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2013-12-03 11:56:24 PM
FTFA: "A theft is a theft," Sgt. Ford said.

Which proves that Sgt. Ford doesn't work for Internal Affairs.

Also, the electric car owner, Kaveh Kamooneh, wasn't arrested for stealing electricity. He was arrested for being brown in GA.

Lastly:
Ka-cdn.theguardian.tv
 
2013-12-04 12:21:48 AM
We're going to be seeing more of this bullshiat. There are outlets at public parks too. Is plugging a cord in a park a crime? What about everyone who charges their iPods/iPhones/Tablets in a public building...like a school? Does the guy pay taxes? Probably more than 5 cents for public school funding as it is. Guy should sue the cops for every time they've drunk out of a public water fountain.

/F*ckers
 
2013-12-04 12:30:30 AM
"I'm not sure how much electricity he stole," said Chamblee police Sergeant Ernesto Ford, but he added: It doesn't matter. "He broke the law. He stole something that wasn't his."

Actually it does matter, dipsh*t. You're a policeman and you don't understand there are different levels of 'theft'? When someone steals a banana from a convenience store do you charge them with Grand Theft Auto, you cockbag?
 
2013-12-04 12:44:36 AM

Somacandra: We're going to be seeing more of this bullshiat. There are outlets at public parks too. Is plugging a cord in a park a crime? What about everyone who charges their iPods/iPhones/Tablets in a public building...like a school? Does the guy pay taxes? Probably more than 5 cents for public school funding as it is. Guy should sue the cops for every time they've drunk out of a public water fountain.

/F*ckers


I seem to recall a story recently where a homeless man was arrested for using an outlet in a public park to charge his phone

/probably saw it here
//put the outlets into service panels with timers and charge by the minute if it means that much
 
2013-12-04 12:51:58 AM
The moron was charging his car using someone else's electricity. If he'd stolen gasoline it would be obvious. Since he was stealing electricity from a school, there are apparently those who think he is entitled to it. This problem will be solved in the same way as drug dealers and thieves abusing pay phones was solved. Convenient outlets in public places will disappear. Thanks, self entitled morons.
 
2013-12-04 01:11:26 AM

This About That: The moron was charging his car using someone else's electricity. If he'd stolen gasoline it would be obvious. Since he was stealing electricity from a school, there are apparently those who think he is entitled to it. This problem will be solved in the same way as drug dealers and thieves abusing pay phones was solved. Convenient outlets in public places will disappear. Thanks, self entitled morons.


So, if using them is theft, what's the point in having convenient outlets in public places? Do you just like to look at them?
 
2013-12-04 01:22:06 AM
I suppose the officer is technically correct, which is the best kind.
 
2013-12-04 01:22:44 AM
All those paranoid gun freaks should move to Chamblee. Clearly that town must have the lowest levels of crime in the entire nation if this is the kind of thing the cops need to be concerned with in order to be busy.

They'll finally be able to give up their arsenals and feel truly safe for the first time in their lives.
 
2013-12-04 01:31:35 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: So, if using them is theft, what's the point in having convenient outlets in public places? Do you just like to look at them?


The question is a bit vague, but let's assume that the property owner put those outlets there (or allowed them to stay) so that people could operate and recharge their portable electronics. The cost of this use is trivial, and it is reasonable for public entities to absorb the cost either to attract customers or to provide a service to the public. Charging your car, on the other hand, is not nearly a trivial activity. The cost of operating a car is substantial, and absconding with fuel for private cars without paying for it is not a reasonable use of someone else's convenience outlet.
 
2013-12-04 01:48:02 AM

This About That: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: So, if using them is theft, what's the point in having convenient outlets in public places? Do you just like to look at them?

The question is a bit vague, but let's assume that the property owner put those outlets there (or allowed them to stay) so that people could operate and recharge their portable electronics. The cost of this use is trivial, and it is reasonable for public entities to absorb the cost either to attract customers or to provide a service to the public. Charging your car, on the other hand, is not nearly a trivial activity. The cost of operating a car is substantial, and absconding with fuel for private cars without paying for it is not a reasonable use of someone else's convenience outlet.


Not bad, 6/10
 
2013-12-04 01:56:12 AM

change1211: Not bad, 6/10


It is so hard to educate you people.
 
2013-12-04 01:56:40 AM

change1211: This About That: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: So, if using them is theft, what's the point in having convenient outlets in public places? Do you just like to look at them?

The question is a bit vague, but let's assume that the property owner put those outlets there (or allowed them to stay) so that people could operate and recharge their portable electronics. The cost of this use is trivial, and it is reasonable for public entities to absorb the cost either to attract customers or to provide a service to the public. Charging your car, on the other hand, is not nearly a trivial activity. The cost of operating a car is substantial, and absconding with fuel for private cars without paying for it is not a reasonable use of someone else's convenience outlet.

Not bad, 6/10


Oh, he was going great until he stuck the part in about charging a car not being trivial. That's the whole point of the article, that the money spent charging his car was trivial.
 
2013-12-04 01:56:43 AM
I was delivering pizzas on the night of a Garth Brooks concert in NM in the early 90's. A local cop tried to flip a U-turn in front of me to pull over an oncoming car with no lights on. I crashed into him. They took him to the hospital and when the State Police showed up I jumped out of my car and exclaimed that I was doing 39 in a 35. As if to say, "This accident is not my fault!"

I got a ticket for "failure to yield to an emergency vehicle" and "speeding 39 in a 35". I had less than one second before the local cop turned on his lights/siren and just turned in front of me.

I went to court with my story all ready to go. The State Police stole my thunder and told the judge he believed the cops were lying to him.

But the ticket for speeding stuck. I was, indeed, going faster than the posted limit.
 
2013-12-04 01:59:15 AM

Krieghund: Oh, he was going great until he stuck the part in about charging a car not being trivial. That's the whole point of the article, that the money spent charging his car was trivial.


So you just buy into whatever the media tells you?
 
2013-12-04 02:12:54 AM

Krieghund: That's the whole point of the article, that the money spent charging his car was trivial.


That may have been the point, but if it was, then it was intentionally misleading. The guy clearly intended to recharge his car. The fact that he was caught red handed early in the theft doesn't make it any less an act of theft. If you catch a burglar in your house before he carries off much of your stuff doesn't make him any less of a burglar, only unsuccessful.
 
2013-12-04 02:19:10 AM
I really want to root for the criminals but they're just so DUMB!
 
2013-12-04 03:40:20 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: This About That: The moron was charging his car using someone else's electricity. If he'd stolen gasoline it would be obvious. Since he was stealing electricity from a school, there are apparently those who think he is entitled to it. This problem will be solved in the same way as drug dealers and thieves abusing pay phones was solved. Convenient outlets in public places will disappear. Thanks, self entitled morons.

So, if using them is theft, what's the point in having convenient outlets in public places? Do you just like to look at them?


Those outlets are there for the groundskeepers to plug in things like electric weed-whackers, not so random private citizens can plug in their iToys.
 
2013-12-04 03:51:33 AM
This is stupid. Does that cop really have nothing better to do?
 
2013-12-04 04:47:58 AM
This thread never had a chance. GG wastoids.
 
2013-12-04 04:53:10 AM
If theft by people charging their electric cars is such a problem, just put circuit breakers on the public outlets with just enough amps to run whatever groundskeeping equipment you've got. An electric car will easily trip the breaker, or else charge so slowly that it'll barely even keep up with internal charge loss. Plus it'll act as a safety measure in case the weedwhacker has a short and it's own circuit breaker doesn't trip.
 
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2013-12-04 04:54:33 AM

CruiserTwelve: This is stupid. Does that cop really have nothing better to do?


I agree, I think all gas stations should be required to give me a gallon or two of gas for free when ever I want it.
 
2013-12-04 04:57:33 AM
cdn.ispot.tv

disapproves of one of the two charges(guess which one).
 
2013-12-04 04:57:54 AM
The officer in question:
xfinity.comcast.net
 
2013-12-04 05:04:39 AM
suspects
i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2013-12-04 05:05:41 AM
So he was charged with charging and people aren't too charged that the cops are wasting everyone's time charging people with stealing a charge and they want the charges dropped.
 
2013-12-04 05:07:59 AM

This About That: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: So, if using them is theft, what's the point in having convenient outlets in public places? Do you just like to look at them?

The question is a bit vague, but let's assume that the property owner put those outlets there (or allowed them to stay) so that people could operate and recharge their portable electronics. The cost of this use is trivial, and it is reasonable for public entities to absorb the cost either to attract customers or to provide a service to the public. Charging your car, on the other hand, is not nearly a trivial activity. The cost of operating a car is substantial, and absconding with fuel for private cars without paying for it is not a reasonable use of someone else's convenience outlet.


Let's assume that the community pays this police officer's salary (or buys him donuts) so that people could have a police presence on the streets and somewhere to report crimes and so on. The cost of this use is fair, and it is reasonable for public entities to absorb the cost either to attract new residents or to provide a service to the public. Arresting someone for using a school's electrical outlet, on the other hand, is not nearly a reasonable activity. The cost is substantial - police time and effort in the arrest itself and dealing with the paperwork and the PR headache and God forbid perhaps even involving the judicial system - and incurring all this for virtually zero returned value is not a reasonable use of governmental resources.
 
2013-12-04 05:08:25 AM

NFA: CruiserTwelve: This is stupid. Does that cop really have nothing better to do?

I agree, I think all gas stations should be required to give me a gallon or two of gas for free when ever I want it.


if you can get a gallon of gas for 5 cents please tell me where... i would make the roadtrip for it, and fill 55 gallon drums all day long.
 
2013-12-04 05:09:20 AM

SpdrJay: So he was charged with charging and people aren't too charged that the cops are wasting everyone's time charging people with stealing a charge and they want the charges dropped.


you forgot: /charges
other than that... perfect... i got a real charge out of it.
 
2013-12-04 05:11:30 AM

This About That: Krieghund: That's the whole point of the article, that the money spent charging his car was trivial.

That may have been the point, but if it was, then it was intentionally misleading. The guy clearly intended to recharge his car. The fact that he was caught red handed early in the theft doesn't make it any less an act of theft. If you catch a burglar in your house before he carries off much of your stuff doesn't make him any less of a burglar, only unsuccessful.


If 20 minutes cost 5 cents, he'd have had to stay there charging his car for almost 7 hours before it cost a dollar.  If that isn't trivial, I don't know what is.

And who the fark thinks that plugging something into someone else's outlet is "stealing electricity"?  If I charge my phone at my kid's school for 20 minutes and cost them a penny, should I be arrested for it?  If I charge my phone at work (which I do all the time), should I be fired?  No normal person even thinks about it that way.  I know I wouldn't think twice about plugging anything in at my kid's schools, even after reading this dumb article and your dumb comments.
 
2013-12-04 05:19:33 AM

karmachameleon: If 20 minutes cost 5 cents, he'd have had to stay there charging his car for almost 7 hours before it cost a dollar.


Yeah. Doesn't sound very credible, does it?

karmachameleon: And who the fark thinks that plugging something into someone else's outlet is "stealing electricity"? If I charge my phone at my kid's school for 20 minutes and cost them a penny, should I be arrested for it?


Do you think electricity is a magical property of the universe? Have you ever withessed an electricity bill? Yes, charging your phone at your kid's school is taking their electricity, probably without their permission, although it is such a small amount the are likely to overlook it.

This thread is an incredible combination of cop hate and magical thinking. Many of you are going to have a hard time with life.
 
2013-12-04 05:24:00 AM

Krymson Tyde: I suppose the officer is technically correct, which is the best kind.


a kick in the balls is also the best kind of kick, and someone needs one. i don't know who  though.
 
2013-12-04 05:28:28 AM

karmachameleon: This About That: Krieghund: That's the whole point of the article, that the money spent charging his car was trivial.

That may have been the point, but if it was, then it was intentionally misleading. The guy clearly intended to recharge his car. The fact that he was caught red handed early in the theft doesn't make it any less an act of theft. If you catch a burglar in your house before he carries off much of your stuff doesn't make him any less of a burglar, only unsuccessful.

If 20 minutes cost 5 cents, he'd have had to stay there charging his car for almost 7 hours before it cost a dollar.  If that isn't trivial, I don't know what is.

And who the fark thinks that plugging something into someone else's outlet is "stealing electricity"?  If I charge my phone at my kid's school for 20 minutes and cost them a penny, should I be arrested for it?  If I charge my phone at work (which I do all the time), should I be fired?  No normal person even thinks about it that way.  I know I wouldn't think twice about plugging anything in at my kid's schools, even after reading this dumb article and your dumb comments.


Hey everybody, feel free to charge all your electronics (and cars) at this guy's house!
 
2013-12-04 05:29:28 AM

HotWingAgenda: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: This About That: The moron was charging his car using someone else's electricity. If he'd stolen gasoline it would be obvious. Since he was stealing electricity from a school, there are apparently those who think he is entitled to it. This problem will be solved in the same way as drug dealers and thieves abusing pay phones was solved. Convenient outlets in public places will disappear. Thanks, self entitled morons.

So, if using them is theft, what's the point in having convenient outlets in public places? Do you just like to look at them?

Those outlets are there for the groundskeepers to plug in things like electric weed-whackers, not so random private citizens can plug in their iToys.


So why isn't there even a basic lock on them? They have a special key for the hose faucets so people can't use them. Explain to me the difference between the water fountain and the electrical outlet beyond the "Well you should know" because people DON"T know.
 
2013-12-04 05:30:42 AM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: This About That: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: So, if using them is theft, what's the point in having convenient outlets in public places? Do you just like to look at them?

The question is a bit vague, but let's assume that the property owner put those outlets there (or allowed them to stay) so that people could operate and recharge their portable electronics. The cost of this use is trivial, and it is reasonable for public entities to absorb the cost either to attract customers or to provide a service to the public. Charging your car, on the other hand, is not nearly a trivial activity. The cost of operating a car is substantial, and absconding with fuel for private cars without paying for it is not a reasonable use of someone else's convenience outlet.

Let's assume that the community pays this police officer's salary (or buys him donuts) so that people could have a police presence on the streets and somewhere to report crimes and so on. The cost of this use is fair, and it is reasonable for public entities to absorb the cost either to attract new residents or to provide a service to the public. Arresting someone for using a school's electrical outlet, on the other hand, is not nearly a reasonable activity. The cost is substantial - police time and effort in the arrest itself and dealing with the paperwork and the PR headache and God forbid perhaps even involving the judicial system - and incurring all this for virtually zero returned value is not a reasonable use of governmental resources.


BZZZT

Sunk cost. The cop is there anyway, and there is no difference if he's at the donut shop or catching a bad guy.
 
2013-12-04 05:31:56 AM
I don't have a problem with this.
An electric car needs a lot of energy to move about.

A Nissan Leaf has a battery that can contain 24 kWh.
If 1 kWh costs 12 cents, then that amounts to $ 2 and 88 cents for a full charge.

How many of these thefts would it take to enrage the public?

If 100 Nissan Leaf owners decide to mooch in this way once per week at different locations, then in one year that amounts to almost $15 k.
Those $15 k are taxpayer dollars.
 
2013-12-04 05:33:47 AM
All these power outlets left out in the open? The only people who should be stealing power are the employees.
 
2013-12-04 05:34:00 AM
And I forgot to mention, that there is a loss of energy during the charge, so the cost is probably a lot higher.
 
2013-12-04 05:37:50 AM
You know what else is a waste of taxpayer dollars? The resources used to investigate and now prosecute this guy.
 
2013-12-04 05:38:26 AM

Public Savant: I don't have a problem with this.
An electric car needs a lot of energy to move about.

A Nissan Leaf has a battery that can contain 24 kWh.
If 1 kWh costs 12 cents, then that amounts to $ 2 and 88 cents for a full charge.

How many of these thefts would it take to enrage the public?

If 100 Nissan Leaf owners decide to mooch in this way once per week at different locations, then in one year that amounts to almost $15 k.
Those $15 k are taxpayer dollars.


I would bet that anyone driving a Nissan Leaf probably pays their taxes.
 
2013-12-04 05:38:44 AM
I would believe that because of the sale of the electric vehicles is heavily pushed by the government, there is a tacit agreement that by buying said electric vehicle, governments will allow the owners/drivers to charge at outlets that are paid for by the public in government facilities where the vehicles are parked at no charge so as to be kind to the environment.
 
2013-12-04 05:39:12 AM

Mithiwithi: If theft by people charging their electric cars is such a problem, just put circuit breakers on the public outlets with just enough amps to run whatever groundskeeping equipment you've got. An electric car will easily trip the breaker, or else charge so slowly that it'll barely even keep up with internal charge loss. Plus it'll act as a safety measure in case the weedwhacker has a short and it's own circuit breaker doesn't trip.


Mithwithi #winning
 
2013-12-04 05:40:41 AM
I bet this guy torrents music and movies as well.
 
GBB
2013-12-04 05:42:25 AM
img.fark.net
There's a battery, therefore, this is an electric vehicle!
 
2013-12-04 05:42:40 AM
Fresh drinking water is a luxury in parts of the world. Should I be arrested if I drink water from a public school's drinking fountain? What about two teams after a game? Cop probably thought the cost of electricity being drawn was much higher than it was, and doesn't want to admit he screwed up. Plugging a cord into an accessible electric socket is too easy. The onus is on the school to make some attempt to secure it if unauthorized use is to be considered theft. At least put up a sign.
 
2013-12-04 05:48:41 AM

This About That: Do you think electricity is a magical property of the universe?


img.fark.net
 
2013-12-04 05:54:01 AM
Autoplay video. Can we get a warning please?
 
2013-12-04 05:54:32 AM

beer4breakfast: Fresh drinking water is a luxury in parts of the world. Should I be arrested if I drink water from a public school's drinking fountain? What about two teams after a game? Cop probably thought the cost of electricity being drawn was much higher than it was, and doesn't want to admit he screwed up. Plugging a cord into an accessible electric socket is too easy. The onus is on the school to make some attempt to secure it if unauthorized use is to be considered theft. At least put up a sign.


Nice apples and oranges there. Drinking fountain is the wrong outlet. Try a faucet on the exterior of the school. You come along and attempt to fill up your 50 gallon drum with water by running a hose. Do you see a problem now? If not, well, god bless your little heart, but nobody can help you understand.
 
2013-12-04 05:55:14 AM

JohnnyCat: You know what else is a waste of taxpayer dollars? The resources used to investigate and now prosecute this guy.


Or they have nipped a massive crime spree in the bud. Had they waited to arrest people until electric cars are commonplace, everyone charging wherever they can, it would've cost thousands of times as much in losses and in the justice system to put an end to it.

And of course there are plenty of crimes that are good for tax payers, like killing people who live on welfare, obviously that is no reason not to prosecute those crimes.
 
2013-12-04 05:55:50 AM

CruiserTwelve: This is stupid. Does that cop really have nothing better to do?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No.

Well, he could be out pinching youngsters with weed ...
 
2013-12-04 05:56:18 AM
OK, 5 cents is bullshiat, electricity isn't that cheap anywhere but your personal solar installation. In twenty minutes he got roughly 1.5 kwh, which works out to anywhere from $0.10 to $0.50 depending on the area. In Georgia it would be about $0.15.

OH MY GOD HE BANKRUPTED THE ENTIRE STATE.
 
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