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(BBC)   Coming to a police force near you: Electromagnetic pulse weapons to stop car engines   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 127
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2013-12-04 12:19:53 AM
the device uses L- and S-band radio frequencies, and works at a range of up to 50m (164ft).

I wonder how...wide, the "beam" or whatever it is, would be. as in if they would try to stop a car, would it also effect vehicles driving next to the car they intended to stop?
 
2013-12-04 12:33:28 AM
I'm sure the guy walking nearby with the pacemaker is going to love this shiat. I don't think many cable headends or tv stations are going to be happy about the errant L-band shiat either.
 
2013-12-04 12:39:28 AM

dr_blasto: I'm sure the guy walking nearby with the pacemaker is going to love this shiat.

"The firm added that it did not believe the RF Safe-Stop posed any risk to people using a pacemaker."


But just to be safe, if you have a pacemaker, don't microwave burritos, or get in high speed police pursuits.
 
2013-12-04 12:48:39 AM

log_jammin: dr_blasto: I'm sure the guy walking nearby with the pacemaker is going to love this shiat.

"The firm added that it did not believe the RF Safe-Stop posed any risk to people using a pacemaker."

But just to be safe, if you have a pacemaker, don't microwave burritos, or get in high speed police pursuits.


I don't believe getting coked to high hell and going for a cruise in my SUV poses any risk to you, but just to be safe, stay off the sidewalks tonight.

S and L-band are not problems at line levels running through cables off RF dividers, but amped up to levels to interfere with automotive microprocessors - microprocessors that are in big ol metal boxes - aren't a threat to Dick Cheney when he's out innocently (if it is possible for him, I'm not sure it is) walking his dog and one of these pursuits hits the old whammy button?

I find that somewhat incredulous. Also, I figure that given the proliferation of fly-by-wire in cars coupled with the frequency cops like to zap shiat with their tazers, you're looking at a lot of cop-caused traffic pileups.
 
2013-12-04 12:58:20 AM

dr_blasto: I find that somewhat incredulous.


I don't know if it's true or not. But I'd think the company would have an interest in being reasonably sure it doesn't pop peoples pacemakers.

dr_blasto: you're looking at a lot of cop-caused traffic pileups.


how so? If anything this would help avoid them IMO. I'd much rather them using some EMP like device to shut down a car instead of chasing them at 90mph through residential neighborhoods.
 
2013-12-04 02:07:10 AM
I wondered how long it would be until these were out.  I always had a fiction book in my head where a device like that was used to rob an armored car.  Pull up in front of it, blip.. CB radios and armored car dead.. winch it up into the back of a semi.. release nitrous oxide.. done.
 
2013-12-04 02:42:25 AM

me texan: I wondered how long it would be until these were out.  I always had a fiction book in my head where a device like that was used to rob an armored car.  Pull up in front of it, blip.. CB radios and armored car dead.. winch it up into the back of a semi.. release nitrous oxide.. done.


Directed by Michael Bay
 
2013-12-04 03:24:43 AM
I'll believe it when it works.
 
2013-12-04 03:28:22 AM
Not a 72 Super Beetle!
 
2013-12-04 03:29:35 AM
img.fark.net

KITT might disagree ;)
 
2013-12-04 03:32:52 AM
Great, more tools for the lazy violent morons to abuse ...
 
2013-12-04 03:34:13 AM
Good luck trying that on my '65 Spitfire. It's British so the electronics rarely work right anyway.
 
2013-12-04 03:36:40 AM

underwhere: Good luck trying that on my '65 Spitfire. It's British so the electronics  Lucas wiring rarely works right anyway.

 
2013-12-04 03:36:58 AM

Prophet of Loss: Great, more tools for the lazy violent morons to abuse ...


Lazy, yes.

I'm not seeing how it's violent unless they use it to stop your pacemaker.
 
2013-12-04 03:39:38 AM
Would this work on a real car with no great amount of electronics? Say, pre-1970's?
 
2013-12-04 03:43:10 AM

underwhere: Good luck trying that on my '65 Spitfire. It's British so the electronics rarely work right anyway.


Pretty much anything carbureted is going to be immune to this, as well as a few 90s fuel injected jobs that use the ultra rare (and crappy) mechanical fuel injection.  Also I seem to recall that some early fuel injection systems only depend on the computer to fine-tune injector timing, but can operate (badly) without it.  No idea if they would be immune.

Either way, here's the upshot: as an unintended benefit in the event these things become successful, classic muscle cars will be used in all future movie chase scenes.  I do not personally have a problem with this.

/Oh yeah, also anyone who bothers to fashion some kind of faraday cage for the appropriate parts of the car will be immune.
 
2013-12-04 03:43:22 AM

Fista-Phobia: underwhere: Good luck trying that on my '65 Spitfire. It's British so the electronics  Lucas wiring rarely works right anyway.


That too.
 
2013-12-04 03:43:30 AM
My car has no microprocessors in it except for the audio system. So there. You'll just have to ram me off the road.
 
2013-12-04 03:43:54 AM

Prophet of Loss: lazy violent


"I'm going to beat the shiat out of you...later on..."
 
2013-12-04 03:44:02 AM

underwhere: Good luck trying that on my '65 Spitfire. It's British so the electronics rarely work right anyway.


Good luck using that on my 84 Benz diesel, too. Only electronic circuit in the entire car is the CD player.

/285,000 and counting...
 
2013-12-04 03:46:18 AM

Mztlplx: underwhere: Good luck trying that on my '65 Spitfire. It's British so the electronics rarely work right anyway.

Good luck using that on my 84 Benz diesel, too. Only electronic circuit in the entire car is the CD player.

/285,000 and counting...


Ah yes, also a great many diesel vehicles will be immune.  Some well past the 90s depending on the brand, though I don't know the specifics.
 
2013-12-04 03:48:33 AM
Considering my '82 400bbc, whose most advanced electronic features include the factory tape deck and aftermarket CB, minus the ECM and all computer controls, we laugh in your general direction. I have a wire from the battery, a wire from the alternator, and a wire into the fuse block that controls everything else. Try me, biatches.
 
2013-12-04 03:56:50 AM
Xi niao high-tech Alliance crap!
 
2013-12-04 03:58:12 AM

log_jammin: I don't know if it's true or not. But I'd think the company would have an interest in being reasonably sure it doesn't pop peoples pacemakers.


If it does they can just call it "excited delirium" and sue anyone who suggests their device was in any way responsible for the event.
 
2013-12-04 03:58:22 AM
high speed pursuit, cop disables truck...which then plows into a busload of orphans being escorted by nuns.

Meh, orphans and nuns, who really needs then outside of jokes anyways right?
 
2013-12-04 04:00:48 AM
Great.

Can't wait till the first one gets knicked out of the back of a squad car at Donuts'R'Us and ends up in the hands of Osama Bin Fartypants, standing at the end of a runway zapping planes that are coming in for landing.
 
2013-12-04 04:02:08 AM

Greywar: high speed pursuit, cop disables truck...which then plows into a busload of orphans being escorted by nuns.

Meh, orphans and nuns, who really needs then outside of jokes anyways right?


Actually, I think the priests have uses for both of them.
 
2013-12-04 04:02:36 AM

zzrhardy: Great.

Can't wait till the first one gets knicked out of the back of a squad car at Donuts'R'Us and ends up in the hands of Osama Bin Fartypants, standing at the end of a runway zapping planes that are coming in for landing.


houseofgeekery.files.wordpress.com
/has a better idea
//we're SO heading towards it...proudly slouching.
 
2013-12-04 04:04:54 AM
There has also been police interest
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Police control of automatic shut-off will be mandatory for everyone in the future.
 
2013-12-04 04:05:08 AM

generallyso: If it does they can just call it "excited delirium" and sue anyone who suggests their device was in any way responsible for the event.


right right
 
2013-12-04 04:05:27 AM

Mztlplx: underwhere: Good luck trying that on my '65 Spitfire. It's British so the electronics rarely work right anyway.

Good luck using that on my 84 Benz diesel, too. Only electronic circuit in the entire car is the CD player.

/285,000 and counting...


Well, considering that it's as slow as an asthmatic horse, a car chase would end up quickly without having to use this kind of gadget.
 
2013-12-04 04:09:31 AM

log_jammin: me texan: I wondered how long it would be until these were out.  I always had a fiction book in my head where a device like that was used to rob an armored car.  Pull up in front of it, blip.. CB radios and armored car dead.. winch it up into the back of a semi.. release nitrous oxide.. done.

Directed by Michael Bay


img.fark.net
 
2013-12-04 04:16:29 AM

padraig: Mztlplx: underwhere: Good luck trying that on my '65 Spitfire. It's British so the electronics rarely work right anyway.

Good luck using that on my 84 Benz diesel, too. Only electronic circuit in the entire car is the CD player.

/285,000 and counting...

Well, considering that it's as slow as an asthmatic horse, a car chase would end up quickly without having to use this kind of gadget.


That is not true. I can go from zero to sixty in less than 24 hours.

I'm happy to trade speed for reliability, 27 mpg city and the capability of surviving any hit smaller than a cement mixer or asteroid strike.
 
2013-12-04 04:27:26 AM

Prophet of Loss: Great, more tools for the lazy violent morons to abuse ...


Lazy and violent? Aren't those mutually exclusive?
 
2013-12-04 04:27:31 AM
The rust on my Ranchero insulates all electrical components from this.
 
2013-12-04 04:29:48 AM
Thank goodness the police have the option of another nonlethal tool they can use. Now they can just disable your car before they go full on assault and shoot you in the face.
 
2013-12-04 04:31:24 AM
it weighs 775 lbs, and can only fire in 3-5 second bursts (at everything 160' in a direction)...i don't see the LAPD giving up their spike-strips anytime soon.
 
2013-12-04 04:38:20 AM

CruiserTwelve: Prophet of Loss: Great, more tools for the lazy violent morons to abuse ...

Lazy and violent? Aren't those mutually exclusive?


I suppose you could violently shoot someone from your couch.
 
2013-12-04 04:48:01 AM

me texan: I wondered how long it would be until these were out.  I always had a fiction book in my head where a device like that was used to rob an armored car.  Pull up in front of it, blip.. CB radios and armored car dead.. winch it up into the back of a semi.. release nitrous oxide.. done.


You want to be shot by laughing guards? Nitrous oxide may not actually be what you are looking for - there are far more effective "knockout" gasses.
 
2013-12-04 04:55:07 AM

dr_blasto: log_jammin: dr_blasto: I'm sure the guy walking nearby with the pacemaker is going to love this shiat.

"The firm added that it did not believe the RF Safe-Stop posed any risk to people using a pacemaker."

But just to be safe, if you have a pacemaker, don't microwave burritos, or get in high speed police pursuits.

I don't believe getting coked to high hell and going for a cruise in my SUV poses any risk to you, but just to be safe, stay off the sidewalks tonight.

S and L-band are not problems at line levels running through cables off RF dividers, but amped up to levels to interfere with automotive microprocessors - microprocessors that are in big ol metal boxes - aren't a threat to Dick Cheney when he's out innocently (if it is possible for him, I'm not sure it is) walking his dog and one of these pursuits hits the old whammy button?

I find that somewhat incredulous. Also, I figure that given the proliferation of fly-by-wire in cars coupled with the frequency cops like to zap shiat with their tazers, you're looking at a lot of cop-caused traffic pileups.


When my dad was a cop, it was common practice for bored cops to drive 5 MPH below the speed limit on the interstate and laugh at all the people who were too scared to pass a police car.

I'd imagine this is still common practice.
 
2013-12-04 05:07:19 AM
Well if one figures out how to shield their electrical components with a Faraday cage this will become essentially useless.
 
2013-12-04 05:20:54 AM
FTA : "one of several companies trying to bring such a product to market. works at a range of up to 50m (164ft) "

Bad idea. Not just for the reasons mentioned. If they start mass producing emp weapons, they will eventually end up on the streets, then some punk who asked grandma for one will emp our homes and cars for shiats and giggles. They wont even need to get close,
 
2013-12-04 05:23:10 AM

Mztlplx: padraig: Mztlplx: underwhere: Good luck trying that on my '65 Spitfire. It's British so the electronics rarely work right anyway.

Good luck using that on my 84 Benz diesel, too. Only electronic circuit in the entire car is the CD player.

/285,000 and counting...

Well, considering that it's as slow as an asthmatic horse, a car chase would end up quickly without having to use this kind of gadget.

That is not true. I can go from zero to sixty in less than 24 hours.

I'm happy to trade speed for reliability, 27 mpg city and the capability of surviving any hit smaller than a cement mixer or asteroid strike.


I almost bought one, an early 80s model, although that was easily the slowest car I ever drove. But it suffered from engine run-on, so I bought an old Volvo instead.

An uncle went 1 million Km in his Diesel Mercedes.
 
2013-12-04 05:25:24 AM
They've been doing this since the 90s that I know of, testing, I mean.

I completely support implementing this tech and removing dangerous stop-strips from police hardware.

Just as I believe if you have a taser, you needn't a pistol.  Things will work themselves out eventually.
 
2013-12-04 05:28:23 AM

WhoGAS: They've been doing this since the 90s that I know of, testing, I mean.

I completely support implementing this tech and removing dangerous stop-strips from police hardware.

Just as I believe if you have a taser, you needn't a pistol.  Things will work themselves out eventually.


Yeah, who needs to worry about solar flares disrupting critical infrastructure when you have emp toys on every block.
 
2013-12-04 05:30:03 AM
Not at the end of a runway zapping planes coming in, but those going out, heavy.
 
2013-12-04 05:34:14 AM
Wait until some yahoo users it on a plane.
 
2013-12-04 05:34:33 AM

log_jammin: CruiserTwelve: Prophet of Loss: Great, more tools for the lazy violent morons to abuse ...

Lazy and violent? Aren't those mutually exclusive?

I suppose you could violently shoot someone from your couch.


Choosing violence as a first choice option for law enforcement IS lazy. Its much harder to be a peacemaker.
 
2013-12-04 05:35:01 AM

Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: Wait until some yahoo users it on a plane.


Uses.

/Stupid smart phone.
 
2013-12-04 05:36:38 AM

PewterPirate55: Well if one figures out how to shield their electrical components with a Faraday cage this will become essentially useless.


You know, a car actually IS a Faraday cage.
So I'm not sure it would help all that much.
 
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