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(The Wire)   When you put it that way, it sounds bad: A congress dominated by Baby Boomers is making the rules governing the acceptable uses of emerging technology that will be used by the Millennial's children   (thewire.com) divider line 67
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2013-12-03 01:19:56 PM
Our entire government is based on allowing older, generally monied people to decide the best way to slow everything down until they've milked it for all it's worth.

Hell, that's a good summary of Baby Boomers in general. Once they've got theirs, screw the next generation.
 
2013-12-03 01:25:37 PM
And the constitutionality of laws is decided by people old enough to be parents of baby boomers.
 
2013-12-03 01:27:27 PM
AND since we elect based on no solid criteria, we put morons in charge of things they know nothing about (science and tech committee, looking at you).
 
2013-12-03 01:30:26 PM
Do you think we could highlight what a terrible idea this is by allowing the oldest, and least IT competent, staff in our companies to take over the IT departments for a month? Fortunately in mine everyone knows they know nothing. They are too scared to even install stuff in case it breaks. The US Congress should be afraid to mess with technology, in case they break it.

In fact just take John McCain and put him in charge of the US Capitol IT Systems for a day. Just that one building. They must have something that can be screwed up. One day is all you need. He is the oldest, right?
 
2013-12-03 01:30:47 PM
My problem isn't that they are making rules and laws regarding technology, it's that they do so while exhibiting no interest at all in actually learning about it.
 
2013-12-03 01:32:09 PM
Damn, two generation fight threads?
 
2013-12-03 01:32:55 PM

Mentalpatient87: Damn, two generation fight threads?


They've got the power, at least let us biatch about how they're screwing us.
 
2013-12-03 01:35:14 PM

LasersHurt: Mentalpatient87: Damn, two generation fight threads?

They've got the power, at least let us biatch about how they're screwing us.


Fair enough, I'm not saying you should stop.
 
2013-12-03 01:35:55 PM
As a Gen Xer; will I be spending my entire life between two generational assholes?
 
2013-12-03 01:37:40 PM

Mjeck: As a Gen Xer; will I be spending my entire life between two generational assholes?


Gen Y isn't nearly as bad as some people like to pretend they are. And I say this knowing that some of them are still pretty young and shiatty, but everyone's pretty shiatty when young.
 
2013-12-03 01:37:42 PM
But this can't possibly be the case. We have the greatest system of government ever divised.
 
2013-12-03 01:39:24 PM
Does everyone realize that Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are both part of the baby boom generation as are pretty much everyone that created and developed a good portion of the IT boom.  

There might be some benefit to those who are making the laws to remember a time before and after IT ruled our lives.
 
2013-12-03 01:39:36 PM
I've never learned exactly which Gen I'm even part of.. Where are the lines?
 
2013-12-03 01:41:36 PM

Mentalpatient87: I've never learned exactly which Gen I'm even part of.. Where are the lines?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennials#Terminology

Basically... somewhere around 80 - just after 2000, with wiggle room on both ends. It's fuzzy.
 
2013-12-03 01:42:08 PM
Oh, stop biatching. Members of older generations have ALWAYS enacted laws that affect younger generations.
 
2013-12-03 01:43:00 PM

Slaxl: Do you think we could highlight what a terrible idea this is by allowing the oldest, and least IT competent, staff in our companies to take over the IT departments for a month? Fortunately in mine everyone knows they know nothing. They are too scared to even install stuff in case it breaks. The US Congress should be afraid to mess with technology, in case they break it.

In fact just take John McCain and put him in charge of the US Capitol IT Systems for a day. Just that one building. They must have something that can be screwed up. One day is all you need. He is the oldest, right?


If Ted Stevens was still alive...
 
2013-12-03 01:43:52 PM
You really want millennials making laws instead?
 
2013-12-03 01:45:29 PM

propasaurus: You really want millennials making laws instead?


This country would be better off if laws were made by those who worship Justa Beaver, Miley Cyrus, and Kim Kardashian, don'tcha know?
 
2013-12-03 01:47:20 PM

Lorelle: propasaurus: You really want millennials making laws instead?

This country would be better off if laws were made by those who worship Justa Beaver, Miley Cyrus, and Kim Kardashian, don'tcha know?


Because no other generation has EVER had stupid celebrities!
 
2013-12-03 01:51:49 PM

propasaurus: You really want millennials making laws instead?


Yeah. It's clear this is the sanest option.
 
2013-12-03 01:56:12 PM

Lorelle: propasaurus: You really want millennials making laws instead?

This country would be better off if laws were made by those who worship Justa Beaver, Miley Cyrus, and Kim Kardashian, don'tcha know?


Instead of Jackie Onassis, the Beach Boys, and the Beatles?
 
2013-12-03 01:56:59 PM
Ha ha. By revealing which generation you are, NAME can cross-reference and determine your real identity, for some IRL trolling LOL
 
2013-12-03 02:02:05 PM

machoprogrammer: Lorelle: propasaurus: You really want millennials making laws instead?

This country would be better off if laws were made by those who worship Justa Beaver, Miley Cyrus, and Kim Kardashian, don'tcha know?

Instead of Jackie Onassis, the Beach Boys, and the Beatles?


As opposed to Hanoi Jane, Elton John and that twatty painter.
 
2013-12-03 02:07:31 PM

Waldo Pepper: Does everyone realize that Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are both part of the baby boom generation as are pretty much everyone that created and developed a good portion of the IT boom.  

There might be some benefit to those who are making the laws to remember a time before and after IT ruled our lives.


That's true, but we're not talking about the top 0.001% of innovators, we're talking about the average person in that group. Basically people who may have never have sent an e-mail are deciding rules on net neutrality (and getting their only information from the telecom lobby too). A hyperbolic example, I know, but you get the idea. Basically folks who have little knowledge and who are not impacted by these technologies are making the calls that will impact those who use this stuff daily.
 
2013-12-03 02:13:15 PM

THE GREAT NAME: machoprogrammer: Lorelle: propasaurus: You really want millennials making laws instead?

This country would be better off if laws were made by those who worship Justa Beaver, Miley Cyrus, and Kim Kardashian, don'tcha know?

Instead of Jackie Onassis, the Beach Boys, and the Beatles?

As opposed to Hanoi Jane, Elton John and that twatty painter.


Elton John has always been awesome. 

/who is the "twatty painter??"
 
2013-12-03 02:27:59 PM

Lorelle: THE GREAT NAME: machoprogrammer: Lorelle: propasaurus: You really want millennials making laws instead?

This country would be better off if laws were made by those who worship Justa Beaver, Miley Cyrus, and Kim Kardashian, don'tcha know?

Instead of Jackie Onassis, the Beach Boys, and the Beatles?

As opposed to Hanoi Jane, Elton John and that twatty painter.

Elton John has always been awesome. 

/who is the "twatty painter??"


The one that draws the same thing ovr and over, just in different colours. Lazy!
 
2013-12-03 02:31:10 PM

firefly212: My problem isn't that they are making rules and laws regarding technology, it's that they do so while exhibiting no interest at all in actually learning about it.


As a gun enthusiast I feel your pain.
 
2013-12-03 02:31:46 PM

THE GREAT NAME: machoprogrammer: Lorelle: propasaurus: You really want millennials making laws instead?

This country would be better off if laws were made by those who worship Justa Beaver, Miley Cyrus, and Kim Kardashian, don'tcha know?

Instead of Jackie Onassis, the Beach Boys, and the Beatles?

As opposed to Hanoi Jane, Elton John and that twatty painter.


Aw, how cute.
 
2013-12-03 02:34:06 PM

THE GREAT NAME: Lorelle: THE GREAT NAME: machoprogrammer: Lorelle: propasaurus: You really want millennials making laws instead?

This country would be better off if laws were made by those who worship Justa Beaver, Miley Cyrus, and Kim Kardashian, don'tcha know?

Instead of Jackie Onassis, the Beach Boys, and the Beatles?

As opposed to Hanoi Jane, Elton John and that twatty painter.

Elton John has always been awesome. 

/who is the "twatty painter??"

The one that draws the same thing ovr and over, just in different colours. Lazy!


Kinkade?
 
2013-12-03 02:35:14 PM

Saiga410: THE GREAT NAME: Lorelle: THE GREAT NAME: machoprogrammer: Lorelle: propasaurus: You really want millennials making laws instead?

This country would be better off if laws were made by those who worship Justa Beaver, Miley Cyrus, and Kim Kardashian, don'tcha know?

Instead of Jackie Onassis, the Beach Boys, and the Beatles?

As opposed to Hanoi Jane, Elton John and that twatty painter.

Elton John has always been awesome. 

/who is the "twatty painter??"

The one that draws the same thing ovr and over, just in different colours. Lazy!

Kinkade?


Who?
 
2013-12-03 02:37:04 PM

Saiga410: firefly212: My problem isn't that they are making rules and laws regarding technology, it's that they do so while exhibiting no interest at all in actually learning about it.

As a gun enthusiast I feel your pain.


Yeah, because internets don't troll you, gun control twerps do.
 
2013-12-03 02:42:36 PM

THE GREAT NAME: Saiga410: THE GREAT NAME: Lorelle: THE GREAT NAME: machoprogrammer: Lorelle: propasaurus: You really want millennials making laws instead?

This country would be better off if laws were made by those who worship Justa Beaver, Miley Cyrus, and Kim Kardashian, don'tcha know?

Instead of Jackie Onassis, the Beach Boys, and the Beatles?

As opposed to Hanoi Jane, Elton John and that twatty painter.

Elton John has always been awesome. 

/who is the "twatty painter??"

The one that draws the same thing ovr and over, just in different colours. Lazy!

Kinkade?

Who?


Thomas Kinkade.... did all the pictures of lights every grandma love.  But really the one most likely being reference is Warhol during his screenprint phase.... I like his early stuff but ya those later years sucked.
 
2013-12-03 02:44:16 PM

Saiga410: THE GREAT NAME: Saiga410: THE GREAT NAME: Lorelle: THE GREAT NAME: machoprogrammer: Lorelle: propasaurus: You really want millennials making laws instead?

This country would be better off if laws were made by those who worship Justa Beaver, Miley Cyrus, and Kim Kardashian, don'tcha know?

Instead of Jackie Onassis, the Beach Boys, and the Beatles?

As opposed to Hanoi Jane, Elton John and that twatty painter.

Elton John has always been awesome. 

/who is the "twatty painter??"

The one that draws the same thing ovr and over, just in different colours. Lazy!

Kinkade?

Who?

Thomas Kinkade.... did all the pictures of lights every grandma love.  But really the one most likely being reference is Warhol during his screenprint phase.... I like his early stuff but ya those later years sucked.


I read "twatty painter" and assumed Georgia O'Keefe.
 
2013-12-03 03:06:51 PM

Waldo Pepper: Does everyone realize that Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are both part of the baby boom generation as are pretty much everyone that created and developed a good portion of the IT boom.


Came in to say mostly this.
They invented the stuff.  Kids use it, but it doesn't mean they use it better.  And they certainly don't understand it.
 
2013-12-03 03:09:12 PM

ds615: Waldo Pepper: Does everyone realize that Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are both part of the baby boom generation as are pretty much everyone that created and developed a good portion of the IT boom.

Came in to say mostly this.
They invented the stuff.  Kids use it, but it doesn't mean they use it better.  And they certainly don't understand it.


"kids"? The older members of the millenial generation are 30-35 at this point, many of whom have invented and now use the next gen of tech.
 
2013-12-03 03:10:33 PM
Been saying it  for decades, got people trying to control things that they know nothing about. Whole system is flawed from the beginning since the people who win are the most popular and not the most competent
 
2013-12-03 03:20:26 PM
The generation that gave us the DMCA, PRISM, the PATRIOT ACT and treating whistleblowers as terrorists....
 
2013-12-03 03:24:50 PM

Mentalpatient87: I've never learned exactly which Gen I'm even part of.. Where are the lines?


They flex depending on the source you're reading.  Contrary to what a lot of people will insist, there is no definite line in the sand, and it varies by up to 8 years depending on the study source being used, and what decade it was done.  There is a pseudo pop-culture set of cuts that's about as good as any, though:

Traditionals/Silent Generation were born between the stock market crash of 1929 and the detonation of the bomb at Hiroshima, 1945.
Boomers were born between Hiroshima 1945 and the moment the Kennedy was shot, 1963.
GenX were born between JFK's death, 1963 and Reagan winning his first presidential term, 1980.
Millenials/GenY are after that.  Some want to put a new division where the planes hit the tower (2001) and create a GenZ but it's too early tell if that make any sense or not.

Personally, I'm not a fan of these divisions.  It's too neat and clean for something that has long transition periods and multiple sociological elements.  But go with whatever works for you.
 
2013-12-03 03:31:32 PM

LasersHurt: ds615: Waldo Pepper: Does everyone realize that Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are both part of the baby boom generation as are pretty much everyone that created and developed a good portion of the IT boom.

Came in to say mostly this.
They invented the stuff.  Kids use it, but it doesn't mean they use it better.  And they certainly don't understand it.

"kids"? The older members of the millenial generation are 30-35 at this point, many of whom have invented and now use the next gen of tech.


Yeah but it's easier to handwave other generations as kids if you are painting with a broad brush, it supports your point better.

I'm 25, I wouldn't want to be making the laws but I would probably prefer a 35-45 year old instead of a 55+ year old if part of the requirement is understanding what you're legislating on. Let's not forgot those hilarious RIAA and MPAA hearings. 

/but I guess money provides that separation of understanding regardless of age
 
2013-12-03 03:37:02 PM

Saiga410: Thomas Kinkade.... did all the pictures of lights every grandma love.  But really the one most likely being reference is Warhol during his screenprint phase.... I like his early stuff but ya those later years sucked.


Warhol wasn't a Boomer. He's still cool, though.

un4gvn666: I read "twatty painter" and assumed Georgia O'Keefe.


Well, of course...that makes sense. She was born in the 19th century, though.

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BTW, that's a flower. Get yer minds outta the gutter.
 
2013-12-03 03:38:11 PM

Electromax: LasersHurt: ds615: Waldo Pepper: Does everyone realize that Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are both part of the baby boom generation as are pretty much everyone that created and developed a good portion of the IT boom.

Came in to say mostly this.
They invented the stuff.  Kids use it, but it doesn't mean they use it better.  And they certainly don't understand it.

"kids"? The older members of the millenial generation are 30-35 at this point, many of whom have invented and now use the next gen of tech.

Yeah but it's easier to handwave other generations as kids if you are painting with a broad brush, it supports your point better.

I'm 25, I wouldn't want to be making the laws but I would probably prefer a 35-45 year old instead of a 55+ year old if part of the requirement is understanding what you're legislating on. Let's not forgot those hilarious RIAA and MPAA hearings. 

/but I guess money provides that separation of understanding regardless of age


It's easier to blame an entire generation when you use a broad brush, too

/but don't let that stop a good generational war
//we need more divisions in this country
 
2013-12-03 03:50:55 PM
Bill Gates and (lol) Steve Jobs may be baby boomers but that doesn't mean what you think it means.  They invented a lot of the things we use today but their generation didn't learn to use them until relatively recently*.  Computers were for nerdos and mostly useless, so you can't really blame them.

*a lot still haven't
 
2013-12-03 04:28:43 PM

Lorelle: Saiga410: Thomas Kinkade.... did all the pictures of lights every grandma love.  But really the one most likely being reference is Warhol during his screenprint phase.... I like his early stuff but ya those later years sucked.

Warhol wasn't a Boomer. He's still cool, though.

un4gvn666: I read "twatty painter" and assumed Georgia O'Keefe.

Well, of course...that makes sense. She was born in the 19th century, though.

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BTW, that's a flower. Get yer minds outta the gutter.


*bites lower petal*
DAT FLOWER
 
2013-12-03 04:32:40 PM

Waldo Pepper: Does everyone realize that Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are both part of the baby boom generation as are pretty much everyone that created and developed a good portion of the IT boom.


Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are names you know because they "got" technology way, way better than the vast majority of their generation, not because their generation was very tech-savvy.
 
2013-12-03 04:32:53 PM

Best Princess Celestia: Been saying it  for decades, got people trying to control things that they know nothing about. Whole system is flawed from the beginning since the people who win are the most popular have the most money and not the most competent


FTFY
 
2013-12-03 04:37:16 PM

LasersHurt: Our entire government is based on allowing older, generally monied people to decide the best way to slow everything down until they've milked it for all it's worth.

Hell, that's a good summary of Baby Boomers in general. Once they've got theirs, screw the next generation.


Bingo.

They're taking our money and bankrupting SS and every social security net they can. They had all their fun with the drugs and now have outlawed everything they enjoyed, but set themselves up with a medical system that basically throws opiates at anyone over 50 who complains of a headache (because fark us, that's why). They can't even set a VCR and barely manage Facebook, but want to regulate the internet to death. Old people are terrible.

To be frank, our political system is ass-backwards. Given the brain loses cells and capability steadily past the age of the mid-20s, I'm of the mind no one should be able to run for politics past the age of 35 without serious IQ tests. As someone who has to deal with middle-aged and elderly people everyday constantly, I can readily assert that by and large they are utter morons on a basic level. I'm sure they were nice, smart people i their 20s and 30s but goddamn they just lose their basic sense and critical thinking ability past that.
 
2013-12-03 04:46:56 PM
If by "understanding" you mean taking a billion pictures of yourself pouting then yes, welcome to Congress.

Their argument is the epitome of idiocy; because the Members of Congress don't own maker-bots they shouldn't be able to legislate on home-made weapons that defeat current security. Wrong, the issue is mass-producing undetectable weapons and selling them on a massive scale. Just because you bought/built a 3-D printer doesn't erase the fact that you've been able to make a 'Saturday Night Special' in your garage for the last hundred years.
 
2013-12-03 05:04:01 PM
Fark that.  It isn't about what they understand.  It is about their fear of what they don't understand and protecting the interests of their most generous campaign donors.  

/But hey, "buying the pot" is how the game is played in a capitalism.
 
2013-12-03 05:26:57 PM

Slaxl: In fact just take John McCain and put him in charge of the US Capitol IT Systems for a day. Just that one building. They must have something that can be screwed up. One day is all you need. He is the oldest, right?


That would be Ralph Hall over in the House, who is 90 years old and running for re-election. Though he was chair of the House Science Committee for a while and is a big NASA guy, so you could probably wind up doing a whole lot worse.
 
2013-12-03 05:28:43 PM

LasersHurt: Mentalpatient87: I've never learned exactly which Gen I'm even part of.. Where are the lines?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennials#Terminology

Basically... somewhere around 80 - just after 2000, with wiggle room on both ends. It's fuzzy.


The most common definition is '80-'95. The post 1995 crowd hasn't been named yet, but every time it comes up I put a plug in for Generation Bieber.
 
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