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2013-12-04 09:52:05 AM  
Like they weren't going to hold another 10 votes on it in 2014.  Or another this year.  I wonder how those gop lacrosse moms are going to like 6$ a gallon milk when they don't approve a farm bill this year.
 
2013-12-04 11:01:40 AM  
I was thinking these exact same words this morning, submitter...
 
2013-12-04 11:17:14 AM  
Good for him. It's nice to see him and the Democrats finally start to show some spine.

But Christ it was a long time coming.
 
2013-12-04 11:22:18 AM  
Man, if only Romney had campaigned on repealing the ACA, then he would have won.
 
2013-12-04 11:37:53 AM  
And every month that goes by, another couple hundred thousand people enroll.  Which will force the GOP to campaign on canceling coverage for people, mostly middle class.

At that point, the attack ads basically write themselves.
 
2013-12-04 11:45:04 AM  

Lando Lincoln: Man, if only Romney had campaigned on repealing the ACA, then he would have won.


Clearly, Romney just wasn't conservative enough. The next GOP presidential candidtate will be more conservative than ever before. THAT will certainly win back the country!
 
2013-12-04 12:00:41 PM  
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Not conservative enough for the GOP
 
2013-12-04 12:25:08 PM  

bdub77: Good for him. It's nice to see him and the Democrats finally start to show some spine.

But Christ it was a long time coming.


After the government shutdown, it's a little ludicrous to accuse the Dems of not having enough spine. Can we stop with this stupid meme? The problem with the Democrats isn't that they lack spine, it's that many of them just aren't very liberal.
 
2013-12-04 12:29:39 PM  

DamnYankees: bdub77: Good for him. It's nice to see him and the Democrats finally start to show some spine.

But Christ it was a long time coming.

After the government shutdown, it's a little ludicrous to accuse the Dems of not having enough spine. Can we stop with this stupid meme? The problem with the Democrats isn't that they lack spine, it's that many of them just aren't very liberal.


Yep.
 
2013-12-04 12:36:15 PM  
So its basically "If you like your healthcare plan you can keep it" all over again?
 
2013-12-04 12:36:38 PM  

DamnYankees: bdub77: Good for him. It's nice to see him and the Democrats finally start to show some spine.

But Christ it was a long time coming.

After the government shutdown, it's a little ludicrous to accuse the Dems of not having enough spine. Can we stop with this stupid meme? The problem with the Democrats isn't that they lack spine, it's that many of them just aren't very liberal.


No, they lack a spine as well as character.  Come to think of it, not many redeeming factors.
 
2013-12-04 12:36:40 PM  
Someone must really like defeat.
 
2013-12-04 12:36:49 PM  
The thing is, selectively choosing who is exempt from the law isn't legal.  If the rapeublicans take the senate in 2014 they'll have grounds for impeachment for that.
 
2013-12-04 12:37:20 PM  

oldernell: Like they weren't going to hold another 10 votes on it in 2014.  Or another this year.  I wonder how those gop lacrosse moms are going to like 6$ a gallon milk when they don't approve a farm bill this year.


They'll just blame it on Obama.
 
2013-12-04 12:37:49 PM  
Subby misspelled "Obamacare."
 
2013-12-04 12:38:12 PM  
Yes, please proceed on running on the promise of taking away the guarantee of health insurance.
 
2013-12-04 12:38:13 PM  
Why would the GOP want to repeal the ACA? It's free money for insurance companies, as well as providing a boogeyman to help them get the vote out.
 
2013-12-04 12:38:22 PM  
It would have been repealed already if they didn't limit the nuclear option to judicial appointments only.
 
2013-12-04 12:39:44 PM  

oldernell: Like they weren't going to hold another 10 votes on it in 2014.  Or another this year.  I wonder how those gop lacrosse moms are going to like 6$ a gallon milk when they don't approve a farm bill this year.


They're already paying more than that for raw milk.
 
2013-12-04 12:40:24 PM  

Theaetetus: Why would the GOP want to repeal the ACA? It's free money for insurance companies, as well as providing a boogeyman to help them get the vote out.


Because some of them know about this little thing called the T-4 program.  In the hands of a despot socialized medicine is a terrible weapon.
 
2013-12-04 12:40:37 PM  

Weaver95: Lando Lincoln: Man, if only Romney had campaigned on repealing the ACA, then he would have won.

Clearly, Romney just wasn't conservative enough. The next GOP presidential candidtate will be more conservative than ever before. THAT will certainly win back the country!


Frankly, Mitt would probably be just as comfortable with a D behind his name. For all intents and purposes; both parties are the sock puppets of corporate America.
 
2013-12-04 12:41:28 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Theaetetus: Why would the GOP want to repeal the ACA? It's free money for insurance companies, as well as providing a boogeyman to help them get the vote out.

Because some of them know about this little thing called the T-4 program.  In the hands of a despot socialized medicine is a terrible weapon.


You know who else....
 
2013-12-04 12:41:29 PM  
"The only 'fix' is full repeal followed by step-by-step, patient-centered reforms that drive down costs and that Americans actually want."

You could do this with the law in place as it is now, you jerkwad. But you won't. Why is that?
 
2013-12-04 12:41:34 PM  
If I hear the phrase 'patient centered reform' again with no indication of what that actually means, I think I'm going to kill someone
 
2013-12-04 12:43:11 PM  

meat0918: Yes, please proceed on running on the promise of taking away the guarantee of health insurance.


You mean health insurance you're forced to have or pay a fine over?
 
2013-12-04 12:43:15 PM  
ACA Summary:
The Republicans will try to make sure it fails no matter how good it is.
The Democrats will try to make it succeeds no matter how bad it is.
No one will try to fix any problems it has to make it better.
 
2013-12-04 12:43:31 PM  

mistrmind: DamnYankees: bdub77: Good for him. It's nice to see him and the Democrats finally start to show some spine.

But Christ it was a long time coming.

After the government shutdown, it's a little ludicrous to accuse the Dems of not having enough spine. Can we stop with this stupid meme? The problem with the Democrats isn't that they lack spine, it's that many of them just aren't very liberal.

No, they lack a spine as well as character.  Come to think of it, not many redeeming factors.



I wish they had the character of republicans, who want to dismantle Medicare and voted to let Congressmen continue insider trading.
 
2013-12-04 12:43:32 PM  

mistrmind: DamnYankees: bdub77: Good for him. It's nice to see him and the Democrats finally start to show some spine.

But Christ it was a long time coming.

After the government shutdown, it's a little ludicrous to accuse the Dems of not having enough spine. Can we stop with this stupid meme? The problem with the Democrats isn't that they lack spine, it's that many of them just aren't very liberal.

No, they lack a spine as well as character.  Come to think of it, not many redeeming factors.


They may be Democrats but they are still politicians, so keep your expectations in check. :)

/gonna be a fun few years. . .
 
2013-12-04 12:43:47 PM  

mjones73: meat0918: Yes, please proceed on running on the promise of taking away the guarantee of health insurance.

You mean health insurance you're forced to have or pay a fine over?


Yeah that's the one.
 
2013-12-04 12:44:05 PM  

mistrmind: DamnYankees: bdub77: Good for him. It's nice to see him and the Democrats finally start to show some spine.

But Christ it was a long time coming.

After the government shutdown, it's a little ludicrous to accuse the Dems of not having enough spine. Can we stop with this stupid meme? The problem with the Democrats isn't that they lack spine, it's that many of them just aren't very liberal.

No, they lack a spine as well as character.  Come to think of it, not many redeeming factors.


Yep.  Those spineless cowards sure did lose badly during the Slimdown fiasco!

OWAIT.

/Seriously.  Did you even read the post you replied to?
 
2013-12-04 12:44:16 PM  
I have seen legislation passed by both parties that the opposition was opposed to.

I have never seen either party react like a petulant child that didn't get his way to this degree before.

GoP, you are not helping yourselves here. Your image is pretty broken already and this temper tantrum over Obamacare is making it worse. You guys really need to get your shiat together if you want to take the white house again.
 
2013-12-04 12:44:21 PM  

mistrmind: DamnYankees: bdub77: Good for him. It's nice to see him and the Democrats finally start to show some spine.

But Christ it was a long time coming.

After the government shutdown, it's a little ludicrous to accuse the Dems of not having enough spine. Can we stop with this stupid meme? The problem with the Democrats isn't that they lack spine, it's that many of them just aren't very liberal.

No, they lack a spine as well as character.  Come to think of it, not many redeeming factors.


No, see. we're talking about Democrats, not teatards
 
2013-12-04 12:44:32 PM  
So how long until the number of people enrolling exceeds the number of people having their insurance cancelled?
 
2013-12-04 12:44:35 PM  

Theaetetus: Why would the GOP want to repeal the ACA? It's free money for insurance companies, as well as providing a boogeyman to help them get the vote out.


They don't like the idea that their 1990s plan was signed into law by a Democrat. If they somehow return to power in both the legislation and the presidency, I am sure there will be a repeal of the ACA and a replacement plan that will resemble it, except (considering how today's Republicans are, compared to the 90s ones) it will allow companies to deny coverage upon preexisting conditions and be more of a handout to their campaign contributors like how Medicare Part D was originally crafted as a handout to Merck and other drug companies.
 
2013-12-04 12:44:48 PM  

Theaetetus: Why would the GOP want to repeal the ACA? It's free money for insurance companies,


That's the thing I don't get. Isn't this a huge boon for the big insurance companies? All those people that would be going without insurance because they are young and healthy, are now forced to buy coverage, or pay for the privilege of opting out.
 
2013-12-04 12:45:12 PM  

Theaetetus: Why would the GOP want to repeal the ACA? It's free money for insurance companies, as well as providing a boogeyman to help them get the vote out.


No kidding.  Have you seen the 3 year charts for insurance company stock prices?  I'm kicking myself for not buying more when I did.  A federal law that requires people to purchase a company's product.

I'm just waiting until the GOP suddenly realizes what a great idea this is and passes a similar law that requires every citizen over the age of 18 to own a firearm.  The firearms manufacturing industry would be in heaven.
 
2013-12-04 12:45:36 PM  

meat0918: Smeggy Smurf: Theaetetus: Why would the GOP want to repeal the ACA? It's free money for insurance companies, as well as providing a boogeyman to help them get the vote out.

Because some of them know about this little thing called the T-4 program.  In the hands of a despot socialized medicine is a terrible weapon.

You know who else....


You got it.  Now let's go really scary.  Imagine if the Rapeublicans were running your healthcare.  Picture abstinence only birth control mandated for the next 4 years.  Faith based antibiotics.  Mandatory quarterly drug screening for everybody.  That should scare the shiat out of anybody and yet it's not impossible to see it happening.  Yet you assholes are gleefully handing the possibility of that over to people that only see you as an open pocketbook and potential threat.
 
2013-12-04 12:45:37 PM  

iheartscotch: Weaver95: Lando Lincoln: Man, if only Romney had campaigned on repealing the ACA, then he would have won.

Clearly, Romney just wasn't conservative enough. The next GOP presidential candidtate will be more conservative than ever before. THAT will certainly win back the country!

Frankly, Mitt would probably be just as comfortable with a D behind his name. For all intents and purposes; both parties are the sock puppets of corporate America.


This too.
 
2013-12-04 12:46:41 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Theaetetus: Why would the GOP want to repeal the ACA? It's free money for insurance companies,

That's the thing I don't get. Isn't this a huge boon for the big insurance companies? All those people that would be going without insurance because they are young and healthy, are now forced to buy coverage, or pay for the privilege of opting out.


Opposition to the ACA has long, long, long gone past the point where it was rooted in any sort of ideological consistency. The opposition has only the barest of rationalizations at this point - the ACA is more liberal than what came before, because it redistributes money from the more-fortunate to the less-fortunate. That's it. That's where the opposition comes from. Trying to find specific things the ACA does which they hate is pointless. It all goes back to that,
 
2013-12-04 12:47:10 PM  

mjones73: meat0918: Yes, please proceed on running on the promise of taking away the guarantee of health insurance.

You mean health insurance you're forced to have or pay a fine over?


Problem: Millions of Americans can not get health insurance.

Solution: Obamacare

Farker: YOU MEAN NOW EVERYONE HAS TO HAVE INSURANCE?!?!

wtf?

mjones73, do you currently have health insurance?
 
2013-12-04 12:47:28 PM  

Mighty Aswan: ACA Summary:
The Republicans will try to make sure it fails no matter how good it is.
The Democrats will try to make it succeeds no matter how bad it is.
No one will try to fix any problems it has to make it better.


Annnnnd were done here.
 
2013-12-04 12:47:31 PM  
No problem, they'll just force a default and crash the economy. They've already failed to repeal the ACA 41 times in addition to taking the matter to the Supreme Court and running an election on it; these people are deranged and they will never accept no for an answer.
 
2013-12-04 12:47:47 PM  

Rosecitybeaver: If I hear the phrase 'patient centered reform' again with no indication of what that actually means, I think I'm going to kill someone


it's related to "common sense gun control measures"
 
2013-12-04 12:48:00 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Theaetetus: Why would the GOP want to repeal the ACA? It's free money for insurance companies,

That's the thing I don't get. Isn't this a huge boon for the big insurance companies? All those people that would be going without insurance because they are young and healthy, are now forced to buy coverage, or pay for the privilege of opting out.


On the day Obama was inaugurated, the Republicans had a meeting in which they decided they would oppose every one of Obama's initiatives, NO MATTER WHAT THEY WERE.
 
2013-12-04 12:48:26 PM  

jst3p: I have never seen either party react like a petulant child that didn't get his way to this degree before.



Link
 
2013-12-04 12:50:05 PM  

Dinjiin: Theaetetus: Why would the GOP want to repeal the ACA? It's free money for insurance companies, as well as providing a boogeyman to help them get the vote out.

No kidding.  Have you seen the 3 year charts for insurance company stock prices?  I'm kicking myself for not buying more when I did.  A federal law that requires people to purchase a company's product.

I'm just waiting until the GOP suddenly realizes what a great idea this is and passes a similar law that requires every citizen over the age of 18 to own a firearm.  The firearms manufacturing industry would be in heaven.


I don't think they really want to repeal it, they just want to be able to tell their rube constituents that they tried.

Remember when the Dems started voting "present" on the GoP created budget and the GoP was scared it was going to pass so they had to vote against it?
 
2013-12-04 12:50:36 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Theaetetus: Why would the GOP want to repeal the ACA? It's free money for insurance companies, as well as providing a boogeyman to help them get the vote out.

Because some of them know about this little thing called the T-4 program.  In the hands of a despot socialized medicine is a terrible weapon.


As if a despot would need socialised medicine for that. Doctors keeping records would be enough. Confiscate those and they'd be done. It would only take a day.
 
2013-12-04 12:50:44 PM  

Giltric: jst3p: I have never seen either party react like a petulant child that didn't get his way to this degree before.


Link


Oy. Because leaving the state in order to protect worker's rights is the same as saying NO! to  everything.
 
2013-12-04 12:51:33 PM  
Well GOP, it's been nice knowing you. Ever since Bush, you just haven't been the same. If you had a shred of intelligence whatsoever, you'd just shut up about the ACA and let people see for their selves. If it's really as bad ad you say, you'd let it do what it's going to do, and then let people would be flock to your banner by the millions, loudly pointing out how you tried to avert this disaster multiple times, and your political success would be assured. The fact that you aren't shutting up tells me that you fear the results, and what they stand to do to your already tenuous grasp to political power. I used to be proud to tell people I was a Republican voter. Then, I became educated and knowledgeable about how we judge others according to our own motives and methods. I also noticed that the GOP was doing nothing for anybody but the ultra-rich (who already don't really need any help.) Like it or not, your claim to be "the lesser of two evils" has been soundly torn from your liver-spotted grasp.

Your children will be delicious.
 
2013-12-04 12:52:57 PM  

Giltric: jst3p: I have never seen either party react like a petulant child that didn't get his way to this degree before.


Link


Close but not the same. This bill passed. They have held how many unsuccessful votes to repeal it? Votes they knew would be unsuccessful.
 
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