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(Pravda)   Cost of living in Russia: $8.30 for a cup of coffee   (english.pravda.ru) divider line 52
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2013-12-04 08:10:35 AM
Are you planning on joining the ranks of expats living in Russia?

Only if I'm feeling suicidal and just really want to hurry things along.
 
2013-12-04 08:19:13 AM
I think if I truly wanted to go off the grid, nothing would work better than Siberia
 
2013-12-04 08:24:13 AM
Are you planning on joining the ranks of expats living in Russia?

This story brought to you from the year 1994.
 
2013-12-04 09:36:56 AM
But how much is the vodka?
 
2013-12-04 09:58:53 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: I think if I truly wanted to go off the grid, nothing would work better than Siberia


I hear Irkutsk is nice in the Summer.
 
2013-12-04 10:00:57 AM
Yeah, but the vodka is damn near free.
 
2013-12-04 10:11:50 AM

sigdiamond2000: Are you planning on joining the ranks of expats living in Russia?

This story brought to you from the year 1994.


Or Edward Snowden
 
2013-12-04 10:11:54 AM
No wonder they take Krocodil
 
2013-12-04 10:14:00 AM
I think I'll just go ahead and skip trying to even visit a country where I could be arrested and/or much worse for holding my girlfriend's hand, if it's all the same to you.

Seriously, their anti-GLBT stance makes Alabama seem friendly by comparison.
 
2013-12-04 10:17:03 AM
I suppose the lesson here is "don't live in Moscow unless you've got money to blow on rent".
 
2013-12-04 10:17:19 AM
Yeah, Starbucks are everywhere.
 
2013-12-04 10:19:52 AM
Damn, Starbucks is everywhere these days.
 
2013-12-04 10:21:48 AM
Teh article is a bit off on the rent prices and groceries, but, yes it's pricey here.


/Many expats working here
//Lots of Starbucks but the highest prices are from the Europen coffee chains...
 
2013-12-04 10:22:03 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Yeah, but the vodka is damn near free.


Not Smirnoff.
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-12-04 10:22:12 AM
Hey, polonium is expensive, you know!
 
2013-12-04 10:25:03 AM
Meanwhile, in Russia...

Per capita GDP: ~$14,000.
Median household income: $5,690.
 
2013-12-04 10:25:53 AM

Di-mon: Teh article is a bit off on the rent prices and groceries, but, yes it's pricey here.


/Many expats working here
//Lots of Starbucks but the highest prices are from the Europen coffee chains...


I'm curious as to why there are so many expats working. Any other advantages besides high pay? Hard to imagine living in a dank city like Moscow and blowing 4000$ for rent
 
2013-12-04 10:26:28 AM
Are you planning on joining the ranks of expats living in Russia? Then you are surely interested in the average cost of living with your face during your expat life in ...

Wait, what? I need more coffee.
 
2013-12-04 10:27:25 AM
Misleading headline (but what else is new.)

The article is talking about living in Moscow, well known to be expensive.  What next, a headline that says "Cost of living in America, impossible for most people!" then an article that talks about living in Manhattan?
 
2013-12-04 10:28:34 AM
Meanwhile in Ireland....

/Yeah its Yorkshire
//Close enough
///Papists
 
2013-12-04 10:29:28 AM
can I still get a tank for $100?
 
2013-12-04 10:31:20 AM
Related:

I paid almost 8 euros for a SMALL cappuccino in Paris a couple of months ago...on the Champs Elysees...my fault for not even looking at it on the menu first, in an area where shiat is known to be expensive.  Everywhere else it was 2 to 3.
 
2013-12-04 10:34:25 AM

topcon: Related:

I paid almost 8 euros for a SMALL cappuccino in Paris a couple of months ago...on the Champs Elysees...my fault for not even looking at it on the menu first, in an area where shiat is known to be expensive.  Everywhere else it was 2 to 3.


Plus, you had to deal with a Parisian barista.

/heart goes out to you man
 
2013-12-04 10:35:54 AM
I couldn't imagine wanting to live in Russia right now. I'm sure it's not as bad as it seems from a distance, but I don't want to find out.

It's going to take another decade or two for them to sort things out, and I'm not convinced the old guard won't win.
 
2013-12-04 10:39:19 AM

andhravodu: I'm curious as to why there are so many expats working. Any other advantages besides high pay? Hard to imagine living in a dank city like Moscow and blowing 4000$ for rent


Well, the economy in Europe is doing so "well" that many ppl look for a good job opportunity and historically expats are hired as managers in local and international co's as their management skill and experience are regarded higher than the local folk. Which is frequently proven wrong. But there are many benefits of working - most of the time rent/health insurance/education costs for children/other costs are covered by the employer, ppl usually are hired at higher positions compared to their home country. And on the overall comfort of living - c'mon it's not that bad.
 
2013-12-04 10:42:17 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: IdBeCrazyIf: I think if I truly wanted to go off the grid, nothing would work better than Siberia

I hear Irkutsk is nice in the Summer.


It's fantastic until you realize there's absolutely no way to hold Asia.  May I suggest a lucky roll in the beginning of the game and the heavily arming of Australia and Indonesia?  Truly, you are f*cked, but you can always spew tequila at the guy stuck with Madagascar.
 
2013-12-04 10:43:08 AM
In capitalist Russia, coffee grinds YOU!
 
2013-12-04 10:44:13 AM
Yeah, but to be fair, the coffee comes with vodka.
 
2013-12-04 10:44:43 AM
So, a McDonalds employee only needs to work a little over an hour to afford a luxurious cup of coffee?  What a deal!
 
2013-12-04 10:45:56 AM
Weird, I expected the country that led the way to space to be a technological paradise with a vibrant economy.
 
2013-12-04 10:47:40 AM

DigitalSorceress: I think I'll just go ahead and skip trying to even visit a country where I could be arrested and/or much worse for holding my girlfriend's hand, if it's all the same to you.

Seriously, their anti-GLBT stance makes Alabama seem friendly by comparison.


Pics or it didn't happen.

JK, I know, it's a travesty. I'm so sorry. On the brighter side, my neighborhood in SF is the Castro for lesbians, and you're always welcome here!
 
2013-12-04 10:47:45 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: Weird, I expected the country that led the way to space to be a technological paradise with a vibrant economy.


Then they will vote for Putin.
 
2013-12-04 10:49:04 AM
I need to make a comrade in St. Petersburg, so I can get Gillette safety razors on he cheap.
 
2013-12-04 10:49:19 AM
Yet people pay $5 a cup, plus $1 tip here in the US and don't think anything of it.
 
2013-12-04 10:51:12 AM
Oh for f*ck's sake, fix your sh*t, Fark.

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Then they will vote for Putin.
 
2013-12-04 10:54:54 AM

andhravodu: Di-mon: Teh article is a bit off on the rent prices and groceries, but, yes it's pricey here.


/Many expats working here
//Lots of Starbucks but the highest prices are from the Europen coffee chains...

I'm curious as to why there are so many expats working. Any other advantages besides high pay? Hard to imagine living in a dank city like Moscow and blowing 4000$ for rent


People do it in san francisco.
 
2013-12-04 10:56:12 AM

thamike: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: IdBeCrazyIf: I think if I truly wanted to go off the grid, nothing would work better than Siberia

I hear Irkutsk is nice in the Summer.

It's fantastic until you realize there's absolutely no way to hold Asia.  May I suggest a lucky roll in the beginning of the game and the heavily arming of Australia and Indonesia?  Truly, you are f*cked, but you can always spew tequila at the guy stuck with Madagascar.


You have to plop down on Papua New Guinea and build up build up build up...
 
2013-12-04 10:58:43 AM
I don't want to live in a country where idiots are not free to  claim the president is a secret Muslim born in Kenya.
 
2013-12-04 11:01:38 AM

theflatline: People do it in san francisco.


and they're in San Francisco, versus Moscow.  I think it might be interesting to visit there once, maybe, but I couldn't imagine living there.  I've lived in upstate NY for 3 years, and the cold alone...I will never do that again.  There is no reason for that craziness.

People generally pay more for getting more stuff.  The commentary here is that people pay so much for living...in Moscow.
 
2013-12-04 11:03:18 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: thamike: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: IdBeCrazyIf: I think if I truly wanted to go off the grid, nothing would work better than Siberia

I hear Irkutsk is nice in the Summer.

It's fantastic until you realize there's absolutely no way to hold Asia.  May I suggest a lucky roll in the beginning of the game and the heavily arming of Australia and Indonesia?  Truly, you are f*cked, but you can always spew tequila at the guy stuck with Madagascar.

You have to plop down on Papua New Guinea and build up build up build up...


Right?  It's really the only way to win Risk.  The only way to win is jumping on an overlooked fault at a stupid premise.   This is why Scrabble is preferable.
 
2013-12-04 11:03:39 AM
If Anna Chapman would have me....I'd consider it.
 
2013-12-04 11:06:27 AM

booger42: If Anna Chapman would have me....I'd consider it.


What if butt?
 
2013-12-04 11:06:40 AM
The real cost of living in Russia is the greatly shortened life span. It's a uniquely dangerous place.
 
2013-12-04 11:26:25 AM
OMG. USD$8.30 for a cup of coffee in Moscow. If I wanted to pay that much for five cents of coffee beans and hot milky water I'd buy my coffee at Starbucks.

Other than that, some of those prices don't look too bad.

$1,000 for a one bedroom is about what you'd pay here (the last average I saw was $930 some years ago), although the two bedrooms seem to be much higher, no doubt due to the legacy of Communism and poverty (plus a lot of really pricey new construction). The bus fare seems reasonable. It might be nice if we still had trolley cars but hey, dedicated bus lanes are just as good. The cost of telecommunications seems to be quite a bit lower but that is normal everywhere in the world almost. Canada and the US are getting screwed royally on telephone and computer charges.

$1.04 a litre for gasoline is great. It's a lot more here. CostCo is charging CDN$1.20 and everybody else seems to be charging $1.221 according to ottawagasprices.com.

In short, Canadians could do worse than Moscow. We could move across the river to Detroit. Just kidding. I don't think Detroit is nearly as dangerous as Moscow. They have ghetto levels of violence, whereas much of suburban Detroit are relatively safe and prosperous still.

As for the weather, Moscow may have a slight edge over Ottawa but it would vary from year to year with one city getting better weather one year, worse the next. Montreal is a bit warmer than Ottawa but gets nasty snow storms that are funneled by the Great Lakes and Appalachians up the St. Lawrence Valley. Quebec City is even snowier.

Between living in a shady part of downtown Montreal's East End and living a nicer bit of Moscow, I'd have to go with Moscow. I hear it has great night life and some fine cultural institutions, not to mention great luxury shops for the Mafia- and Putin- connected classes. I'd hate it. Maybe St. Petersberg would be nicer.

Whether a great city is a great place to live depends entirely on the detail$$$. And luck.
 
2013-12-04 11:34:00 AM

brantgoose: $1,000 for a one bedroom is about what you'd pay here


Conditional.

brantgoose: $1.04 a litre for gasoline is great.


That's $4/gallon. It's not great.  It's sh*t.

brantgoose: In short, Canadians could do worse than Moscow.


Put that in the brochure!
 
2013-12-04 11:44:18 AM
Starbuckski's.
 
2013-12-04 12:01:32 PM
Cost of living in MOSCOW. MOSCOW! Cost of living in Russia is dirt cheap.
 
2013-12-04 12:20:54 PM
If a company was paying me a decent wage and maybe also housing since it is very expensive there, I'd definetly live in Moscow for a few years.

Pluses: Women are pretty there.  I sort of like Russian food based on my limited experience.  And the culture seems also interesting. AND as a US expat you can bank a fair amount of money (what's the current deduction on taxes for working abroad - 90k?)

OTOH, only a few years though.  I don't care much for their politics and I've lived in totalitarian countries before and I like free press and internet.  They seem to have a serious law and order problem. Also Russians strike me as rather xenophobic and as I'm not white, I'd hate to accidentally run into Nazi sympathizers.
 
2013-12-04 12:36:41 PM

BenJammin: I don't want to live in a country where idiots are not free to  claim the president is a secret Muslim born in Kenya.


Warzat bois birf certifcutt? Derpa derpa

/laughed
 
2013-12-04 01:07:22 PM
They have hot ice skaters though...so..they got that.
 
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