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(USA Today)   If you think an undefeated Ohio State team deserves to be in the national championship over a one-loss Auburn or Missouri SEC Champion, then you're an un-American traitor   (usatoday.com) divider line 314
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2013-12-04 08:46:34 AM  
"An SEC team can't get left out of the (championship game) with one loss," Jacobs said. "We just beat the No. 1 team in the nation, and a team ahead of us struggled today, I understand," (referring to Ohio State's 42-41 victory at Michigan)."

What about a team that struggled (and lost) to a three loss SEC team?

Oddly enough, couldn't you consider the return kick to be more likely based on luck than skill? What are the odds that a kick would fall low, land in the returner's hands, and he managed to run it to the other end without being knocked out?

That's impressive, yes, but is it something he could repeat time and again?
 
2013-12-04 08:47:57 AM  
Hopefully Michigan State renders this moot.
 
2013-12-04 08:56:41 AM  

doyner: Hopefully Michigan State renders this moot.


Yep.

Besides, if no SEC team makes it, SEC fans will still claim that no conference was able to beat them head to head in the NCG.
 
2013-12-04 09:08:08 AM  

doyner: Hopefully Michigan State renders this moot.


That could happen, never bet against a team whose game time motivation is 1 Ruin Ohio's season, 2 Go to Rose Bowl, 3 Laugh at Ohio losing in the Gator Bowl.
 
2013-12-04 09:29:13 AM  

Mentat: doyner: Hopefully Michigan State renders this moot.

Yep.

Besides, if no SEC team makes it, SEC fans will still claim that no conference was able to beat them head to head in the NCG.


And i would remind them that no SEC team has ever beaten a Sunbelt Conference team head-to-head in a NCG.  "But they weren't good enough to go!" "Exactly"

/Though considering Alabamans are killing other Alabamans for being insufficiently disconsolate about the loss, I might start running as you say that last line.
 
2013-12-04 09:31:30 AM  
When Missouri wins Saturday they will not pass tOSU. They don't have the legacy to be a national title contender.
 
2013-12-04 09:32:21 AM  
Anybody else get the feeling that they are really trying hard to backdoor Alabama into the NC game? Yo all better hope hard that both FSU and tOSU win this week, because if either one of them loses and Missouri beats Auburn, I have a feeling that Bama will be in the NC.
 
2013-12-04 09:32:54 AM  
I'm a huge Mizzou fan and I think this is BS.
 
2013-12-04 09:33:19 AM  

Aar1012: "An SEC team can't get left out of the (championship game) with one loss," Jacobs said. "We just beat the No. 1 team in the nation, and a team ahead of us struggled today, I understand," (referring to Ohio State's 42-41 victory at Michigan)."

What about a team that struggled (and lost) to a three loss SEC team?

Oddly enough, couldn't you consider the return kick to be more likely based on luck than skill? What are the odds that a kick would fall low, land in the returner's hands, and he managed to run it to the other end without being knocked out?

That's impressive, yes, but is it something he could repeat time and again?


3 of their wins were luck so he should shut the fark up.

All the SEC has rivalries with each other but every single team hates Auburn, its the one time when fark CFB threads come together and unify.

Missouri if you know what's good for you then you will win, the only time all year I will root for you hillbillies.
 
2013-12-04 09:36:56 AM  
If only there was an appropriate picture for how I feel about this as an Ohio State fan...

oh, yeah...

www.elevenwarriors.com

/not a rabid fan, I just like this picture :D
 
2013-12-04 09:38:10 AM  

steamingpile: Missouri if you know what's good for you then you will win, the only time all year I will root for you hillbillies.


Says the asshole redneck from Georgia.
 
2013-12-04 09:38:17 AM  

doyner: Hopefully Michigan State renders this moot.


Until there's a legitimate playoff, it's all moot. May as well rank the teams on who sells the most apparel during the season, that's just about what it is now anyway.
 
2013-12-04 09:39:25 AM  

doyner: Hopefully Michigan State renders this moot.


I'm an Ohio State fan and I agree.  OSU has no business in the championship game.

Auburn AD is still a tool.
 
2013-12-04 09:39:27 AM  

show me: I'm a huge Mizzou fan and I think this is BS.


No.....it's BCS.
 
2013-12-04 09:43:00 AM  
Doesn't matter . . . MSU beats OSU - Mizzou beats Auburn, and it's back to FSU / Alabama in the NCG.


/ off my meds again
 
2013-12-04 09:44:43 AM  

show me: steamingpile: Missouri if you know what's good for you then you will win, the only time all year I will root for you hillbillies.

Says the asshole redneck from Georgia.


I worked in Missouri for three years, ran into more hicks out there than 30+ years here, dont feel bad Arkansas was the worst.

Also I'm far from redneck, no hunting, no fishing, no truck, no camaro but I have owned a mustang so there's that.
 
2013-12-04 09:46:04 AM  

maxx2112: Doesn't matter . . . MSU beats OSU - Mizzou beats Auburn, and it's back to FSU / Alabama in the NCG.


/ off my meds again


Yep. Mizzou isn't going to jump Bama. So you all better hope that FSU, OSU and Auburn all win.

I actually want to see Mizzou and MSU win. The butthurt would be so epic when Bama gets the NC it would be worth it. And it would be a hell of a troll for the BCS to go out on.
 
2013-12-04 09:51:42 AM  
They are right about one thing. Auburn has really done things that OSU hasn't done this year. Specifically, they have lost a game.
 
2013-12-04 09:52:23 AM  
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2013-12-04 09:53:05 AM  

steamingpile: show me: steamingpile: Missouri if you know what's good for you then you will win, the only time all year I will root for you hillbillies.

Says the asshole redneck from Georgia.

I worked in Missouri for three years, ran into more hicks out there than 30+ years here, dont feel bad Arkansas was the worst.

Also I'm far from redneck, no hunting, no fishing, no truck, no camaro but I have owned a mustang so there's that.




What part of Missouri did you work in? Missouri is a rather nice state with lovely people.
 
2013-12-04 09:53:58 AM  

ongbok: maxx2112: Doesn't matter . . . MSU beats OSU - Mizzou beats Auburn, and it's back to FSU / Alabama in the NCG.


/ off my meds again

Yep. Mizzou isn't going to jump Bama. So you all better hope that FSU, OSU and Auburn all win.

I actually want to see Mizzou and MSU win. The butthurt would be so epic when Bama gets the NC it would be worth it. And it would be a hell of a troll for the BCS to go out on.


Won't happen.  Misery would jump 'bama.
 
2013-12-04 09:55:54 AM  
Isn't Urban supposed to be spending more time with his family.............in Columbus.  I'd love to see 'Bama v OSU just for the payback


/butthurt UF fan
 
2013-12-04 09:57:39 AM  

The Muthaship: ongbok: maxx2112: Doesn't matter . . . MSU beats OSU - Mizzou beats Auburn, and it's back to FSU / Alabama in the NCG.


/ off my meds again

Yep. Mizzou isn't going to jump Bama. So you all better hope that FSU, OSU and Auburn all win.

I actually want to see Mizzou and MSU win. The butthurt would be so epic when Bama gets the NC it would be worth it. And it would be a hell of a troll for the BCS to go out on.

Won't happen.  Misery would jump 'bama.


The Muthaship: ongbok: maxx2112: Doesn't matter . . . MSU beats OSU - Mizzou beats Auburn, and it's back to FSU / Alabama in the NCG.


/ off my meds again

Yep. Mizzou isn't going to jump Bama. So you all better hope that FSU, OSU and Auburn all win.

I actually want to see Mizzou and MSU win. The butthurt would be so epic when Bama gets the NC it would be worth it. And it would be a hell of a troll for the BCS to go out on.

Won't happen.  Misery would jump 'bama.




It would be a Mizzou/Bama game at that point
 
2013-12-04 09:58:08 AM  
If we're going to pick the championship game based on who we believe are the best 2 teams, then why not have Alabama in it?
 
2013-12-04 10:01:00 AM  

doubled99: If we're going to pick the championship game based on who we believe are the best 2 teams, then why not have Alabama in it?


If you have Alabama in it you have to have Auburn in it because Auburn is better than Alabama, they beat them.
If you have Auburn in it you have to have LSU in it because LSU beat Auburn.
If you have LSU in it you have to have Georgia and Ole Miss in it because they all beat LSU.

Or you can just have the two undefeated teams in the championship.  Whatever you like.
 
2013-12-04 10:01:12 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: It would be a Mizzou/Bama game at that point


FSU has to lose for that.
 
2013-12-04 10:03:17 AM  

doubled99: If we're going to pick the championship game based on who we believe are the best 2 teams, then why not have Alabama in it?


College Football. The one sport where every game counts. Except for that one where Auburn lost to LSU. Or that one where Mizzou lost to South Carolina. Those don't count because reasons.
 
2013-12-04 10:03:18 AM  

EyeballKid: doyner: Hopefully Michigan State renders this moot.

Until there's a legitimate playoff, it's all moot. May as well rank the teams on who sells the most apparel during the season, that's just about what it is now anyway.


There will NEVER be a legitimate playoff because any playoff scenario anyone seems to have any interest in implementing will have the same kind of bullshiat subjective choice going on.  What, if we have 8 teams picked by a super secret committee, is that going to stop people from biatching that an undefeated Northern Illinois team doesn't get to go?  Or that a one loss MSU or Baylor team gets shut out while a two loss Stanford team gets in?

No, the only way to make it truly legitimate would be to have it ONLY be a tournament of conference winners.  Then, there's no argument -- you win, you get in.  You don't win, you don't go.  Play the game on the field, beat the teams in front of you and you're in.  But no one wants that because it's somehow unfair for a 4th place SEC school with 2 losses to be left out of a tournament to see who is the best team in the nation.
 
2013-12-04 10:04:39 AM  

lennavan: doubled99: If we're going to pick the championship game based on who we believe are the best 2 teams, then why not have Alabama in it?

If you have Alabama in it you have to have Auburn in it because Auburn is better than Alabama, they beat them.
If you have Auburn in it you have to have LSU in it because LSU beat Auburn.
If you have LSU in it you have to have Georgia and Ole Miss in it because they all beat LSU.

Or you can just have the two undefeated teams in the championship.  Whatever you like.


There are three undefeated teams.
 
2013-12-04 10:04:58 AM  

doubled99: If we're going to pick the championship game based on who we believe are the best 2 teams, then why not have Alabama in it?


That's not the prerequisite for the BCS National Championship Game.

The participants are the two highest-ranked teams in the BCS standings at the end of the regular college football season, currently (until the end of the current BCS television contracts in 2013) determined by averaging the results of the final weekly USA Today Coaches' Poll, Harris Interactive Poll of media, former players and coaches, and the average of six participating computer rankings.
 
2013-12-04 10:07:02 AM  

The Muthaship: Mid_mo_mad_man: It would be a Mizzou/Bama game at that point

FSU has to lose for that.




Yes, Forced Sex U would have to lose for an all SEC title game. I assumed you had them losing as well when you put Bama in the title game.
 
2013-12-04 10:07:29 AM  

JusticeandIndependence: doubled99: If we're going to pick the championship game based on who we believe are the best 2 teams, then why not have Alabama in it?

That's not the prerequisite for the BCS National Championship Game.

The participants are the two highest-ranked teams in the BCS standings at the end of the regular college football season, currently (until the end of the current BCS television contracts in 2013) determined by averaging the results of the final weekly USA Today Coaches' Poll, Harris Interactive Poll of media, former players and coaches, and the average of six participating computer rankings.


So, doubled99 should put it: "If we're going to pick the championship game based on who a select group of coaches, whomever Harris decided was worthy to ask, and the formulas of six guys, why shouldn't Alabama be one of those?"
 
2013-12-04 10:09:28 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: The Muthaship: Mid_mo_mad_man: It would be a Mizzou/Bama game at that point

FSU has to lose for that.

Yes, Forced Sex U would have to lose for an all SEC title game. I assumed you had them losing as well when you put Bama in the title game.


I didn't put bama in the title game.  I said Misery would jump over them and play FSU if OSU loses and Misery wins the SEC title game.
 
2013-12-04 10:10:18 AM  

meanmutton: lennavan: doubled99: If we're going to pick the championship game based on who we believe are the best 2 teams, then why not have Alabama in it?

If you have Alabama in it you have to have Auburn in it because Auburn is better than Alabama, they beat them.
If you have Auburn in it you have to have LSU in it because LSU beat Auburn.
If you have LSU in it you have to have Georgia and Ole Miss in it because they all beat LSU.

Or you can just have the two undefeated teams in the championship.  Whatever you like.

There are three undefeated teams.




More proof we need a 16 team playoff.

/ If I was a betting a man I would wager on the Tigers winning Saturday.
// But I'm not.
/// Slashies
 
2013-12-04 10:10:23 AM  

Serious Black: They are right about one thing. Auburn has really done things that OSU hasn't done this year. Specifically, they have lost a game.


Or played a top 10 ranked team.

If OSU loses there will still be an unbeaten team not in the NC game, and no one seems to care about that.
 
2013-12-04 10:11:11 AM  
Auburn's AD has to say that. It's part of his job. Every 1-loss team's AD should be saying similar things.

This is the system that they all agreed to, and until next season they're stuck with the BCS. If it comes down that OSU's better record against weaker competition is more impressive than a 1-loss record against stiffer competition then that's just how things are.
 
2013-12-04 10:12:13 AM  

The Muthaship: Mid_mo_mad_man: The Muthaship: Mid_mo_mad_man: It would be a Mizzou/Bama game at that point

FSU has to lose for that.

Yes, Forced Sex U would have to lose for an all SEC title game. I assumed you had them losing as well when you put Bama in the title game.

I didn't put bama in the title game.  I said Misery would jump over them and play FSU if OSU loses and Misery wins the SEC title game.




My bad.
 
2013-12-04 10:12:37 AM  
Is Auburn better than Ohio State?  Probably.  But they've lost, and Ohio State hasn't.  Teams that are undefeated get to complain that it's unfair when a team with a loss gets a title shot over them.  Teams with a loss don't get to complain when an undefeated team gets a title shot over them.
 
2013-12-04 10:13:20 AM  
Playoffs - 11 conference winners + 5 at larges = 16 team bracket (easy math/scheduling that way. Allows theoretically every FBS team a shot, just win your conference. At larges account for the independents) Seed by BCS Rank. Highest seed gets a home game in round of 16. Elite Eight and beyond use bowl sites.

I'll pull out a theoretical bracket Sunday.
 
2013-12-04 10:13:51 AM  

doyner: Hopefully Michigan State renders this moot.


I'm cheering for Duke
 
2013-12-04 10:14:45 AM  

meanmutton: JusticeandIndependence: doubled99: If we're going to pick the championship game based on who we believe are the best 2 teams, then why not have Alabama in it?

That's not the prerequisite for the BCS National Championship Game.

The participants are the two highest-ranked teams in the BCS standings at the end of the regular college football season, currently (until the end of the current BCS television contracts in 2013) determined by averaging the results of the final weekly USA Today Coaches' Poll, Harris Interactive Poll of media, former players and coaches, and the average of six participating computer rankings.

So, doubled99 should put it: "If we're going to pick the championship game based on who a select group of coaches, whomever Harris decided was worthy to ask, and the formulas of six guys, why shouldn't Alabama be one of those?"


Because they lost a game.  Still have two undefeated teams from the magic conferences.
 
2013-12-04 10:14:45 AM  
Next year we'll have a platoff selection committee comprised of people that are sensible enough to realize that ONLY the SEC can play for the national championship.  As it should be.
 
2013-12-04 10:14:50 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: My bad.


No worries.

As long as tOSU isn't in the championship game, it should be a hell of a game regardless of who ends up in it.
 
2013-12-04 10:15:03 AM  

mjbok: Serious Black: They are right about one thing. Auburn has really done things that OSU hasn't done this year. Specifically, they have lost a game.

Or played a top 10 ranked team.

If OSU loses there will still be an unbeaten team not in the NC game, and no one seems to care about that.


Oh, so the record against top-ranked teams is all that matters? If that's the case, why don't we put Stanford in the championship game since they're the only team with 2 wins against top ten competition according to Sagarin?
 
2013-12-04 10:16:37 AM  

LucklessWonder: Playoffs - 11 conference winners + 5 at larges = 16 team bracket (easy math/scheduling that way. Allows theoretically every FBS team a shot, just win your conference. At larges account for the independents) Seed by BCS Rank. Highest seed gets a home game in round of 16. Elite Eight and beyond use bowl sites.

I'll pull out a theoretical bracket Sunday.


No, no, no, no, no.  That kind of a system is exactly the type of system that would give the unwashed masses from the North and West and Midwest a shot at the crown.  The crown that rightly belongs with the SEC.  End of story.
 
2013-12-04 10:19:54 AM  

mjbok: Serious Black: They are right about one thing. Auburn has really done things that OSU hasn't done this year. Specifically, they have lost a game.

Or played a top 10 ranked team.

If OSU loses there will still be an unbeaten team not in the NC game, and no one seems to care about that.


Neither has Florida State.  Auburn has one fluke win over a top 10 team and a loss to a top 15 team.
 
2013-12-04 10:22:01 AM  

LucklessWonder: Playoffs - 11 conference winners + 5 at larges = 16 team bracket (easy math/scheduling that way. Allows theoretically every FBS team a shot, just win your conference. At larges account for the independents) Seed by BCS Rank. Highest seed gets a home game in round of 16. Elite Eight and beyond use bowl sites.

I'll pull out a theoretical bracket Sunday.


Honestly, I'd ditch the at-larges.  Just do it with the conference winners.  Have the winners of the SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12, and ACC get a bye.  Have the other six teams play in the first round and then you've got 8 teams for the rest of the way.

Your way is better than what we have, though, but I don't want there to be ANY subjective component and as long as you have at-large bids or a super secret committee or some large poll of coaches who don't watch games or mysterious voters no one knows about or computers people don't trust, you're going to have the subjectivity.
 
2013-12-04 10:22:41 AM  

meanmutton: lennavan: doubled99: If we're going to pick the championship game based on who we believe are the best 2 teams, then why not have Alabama in it?

If you have Alabama in it you have to have Auburn in it because Auburn is better than Alabama, they beat them.
If you have Auburn in it you have to have LSU in it because LSU beat Auburn.
If you have LSU in it you have to have Georgia and Ole Miss in it because they all beat LSU.

Or you can just have the two undefeated teams in the championship.  Whatever you like.

There are three undefeated teams.


I'm okay with choosing the top 2 of the undefeated teams.
 
2013-12-04 10:22:51 AM  
Who has osu beaten that was a quality opponent?
 
2013-12-04 10:23:39 AM  

llortcM_yllort: Auburn has one fluke win over a top 10 team


Which part of the 60 minutes of game time was a fluke?
 
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