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2013-12-04 08:30:15 AM  
A mercenary? That's a bit dramatic, is it not?


But at least we're left with this amusement: the Yankees are now resigned to raiding the Red Sox for players with championship pedigrees.

LOL OK. Like you haven't tried it before.
 
2013-12-04 08:35:26 AM  
They have been killing him for years.
 
2013-12-04 08:38:09 AM  

mainstreet62: A mercenary? That's a bit dramatic, is it not?


But at least we're left with this amusement: the Yankees are now resigned to raiding the Red Sox for players with championship pedigrees.

LOL OK. Like you haven't tried it before.


I took a quick look at recent World Series MVPs. The Sox signed two MVPs from previous teams, and the MVPs from their three victories didn't come up through their farm system.
 
2013-12-04 08:38:32 AM  
It's the Boston media. They always do this but the biggest hit piece I remember reading was by Dan Shaunessy, who basically trashed Nomar Garciappara. Dan became a mouthpiece for Red Sox ownership and had nothing positive to say about Nomar. I won't even read any more of his columns. I didn't click on the Globe link above because if it's trashing an ex-Boston player, I assume CHB has written it.
 
2013-12-04 08:42:40 AM  
Actually that was a fair assessment of his time at Boston, and half of it was spent dispelling the myth that Ellsbury was a "soft" player, so good on them for getting that right. Seriously trolltastic headline given that was one of the least frothy sports stories written about a Boston pro going to NYC, or vice versa.
 
2013-12-04 08:43:16 AM  

skinink: It's the Boston media. They always do this but the biggest hit piece I remember reading was by Dan Shaunessy, who basically trashed Nomar Garciappara. Dan became a mouthpiece for Red Sox ownership and had nothing positive to say about Nomar. I won't even read any more of his columns. I didn't click on the Globe link above because if it's trashing an ex-Boston player, I assume CHB has written it.


Is there anyone in the Boston media who isn't an insufferable tool?

/Bob Ryan is technically retired
 
2013-12-04 08:43:34 AM  

skinink: It's the Boston media. They always do this but the biggest hit piece I remember reading was by Dan Shaunessy, who basically trashed Nomar Garciappara. Dan became a mouthpiece for Red Sox ownership and had nothing positive to say about Nomar.


Well, it's a good thing Nomar was able to prove Shaughnessy and all those other haters wrong by having a phenomenal post-Boston career.
 
2013-12-04 08:46:22 AM  
Uh, that doesn't really seem like a hit piece to me.  Subby should read the article himself.
 
2013-12-04 08:46:50 AM  
Best contracts the Yankees have to pay out next year:

1    Alex Rodriguez   $29,000,000 - 4 more years
2    Vernon Wells    $24,642,857 - 1 more year
3    CC Sabathia    $24,285,714 - 2 more years
4    Mark Teixeira    $23,125,000 - 3 more years
5    Jacoby Ellsbury  $21,857,142 -7 more years

Best part, Vernon Well's is the cheapest, it's tied for 30th on the top sports contracts evar (link)
 
2013-12-04 08:49:33 AM  
I just heard it is the third highest contract for an OF ever.

Who is one and two?
 
2013-12-04 08:50:44 AM  
Gotta love Boston media act like they are the little guys who never sign high-priced free agents and that everyone on their roster is there not because the Red Sox pay them so well but because they are Boston.

Almost all pro athletes are "mercenaries".
 
2013-12-04 08:57:04 AM  
Typical Red Sox media. "He didn't resign with us?! Traitor!"

That said, the Yankees will be regretting that contract in 4 years.
 
2013-12-04 08:57:08 AM  

LessO2: Uh, that doesn't really seem like a hit piece to me.  Subby should read the article himself.


They called him a mercenary. Does that mean something different in your world?
 
2013-12-04 08:57:56 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Is there anyone in the Boston media who isn't an insufferable tool?

/Bob Ryan is technically retired


Tony Massarotti is one I can tolerate.


LessO2: Uh, that doesn't really seem like a hit piece to me.  Subby should read the article himself.


This.
 
2013-12-04 08:58:44 AM  

soopey: Best contracts the Yankees have to pay out next year:

1    Alex Rodriguez   $29,000,000 - 4 more years
2    Vernon Wells    $24,642,857 - 1 more year
3    CC Sabathia    $24,285,714 - 2 more years
4    Mark Teixeira    $23,125,000 - 3 more years
5    Jacoby Ellsbury  $21,857,142 -7 more years

Best part, Vernon Well's is the cheapest, it's tied for 30th on the top sports contracts evar (link)


The Angels are paying part of Wells' contract, and, if the baseball gods are just, Arod will be banned from baseball and that contract will be null and void.
 
2013-12-04 09:02:40 AM  
I remember the Boston media arguing that Jose Iglesias would end up being a bust for the Tigers and that even when he was playing for Boston he wasn't as good as he seemed.
 
2013-12-04 09:03:38 AM  

mainstreet62: LessO2: Uh, that doesn't really seem like a hit piece to me.  Subby should read the article himself.

They called him a mercenary. Does that mean something different in your world?


They called him a mercenary and then shrugged and said "So what, there are always those guys, Damon was one before he ever signed with Boston", and they aren't wrong; Scott Boras' clients are notorious for being the money guys of the MLB pro community, and he had a lot of guys, not just in Boston. There are players who wait until the best possible moment and then apply whatever leverage they have in order to land the biggest contract, and that's fine, that's the market at work, but then there are people who decide to put down roots and play for one team as long as possible, and make a few concessions in order to do that. Ellsbury is one kind of ballplayer, Pedroia is another kind. There are also other types of players not mentioned: Guys who chase HOF stats/records and pick teams to help them achieve those goals, and guys who want to get one or more world championship rings, and allow their goals to dictate their contracts.
 
2013-12-04 09:03:54 AM  

fatalvenom: Tony Massarotti is one I can tolerate.


Toucher and Rich are good in a the morning drive time sort of way.

And Mazz is on a show with Felger so he can fark off.
 
2013-12-04 09:04:10 AM  
If this is considered destroying someone or tearing someone down, baseball nerds must have some thin skin.
 
2013-12-04 09:15:34 AM  

deadsanta: Scott Boras


See, I don't understand how sports writers won't admit that HE is the problem, not the players.  I know it's his job and all, but he's still the one whom I look to as the greatest evil in these situations.  He's screwed so many teams over in the long run, and yet no one talks about him, like it's not his fault that they wanted retarded money or something.  He just puts the ideas in players' heads that they're worth so much more than what the market should be for them and then wreaks havoc on league payrolls.

More than anything else, HE is the one who people should hate in this situation.

\and as for Ellsbury himself, he's been a whiny biatch forever who just happens to produce when he's healthy. Not like we don't already have a giant log jam in the outfield anyway....
 
2013-12-04 09:22:47 AM  

FriarReb98: deadsanta: Scott Boras

See, I don't understand how sports writers won't admit that HE is the problem, not the players.  I know it's his job and all, but he's still the one whom I look to as the greatest evil in these situations.  He's screwed so many teams over in the long run, and yet no one talks about him, like it's not his fault that they wanted retarded money or something.   He just puts the ideas in players' heads that they're worth so much more than what the market should be for them and then wreaks havoc on league payrolls.

More than anything else, HE is the one who people should hate in this situation.

\and as for Ellsbury himself, he's been a whiny biatch forever who just happens to produce when he's healthy. Not like we don't already have a giant log jam in the outfield anyway....


The teams don't have to pay the play the players what they are asking if they think it is too much. It's called negotiation. Whether or not you think so, baseball is a business, and the players are employees of the business who's skills are only useful for a finite period of time. So of course the players are going to ask for as much as they can so they can make as much as possible in the limited amount of time they have in that business. I do not fault the players for asking for huge contracts, and I don't fault the agents for encouraging them to go after huge contracts. The fault lies with the management of the teams for giving in instead of negotiating down to a more reasonable contract.
 
2013-12-04 09:27:28 AM  
As they say in show bidness ..... break a leg!  Sorry I am a Sox fan and I do not wish he actually breaks a leg. A finger, toe or clavicle will do. Thanks Ells for your time in a Red Sox uniform.  I hope you play for them with as much enthusiasm and as much time on the DL as you had here. I always thought your gift was your speed on bases and I always thought that speed was waning.
 
2013-12-04 09:28:59 AM  

Snubnose: I always thought that speed was waning.


didn't he have the most stolen bases in the majors this year?
 
2013-12-04 09:30:34 AM  

Gunny Highway: fatalvenom: Tony Massarotti is one I can tolerate.

Toucher and Rich are good in a the morning drive time sort of way.

And Mazz is on a show with Felger so he can fark off.



I actually like Felger. But I didn't mention him because he plays the insufferable-douche card too well.

Most people can't stand that sort of thing, but since I'm an insufferable-douche myself...
 
2013-12-04 09:41:53 AM  

FriarReb98: deadsanta: Scott Boras

See, I don't understand how sports writers won't admit that HE is the problem, not the players.  I know it's his job and all, but he's still the one whom I look to as the greatest evil in these situations.  He's screwed so many teams over in the long run, and yet no one talks about him, like it's not his fault that they wanted retarded money or something.  He just puts the ideas in players' heads that they're worth so much more than what the market should be for them and then wreaks havoc on league payrolls.

More than anything else, HE is the one who people should hate in this situation.

\and as for Ellsbury himself, he's been a whiny biatch forever who just happens to produce when he's healthy. Not like we don't already have a giant log jam in the outfield anyway....



Oh I think there have been plenty of Evil Boras hit pieces and cartoons in Boston media and abroad. He's like the Jeremy Piven agent of baseball, the ultimate middleman. I think recently he lost a few high profile players from his agency, just because associating with him was becoming a negative to negotiating with certain teams, but no team has ever come out against him, he controls too much key talent.
 
2013-12-04 09:44:54 AM  

Whistling Kitty Chaser:  if the baseball gods are just, Arod will be banned from baseball and that contract will be null and void.


I think he's just going to get his 211 game suspension. Then he'll be owed the rest of his money for 2015( less 50 game checks), 2016, and 2017.

Yankees should just buy him. They're going to have to pay him his ~$85 Million anyways.
 
2013-12-04 09:51:15 AM  

Whistling Kitty Chaser: soopey: Best contracts the Yankees have to pay out next year:

1    Alex Rodriguez   $29,000,000 - 4 more years
2    Vernon Wells    $24,642,857 - 1 more year
3    CC Sabathia    $24,285,714 - 2 more years
4    Mark Teixeira    $23,125,000 - 3 more years
5    Jacoby Ellsbury  $21,857,142 -7 more years

Best part, Vernon Well's is the cheapest, it's tied for 30th on the top sports contracts evar (link)

The Angels are paying part of Wells' contract, and, if the baseball gods are just, Arod will be banned from baseball and that contract will be null and void.


Ha, no.  The "just" solution to the A-rod situation is that both sides actually follow the joint drug program, A-Rod does his 100 games as it very clearly says in the agreement, and then the contract continues.  There's nothing "just" about one side unilaterally getting to walk away from an agreement they made with their eyes wide open.
 
2013-12-04 09:51:27 AM  

EyeballKid: skinink: It's the Boston media. They always do this but the biggest hit piece I remember reading was by Dan Shaunessy, who basically trashed Nomar Garciappara. Dan became a mouthpiece for Red Sox ownership and had nothing positive to say about Nomar.

Well, it's a good thing Nomar was able to prove Shaughnessy and all those other haters wrong by having a phenomenal post-Boston career.


It was a character assasination piece, to put it simply. Yea, Nomar was such a shiatty person that since then the Sox have bought him back to Fenway for various ceremonies. And what does Nomar's post-Red Sox career have to do with someone claiming he was a clubhouse cancer, a problem player?
 
2013-12-04 09:55:12 AM  

soopey: Whistling Kitty Chaser:  if the baseball gods are just, Arod will be banned from baseball and that contract will be null and void.

I think he's just going to get his 211 game suspension. Then he'll be owed the rest of his money for 2015( less 50 game checks), 2016, and 2017.

Yankees should just buy him. They're going to have to pay him his ~$85 Million anyways.


Since we're already on the A-Rod topic, I don't see how anyone could possibly justify the 211 game suspension after reading the CBA (http://www.mlb.com/pa/pdf/cba_english.pdf) and Joint Drug Agreement (http://www.mlb.com/pa/pdf/jda.pdf).
 
2013-12-04 10:10:40 AM  

hulk hogan meat shoes: I remember the Boston media arguing that Jose Iglesias would end up being a bust for the Tigers and that even when he was playing for Boston he wasn't as good as he seemed.


Most of the fans in forums I frequent as a Sox fan realized they were trading away a generational talent in the field but were probably selling high on his bat.  Nuanced arguments abound on how to weigh a light offensive output with premium defensive skills, but you won't find those kinds of discussions within the Boston media.

The Boston media sucks and is all too often considered a mouthpiece for fan sentiment, which is laughable.  They appeal to the base sports fan, the mouth breather call-in show crank that gets his news from WEEI and the Globe (maybe the Herald if there's a stray copy in the men's room) and thinks anyone who knows a stat beyond wins and RBIs needs to get the hell back to his mom's basement.
 
2013-12-04 10:14:19 AM  

meanmutton: Since we're already on the A-Rod topic, I don't see how anyone could possibly justify the 211 game suspension after reading the CBA (http://www.mlb.com/pa/pdf/cba_english.pdf) and Joint Drug Agreement (http://www.mlb.com/pa/pdf/jda.pdf).


Why did Ryan Braun accept 65 games instead of 50?
 
2013-12-04 10:16:31 AM  

Whistling Kitty Chaser: soopey: Best contracts the Yankees have to pay out next year:

1    Alex Rodriguez   $29,000,000 - 4 more years
2    Vernon Wells    $24,642,857 - 1 more year
3    CC Sabathia    $24,285,714 - 2 more years
4    Mark Teixeira    $23,125,000 - 3 more years
5    Jacoby Ellsbury  $21,857,142 -7 more years

Best part, Vernon Well's is the cheapest, it's tied for 30th on the top sports contracts evar (link)

The Angels are paying part of Wells' contract, and, if the baseball gods are just, Arod will be banned from baseball and that contract will be null and void.


He shouldn't get banned from baseball. Nearly everyone in the majors is juicing (and has been for a long, long, long time). Why single him out?
 
2013-12-04 10:16:43 AM  

stevie1der: hulk hogan meat shoes: I remember the Boston media arguing that Jose Iglesias would end up being a bust for the Tigers and that even when he was playing for Boston he wasn't as good as he seemed.

Most of the fans in forums I frequent as a Sox fan realized they were trading away a generational talent in the field but were probably selling high on his bat.  Nuanced arguments abound on how to weigh a light offensive output with premium defensive skills, but you won't find those kinds of discussions within the Boston media.

The Boston media sucks and is all too often considered a mouthpiece for fan sentiment, which is laughable.  They appeal to the base sports fan, the mouth breather call-in show crank that gets his news from WEEI and the Globe (maybe the Herald if there's a stray copy in the men's room) and thinks anyone who knows a stat beyond wins and RBIs needs to get the hell back to his mom's basement.



Yeah this, I didn't have a single guy in my section (at Fenway) who wasn't going to miss watching Iglesias play. Every game had a highlight-reel worthy play, every single game. So his bat wasn't all that, so what, I fell like we should have found a way to ditch Will Middletalent and keep Iglesias, but I guess that wasn't in the cards.
 
2013-12-04 10:19:04 AM  
I'm a sox fan, and before the season even ended I had no issues with him leaving.

"Clubhouse cancer" was a good description; he's hurt all the time and when healthy is good for slightly above average fielding and hitting, and great base stealing speed(one of the first things to go with age). To top it all off, after the sox won game 7 he walked around with a big sour puss on.

Not sure when the Yanks will learn to stop handcuffing themselves to stars past their prime with long, expensive contracts that will never possibly be worth it in the later years, but it is great entertainment.
 
2013-12-04 10:34:29 AM  

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: I'm a sox fan, and before the season even ended I had no issues with him leaving.

"Clubhouse cancer" was a good description; he's hurt all the time and when healthy is good for slightly above average fielding and hitting, and great base stealing speed(one of the first things to go with age). To top it all off, after the sox won game 7 he walked around with a big sour puss on.

Not sure when the Yanks will learn to stop handcuffing themselves to stars past their prime with long, expensive contracts that will never possibly be worth it in the later years, but it is great entertainment.


Sorry they could not hear you they are too busy counting their championship rings!
 
2013-12-04 10:37:37 AM  

Whistling Kitty Chaser: if the baseball gods are just, Arod will be banned from baseball and that contract will be null and void.


The Yankees knew what they were getting when they reupped him to that ridiculous contract.  It's not like he wasn't a proven juicer before it.  If the baseball gods are just, the Yankees will lose out on a quarter billion like they should for trying to wreck baseball for everyone with their overzealous spending
 
2013-12-04 10:40:43 AM  

praymantis: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: I'm a sox fan, and before the season even ended I had no issues with him leaving.

"Clubhouse cancer" was a good description; he's hurt all the time and when healthy is good for slightly above average fielding and hitting, and great base stealing speed(one of the first things to go with age). To top it all off, after the sox won game 7 he walked around with a big sour puss on.

Not sure when the Yanks will learn to stop handcuffing themselves to stars past their prime with long, expensive contracts that will never possibly be worth it in the later years, but it is great entertainment.

Sorry they could not hear you they are too busy counting their championship rings!


You're either a spambot or live in some eastern bloc country. Nobody else would find that funny, much less worth the keystrokes.
 
2013-12-04 10:45:07 AM  

praymantis: Sorry they could not hear you they are too busy counting their championship rings!


I recently received the telephone call. It was the embodiment of the 1990s decade. They were phoning to ask if they might be able to obtain their joke about championships from you!
 
2013-12-04 10:46:50 AM  
Why would a professional athlete be anything but a "mercenary"?  Don't you work to make the most money you possibly can?

I don't really understand what the Yankees' plan is (assuming they have one, which they probably don't) but Ellsbury understands the business.  He's a contractor, he found someone interested in signing him to an agreeable contract.
 
2013-12-04 10:50:27 AM  
Did that writer seriously just crib a line from an Everclear song?
 
2013-12-04 11:05:48 AM  
Still not as awesome of a pay raise as Marylon Byrd from $700,000 to $8 Mil.
For a 4th farking OF at best.
 
2013-12-04 11:20:40 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: Why would a professional athlete be anything but a "mercenary"?  Don't you work to make the most money you possibly can?


No. Seriously, in other walks of life, when we compare

(A) the guy who picks his job based on a good fit, quality of life, good place to live, pleasant customer relationships, ability to help the organization advance, loyalty to those who helped train and develop him and, yes, a very good salary
with
(B) the guy who picks his job based on the absolute maximum salary,

most people will call (A) admirable and react to (B) with "well, if that's what you're into, OK I guess."
 
2013-12-04 11:35:57 AM  

Super Chronic: (A) the guy who picks his job based on a good fit, quality of life, good place to live, pleasant customer relationships, ability to help the organization advance, loyalty to those who helped train and develop him and, yes, a very good salary
with


I understand your point, and agree with it to a degree. But... c'mon. I've worked for non-profits a great deal in my idealistic earlier years and the concept of "helping the organization" didn't even enter my mind back then, and forget about it in the corporate world.
 
2013-12-04 11:39:44 AM  

flynn80: Still not as awesome of a pay raise as Marylon Byrd from $700,000 to $8 Mil.
For a 4th farking OF at best.


Ironically, Byrd also got nailed for PEDs in 2012, when his offensive numbers were on par with Neifi Perez.
 
2013-12-04 11:40:35 AM  
Big Stein has risen from the grave, it would appear.  What a ludicrous contract, at least on the back end.  That's not the kind of a deal you give to a guy who's missed as much playing time as Ells.

The best part is that it has a no-trade clause.  Like any other team would take that albatross of a deal!  Rumor has it that the Sox offered 6/120, I'm kinda meh on that.

So long, thanks for the free taco and the steals, good luck hitting third and don't mind the boos at Nouvelle Toilette when you don't hit .325/30/110.

/please be good JBJ
 
2013-12-04 11:44:14 AM  

WinoRhino: Super Chronic: (A) the guy who picks his job based on a good fit, quality of life, good place to live, pleasant customer relationships, ability to help the organization advance, loyalty to those who helped train and develop him and, yes, a very good salary
with

I understand your point, and agree with it to a degree. But... c'mon. I've worked for non-profits a great deal in my idealistic earlier years and the concept of "helping the organization" didn't even enter my mind back then, and forget about it in the corporate world.


Well, the analogy I had in mind for "helping the organization advance" was helping win games. Perhaps it's an imperfect analogy. Maybe that doesn't matter for most of us, but I think it does matter for players. Or at least I hope so.
 
2013-12-04 11:48:40 AM  

Super Chronic: most people will call (A) admirable and react to (B) with "well, if that's what you're into, OK I guess."


He's leaving a great city for another great city, and he's going to be paid substantially more than his previous employer was going to be willing to spend.

Sure, there are other factors, but he wasn't going to get anywhere close to $153M from Boston (mostly because it's an idiotic contract) and he'd have been an idiot to turn down that kind of money.

I really like my job, but if another company came along and promised me a long-term guaranteed job that came with an enormous increase in pay, I'd be out the door in 2 minutes.
 
2013-12-04 11:50:10 AM  

Super Chronic: Well, the analogy I had in mind for "helping the organization advance" was helping win games. Perhaps it's an imperfect analogy. Maybe that doesn't matter for most of us, but I think it does matter for players. Or at least I hope so.


It'll never matter as much as you hope it matters to them.  I'm not saying they don't care or that there aren't exceptions to the rule, but in general, we all care MUCH more than the players do.
 
2013-12-04 11:51:50 AM  
Cashman never could resist a Red Sox center fielder with a shiny new ring.
 
2013-12-04 11:53:12 AM  
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Cashman never could resist a Red Sox center fielder with a shiny new ring.
 
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