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(Mother Jones)   Remember how Democrats were running scared, ready to abandon Obama, join the GOP and repent of all their liberal sins before the eyes god and the angelic media trumpets of justice and truth? Well not so much it turns out   (motherjones.com) divider line 102
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2013-12-04 12:48:21 PM
Nope, don't remember that. I must be getting old.
 
2013-12-04 12:56:45 PM
The tyrant Obama has whipped his minions back into the fold.

Maybe next time they won't speak out against him.
 
2013-12-04 12:58:28 PM
If the number of delusional people start to outnumber the rest of us, are we the delusional ones?
 
2013-12-04 12:59:43 PM
Who you trying to kid? Liberals don't believe in sin or God.
 
2013-12-04 01:00:07 PM
memecrunch.com
 
2013-12-04 01:07:25 PM
Mother Jones

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2013-12-04 01:08:44 PM
Life is not kind to conservatives.
 
2013-12-04 01:11:50 PM

Gyrfalcon: Life is not kind to conservatives.


Truth and Facts aren't on good terms with them either.
 
2013-12-04 01:13:12 PM

mgshamster: The tyrant Obama has whipped his minions back into the fold.

Maybe next time they won't speak out against him.


I don't know about you, but there were 20 brown shirts in my office last week.
 
2013-12-04 01:15:02 PM

Skarekrough: Gyrfalcon: Life is not kind to conservatives.

Truth and Facts aren't on good terms with them either.


Reality has a well-known liberal bias.
 
2013-12-04 01:17:23 PM

Kangaroo_Ralph: Mother Jones

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Still haven't recovered from the 47% video, eh?
 
2013-12-04 01:23:52 PM
No, no one remembers that.
 
2013-12-04 01:28:33 PM

Kangaroo_Ralph: Mother Jones

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Yeah, let's go to Breitbart or FOX where they present Conservative Facts to Make You Feel Better™
 
2013-12-04 01:30:40 PM
I am guessing this is the follow-up to the two Jonah Goldberg articles where he fantasized about Libs seeing the flaws in their thinking and repenting.
 
2013-12-04 01:41:56 PM

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Kangaroo_Ralph: Mother Jones

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Yeah, let's go to Breitbart or FOX where they present Conservative Facts to Make You Feel Better™


Come on. Give the guy a break. They use those big words at Mother Jones.
 
2013-12-04 01:54:04 PM

Chakro: Who you trying to kid? Liberals don't believe in sin or God.


and we're much happier for it too
 
2013-12-04 02:20:57 PM

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Kangaroo_Ralph: Mother Jones

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Yeah, let's go to Breitbart or FOX where they present Conservative Facts "Facts" to Make You Feel Better™


The path of the modern conservative is a difficult one- to insulate yourself from every facet of modern understanding and without pause resist the notion that you could ever be wrong. Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will. To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
 
2013-12-04 02:21:14 PM
Me neither.
 
2013-12-04 02:21:29 PM
Yes there were plenty of people around who thought Obamacare "failed" because the web site did not work as well as it should have. The entire law was "wrong" because of that.

There are cowards. And then there are politicians. Particularly too many liberal politicians. For every Elizabeth Warren or Alan Grayson we have about fifty timorous pantywaists afraid of Fox News.

I'll give this to the GOP: I vote on issues so I usually come in on the Democratic party side, but if I were voting for steadfastness of ideology and complete unconcern for the consequences of it I would vote straight GOP.
 
2013-12-04 02:31:26 PM

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Kangaroo_Ralph: Mother Jones

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Yeah, let's go to Breitbart or FOX where they present Conservative Facts to Make You Feel Better™


You do realize this only reinforces the stereotype that liberals consider people who agree with them as "subhuman", right?

Eat a salad.
 
2013-12-04 02:35:04 PM
I was sick that day.
 
2013-12-04 02:35:44 PM

rjakobi: Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Kangaroo_Ralph: Mother Jones

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Yeah, let's go to Breitbart or FOX where they present Conservative Facts to Make You Feel Better™

You do realize this only reinforces the stereotype that liberals consider people who agree with them as "subhuman", right?

Eat a salad.


It'd be easier if most conservative positions weren't taught in 200 level Primatology classes.
 
2013-12-04 02:42:05 PM

Kangaroo_Ralph: Mother Jones

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Too many big words?
 
2013-12-04 02:46:35 PM

simplicimus: Nope, don't remember that.


Here you go:

The primary rule of politics and the primary rule of medicine are always the same: First, do no harm. But on Thursday, President Barack Obama scrambled to stop the political bleeding among congressional Democrats in full panic over the disastrous rollout of the Affordable Care Act.

With the 2014 elections on the horizon and millions of Americans getting notices that their health-insurance plans have been canceled because of the new law, Democrats have become furious that the legislation many consider their crowning achievement is fast becoming a political liability because of its chaotic implementation by the administration.

"It's an absolute disaster and a disgrace, quite frankly," said Rep. Ron Barber (D-AZ). "We never should have had this happen, this series of issues. It's just absurd."

Barber said he thought a lot of Democrats were as concerned as he, and he was right.

"This has been a complete embarrassment, no matter what party you are," said Rep. Patrick Murphy (D-FL). "The focus needs to be how you get this right."

With no concrete plans from the White House by Wednesday, a slew of Democrats began taking matters into their own hands. Several, including Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA), introduced legislation to change or delay pieces of the law, while many more said they would vote Friday for a Republican measure from Rep. Fred Upton (R-MI) dubbed, "If You Like It, Keep It." Upton said his bill would let people keep the insurance they had been dropped from in recent weeks, despite the president's promises that they could keep their plans if they liked them.

Obama addressed worried Democrats directly on Thursday, announcing a one-year extension for the health plans that had been canceled, and acknowledging the trouble that the botched rollout is causing many in his party, who passed the bill at his behest and are now suffering the political consequences for the way he has overseen its implementation.
 
2013-12-04 03:05:14 PM

Kangaroo_Ralph: Mother Jones

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Normally I'd respect that, but the article is about what Democrats are thinking and doing, so a left-wing source is appropriate.  I wouldn't stop-reading-there a WND article if the subject was what the Tea Party was up to, for example.
 
2013-12-04 03:28:41 PM

Kangaroo_Ralph: Mother Jones

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But you'll read Townhall all day like a boss, I'll bet.

Your knucklechildren probably have three heads and four tails each.
 
2013-12-04 03:31:47 PM

BullBearMS: simplicimus: Nope, don't remember that.

Here you go:

The primary rule of politics and the primary rule of medicine are always the same: First, do no harm. But on Thursday, President Barack Obama scrambled to stop the political bleeding among congressional Democrats in full panic over the disastrous rollout of the Affordable Care Act.

With the 2014 elections on the horizon and millions of Americans getting notices that their health-insurance plans have been canceled because of the new law, Democrats have become furious that the legislation many consider their crowning achievement is fast becoming a political liability because of its chaotic implementation by the administration.

"It's an absolute disaster and a disgrace, quite frankly," said Rep. Ron Barber (D-AZ). "We never should have had this happen, this series of issues. It's just absurd."

Barber said he thought a lot of Democrats were as concerned as he, and he was right.

"This has been a complete embarrassment, no matter what party you are," said Rep. Patrick Murphy (D-FL). "The focus needs to be how you get this right."

With no concrete plans from the White House by Wednesday, a slew of Democrats began taking matters into their own hands. Several, including Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA), introduced legislation to change or delay pieces of the law, while many more said they would vote Friday for a Republican measure from Rep. Fred Upton (R-MI) dubbed, "If You Like It, Keep It." Upton said his bill would let people keep the insurance they had been dropped from in recent weeks, despite the president's promises that they could keep their plans if they liked them.

Obama addressed worried Democrats directly on Thursday, announcing a one-year extension for the health plans that had been canceled, and acknowledging the trouble that the botched rollout is causing many in his party, who passed the bill at his behest and are now suffering the political consequences for the way he has overseen its implementation.


A slew of democrats?  Well that MEANS something.

Try again, ace.
 
2013-12-04 03:38:44 PM

Evil High Priest: Kangaroo_Ralph: Mother Jones

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Too many big words?


Con-ser-va-tive has more syllables than li-ber-rul so they're smarter and such as.
 
2013-12-04 03:50:07 PM
You know how big business could have sabotaged Obamacare? They could have offered workers healthcare. Simple as that.
 
2013-12-04 03:54:54 PM

BullBearMS: simplicimus: Nope, don't remember that.

Here you go:

The primary rule of politics and the primary rule of medicine are always the same: First, do no harm. But on Thursday, President Barack Obama scrambled to stop the political bleeding among congressional Democrats in full panic over the disastrous rollout of the Affordable Care Act.

With the 2014 elections on the horizon and millions of Americans getting notices that their health-insurance plans have been canceled because of the new law, Democrats have become furious that the legislation many consider their crowning achievement is fast becoming a political liability because of its chaotic implementation by the administration.

"It's an absolute disaster and a disgrace, quite frankly," said Rep. Ron Barber (D-AZ). "We never should have had this happen, this series of issues. It's just absurd."

Barber said he thought a lot of Democrats were as concerned as he, and he was right.

"This has been a complete embarrassment, no matter what party you are," said Rep. Patrick Murphy (D-FL). "The focus needs to be how you get this right."

With no concrete plans from the White House by Wednesday, a slew of Democrats began taking matters into their own hands. Several, including Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA), introduced legislation to change or delay pieces of the law, while many more said they would vote Friday for a Republican measure from Rep. Fred Upton (R-MI) dubbed, "If You Like It, Keep It." Upton said his bill would let people keep the insurance they had been dropped from in recent weeks, despite the president's promises that they could keep their plans if they liked them.

Obama addressed worried Democrats directly on Thursday, announcing a one-year extension for the health plans that had been canceled, and acknowledging the trouble that the botched rollout is causing many in his party, who passed the bill at his behest and are now suffering the political consequences for the way he has overseen its implementation.


All the same biased website spewing out biased claims. *yawn*
 
2013-12-04 04:08:27 PM
 
2013-12-04 04:11:11 PM
 
2013-12-04 04:17:21 PM

rjakobi: You do realize this only reinforces the stereotype that liberals consider people who agree with them as "subhuman", right?


The basic problem is that modern Conservatives thing the truth is whatever they want to believe and that facts are relative.  That makes arguing with them using reason and logic impossible.
 
2013-12-04 04:22:42 PM

BullBearMS: "If you're a Democrat running in an endangered seat who has supported" the Affordable Care Act, South said, "how can you defend this?"


This guy is a shiat Dem strategist then.  I would say that you work to separate the website from the act, the act is much bigger than the site.   Then you gather stories from your own district...  say someone who has a pre-existing condition that is now free to get treatment for their illness.  Maybe someone who went from working a job they hated to freelancing because they could now afford health insurance.  Someone who was uninsured, but is now able to afford it.

Refocus the rhetoric to the success of the plan and show that even under fire from right wing lies and distortions, it's important that you did what you did and voted the way you voted because you're concerned about the well being of your constituents and you know that being healthy is a neccessary first step to being productive and living the American dream.
 
2013-12-04 04:27:26 PM

BullBearMS: Zeppelininthesky: All the same biased website spewing out biased claims. *yawn*

Herpa, Derpa, do?

You think you can make recent history just go away?

President Obama's mea culpa and proposals to fix his health care overhaul Thursday didn't mollify California Democrats furious over the administration's botched rollout of its signature law, which they fear could dash their hopes of retaking the House and jeopardize the party in competitive races in the state.

"This is Obama's Katrina," said Democratic strategist Garry South, referring to the 2005 hurricane that inundated New Orleans and robbed then-President George W. Bush of much of his second-term credibility when his administration bungled the disaster response.

"If you're a Democrat running in an endangered seat who has supported" the Affordable Care Act, South said, "how can you defend this?"

Rep. Juan Vargas, D-San Diego, surveyed the damage and said, "Someone messed up. Someone's head ought to roll."

The harsh reaction came after Obama proposed changes that would let insurance companies offer customers the option of continuing with coverage that does not meet Affordable Care Act requirements.


That is like, 30 Obama Katrinas?

Because a non working website is just like thousands of people dying because Bush appointed someone who was not qualified to respond to a major emergency.
 
2013-12-04 04:31:18 PM
Here's some more recent events party shills would like to pretend never happened.

Senate Democrats vented their frustrations over the faulty rollout of the Affordable Care Act in a meeting Thursday with White House chief of staff Denis McDonough and other senior officials.

"There's a lot of frustration, everywhere," Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said after the meeting.

Democratic senators facing reelection in 2014 were some of the most vocal critics.

One lawmaker described Sens. Al Franken (D-Minn.) and Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) as visibly "agitated."

Shaheen demanded to know why the rollout of HealthCare.gov had become so riddled with problems.

Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.), who has spent more of his career in the private sector than in government, also weighed in forcefully, according to the source.

"I am not happy with the website. That is a pretty common thought that we all feel," Warner later told reporters.

"[People] are unhappy. We want to see improvements. They've got to let people know what they're doing, as they're doing it," Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) said.

"They hope to have good things to tell us as they get those fixes in place," Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) said. "I don't think there is confidence by anybody in the room. This is more of a 'show me' moment. We were all confident the system was going to be up and operating Oct. 1 and now we are not confident until it's real."

Lawmakers discussed a proposal by Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) to let people keep their health plans, even if they fall short of the requirements set under the new law, according to another lawmaker in the room.

Landrieu expects several Democrats to co-sponsor the proposal.

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) told reporters that he plans to sign onto Landrieu's bill.

Sen. Mark Pryor (D-Ark.), who faces a tough race next year, said he is in the midst of reviewing a draft.
 
2013-12-04 04:36:12 PM
 
2013-12-04 04:43:54 PM

BullBearMS: coeyagi: A slew of democrats?

Awww... You low on derp or something?

Thirty-nine House Democrats on Friday broke ranks to support a Republican bill that would allow health insurers to continue selling plans canceled under Obamacare through 2014, the first test of support on Capitol Hill since the law's disastrous rollout.

The House voted, 261-157, to pass the bill by Rep. Fred Upton (R-Mich.). It's a significant show of disloyalty to the White House, but House Democrats had expected the defections to be far higher before the Obama administration said Thursday that it would pursue an administrative fix to the cancellation problem.

That's after Obama proposed his own unilateral fix that did the same thing.



As usual, your use of copypasta in lieu of making an actual argument falls short of the mark and off-point.

Nothing you said fits within what subby said "Democrats were running scared, ready to abandon Obama, join the GOP and repent of all their liberal sins before the eyes god and the angelic media trumpets of justice and truth?" Nobody is abandoning anything.

Furthermore, you out yourself once again as a worthless contributor with no real goal beyond attacking things that aren't even being discussed. It should be a GOOD thing that members of a party are willing to both consider their constituents' views and make adjustments to previously passed bills to fix what they perceive as unforeseen problems. Ultimately that leads to better legislation.

One of the biggest potential failures of Obamacare, beyond the fact that Americans are too stupid to support a single-payer or government option, is that the all or nothing attitude in congress may result in none of the problems we run into being hammered out: One party will only support total destruction and doesn't want it to succeed, and the other may fear making any adjustments because it could easily be dishonestly twisted into an avenue of political attack.

For all your 'zomg bsrb' and 'everybody is serving the exact same masters look how horrible they are' schticks, one would think that you would favor members of a party having room to disagree.  Evidently not.
 
2013-12-04 04:48:54 PM

BullBearMS: This probably didn't ever happen either.

A month after emerging from a government shutdown at the top of their game, many Democrats in Congress newly worried about the party's re-election prospects are for the first time distancing themselves from President Barack Obama after the disastrous rollout of his health care overhaul

"Folks are now, I think in talking to members, more cautious with regard to dealing with the president," said Maryland Rep. Elijah Cummings, the senior Democrat on the House Oversight Committee and one of the first leaders in his state to endorse Obama's presidential candidacy six year ago.

Rep. William Lacy Clay, D-Mo., like Cummings, a prominent member of the Congressional Black Caucus who personally likes Obama, struggled to describe the state of play between congressional Democrats and the president.

"I am trying to think if you can call it a relationship at this point," he said.


Democrats are mad that the site broke, but still rally behind the ACA and the president.
 
2013-12-04 04:52:38 PM

Smackledorfer: Democrats were running scared, ready to abandon Obama, join the GOP


Herpa, Derpa, Do?

39 members of the House explicitly voted for a Republican bill that Obama publicly said would gut Obamacare by allowing new customers to sign up for cheaper grandfathered plans even if they had never purchased them in the past.

AFTER Obama put forward his own unilateral fix that allowed people to keep their plan for the same one year period as the House bill, but without allowing new customers access to cheaper plans.

All those Dems in the House voted with the Republicans and against Obama anyway.

So Democrats running scared and voting with the GOP is exactly what happened.
Your desire to play Winston Smith and erase history, notwithstanding.
 
2013-12-04 04:56:49 PM

coyo: Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Kangaroo_Ralph: Mother Jones

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Yeah, let's go to Breitbart or FOX where they present Conservative Facts to Make You Feel Better™

Come on. Give the guy a break. They use those big words at Mother Jones.


So, if Breitbart and Fox Nuisance stops telling lies about Democrats, Mother Jones and MSNBC can stop telling the truth about Republicans.  Fair enough?

/Apologies to Adlai Stevenson
 
2013-12-04 05:02:57 PM
Jesus, there's carrying water and then there's whatever BullBearMS is doing.
 
2013-12-04 05:02:59 PM

rjakobi: You do realize this only reinforces the stereotype that liberals consider people who agree with them as "subhuman", right?

Eat a salad.


Well, bless your heart.
I remember my Boobies.
 
2013-12-04 05:03:10 PM
 
2013-12-04 05:04:03 PM

BullBearMS: Smackledorfer: Democrats were running scared, ready to abandon Obama, join the GOP

Herpa, Derpa, Do?

39 members of the House explicitly voted for a Republican bill that Obama publicly said would gut Obamacare by allowing new customers to sign up for cheaper grandfathered plans even if they had never purchased them in the past.

AFTER Obama put forward his own unilateral fix that allowed people to keep their plan for the same one year period as the House bill, but without allowing new customers access to cheaper plans.

All those Dems in the House voted with the Republicans and against Obama anyway.

So Democrats running scared and voting with the GOP is exactly what happened.
Your desire to play Winston Smith and erase history, notwithstanding.


Typical teabagger, any dissent means the whole thing is wrong.
Same argument used by creationists, "scientists can't agree, therefor science is wrong."
I have no problem with democrats having their own ideas and opinions
I wish more republicans would too
 
2013-12-04 05:06:57 PM

BullBearMS: Smackledorfer: Democrats were running scared, ready to abandon Obama, join the GOP

Herpa, Derpa, Do?

39 members of the House explicitly voted for a Republican bill that Obama publicly said would gut Obamacare by allowing new customers to sign up for cheaper grandfathered plans even if they had never purchased them in the past.

AFTER Obama put forward his own unilateral fix that allowed people to keep their plan for the same one year period as the House bill, but without allowing new customers access to cheaper plans.

All those Dems in the House voted with the Republicans and against Obama anyway.

So Democrats running scared and voting with the GOP is exactly what happened.
Your desire to play Winston Smith and erase history, notwithstanding.


I think you're taking your exaggeration a bit too far. 39 House Dems voting with the Republicans hardly equates to "running scared, abandoning Obama and joining the GOP." The fact that they crossed party lines to casts votes that are (at least symbolically) damaging to the Administration is not insignificant, but the majority of Democratic voters still support the ACA and Obama's polling numbers, while steadily declining, still indicate support from liberals.
 
2013-12-04 05:17:51 PM
 
2013-12-04 05:20:24 PM

BullBearMS: Zeppelininthesky: Democrats are mad that the site broke, but still rally behind the ACA and the president.

[www.co-optimus.com image 500x272]

This isn't happening, man!

Quick, can you hear it? That creaking sound from Washington is the nerves of congressional Democrats in response to the political firestorm raging around Obamacare.

The botched rollout of the Affordable Care Act's vital new marketplaces, coupled with insurers notifying more than a million Americans that their policies were being canceled, raised questions about the administration competence and honesty in selling and implementing President Barack Obama's signature health care reforms.

Obama apologized on Thursday night in an interview with NBC and said unspecified steps would be taken to help those losing coverage.

However, some Democrats facing re-election battles next year are joining Republicans in calling for the administration to delay provisions of the 2010 law that survived a Supreme Court challenge last year.

Also...

Dwight_Yeast: The basic problem is that modern Conservatives thing the truth is whatever they want to believe and that facts are relative.

I think the Obama shills have proven over and over in this thread that it's not just the Conservatives doing this.


The problem with the dems is that their standard operating procedure is to take the troll bait.  And all the GOP does is troll.

So the GOP says "you are big government spendocrats!" And instead of pointing out that is a meaningless talking point, and that republicans' single policy goal is to give more tax cuts to the rich at the expense of everyone else, the Dems first instinct is to say "no - I'm not!"

All of this shiat about the bad ACA rollout needs to be countered by the dems.  Their theme here needs to be "the ACA is a big change - it has some problems now but it will work, and also look at all of these people who are much better off under the ACA already?  stop freaking out everyone.  By the way, the GOP may not like the ACA, but they have absolutely no plan of their own.  They want to just roll back everything, and leave you all at the mercy of big insurance companies.  They have no plan to improve health care in this country, and want to make it much, much worse for the vast majority of Americans."

Instead, you get bed wetting types that lack the fortitude to stand behind their own policy.

That said, I think that the whole "OMG Dems are panicking and falling apart" narrative is a heaping load of bullshiat.  It's ridiculous that CNN and other outlets are so ready to parrot GOP talking points, so long as there is a "controversy" to report.
 
2013-12-04 05:20:36 PM
When did republicans become automatons?
They even have a name for other republicans that differ from the main party line (RINOs).
Next, they really need some neat uniforms:
wallpaperswa.com

Don't they realize? "Descent the highest form of patriotic."
 
2013-12-04 05:24:45 PM
Oh yeah - and most of the problem with the dems is that they're corrupted by the political money flowing into our broken system too.

So instead of enacting the simple, rational, sound policy choice of expanding medicare (so that we have a universal single payer system), they ran with the not nearly as good Heritage foundation/romneycare model.  Why?  well there are some very big special interests that made damn sure that they killed the idea of single payer (which would remove their ability to be a drain on our economy), and even blocked the public option from going through.

Heaven forbid we allow the government to offer health insurance and see whether private insurance can compete.  The answer is that they can't.  Just ask any old person whether they would rather give up medicare and get subsidized private insurance instead.
 
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