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(RealClear)   Finally some good news for Detroit: You're eligible for the largest municipal bankruptcy in U.S. history   (realclear.com) divider line 35
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2013-12-03 02:35:03 PM  
6 votes:

Smeggy Smurf: How many Democrat run cities in bankruptcy does that make now?

/financial responsibility has a conservative bias


Considering what Reagan and Bush did to the national debt, you may want to can that shiat.
2013-12-03 02:43:12 PM  
5 votes:

Pants full of macaroni!!: The lesson is clear: democrats must NEVER AGAIN be allowed to hold ANY public office in the United States.


All kidding aside, the lesson that really should be clear -- any time you have a single party running government for a long period of time without a legitimate challenge, shiat gets farked up.
2013-12-03 03:11:17 PM  
4 votes:
Democrats promise everyone the world to get elected, but have no idea what to do when the bills are due. It's actually hilarious to watch. By gosh it's our RIGHT to have EVERYTHING!  It's just like when little kids tell their parents to "JUST WRITE A CHECK" for whatever they may want after their parents explain to them that they cannot afford it. Republicans want the same nice stuff that libtards want, but they just happen to understand that you cannot have things that you cannot afford.  Amazingly simple concept that my young kids already know, but apparently its too complicated for Harvard educated Democrats to grasp.
2013-12-03 03:03:12 PM  
3 votes:
Too bad Coleman's not around to see his handiwork.
2013-12-03 02:47:49 PM  
3 votes:

meanmutton: Pants full of macaroni!!: The lesson is clear: democrats must NEVER AGAIN be allowed to hold ANY public office in the United States.

All kidding aside, the lesson that really should be clear -- any time you have a single party running government for a long period of time without a legitimate challenge, shiat gets farked up.


Yup.  This is the lesson.  Absolute power corrupts absolutely.  Exactly why there should never be lifetime politicians also.
2013-12-03 02:07:09 PM  
3 votes:
How many Democrat run cities in bankruptcy does that make now?

/financial responsibility has a conservative bias
2013-12-03 06:01:02 PM  
2 votes:

rjkline: Wouldn't it be hilarious if we had 25 states with nothing but democrats and 25 states with nothing but republicans? That is my first wish if I ever find a genie in a bottle. My second wish would be to come back about 20 years later to see the results. And my final wish is to sit back and listen to who the democrats would blame their total failure on. It would be AWESOME.....I mean totally AWESOME!


They'd both explode.

Democrats would immediately raise taxes to ridiculous levels, apply a bunch of well-intentioned and possibly necessary, but ultimately job-killing regulations, and (relatively) destroy the economy.  (Seriously, look at Europe.  Accepting higher inequality gets us some useful things like significantly higher GDP/capita, a bunch of brain drain in our favor, lower unemployment, and higher workforce participation rates).  Among other things, I'm willing to bet that at least half of them would follow the ratchet tax plan, wherein government spending tracked GDP during boom times and then when the recession hit (which it always does.  It's one of those bugs of capitalism), they'd raise taxes to compensate for lower incomes until they eventually ran out of other people's money.

Republicans would immediately cut taxes to useless levels including cutting those important things like roads and schools.  They might also go really crazily derp socially.  This would then destroy the economy as the infrastructure collapsed and the educated workforce either left or started using private schools/roads.

/TLDR: Neither extreme is good.  Republican one is probably mildly better for me personally (Namely, you can solve 75% of the problems they cause by throwing money at them whereas the Democratic one would leave me with no money), but it's a definite douche/turd scenario there.
2013-12-03 04:46:42 PM  
2 votes:
For years and years and years democrat union thugs told democrat politicians what they wanted. For years and years and years democrat politicians told democrat unions that they'll get what they want if they vote for democrats. For years and years and years public sector unions lived the great life. The unions wanted more money more money more money. The democrat politician wanted votes. None of the above was smart enough or cared enough to think of what would happen if the money stopped flowing into the govt.
2013-12-03 04:21:40 PM  
2 votes:

PunGent: Or are you one of those "fiscal conservatives" who thought we could pay for 2 wars and 2 massive expansions of federal government with tax cuts?


Isn't this similar to how people are magically able to afford healthcare insurance because they are forced to buy it by law now? Both sides of the coin are hopelessly corrupted by their agendas and affiliations, but everybody's too busy covering the deck chairs on the titanic with red and blue beach towels to notice the real problem.
2013-12-03 03:40:00 PM  
2 votes:

Orgasmatron138: Smeggy Smurf: How many Democrat run cities in bankruptcy does that make now?

/financial responsibility has a conservative bias

Considering what Reagan and Bush did to the national debt, you may want to can that shiat.


I'll just leave this here for you to read...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/national-debt-up-6-trillion-since-obama- to ok-office/
2013-12-03 02:44:01 PM  
2 votes:

Pants full of macaroni!!: The lesson is clear: democrats must NEVER AGAIN be allowed to hold ANY public office in the United States.


I think the lesson is this is what happens when you let one party stay in power too long.
2013-12-03 02:27:13 PM  
2 votes:
The lesson is clear: democrats must NEVER AGAIN be allowed to hold ANY public office in the United States.
2013-12-03 07:05:22 PM  
1 votes:

Tatterdemalian: or even walk around waving signs that accuse banks of being to blame for the loans their leaders forced them to make


Which leaders forced the banks to make fraudulent but highly profitable loans to anyone with a pulse? Loans where they did not verify the borrower's Income, Assets, or Job?

The Justice Dept. filed suit against BofA in Oct. 2012, claiming that "Countrywide eliminated every significant checkpoint on loan quality and compensated employees based solely on the volume of loans it originated, leading to rampant instances of fraud."

This case specifically deals with the toilet-paper loans that the government says were misrepresented as pristine before being sold off to Fannie and Freddie.


Of course, this was a civil case. Wouldn't want to press criminal charges for fraud or anything like that.

Yes. They were found guilty of fraud.
2013-12-03 06:16:33 PM  
1 votes:

Fusilier: megarian: AND STOP HATING ON US FOR WANTING TO KEEP OUR ART STUFF!

Seriously, it's the ONE thing we have that doesn't involve shooting stuff and fire.

Let us have this one thing, goddamnit.

Most of us have no wish to visit your blighted city. Why not send some of your capitalist-acquired world heritage quality loot out on tour to raise a few shekels for the teachers, firefighters, and even the cops who are going to get hosed.
Send a hundred items each year.


That's our plan. Apparently.

We're basically pawning our art.

And f*ck you. I'm pretty sure I saw a cop yesterday.

Could have been a stripper, though.
2013-12-03 05:45:00 PM  
1 votes:

teenage mutant ninja rapist: No longer responsible for anything in the past? Bush?


Look, if Obama hadn't tripled the size of Bush's war in Afghanistan, tried to keep us in Iraq and Afghanistan past the treaty dates for withdrawal in both, started his own war in Libya, tried to start yet another in Syria, saved the Bush tax cuts for the rich from finally expiring as scheduled at the stat of the year, etc., etc., etc., you might have a point.
2013-12-03 05:33:17 PM  
1 votes:
AND STOP HATING ON US FOR WANTING TO KEEP OUR ART STUFF!

Seriously, it's the ONE thing we have that doesn't involve shooting stuff and fire.

Let us have this one thing, goddamnit.
2013-12-03 05:16:34 PM  
1 votes:

OrangeSnapper: Frizbone: This bankruptcy resulted in people's decision to buy more reliable Japanese cars than unreliable American cars.

[pics4.city-data.com image 553x277]
Where more reliable Japanese cars come from.


www.miataturbo.net
2013-12-03 05:15:56 PM  
1 votes:

shirtsbyeric: How could this be???????

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-i-refused-to-let-detroit-go-bankru pt /


Did he say "I refuse to let Detroit go bankrupt, period"  or "if you like your municipal solvency you can keep it, period"?
2013-12-03 05:10:29 PM  
1 votes:

BullBearMS: However the banks made out like bandits, so it's all good, right?


thegrio.files.wordpress.com


Detroiters Elect Ex-Con Brian Banks As State Rep
"Banks, a Democrat and lifelong Detroiter, won a seat in Lansing as a state representative for the 1st District, representing the east side of Detroit, Harper Woods, and the tony Grosse Pointes. He won 68 percent of the vote to Republican Dan Schulte's 32 percent.

Banks, 35, was convicted eight times between 1998 and 2004 of writing bad checks and credit card fraud.

His slogan was "You can Bank on Banks."

"It's time to elect a leader, with experience and passion, who will fight for you," he wrote on his website."

Michigan voters approved a constitutional amendment in 2010 that bans anyone convicted of a felony in the last 20 years from running for office - but the caveat is the conviction has to be "related to the person's official capacity while holding any elective office."
2013-12-03 05:05:45 PM  
1 votes:

Orgasmatron138: Smeggy Smurf: How many Democrat run cities in bankruptcy does that make now?

/financial responsibility has a conservative bias

Considering what Reagan and Bush did to the national debt, you may want to can that shiat.


In this thread liberals ignore that spending starts in the legislative branch.
2013-12-03 04:57:46 PM  
1 votes:

hasty ambush: What is the cost of corruption?  Sure old businesses have left (automotive) but why have  new ones not chosen to locate in Detroit?

What are the added costs for dealing with a corrupt government when running a business? How do you recruit people to work there? Do you say "we would like you to take over our Detroit operation and we realize the school system is substandard due to rampant corruption so we will have to pay you extra to put your kids in private schools etc etc. etc".


You don't.  The big thing that's been killing Detroit (other than corruption and death of auto industry and white flight) has been that it's way too easy to move into the suburbs instead, cut your (local) taxes in half, and get way better schools and better services.

So anyone who moves into "Detroit" is actually moving into Ann Arbor or somewhere in the suburbs (or they're getting sweetheart deals to move into downtown).
2013-12-03 04:19:11 PM  
1 votes:

hermitage_deux: generally speaking... debts with interest cannot be repaid, because the dollars equal to the amount of interest accrued do not exist in the system. Only the principle amount loaned exists in the system.



Actually, this is true only when the debt is issued in a admiralty court (with a fringed flag), and the debtor's name is written in all CAPS with no middle initial. Otherwise, the debt can be paid off with gold delivered by the greys from the secret base in Antarctica.
2013-12-03 04:08:26 PM  
1 votes:
in somewhat related news... the Insane Clown Posse says they will not be holding the annual gathering of the juggalos in Southern Illinois... and that they have found a new location... and it is a 'doozy'.  I'll leave it to everyone to draw their own conclusions from this news.  (I report, you decide.)

Should I stay or should I Faygo?
2013-12-03 03:43:12 PM  
1 votes:

rjkline: Republicans want the same nice stuff that libtards want, but they just happen to understand that you cannot have things that you cannot afford.


i560.photobucket.com
2013-12-03 03:34:43 PM  
1 votes:

rjkline: Democrats promise everyone the world to get elected, but have no idea what to do when the bills are due. It's actually hilarious to watch. By gosh it's our RIGHT to have EVERYTHING!  It's just like when little kids tell their parents to "JUST WRITE A CHECK" for whatever they may want after their parents explain to them that they cannot afford it. Republicans want the same nice stuff that libtards want, but they just happen to understand that you cannot have things that you cannot afford. Amazingly simple concept that my young kids already know, but apparently its too complicated for Harvard educated Democrats to grasp.


On the off chance you're not just a troll, care to hazard a guess as to how much of the current Federal debt is Bush-era crap put on the national credit card?

Or are you one of those "fiscal conservatives" who thought we could pay for 2 wars and 2 massive expansions of federal government with tax cuts?
2013-12-03 03:08:59 PM  
1 votes:
Take that, Birmingham! Eat shiat, Orange County!
2013-12-03 03:06:00 PM  
1 votes:

AngryDragon: meanmutton: Pants full of macaroni!!: The lesson is clear: democrats must NEVER AGAIN be allowed to hold ANY public office in the United States.

All kidding aside, the lesson that really should be clear -- any time you have a single party running government for a long period of time without a legitimate challenge, shiat gets farked up.

Yup.  This is the lesson.  Absolute power corrupts absolutely.  Exactly why there should never be lifetime politicians also.


This has less to do with Detroit's city government, and more to do with our national trade policies. After WWII, the folks in Washington made lopsided deals with South Korea, Japan, and West Germany in order to prop up their economies and secure their alligience during the Cold War. This came at the expense of our manufacutring mecca, Detroit. There was never enough political pressure to change the policies even after the Cold War because by then the importers carried more clout than the unions.
2013-12-03 03:01:34 PM  
1 votes:
Hey Detroit. Here's a nice cash offer. Buy up my credit card debt and I'll give you $100 - cash! All you gotta do is add my measly credit card debt to the Bankruptcy and 5 twenties will be yours.

Now, Detroit, I'm not saying there are a lot of other people like me out there, but if you want some hard currency, this could be an idea you might want to run with.
2013-12-03 02:51:15 PM  
1 votes:

Frizbone: This bankruptcy resulted in people's decision to buy more reliable Japanese cars than unreliable American cars.


Yes, it's a damn shame they don't assemble cars in The United States any more.  A damn shame.
2013-12-03 02:49:32 PM  
1 votes:

Smeggy Smurf: How many Democrat run cities in bankruptcy does that make now?

/financial responsibility has a conservative bias


What about Orange County, CA?
2013-12-03 02:47:35 PM  
1 votes:

maliklockett: Isn't this how "Robocop 2" started?

Be on the lookout for OCP to swoop in and buy the city


I'm afraid Dave Sim's "High Society" will be a more accurate forecast.
2013-12-03 02:44:02 PM  
1 votes:

sure haven't: Can someone please explain what this means? I know it's a big deal... but exactly what does it mean when a city gets bankruptcy protection??


In Detroit's case, it means that they get to put thousands of old people on ice floes and push them out into Lake Erie.
2013-12-03 02:39:48 PM  
1 votes:
Isn't this how "Robocop 2" started?

Be on the lookout for OCP to swoop in and buy the city
2013-12-03 02:35:09 PM  
1 votes:

Frizbone: This bankruptcy resulted in people's decision to buy more reliable Japanese cars than unreliable American cars.


pics4.city-data.com
Where more reliable Japanese cars come from.
2013-12-03 02:31:46 PM  
1 votes:

Pants full of macaroni!!: The lesson is clear: democrats must NEVER AGAIN be allowed to hold ANY public office in the United States.




What the Fox says.
 
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