for the guy who implemented Romneycare."

Romney had to do something drastic in Massachusetts because their insurance market was so farked up, it wasn't an answer for the whole country...

Oh really?  30-31 seconds.  "If we can do that nationally..."


Facts don't matter to him.
 
2013-12-04 02:55:31 PM
Lando Lincoln

"What would be a long-term improvement? Going back to the way things were?

The big one would have let insurance companies sell insurance across state lines. Not having 50 different plans would have simplified things.
 
2013-12-04 02:55:58 PM

jst3p: 47 is the new 42: mjones73: hugram: Trolls on this thread. "We hate Obamacare... That's why we voted for the guy who implemented Romneycare."

Romney had to do something drastic in Massachusetts because their insurance market was so farked up, it wasn't an answer for the whole country...

Oh really?  30-31 seconds.  "If we can do that nationally..."

Facts don't matter to him.


You're right.  Fact don't matter to modern-day Republi-cons.
 
2013-12-04 03:03:35 PM

cwolf20: Now if a friend can just finally prove to the healthcare automated site that he does not make 27,000 a year. Which he doesn't. He won't have to pay 175 a month that he doesn't have for health insurance the government wants everyone to have. 

Of course, if he stops eating, paying for gas, and stops helping his parents pay the bills thereby causing them to throw him out on the street. Because that's how they roll.  Then he probably won't need it in a few months since he'll be dead from starvation.


Have your friend call the 800 number
 Here's the link to that info https://www.healthcare.gov/contact-us/.
 
2013-12-04 03:03:36 PM

Sudlow: The big one would have let insurance companies sell insurance across state lines. Not having 50 different plans would have simplified things.


Okay, it would have been simpler, but simpler is not the same as "better."
 
2013-12-04 03:14:25 PM

Deucednuisance: Whatchoo Talkinbout: I agree, one good story makes up for millions losing health care benefits.

You might try reading the article, it's tens of thousands of good stories, in just one reliably Red State.

As for your "millions", that's largely the result of insurance company scams:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/04/insurance-companies-obamaca re _n_4212552.html

There's plenty of further citation out there documenting this practice.

But I suspect you won't read any of them, since they contradict your narrative, which, by the way, is pretty darn suspect, when your claim of "doubling my health care costs" is such obvious hooey.

And if it is factual, then you're worse than a fool, you're a damn fool.

You can do better, and you won't even try, simply to maintain your outrage.

That's just sad.


The likely story is that it was his employer who doubled his insurance premium from $40 a month to $80 a month. I'm sure they included a nice letter to all their employees stating that "Thanks to the passage of Obamacare we will be reducing our employer obligation by half."

A lot of employers did that... but don't let the wording fool you, "My insurance premiums DOUBLED!!!" So did mine, I went from $35 a month to $70...

Truth is, the premium didn't double, my employer opted for paying less on their part because the government said it was OK that they could...
 
2013-12-04 03:34:08 PM

Smeggy Smurf: meat0918: Smeggy Smurf: Theaetetus: Why would the GOP want to repeal the ACA? It's free money for insurance companies, as well as providing a boogeyman to help them get the vote out.

Because some of them know about this little thing called the T-4 program.  In the hands of a despot socialized medicine is a terrible weapon.

You know who else....

You got it.  Now let's go really scary.  Imagine if the Rapeublicans were running your healthcare.  Picture abstinence only birth control mandated for the next 4 years.  Faith based antibiotics.  Mandatory quarterly drug screening for everybody.  That should scare the shiat out of anybody and yet it's not impossible to see it happening.  Yet you assholes are gleefully handing the possibility of that over to people that only see you as an open pocketbook and potential threat.


Mandatory drug testing for anyone on welfare also.
While we're at it, lets make anyone on welfare put in at least 20 hours a week community service. Hi way trash, whatever..

I'd vote for that
 
2013-12-04 03:39:48 PM
I guess I'll be the one to point out that the ACA was not ruled constitutional, and in fact the requirement that you purchase insurance was point blank ruled unconstitutional.
The penalty for not doing so, however, was ruled a tax and taxation is within the powers of Congress. The SCOTUS did not say whether the ACA was right or wrong, just that Congress could proceed.

Leaving aside the very real challenge of a tax bill originating in the wrong place, even if done under a "shell bill", it still will be challenged once people are required to pay this "tax", since you can't challenge a tax until you're required to pay it.
 
2013-12-04 03:43:18 PM

Trid_Kicker: mjones73: meat0918: Yes, please proceed on running on the promise of taking away the guarantee of health insurance.

You mean health insurance you're forced to have or pay a fine over?

Like the car insurance I'm forced to have or lose my license over?

Like the homeowner's insurance I'm forced to pay or lose my house over?

Like the liability insurance my doctor's forced to pay or lose his practice over?

Well, I can see your point.  Having to buy insurance has ruined driving, housing, and pre-Obamacare medicine.  I'm convinced.


Are you being serious?

If you don't own a car, you don't have to buy car insurance.

If you don't own a house or have it paid off, you can choose not to have house insurance.

If you are breathing, you have to buy health insurance.  No exceptions.
 
2013-12-04 03:50:44 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Phinn: What Obama should have done, and which a future government will need to do, is sever the connection between employment and insurance, which will in turn mostly eliminate insurance as the primary means of paying for ordinary, routine care, which only increases the cost.

Funny, that's what a single payer system is meant to do.


Yes, the elimination of insurance (and therefore also of employment-tied insurance), is one of the results of government-payer.

And, to be fair, one of the good results.

Unfortunately, it also inevitably causes a lot of other problems that are far worse in the long run. When you sever the connection between production decisions and consumer decisions, the producers orient themselves to the preferences of the one that pays -- the government. The providers then have no way of knowing how to efficiently meet consumer preferences, because the consumer doesn't pay, and can only refuse to use their services (or squawk a lot) to express their preferences.

That's why there's so little innovation in government-run industries, little or no interest in pleasing consumers, and escalating inefficiencies. Schools, prisons, Amtrak, utilities ... all the same phenomena of declining performance, increasing costs, and heavy resistance to innovation.
 
2013-12-04 03:55:11 PM

nmrsnr: Whatchoo Talkinbout: nmrsnr: Whatchoo Talkinbout: It sucked as a theory. It sucked as a rollout. It sucks as a product.

I'm sure it'll work out fine.

First of all, it's not a product. Second of all, which of these benefits would you like to take away from the American people:

1. No more preexisting condition exclusion
2. Kids can stay on until age 26
3. Closed Medicare "donut hole"
4. 85-15 rule for insurance providers, some people have actually gotten checks from their insurer
5. No lifetime caps on insurance


You forgot doubling my healthcare costs, but hey some eggs blah, blah, blah. No sale.

Again, firstly, healthcare is not the same as health insurance, and healthcare costs are rising at their slowest rate in 50 years.

Secondly, I'm sorry if your health insurance premiums have gone up, but depending on your circumstance you either a) can get a subsidy to help with that, or b) can look for a cheaper plan. If neither of those are possible for you, then we come to:

Thirdly, you didn't address the question, which of the above benefits would you like to take away from the American people in order to pay less for health insurance?



How badly must my family suffer to appease you? Fool.
 
2013-12-04 03:56:33 PM

Deucednuisance: Whatchoo Talkinbout: I agree, one good story makes up for millions losing health care benefits.

You might try reading the article, it's tens of thousands of good stories, in just one reliably Red State.

As for your "millions", that's largely the result of insurance company scams:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/04/insurance-companies-obamaca re _n_4212552.html

There's plenty of further citation out there documenting this practice.

But I suspect you won't read any of them, since they contradict your narrative, which, by the way, is pretty darn suspect, when your claim of "doubling my health care costs" is such obvious hooey.

And if it is factual, then you're worse than a fool, you're a damn fool.

You can do better, and you won't even try, simply to maintain your outrage.

That's just sad.



What's sad is the crap we were sold. And you aren't bright enough to see it. Damned jackass.
 
2013-12-04 03:57:14 PM

bluefox3681: Trid_Kicker: mjones73: meat0918: Yes, please proceed on running on the promise of taking away the guarantee of health insurance.

You mean health insurance you're forced to have or pay a fine over?

Like the car insurance I'm forced to have or lose my license over?

Like the homeowner's insurance I'm forced to pay or lose my house over?

Like the liability insurance my doctor's forced to pay or lose his practice over?

Well, I can see your point.  Having to buy insurance has ruined driving, housing, and pre-Obamacare medicine.  I'm convinced.

Are you being serious?

If you don't own a car, you don't have to buy car insurance.

If you don't own a house or have it paid off, you can choose not to have house insurance.

If you are breathing, you have to buy health insurance.  No exceptions.


No you don't. You just have to pay a tax penalty if you don't. Before the ACA, your irresponsible ass would just foist the bill onto the rest of us anyway when you wound up in the emergency room.
 
2013-12-04 04:00:48 PM

LordJiro: Before the ACA, your irresponsible ass would just foist the bill onto the rest of us anyway when you wound up in the emergency room.


You realize those bills are paid by funds from the state level or lower right?
 
2013-12-04 04:02:01 PM

cwheelie: "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian."
  - Henry Ford

You really want the IRS (the federal equivalent of the DMV) administering your healthcare plan?


The government isn't administering anyone's healthcare plan -- private, for-profit insurance companies are. But if course you knew that.
 
2013-12-04 04:02:03 PM

TheStag: I'm so sick of this shiat.  It's settled law, upheld by the Supreme Court.  I not a fan of it and thought something could be done within the free market.  The lawmakers of the country went a different route and based on election results, that's what most people wanted.  OK.  At this point, for the good of the country, stop this stupid bullshiat and put some energy into fixing shiat that's broken.  After a year of the ACA in place, get an understanding of what's broken and/or its unintended consequences and fix that  shiat too.


You're new here, right?  And by that, I mean - to America.
 
2013-12-04 04:07:08 PM

bluefox3681: Are you being serious?

If you don't own a car, you don't have to buy car insurance.

If you don't own a house or have it paid off, you can choose not to have house insurance.

If you are breathing, you have to buy health insurance. No exceptions.


No, you can opt out for religious reasons. If you don't ever plan to use Western medicine, if you will instead rely on your own religion's practices on health and healing, then you can opt out. In fact, you can probably opt out if you aren't religious but have no intention to ever use Western Medicine. And if that's the case, you should be able to opt out.

But if you ever plan to use the same medical system that I use, then yes, you should have to have insurance. It's your choice to see a doctor or go to the hospital, much like it's your choice to drive or own a home. And if you do, then you need to pay into the system.
 
2013-12-04 04:08:04 PM

Whatchoo Talkinbout: How badly must my family suffer to appease you? Fool.


I'll note your refusal to answer the question with a blatant attempt at deflection. But, to turn your question the other way: How badly must others suffer for you to save a few dollars?

Which of these things do you think Americans should forgo in order for you to save some money on your health insurance?

1. No more preexisting condition exclusion
2. Kids can stay on until age 26
3. Closed Medicare "donut hole"
4. 85-15 rule for insurance providers, some people have actually gotten checks from their insurer
5. No lifetime caps on insurance
 
2013-12-04 04:15:00 PM

nmrsnr: Whatchoo Talkinbout: How badly must my family suffer to appease you? Fool.

I'll note your refusal to answer the question with a blatant attempt at deflection. But, to turn your question the other way: How badly must others suffer for you to save a few dollars?

Which of these things do you think Americans should forgo in order for you to save some money on your health insurance?

1. No more preexisting condition exclusion
2. Kids can stay on until age 26
3. Closed Medicare "donut hole"
4. 85-15 rule for insurance providers, some people have actually gotten checks from their insurer
5. No lifetime caps on insurance


Number 2, please.
 
2013-12-04 04:25:03 PM

Avid Smoker: Number 2, please.


Okay, but that will raise the cost of your premiums, not lower it, because those healthy young 20-somethings who just got dropped from their parents' plans (who were paying for them) won't rush out to buy new plans with their meager incomes. And now that you've dropped the individual mandate and kept the "no preexisting condition exclusion" they'll just wait until they get sick or injured to sign up for health insurance.

So sure, that sounds like a good plan.
 
2013-12-04 04:27:08 PM

Avid Smoker: nmrsnr: Whatchoo Talkinbout: How badly must my family suffer to appease you? Fool.

I'll note your refusal to answer the question with a blatant attempt at deflection. But, to turn your question the other way: How badly must others suffer for you to save a few dollars?

Which of these things do you think Americans should forgo in order for you to save some money on your health insurance?

1. No more preexisting condition exclusion
2. Kids can stay on until age 26
3. Closed Medicare "donut hole"
4. 85-15 rule for insurance providers, some people have actually gotten checks from their insurer
5. No lifetime caps on insurance

Number 2, please.


I had number 2 until 23, while I was in college.  I'd be ok adding that caveat, at least half time enrollment in an accredited college or some sort of trade school program.

It helped a lot, since I did end up in the ER for food poisoning (dorm food FTL), and either way, my parents would have been paying for anything major if I hadn't had insurance.

It was just a good idea, since I was still pretty strapped for cash even though I was also working enough minimum wage hours to qualified for unemployment after the place I was working closed (who runs a BK in a college town into the ground, one that sits between frat row and bar row?!?!?), but they pulled it because "full time student" isn't "unemployed".

Try taking 12-15 credit hours and working an additional 30-40 hrs a week to help pay for said college.  It sucks.
 
2013-12-04 04:36:28 PM

meat0918: Try taking 12-15 credit hours and working an additional 30-40 hrs a week to help pay for said college. It sucks.


Sounds like you should've been born rich. Why didn't you do that? Just one, simple little thing that would've made your upbringing so much better, but you couldn't be bothered, could you? Lazy bastard.
 
2013-12-04 04:47:44 PM

Whatchoo Talkinbout: What's sad is the crap we were sold. And you aren't bright enough to see it. Damned jackass.


Tell me, did you even look at your state's exchange or the Federal exchange if you live in a state where spiteful republicans are actively trying to ruin their citizens' lives for some perceived political gain?

As bitter as you sound, I'm willing to bet it's the latter, and that you didn't because, reasons.
 
2013-12-04 05:58:39 PM
Reading between the lines, is Obama talking about ignoring the 22nd Amendment here?
 
2013-12-04 06:03:08 PM

Wyalt Derp: Reading between the lines, is Obama talking about ignoring the 22nd Amendment here?


According to the GOP, he ignores everything else in the Constitution so sure, why not?  Makes for another juicy partisan talking point.  Whether or not there's substance behind it is irrelevant.  The point is Obama is always sneaky, bad and wrong.
 
2013-12-04 06:05:55 PM

HAMMERTOE: Well GOP, it's been nice knowing you. Ever since Bush, you just haven't been the same. If you had a shred of intelligence whatsoever, you'd just shut up about the ACA and let people see for their selves. If it's really as bad ad you say, you'd let it do what it's going to do, and then let people would be flock to your banner by the millions, loudly pointing out how you tried to avert this disaster multiple times, and your political success would be assured. The fact that you aren't shutting up tells me that you fear the results, and what they stand to do to your already tenuous grasp to political power. I used to be proud to tell people I was a Republican voter. Then, I became educated and knowledgeable about how we judge others according to our own motives and methods. I also noticed that the GOP was doing nothing for anybody but the ultra-rich (who already don't really need any help.) Like it or not, your claim to be "the lesser of two evils" has been soundly torn from your liver-spotted grasp.

Your children will be delicious.


Grow up liar.
 
2013-12-04 06:06:39 PM

Persnickety: The point is Obama is always sneaky, bad and wrong.


You forgot to mention that he's bla***CARRIER LOST***
 
2013-12-04 06:33:44 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-12-04 06:41:58 PM

Deucednuisance: Whatchoo Talkinbout: What's sad is the crap we were sold. And you aren't bright enough to see it. Damned jackass.

Tell me, did you even look at your state's exchange or the Federal exchange if you live in a state where spiteful republicans are actively trying to ruin their citizens' lives for some perceived political gain?

As bitter as you sound, I'm willing to bet it's the latter, and that you didn't because, reasons.


Now I know I'm being trolled, nobody's that stupid.
 
2013-12-04 06:52:21 PM

meat0918: cwolf20


I passed it on.

However, one of the issues that causes him to prefer electronic over customer service is because he has a lack of patience.  I continually wish him luck on trying for the medical disability he's going for, as an example. A few issues tied with the lack of patience are mental and he admits it with proof.  Anything more than that I'm not saying.
 
2013-12-04 06:55:17 PM

MyRandomName: Lando Lincoln: Man, if only Romney had campaigned on repealing the ACA, then he would have won.

People were not aware of hoe much liberals were lying about the bill until recently.

It had been fun watching liberals claim the GOP isn't offering useful fixes despite the facts democrats have always voted down every fix offered: see Enzi's 2010 amendment to dull cancelations of policies.

Liberals have relied on voter ignorance of the bill. Now that people are being affected, the support for ACA is dropping like a rock.

You can't benefit 10% of the population by harming 50%. That is not politically a good idea. SS and Medicare never harmed one group more than others, ACA does. Latest estimates are 10% will have lowered payments at the expense of 40% of the population. That 40% is a tad more than the evil 1% liberals rely on railing against.


almost everything the republicans want to do do screw over 90% to help 1%, sooooo whatever man.
 
2013-12-04 07:38:07 PM
I was a conservative, but now I'm a liberal, give me MOAR free stuff and take care of me like a baby.

You can have whatever info you want and watch every mode I make also.

I don't know why I fought this, It's like being a child all over again
 
2013-12-04 07:38:22 PM

Whatchoo Talkinbout: Deucednuisance: Whatchoo Talkinbout: What's sad is the crap we were sold. And you aren't bright enough to see it. Damned jackass.

Tell me, did you even look at your state's exchange or the Federal exchange if you live in a state where spiteful republicans are actively trying to ruin their citizens' lives for some perceived political gain?

As bitter as you sound, I'm willing to bet it's the latter, and that you didn't because, reasons.

Now I know I'm being trolled, nobody's that stupid.


So you didn't check.
 
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