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(ESPN)   The Seahawks are the clear #1, the Packers barely retain Top 20 status, the Panthers leapfrog the Saints and the Breesus is in need of resurrection. It's your Week 14 ESPN NFL Power Rankings   (espn.go.com ) divider line 411
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2013-12-03 12:03:07 PM  
WHAR GRAF?
 
2013-12-03 12:12:42 PM  
I think the Saints at 5 is a bit generous after their performance last night, which can be summed up thusly:

i2.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-03 12:22:00 PM  

Nabb1: I think the Saints at 5 is a bit generous after their performance last night, which can be summed up thusly:

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They're still 9-3 and tied for the division. but last night was a thorough ass kicking, topped off by their plane being grounded and being forced to stay in Seattle. Not a lot of defenses are built to stop Brees, but if you can cover deep, you have a shot to beat them. Forcing Brees into check downs and swarming to the ball is the key. The odd stripsack TD doesn't hurt either.
 
2013-12-03 12:37:13 PM  
Good job Saints.  Everything the San Francisco players have been s**t talking about have been correct.  Your soft.  All the talent, none of the heart.

Even fricken Tampa Bay had enough heart to at least show up.  You do have excuses though, it was a bit chilly.  Some people even needed a jacket.

i1.ytimg.com

I'm not even sure they'll win the division anymore.  Carolina has a tough defense and shows heart.  The Saints auto-lose in Carolina (that whole being outdoors thing), and will probably need Hartley to kick 8 field goals at home because they sure aren't going to put up any touchdowns in the second half.  Look it up, they haven't scored a second half touchdown since the Dallas game.  THE DALLAS GAME!

Sad ...
 
2013-12-03 12:39:25 PM  
FuManchu7: you're

Disappointed rage doesn't lend itself well to correct typing.  I'm sure there are other errors.

www.thesportsbank.net
 
2013-12-03 12:51:56 PM  

Kygz: WHAR GRAF?


Well...it won't be here I guess.
 
2013-12-03 01:26:40 PM  
Your welcome for the green light subby, I reported it for the good of the sports tab.
 
2013-12-03 01:27:26 PM  

neuroflare: Your welcome for the green light subby, I reported it for the good of the sports tab.


You're...

I made the same mistake FuManchu7 did and I'm not even angry.
 
2013-12-03 01:27:44 PM  

neuroflare: Your welcome for the green light subby, I reported it for the good of the sports tab.


Hmm. I just passive-aggressively kept submitting new ones.
 
2013-12-03 01:30:43 PM  

Shame Us: neuroflare: Your welcome for the green light subby, I reported it for the good of the sports tab.

Hmm. I just passive-aggressively kept submitting new ones.


I learned that trick from a modmin once, been using it ever since to get greens for stuff.
 
2013-12-03 01:31:45 PM  

neuroflare: Shame Us: neuroflare: Your welcome for the green light subby, I reported it for the good of the sports tab.

Hmm. I just passive-aggressively kept submitting new ones.

I learned that trick from a modmin once, been using it ever since to get greens for stuff.


Never my frrivolity, just game threads and PR threads
 
2013-12-03 01:37:55 PM  
Now that that's all dispensed with - the Seahawks are too damn low.
 
2013-12-03 01:38:59 PM  

FuManchu7: Your soft. All the talent, none of the heart.


I didn't really watch the game last night, but taking on the best team in the league in their own house and losing, even losing big, doesn't prove too much about the Saints, in my mind.

At any rate, here are the FARK/FAIL ratings for week 14, all in all pretty close to ESPN:

1) Seattle (1)
2) Denver (2)
3) New Orleans (5)
4) Carolina (3)
5) New England (4)
6) Kansas City (7)
7) Cincinnati (8)
8) San Francisco (6)
9) Indianapolis (9)
10) Arizona (13)
11) Dallas (11)
12) Detroit (12)
13) Philadelphia (10)
14) Baltimore (14)
15) Miami (17)
16) San Diego (16)
17) Chicago (15)
18) Green Bay (19)
19) Pittsburgh (18)
20) Tennessee (21)
21) St. Louis (20)
22) New York Giants (22)
23) Buffalo (24)
24) New York Jets (23)
25) Cleveland (27)
26) Oakland (25)
27) Tampa Bay (26)
28) Atlanta (29)
29) Minnesota (28)
30) Jacksonville (31)
31) Washington (30)
32) Houston (32)

Parentheses are ESPN's ranks

The Eagles Are Too Damn High: -3 compared to ESPN
The Cardinals Are Too Damn Low: +3 compared to ESPN

/goddam it Redskins, why are you so bad?
 
2013-12-03 01:41:33 PM  
The Lions beneath the cowboys?  Please.
 
2013-12-03 01:42:37 PM  
Not for nothing, but even with them both being at 7-5, I think the Cowboys should be ahead of the Eagles, especially considering the 17-3 shellacking they got earlier this season.  And Dallas has no decent teams to face for the rest of the season... Bears, Packers, Redskins, each one a little worse than the last.  Final game's the Eagles again, so I guess the rankings will work themselves out.
 
2013-12-03 01:43:31 PM  

Kygz: WHAR GRAF?



DAT GRAF

// JIC preview fails me, it's Agassi staring at her well-toned gluteals
 
2013-12-03 01:45:59 PM  
I didn't really watch the game last night.....

You wouldn't have them 3rd if you'd watched.  There is losing, losing big, and getting your ass handed to you.
 
2013-12-03 01:46:09 PM  
The Saints should be lower after that turd of a game  last night.
 
2013-12-03 01:46:15 PM  

nmrsnr: The Eagles Are Too Damn High: -3 compared to ESPN


As an Eagles fan, I agree.  I don't see how you rate them higher than the Cowboys (*spit*) when the HtH match between them wasn't pretty for the Birds.  They're a hell of a lot better than I thought they'd be at the start of the season, but their record against good teams should keep them out of the top ten.

That said, i wonder about your rankings when the Cards are three places higher than the Eagles, for exactly the same reason.
 
2013-12-03 01:46:27 PM  
extras.mnginteractive.com

cmsimg.baxterbulletinonline.com

www.sfexaminer.com

nocoastbias.com
 
2013-12-03 01:46:36 PM  

AntonChigger: The Lions beneath the cowboys?  Please.


Chigger, please. Cry more, ya big baby.
 
2013-12-03 01:51:15 PM  

Di Atribe: AntonChigger: The Lions beneath the cowboys?  Please.

Chigger, please. Cry more, ya big baby.


I'm not crying, just stating my opinion.  The lions could be a great team if they could somehow play consistently from week to week, but I just think they are better than the cowboys.
 
2013-12-03 01:51:46 PM  

nmrsnr: I didn't really watch the game last night, but taking on the best team in the league in their own house and losing, even losing big, doesn't prove too much about the Saints, in my mind.


Oh honey. It was an ass-handing. LoneDoggie is right and I HATE to admit Seattle has ever done anything right.

How I feel about the Seahawks:

i27.photobucket.com

OK no more posting pictures. Really going to do the graf now, swearsies.
 
2013-12-03 01:54:00 PM  
Well, at least we're not going to pretend that these other teams are better than the Seahawks anymore.

BTW, are we sure that the Seahawks don't just narc on a CB each year in order to motivate everyone else? They have murdered teams every time they get a dude suspended.
 
2013-12-03 01:54:32 PM  

Di Atribe: nmrsnr: I didn't really watch the game last night, but taking on the best team in the league in their own house and losing, even losing big, doesn't prove too much about the Saints, in my mind.

Oh honey. It was an ass-handing. LoneDoggie is right and I HATE to admit Seattle has ever done anything right.

How I feel about the Seahawks:

[i27.photobucket.com image 450x259]

OK no more posting pictures. Really going to do the graf now, swearsies.


NAO!

walkingtowardsthelight.org
 
2013-12-03 01:55:25 PM  
Get to work Di Atribe!
 
2013-12-03 01:56:51 PM  
In before all the good stuff.  SUCCESS!  So let's get the Authentic BCS-Style Computer Rankings out of the way:

LOUD NOISES Tier
1. Seattle Seahawks (10.85 wins)
Top Tier
2. Denver Broncos (10.15)
Very High Tier
3. New Orleans Saints (9.21)
4. Carolina Panthers (8.99)
5. New England Patriots (8.92)
6. Kansas City Chiefs (8.66)
7. San Francisco 49ers (8.20)
High Tier
8. Indianapolis Colts (8.10)
9. Arizona Cardinals (7.41)
10. Cincinnati Bengals (7.35)
Upper Mid Tier
11. Dallas Cowboys (7.02)
12. Philadelphia Eagles (6.69)
13. Detroit Lions (6.21)
14. Miami Dolphins (6.12)
Lower Mid Tier
15. St. Louis Rams (5.52)
16. Chicago Bears (5.44)
17. Baltimore Ravens (5.28)
18. New York Giants (5.28)
19. Tennessee Titans (5.13)
20. San Diego Chargers (5.02)
21. New York Jets (4.98)
22. Green Bay Packers (4.94)
Low Tier
23. Pittsburgh Steelers (4.41)
24. Buffalo Bills (4.31)
25. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (4.00)
26. Oakland Raiders (3.83)
27. Atlanta Falcons (3.82)
Very Low Tier
28. Cleveland Browns (3.63)
29. Jacksonville Jaguars (3.51)
30. Minnesota Vikings (3.37)
31. Washington Redskins (3.06)
Bottom Tier
32. Houston Texans (2.60)
 
2013-12-03 01:58:32 PM  
Looking at the rest of the season for the Bears...I think I'm most nervous about the Browns, as they are legitimately the only 'should beat' entry remaining.


Ow, my season!
 
2013-12-03 01:59:26 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: That said, i wonder about your rankings when the Cards are three places higher than the Eagles, for exactly the same reason.


It's based on strength of opponent in the week they played. Basically it comes down to the Cardinals beat the Colts who are doing very well, while the only good team the Eagles beat are the Cardinals.
 
2013-12-03 02:00:39 PM  
The Seahawks streatch into the playoffs is not looking as door-matish as it once did. SF, NYG, AZ, STL are all dangerous right now. Thankfully, AZ and STL are at home and all we need to do is go 2-2 to lock up the 1 seed.
 
2013-12-03 02:03:24 PM  

AntonChigger: The Lions beneath the cowboys?  Please.


Agreed. After the drubbing the Lions put on the Packers last week, Detroit deserved to move up more than it did. At the very least they deserved to be up past the Cowboys.

/Go Lions!
//There are two NFL teams to root for. The Detroit Lions and whoever is playing the Cowboys.
///Yes, this means I do occasionally root for Green Bay and Chicago.
////... and Minnesota, though usually rooting for a tie instead.
 
2013-12-03 02:03:49 PM  
Y'know what's funny? When Marshall Faulk talks about football and is wrong all the time despite having played for over a decade and being amployed as an "analyst" by the NFL itself.
 
2013-12-03 02:05:27 PM  
Seattle doesn't lose at home in games in which the crowd gives a fark.

They don't lose at home in games in which the crowd doesn't give a fark, but those are a lot closer.
 
2013-12-03 02:05:32 PM  

Cowboy Spencer: Get to work Di Atribe!


As soon as I really get on a roll, my fb im blows up AND people start posting "72 dead in Boston gun confiscation" story. Has anyone ever done a farking google search before? Geez. 238 year old news is so exciting.
 
2013-12-03 02:05:51 PM  
Alright, three losses by 20 points are out of the way. Time to get this sh*t back on track.

img.fark.net
 
2013-12-03 02:06:50 PM  

Shame Us: The Seahawks streatch into the playoffs is not looking as door-matish as it once did. SF, NYG, AZ, STL are all dangerous right now. Thankfully, AZ and STL are at home and all we need to do is go 2-2 to lock up the 1 seed.


NYG are still garbage. They haven't beaten anyone even at the level of AZ or STL. (You could claim Philly, but they beat Philly with Barkley at QB).
 
2013-12-03 02:07:02 PM  

Techhell: //There are two NFL teams to root for. The Detroit Lions and whoever is playing the Cowboys.


Oh, so a well thought- out, objective opinion. Got it.
 
2013-12-03 02:07:05 PM  
Don't know how they'll do in NY/NJ for the Super Bowl, but I don't see a chance in hell of another NFC beating Seattle in the playoffs as long as they hold home field. With a 2-game advantage and only 4 games to go, I don't see much likelihood of them losing that advantage to anyone, either.
 
2013-12-03 02:09:34 PM  

IAmRight: Shame Us: The Seahawks streatch into the playoffs is not looking as door-matish as it once did. SF, NYG, AZ, STL are all dangerous right now. Thankfully, AZ and STL are at home and all we need to do is go 2-2 to lock up the 1 seed.

NYG are still garbage. They haven't beaten anyone even at the level of AZ or STL. (You could claim Philly, but they beat Philly with Barkley at QB).


The only thing that bothers me is that if we beat SF this week, going into NY in an early game 3000 miles away with the #1 seed all but locked up could lead to quite a let down.
 
2013-12-03 02:10:38 PM  
Falcons Rise Up!

oh wait...

We only beat the Bills.
 
2013-12-03 02:11:14 PM  
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Good thing the Panther's front office didn't listen to "Fans" during the 1-3 start.  I'll take Cam over almost any QB in the league right now.
 
2013-12-03 02:11:16 PM  

Techhell: AntonChigger: The Lions beneath the cowboys?  Please.

Agreed. After the drubbing the Lions put on the Packers last week, Detroit deserved to move up more than it did. At the very least they deserved to be up past the Cowboys.

/Go Lions!
//There are two NFL teams to root for. The Detroit Lions and whoever is playing the Cowboys.
///Yes, this means I do occasionally root for Green Bay and Chicago.
////... and Minnesota, though usually rooting for a tie instead.


To be fair, they beat the 'Packers', who have pretty much given up on football until they can bolt a new arm onto Rodgers.  That said, I agree that they should be above Dallas, just by virtue of having squeaked out that win earlier.  Should be an interesting game against the Eagles.
 
2013-12-03 02:14:10 PM  

Di Atribe: nmrsnr: I didn't really watch the game last night, but taking on the best team in the league in their own house and losing, even losing big, doesn't prove too much about the Saints, in my mind.

Oh honey. It was an ass-handing. LoneDoggie is right and I HATE to admit Seattle has ever done anything right.

How I feel about the Seahawks:

[i27.photobucket.com image 450x259]

OK no more posting pictures. Really going to do the graf now, swearsies.


How? Unless you are a NFCW fan, our franchise has only become REALLY relevant this last couple of years.

Is it latent "I can't stand USC" hate or something?
 
2013-12-03 02:14:55 PM  

It's time for YOUR week 13

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FARKISTAN EXTREME ELIMINATION CHALLENGE

UPDATE


After Starting with  54 players back in the shadowy realms of week 1 when the Atlanta Falcons were considered a play off favorite, we were down to a mere  3 players coming in to the week 13 games. And after gorging themselves on pumpkin pie, leftover turkey and the greatest thanksgiving foodstuff of all, beer, green bean casserole, the FARKISTAN EXTREME ELIMINATION CHALLENGE lost a whopping 33.33% of its player base. Yes, Ladies, Gentlemen, Bunny & Di, we are down to a mere  2 survivors.

Let us take a moment to commiserate with our bronze medal recipient:

Daedalus27, who picked the  Chicago Bears to beat the  Minnesota Vikingsbut was thwarted by a combination of wind and our  Eliminator NFL Player of The Week, Mr.  Blair Walsh, of the said Vikings.

But what of our surviving duo?  Who are the two Farkers locked into a four week Thunderdome from which only one can emerge victorious?

I'm glad you asked.The survivors are:
Senorbenedict who picked the  Carolina Panthers to beat the suddenly-frisky  Tampa Bay Buccaneers, which they preceded to do like the hapless Bucs were a government mule, which is why this prediction gets the coveted  Wizard Hat Of The Week!

wjllope's WAGs correctly predicted that the  New England Patriots could overcome the woeful Case Keenum-led  Houston Texans and after some serious squeaky bumtime, was also vindicated.

That's all for this week, and remember:

DON'T! GET! ELIMINATED!

 
2013-12-03 02:17:38 PM  

togaman2k: Falcons Rise Up!

oh wait...

We only beat the Bills.


Rise up and lose draft position. I'm surprised they aren't trying the KC method of taking the first pick, then start rocking the wins next season.
 
2013-12-03 02:17:59 PM  

Jster422: Looking at the rest of the season for the Bears...I think I'm most nervous about the Browns, as they are legitimately the only 'should beat' entry remaining.


Ow, my season!


If Briggs and Cutler can't come back, it doesn't matter if they limp into the playoffs; they will be summarily dismissed.
 
2013-12-03 02:18:02 PM  

Techhell: AntonChigger: The Lions beneath the cowboys?  Please.

Agreed. After the drubbing the Lions put on the Packers last week, Detroit deserved to move up more than it did. At the very least they deserved to be up past the Cowboys.

/Go Lions!
//There are two NFL teams to root for. The Detroit Lions and whoever is playing the Cowboys.
///Yes, this means I do occasionally root for Green Bay and Chicago.
////... and Minnesota, though usually rooting for a tie instead.


You sound like my coworker, his favorite team is whoever is playing the Cowboys.
 
2013-12-03 02:18:17 PM  

Smelly McUgly: Di Atribe: nmrsnr: I didn't really watch the game last night, but taking on the best team in the league in their own house and losing, even losing big, doesn't prove too much about the Saints, in my mind.

Oh honey. It was an ass-handing. LoneDoggie is right and I HATE to admit Seattle has ever done anything right.

How I feel about the Seahawks:

[i27.photobucket.com image 450x259]

OK no more posting pictures. Really going to do the graf now, swearsies.

How? Unless you are a NFCW fan, our franchise has only become REALLY relevant this last couple of years.

Is it latent "I can't stand USC" hate or something?


She's a Cowboy fan and the Seahawks produced the most pictographically brutal moment of Romo's career while simultaneoulsy knocking the 'Boys out of the playoffs on an improbably FUBAR'd chipshot game-winning FG. That plus us Seahawk fans incessantly posting the Romo-grabbing-his-facemask-while-sitting-in-defeat-on-theCentury-Link- field pic that I would post here, but I promised Di I would not anymore.
 
2013-12-03 02:19:27 PM  
The Cowboys opponents are my 2nd favorite team as well.

/But I'm a 'Skins fan, so that's how it should be
 
2013-12-03 02:19:29 PM  

Smelly McUgly: Di Atribe: nmrsnr: I didn't really watch the game last night, but taking on the best team in the league in their own house and losing, even losing big, doesn't prove too much about the Saints, in my mind.

Oh honey. It was an ass-handing. LoneDoggie is right and I HATE to admit Seattle has ever done anything right.

How I feel about the Seahawks:

[i27.photobucket.com image 450x259]

OK no more posting pictures. Really going to do the graf now, swearsies.

How? Unless you are a NFCW fan, our franchise has only become REALLY relevant this last couple of years.

Is it latent "I can't stand USC" hate or something?


This is probably why:

ww1.hdnux.com
 
2013-12-03 02:19:53 PM  
Yeah Niners!

I got to be honest though I'm a bit nervous about the game on Sunday with Seattle comming to town. Niners are on the upswing, hopefully we can kill some of Seattle's momentum.

/And their running back.
//because I hate skittles.
 
2013-12-03 02:20:03 PM  

Smelly McUgly: How? Unless you are a NFCW fan, our franchise has only become REALLY relevant this last couple of years.


Well, her boy Romo's greatest and original failure occurred in Seattle and people always bring it up when discussing his "chokiness," though most who bring it up are not Seahawks fans.

/we should still be mad at the Cowboys for Julius Jones
//but really, we're mad at our front office, because the only time that dude was ever worth anything on the field was against us
 
2013-12-03 02:21:11 PM  

IAmRight: Smelly McUgly: How? Unless you are a NFCW fan, our franchise has only become REALLY relevant this last couple of years.

Well, her boy Romo's greatest and original failure occurred in Seattle and people always bring it up when discussing his "chokiness," though most who bring it up are not Seahawks fans.

/we should still be mad at the Cowboys for Julius Jones
//but really, we're mad at our front office, because the only time that dude was ever worth anything on the field was against us


Tim Ruskell was a f*cking joke.
 
2013-12-03 02:21:25 PM  

ShadowLAnCeR: //because I hate skittles.


Well, at least you're consistent in your poor taste, from football team through candy.
 
2013-12-03 02:21:29 PM  

Shame Us: They're still 9-3 and tied for the division. but last night was a thorough ass kicking, topped off by their plane being grounded and being forced to stay in Seattle


So the Jets stopped them too?

HA!
 
2013-12-03 02:22:08 PM  
Man, I knew I should've placed a bet against the Bills.  Ah well, back to staring blankly at an empty white wall.
 
2013-12-03 02:22:14 PM  

FuManchu7: togaman2k: Falcons Rise Up!

oh wait...

We only beat the Bills.

Rise up and lose draft position. I'm surprised they aren't trying the KC method of taking the first pick, then start rocking the wins next season.


I'm rooting for a slightly different outcome.  I'd love to see them enter the draft at #3 or #4 and trade back to just past #10 and pick up 5 or 6 additional picks for rounds 1-3.  We need more than just Clowney or a left tackle.  We need several good players instead of just one great one.
 
2013-12-03 02:22:15 PM  

apt311: So the Jets stopped them too again?

HA!


FTFY
 
2013-12-03 02:23:53 PM  

apt311: Shame Us: They're still 9-3 and tied for the division. but last night was a thorough ass kicking, topped off by their plane being grounded and being forced to stay in Seattle

So the Jets stopped them too?

HA!


If it's outdoors and below 70 degrees a Girl Scout troop would stop them.
 
2013-12-03 02:25:04 PM  

IAmRight: ShadowLAnCeR: //because I hate skittles.

Well, at least you're consistent in your poor taste, from football team through candy.


Hahaha....thanks?
 
2013-12-03 02:25:49 PM  
The Bears are too damn high.

/Bears fan
 
2013-12-03 02:26:01 PM  

togaman2k: FuManchu7: togaman2k: Falcons Rise Up!

oh wait...

We only beat the Bills.

Rise up and lose draft position. I'm surprised they aren't trying the KC method of taking the first pick, then start rocking the wins next season.

I'm rooting for a slightly different outcome.  I'd love to see them enter the draft at #3 or #4 and trade back to just past #10 and pick up 5 or 6 additional picks for rounds 1-3.  We need more than just Clowney or a left tackle.  We need several good players instead of just one great one.


...god almighty that would be a trade raping of epic proportions. A 4th pick is worth 1800 points and a 10th is worth 1300. Even if you got 6 picks at the bottom of the 3rd round you'd still be absolutely crushing the other team on that deal.
 
2013-12-03 02:26:52 PM  
Also, the Jags are too damn low. They've won 3 of 4! Just because you want to set up a 31 vs 32 matchup...not acceptable.
 
2013-12-03 02:27:32 PM  

FuManchu7: apt311: Shame Us: They're still 9-3 and tied for the division. but last night was a thorough ass kicking, topped off by their plane being grounded and being forced to stay in Seattle

So the Jets stopped them too?

HA!

If it's outdoors and below 70 degrees a Girl Scout troop would stop them.


The offensive line - of lack thereof - was a bigger problem for the Saints than the weather was last night.
 
2013-12-03 02:29:01 PM  
Jesus, the Jags have a legit shot to go 7-9 with their remaining schedule. Not that they'll be favored...but they could beat all those teams.

Treygreen13: ...god almighty that would be a trade raping of epic proportions. A 4th pick is worth 1800 points and a 10th is worth 1300. Even if you got 6 picks at the bottom of the 3rd round you'd still be absolutely crushing the other team on that deal.


Yeah, Washington's already missing all their top picks.
 
2013-12-03 02:31:50 PM  
he Eagles exploited a hole in Arizona's defense, with tight ends catching all three touchdowns. The Cardinals' defense has allowed the most yards and touchdowns by opposing tight ends.


on one hand, we've played some of the best in the game (Jimmy graham, gonzales, and i think both DET and HOU (?) had smoe monsters, so you hav eto account for that, but......yeah.  we've been getting ate the fark up by TEs.

bizarrely, it reflects how strong the secondary and line is.  P2 and Tyrann Mathieu are often drawn into the deep end of the pool, while the line is pretty serviceable.  But, when teams send the WRs on longer routes, we have to stretch with them, and that leaves that shiatty farking 8-yd release / dump to the TE wide the fark open in the open field.  there's constantly that big farking gap behind the line and the secondary, and teams have just carved us there.

with the los to the Eagles i am sticking a fork in the 2013 playoff run.  too much ground to cover.  hey, i don't feel bad.  i preducted 6-10 generously.

big question is what do we draft?  QB appearsssssss to be settled for the short term, but we should take one anywyas.  probably load up on the Oline as that's where / why Carsson has struggled, when he has struggled.
 
2013-12-03 02:32:00 PM  

Orgasmatron138: Jster422: Looking at the rest of the season for the Bears...I think I'm most nervous about the Browns, as they are legitimately the only 'should beat' entry remaining.


Ow, my season!

If Briggs and Cutler can't come back, it doesn't matter if they limp into the playoffs; they will be summarily dismissed.


Oh, I'm well past playoff thoughts - all that remains to be salvaged this year is NOT having it be a year in which we lose to the Browns (twice, if we count pre-season).
 
2013-12-03 02:32:04 PM  
There's not enough love for new England in this thread since they are headed for the title game.

Only Best Manning can beat Brady, Peyton doesnt do as well at beating Brady.
 
2013-12-03 02:33:03 PM  

Nabb1: FuManchu7: apt311: Shame Us: They're still 9-3 and tied for the division. but last night was a thorough ass kicking, topped off by their plane being grounded and being forced to stay in Seattle

So the Jets stopped them too?

HA!

If it's outdoors and below 70 degrees a Girl Scout troop would stop them.

The offensive line - of lack thereof - was a bigger problem for the Saints than the weather was last night.


I guess having three of your five linen being pro bowl caliber isn't enough?

As I said in my original rant, the problem isn't talent. They have as much talent as the best teams in the league. Their problem is a lack of heart. How else do you get pushed around by the Jets?
 
2013-12-03 02:35:11 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x832]

Good thing the Panther's front office didn't listen to "Fans" during the 1-3 start.  I'll take Cam over almost any QB in the league right now.


And if anybody knows about playing in a loud, hostile environment against a good team...it's him.
 
2013-12-03 02:35:43 PM  

Clash City Farker: Only Best Manning can beat Brady, Peyton doesnt do as well at beating Brady.


It's like rock-paper-scissors: Eli beats Tom, Tom beats Peyton, Peyton beats Eli.
 
2013-12-03 02:38:10 PM  
Giants at #22? 'kay.

Frankly I want the Giants to fail just enough so that a Top 10 pick is a certainty.  The way Tuck manhandled the 'Skins OL Sun. night has me thinking either OL or DL at that point.
 
2013-12-03 02:38:18 PM  

FuManchu7: Nabb1: FuManchu7: apt311: Shame Us: They're still 9-3 and tied for the division. but last night was a thorough ass kicking, topped off by their plane being grounded and being forced to stay in Seattle

So the Jets stopped them too?

HA!

If it's outdoors and below 70 degrees a Girl Scout troop would stop them.

The offensive line - of lack thereof - was a bigger problem for the Saints than the weather was last night.

I guess having three of your five linen being pro bowl caliber isn't enough?

As I said in my original rant, the problem isn't talent. They have as much talent as the best teams in the league. Their problem is a lack of heart. How else do you get pushed around by the Jets?


The o-line played lousy last night. Period. They have played better at times, but the offensive line has had issues this season.
 
2013-12-03 02:38:27 PM  

Clash City Farker: Only Best Manning can beat Brady


I would think the best Manning would be the one that can make the playoffs every year.
 
2013-12-03 02:38:55 PM  
I am a Dolphins fan and I think they are a bit high. 15 is where they should be when they beat Pittsburgh this weekend.

Detroit should be ahead of Dallas, Saints should be lower
 
2013-12-03 02:39:31 PM  

Treygreen13: togaman2k: FuManchu7: togaman2k: Falcons Rise Up!

oh wait...

We only beat the Bills.

Rise up and lose draft position. I'm surprised they aren't trying the KC method of taking the first pick, then start rocking the wins next season.

I'm rooting for a slightly different outcome.  I'd love to see them enter the draft at #3 or #4 and trade back to just past #10 and pick up 5 or 6 additional picks for rounds 1-3.  We need more than just Clowney or a left tackle.  We need several good players instead of just one great one.

...god almighty that would be a trade raping of epic proportions. A 4th pick is worth 1800 points and a 10th is worth 1300. Even if you got 6 picks at the bottom of the 3rd round you'd still be absolutely crushing the other team on that deal.


Others are probably more knowledgeable than I am on the subject.  I don't remember what it cost the Falcons to move up to get Julio Jones or what the big one was last year.  I don't usually care to expend brain energy remembering college recruits or anything draft related.

Plus the filter at work blocks pretty much anything that remotely references sports (except the Falcons and Braves sites because he has season tickets) so I can't really do any meaningful research.
 
2013-12-03 02:39:44 PM  
The Donkos (not they aren't a good team), have only beaten 1 team with a winning record (twice). I smell playoff upset, and thats before Mannin's curse.
 
2013-12-03 02:40:05 PM  

togaman2k: FuManchu7: togaman2k: Falcons Rise Up!

oh wait...

We only beat the Bills.

Rise up and lose draft position. I'm surprised they aren't trying the KC method of taking the first pick, then start rocking the wins next season.

I'm rooting for a slightly different outcome.  I'd love to see them enter the draft at #3 or #4 and trade back to just past #10 and pick up 5 or 6 additional picks for rounds 1-3.  We need more than just Clowney or a left tackle.  We need several good players instead of just one great one.


No Gm would ever trade up 6 spots for 5 or 6 top of the draft picks. Absolutely ridiculous. Mayube you get a 2 in that deal. Maybe a 3 and a 4 or something, but no chance you pick up 5-6 picks for a #4 pick.
 
2013-12-03 02:40:14 PM  

IAmRight: Clash City Farker: Only Best Manning can beat Brady

I would think the best Manning would be the one that can make the playoffs every year.


Best Manning has two rings; last time I checked Peyton's only got one to his name.
 
2013-12-03 02:40:21 PM  
Manning.
 
2013-12-03 02:40:43 PM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: Alright, three losses by 20 points are out of the way. Time to get this sh*t back on track.

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We just need the receivers to catch a few more balls--I'm looking at you Stone Hands Avery--and the defense to play with some more effort.  They looked dead during the second half.
And top 10 in the power ranking seems fair.  A vast improvement over seasons past.  Can't complain too much about the season right now.
 
2013-12-03 02:41:02 PM  
Also, did Brees have concussion symptoms prior to the game? Because twice he tried to go deep on Sherman on third down and that's just pants-on-head retarded, especially when the rest of the Seahawks corners are playing up a peg.

/or maybe he just doesn't find it much fun trying to pick on the weaker links
 
2013-12-03 02:42:13 PM  

Rwa2play: IAmRight: Clash City Farker: Only Best Manning can beat Brady

I would think the best Manning would be the one that can make the playoffs every year.

Best Manning has two rings; last time I checked Peyton's only got one to his name.


I guess when rings are all you have, you pretend those have any significant relationship to quarterback play.
 
2013-12-03 02:42:30 PM  

IAmRight: Also, did Brees have concussion symptoms prior to the game? Because twice he tried to go deep on Sherman on third down and that's just pants-on-head retarded, especially when the rest of the Seahawks corners are playing up a peg.

/or maybe he just doesn't find it much fun trying to pick on the weaker links


I'm just shocked they didn't decide to play 4 WRs and take their chances.  Nothing else worked for them last night.
 
2013-12-03 02:42:44 PM  

IAmRight: Jesus, the Jags have a legit shot to go 7-9 with their remaining schedule. Not that they'll be favored...but they could beat all those teams.


It is within the realm of possibility that the Jaguars make the wild card at 7-9, which would put Bunny in a happier mood.

I can't decide if the Cardinals are too high or too low.
 
2013-12-03 02:42:50 PM  

IAmRight: Smelly McUgly: How? Unless you are a NFCW fan, our franchise has only become REALLY relevant this last couple of years.

Well, her boy Romo's greatest and original failure occurred in Seattle and people always bring it up when discussing his "chokiness," though most who bring it up are not Seahawks fans.


That is incorrect. Seahawks fans (although not you & Shame Us so much) have been pretty consistent at being awful about it. Seven years ago & they still can't let it go. It's pathetic.
 
2013-12-03 02:43:15 PM  

FuManchu7: Nabb1: FuManchu7: apt311: Shame Us: They're still 9-3 and tied for the division. but last night was a thorough ass kicking, topped off by their plane being grounded and being forced to stay in Seattle

So the Jets stopped them too?

HA!

If it's outdoors and below 70 degrees a Girl Scout troop would stop them.

The offensive line - of lack thereof - was a bigger problem for the Saints than the weather was last night.

I guess having three of your five linen being pro bowl caliber isn't enough?

As I said in my original rant, the problem isn't talent. They have as much talent as the best teams in the league. Their problem is a lack of heart. How else do you get pushed around by the Jets?


The Jets D-Line is legit. The only thing that's consistently working on that team.
 
2013-12-03 02:44:09 PM  

IAmRight: Also, did Brees have concussion symptoms prior to the game?


what about that weak sauce "hands to face" penalty where he snapped his head back like he got clocked my mike tyson.  i thought that temporarily, Mani Ginobili was under center.  flop bastard.
 
2013-12-03 02:44:27 PM  

Di Atribe: IAmRight: Smelly McUgly: How? Unless you are a NFCW fan, our franchise has only become REALLY relevant this last couple of years.

Well, her boy Romo's greatest and original failure occurred in Seattle and people always bring it up when discussing his "chokiness," though most who bring it up are not Seahawks fans.

That is incorrect. Seahawks fans (although not you & Shame Us so much) have been pretty consistent at being awful about it. Seven years ago & they still can't let it go. It's pathetic.


Let's be clear. We're really only talking about The_Sponge here.
 
2013-12-03 02:44:38 PM  

iron_city_ap: The Donkos (not they aren't a good team), have only beaten 1 team with a winning record (twice). I smell playoff upset, and thats before Mannin's curse.


I don't know what you are trying to say here.

Philly and Dallas currently have winning records.  Baltimore is 6-6.
 
2013-12-03 02:44:39 PM  
Redskins got a little screwed by the phantom down thing, but I can't argue their ranking. My god are they terribad this year. My one wish is that they win a division game this year. Preferably the 12/22 tilt vs. the Cowboys.

/Not like a win hurts or helps draft chances except for the Rams
 
2013-12-03 02:44:42 PM  

Shame Us: No Gm would ever trade up 6 spots for 5 or 6 top of the draft picks.


img.gawkerassets.com

Challenge accepted.
 
2013-12-03 02:45:53 PM  

Dafatone: Seattle doesn't lose at home in games in which the crowd gives a fark.

They don't lose at home in games in which the crowd doesn't give a fark, but those are a lot closer.


Russell Wilson has still not tasted the salty tears of defeat when he starts in Seattle.

Who holds the longest home game winning streak as starting QB?
 
2013-12-03 02:46:12 PM  

IAmRight: Rwa2play: IAmRight: Clash City Farker: Only Best Manning can beat Brady

I would think the best Manning would be the one that can make the playoffs every year.

Best Manning has two rings; last time I checked Peyton's only got one to his name.

I guess when rings are all you have, you pretend those have any significant relationship to quarterback play.


Tell that to Dan Marino.
 
2013-12-03 02:46:39 PM  

Techhell: AntonChigger: The Lions beneath the cowboys?  Please.

Agreed. After the drubbing the Lions put on the Packers last week, Detroit deserved to move up more than it did. At the very least they deserved to be up past the Cowboys.

/Go Lions!
//There are two NFL teams to root for. The Detroit Lions and whoever is playing the Cowboys.
///Yes, this means I do occasionally root for Green Bay and Chicago.
////... and Minnesota, though usually rooting for a tie instead.


You lost to the Bucs that's why
 
2013-12-03 02:47:17 PM  

harleyquinnical: I can't decide if the Cardinals are too high or too low.


ther'es a ton of talent defensively.  P2 and Mathieu, Karlos Dansby should be all pros.  Dansby should have, and i'm not kidding, at least 6 if not 7 INTs.  HE'S A DEFENSIVE END.  he had a pick six two weeks ago but he's dropped a ton of passes.

the o line is the biggest problem.  our #1 pick overall (Cooper) went down in tranining camp, so we had to shuffle the line.  injury and, well, a guy that shouldn'tbe starting (Sowell) have resulted in just bad play.  we can't runt he ball as well sa we'd like, and when palmer doesn't get time, you can't complete passes.

dunno.  2nd in the West would be possible but no wild card this year.
 
2013-12-03 02:47:28 PM  

IAmRight: Also, did Brees have concussion symptoms prior to the game? Because twice he tried to go deep on Sherman on third down and that's just pants-on-head retarded, especially when the rest of the Seahawks corners are playing up a peg.

/or maybe he just doesn't find it much fun trying to pick on the weaker links


I think he figured there was pressure in his face, so his knee-jerk read is to the #1 WR on the right side running deep with a one-on-one match-up against the blitz. The problem is that the Seahawks were gettin gpressure without bringing much of a blitz and Richard Sherman is a grown-ass man. Also, IIRC the 1st one was to Meachum and the 2nd was to Stills. Not exactly a HOF tandem there.
 
2013-12-03 02:47:59 PM  
Flynn gets the Jake... *sad* GO Pack go ....
 
2013-12-03 02:48:24 PM  

IanMoone: Dafatone: Seattle doesn't lose at home in games in which the crowd gives a fark.

They don't lose at home in games in which the crowd doesn't give a fark, but those are a lot closer.

Russell Wilson has still not tasted the salty tears of defeat when he starts in Seattle.

Who holds the longest home game winning streak as starting QB?


Danny White won his first 16 home games.
 
2013-12-03 02:48:58 PM  

rickythepenguin: dunno.  2nd in the West would be possible but no wild card this year.


2nd in the West is pretty much guaranteed a wild card
 
2013-12-03 02:50:17 PM  
Di Atribe: That is incorrect. Seahawks fans (although not you & Shame Us so much) have been pretty consistent at being awful about it. Seven years ago & they still can't let it go. It's pathetic.

I admit I am guilty of this, but I apologized.  Since I've been able to watch the Cowboys more this year, I've let it go.  Romo's better than that.
 
2013-12-03 02:50:23 PM  

rickythepenguin: harleyquinnical: I can't decide if the Cardinals are too high or too low.

ther'es a ton of talent defensively.  P2 and Mathieu, Karlos Dansby should be all pros.  Dansby should have, and i'm not kidding, at least 6 if not 7 INTs.  HE'S A DEFENSIVE END.  he had a pick six two weeks ago but he's dropped a ton of passes.

the o line is the biggest problem.  our #1 pick overall (Cooper) went down in tranining camp, so we had to shuffle the line.  injury and, well, a guy that shouldn'tbe starting (Sowell) have resulted in just bad play.  we can't runt he ball as well sa we'd like, and when palmer doesn't get time, you can't complete passes.

dunno.  2nd in the West would be possible but no wild card this year.


Peterson I could see being all-pro, but Mathieu is not one of the top 2 corners in the league. Dansby is solid as well, but I don't think he makes the Top 4 LBs either. Both good players, but All-Pro is a tough tough team to make.
 
2013-12-03 02:52:13 PM  

rickythepenguin: IAmRight: Also, did Brees have concussion symptoms prior to the game?

what about that weak sauce "hands to face" penalty where he snapped his head back like he got clocked my mike tyson.  i thought that temporarily, Mani Ginobili was under center.  flop bastard.


Eh, I didn't think the hit on Wilson merited a flag either so I called it a makeup call. Still maintain that Sherman's "unnecessary roughness" was a horrible call - you're allowed to hold WRs when the QB breaks the pocket, you can push them out of bounds, too. Hell, that was when I decided I liked Cortland Finnegan - on a play where a QB broke the pocket, he pushed the closest guy to him out of bounds, basically making him an ineligible receiver (unless the ball got tipped) for the rest of the play so he could chase the QB. That's smart sh*t.

IanMoone: Russell Wilson has still not tasted the salty tears of defeat when he starts in Seattle.


Hell, he hasn't lost at home since NC State. You could even include preseason in there for the hell of it and he still hasn't lost at home.
 
2013-12-03 02:52:54 PM  

harleyquinnical: Di Atribe: That is incorrect. Seahawks fans (although not you & Shame Us so much) have been pretty consistent at being awful about it. Seven years ago & they still can't let it go. It's pathetic.

I admit I am guilty of this, but I apologized.  Since I've been able to watch the Cowboys more this year, I've let it go.  Romo's better than that.


Thank you! That is very much appreciated.
 
2013-12-03 02:52:58 PM  

harleyquinnical: Di Atribe: That is incorrect. Seahawks fans (although not you & Shame Us so much) have been pretty consistent at being awful about it. Seven years ago & they still can't let it go. It's pathetic.

I admit I am guilty of this, but I apologized.  Since I've been able to watch the Cowboys more this year, I've let it go.  Romo's better than that.


Statistically speaking, Romo is an elite QB. Dallas has failed to put a team capable of performing consistently around him, especially at RB though Murray is solid now. Has he been the victim of his own ill-timed failure? Yeah, a little bit and he admits it, but their mediocrity is not all on him. Mostly, it's on jerruh and garrett and wade phillips, but mostly jerruh for hiring those guys.
 
2013-12-03 02:53:17 PM  

Rwa2play: IAmRight: Clash City Farker: Only Best Manning can beat Brady

I would think the best Manning would be the one that can make the playoffs every year.

Best Manning has two rings; last time I checked Peyton's only got one to his name.


Yes, the only measurement to a good QB is a ring.

Let's see.

Peyton is 2nd all time in pass yards, 2nd all time in pass completions, 2nd in all time touchdowns thrown, fastest ever to 50,000 yards, fastest ever to 60,000 yards, fastest to 4,000 completions, fastest to 400 passing touchdowns, 4x MVP, most seasons with at least 4,000 passing yards.....the list goes on and on and on.

The guy is going to be the greatest statistical passer the league has ever seen.

Sorry if he doesn't have two+ rings to meet your guidelines.
 
2013-12-03 02:53:18 PM  
rickythepenguin: dunno.  2nd in the West would be possible but no wild card this year.

Play with the ESPN Playoff Machine a bit.  I think the Cardinals have a chance at it, but they need at least 10 wins and San Fran to stumble at the line.
 
2013-12-03 02:54:19 PM  
Too much scrolling to find my favorite teams, says this NY sports fan.

Ugh.
 
2013-12-03 02:55:04 PM  

harleyquinnical: rickythepenguin: dunno.  2nd in the West would be possible but no wild card this year.

Play with the ESPN Playoff Machine a bit.  I think the Cardinals have a chance at it, but they need at least 10 wins and San Fran to stumble at the line.


Well, Seattle can be nice if they want and give the Cards a win after beating the 49ers...leading to a whole offseason of 49ers fans crying about how Seattle "didn't want them in the playoffs."
 
2013-12-03 02:55:26 PM  

Clash City Farker: There's not enough love for new England in this thread since they are headed for the title game.

Only Best Manning can beat Brady, Peyton doesnt do as well at beating Brady.


I was surprised they didn't lose some ground in the power rankings after nearly choking to Houston.  Then I remembered this is the ESPN power rankings.
 
2013-12-03 02:56:15 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: iron_city_ap: The Donkos (not they aren't a good team), have only beaten 1 team with a winning record (twice). I smell playoff upset, and thats before Mannin's curse.

I don't know what you are trying to say here.

Philly and Dallas currently have winning records.  Baltimore is 6-6.


Not when they played them. Again, Denver is a solid team, but they are primed for a playoff upset.
 
2013-12-03 02:56:19 PM  

IAmRight: rickythepenguin: IAmRight: Also, did Brees have concussion symptoms prior to the game?

what about that weak sauce "hands to face" penalty where he snapped his head back like he got clocked my mike tyson. i thought that temporarily, Mani Ginobili was under center. flop bastard.

Eh, I didn't think the hit on Wilson merited a flag either so I called it a makeup call. Still maintain that Sherman's "unnecessary roughness" was a horrible call - you're allowed to hold WRs when the QB breaks the pocket, you can push them out of bounds, too. Hell, that was when I decided I liked Cortland Finnegan - on a play where a QB broke the pocket, he pushed the closest guy to him out of bounds, basically making him an ineligible receiver (unless the ball got tipped) for the rest of the play so he could chase the QB. That's smart sh*t.


Sherman can shove Stills (who was just standing around in the endzone for no reason while Brees ran for his life...seriously, WTF dude?) OOB, but the got him for the unnecessary roughness. A legit call, I think. All he has to do is shove him a little, but he loads up and pops him from his blindside.
 
2013-12-03 02:57:18 PM  
Sigh falcons cant even keep a line on the #1 overall pick next year

/Houston stop sucking so damn hard
 
2013-12-03 02:57:25 PM  

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2013-12-03 02:58:59 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x832]

Good thing the Panther's front office didn't listen to "Fans" during the 1-3 start.  I'll take Cam over almost any QB in the league right now.


I am a huge Cam Newton fan and have been since his college days.   I get a bunch of grief for saying things like "I'd trade you Wilson for Newton right now, straight up."  I'm usually trolling when I do, but sometimes I mean it.
 
2013-12-03 02:59:16 PM  

IAmRight: harleyquinnical: rickythepenguin: dunno.  2nd in the West would be possible but no wild card this year.

Play with the ESPN Playoff Machine a bit.  I think the Cardinals have a chance at it, but they need at least 10 wins and San Fran to stumble at the line.

Well, Seattle can be nice if they want and give the Cards a win after beating the 49ers...leading to a whole offseason of 49ers fans crying about how Seattle "didn't want them in the playoffs."


Which is a pretty lousy argument for the 49ers, especially if the Hawks beat them this week and the Giants next week.  At that point, it would be a matter of pride for them to finish with a franchise-best record of at least 14 and 2.  Heck, a win either this week or next gives the them the franchise-best road record.
 
2013-12-03 02:59:29 PM  

farbekrieg: Sigh falcons cant even keep a line on the #1 overall pick next year

/Houston stop sucking so damn hard


The Rams are getting the #1 pick via the Redskins sucking
 
2013-12-03 02:59:49 PM  

Shame Us: The Jets D-Line is was legit.


FTFY.  When they came away from the Dolphins game, the same Dolphins with one of the most porous o-lines in the league right now, with only one sack I would take that as a sign the d-line isn't at 100% any more.

/Dolphins fan
 
2013-12-03 03:00:02 PM  

Rent Party: JusticeandIndependence: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x832]

Good thing the Panther's front office didn't listen to "Fans" during the 1-3 start.  I'll take Cam over almost any QB in the league right now.

I am a huge Cam Newton fan and have been since his college days.   I get a bunch of grief for saying things like "I'd trade you Wilson for Newton right now, straight up."  I'm usually trolling when I do, but sometimes I mean it.


No trading Wilson. Not ever.
 
2013-12-03 03:00:46 PM  

Rent Party: I get a bunch of grief for saying things like "I'd trade you Wilson for Newton right now, straight up."  I'm usually trolling when I do, but sometimes I mean it.


As you should. F*ck Newton and his clowny-ass Superman celebration.
 
2013-12-03 03:01:05 PM  
people that say they dont know how the Seahawks will do in cold weather in NY.

Have you been to Seattle, its cold  and rains here. I think the Hawks will do just fine in the cold weather.
 
2013-12-03 03:01:23 PM  

mandoskippy: Flynn gets the Jake... *sad* GO Pack go ....


No I think it's going Harvard yard
 
2013-12-03 03:02:41 PM  

Rent Party: JusticeandIndependence: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x832]

Good thing the Panther's front office didn't listen to "Fans" during the 1-3 start.  I'll take Cam over almost any QB in the league right now.

I am a huge Cam Newton fan and have been since his college days.   I get a bunch of grief for saying things like "I'd trade you Wilson for Newton right now, straight up."  I'm usually trolling when I do, but sometimes I mean it.


I wouldn't go that far, but there was radio talk early in the season about trading Cam for Josh Freeman.  Seriously.

Crazy.
 
rka
2013-12-03 03:04:20 PM  

IAmRight: Rwa2play: IAmRight: Clash City Farker: Only Best Manning can beat Brady

I would think the best Manning would be the one that can make the playoffs every year.

Best Manning has two rings; last time I checked Peyton's only got one to his name.

I guess when rings are all you have, you pretend those have any significant relationship to quarterback play.


Well, it's obvious that Eli is TWICE as good as Dan Marino.
 
2013-12-03 03:05:24 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-03 03:06:39 PM  

rka: IAmRight: Rwa2play: IAmRight: Clash City Farker: Only Best Manning can beat Brady

I would think the best Manning would be the one that can make the playoffs every year.

Best Manning has two rings; last time I checked Peyton's only got one to his name.

I guess when rings are all you have, you pretend those have any significant relationship to quarterback play.

Well, it's obvious that Eli is TWICE as good as Dan Marino.


2 rings times 0 rings makes zero. Eli is infinity better than Marino. Obviously.
 
2013-12-03 03:06:50 PM  

iron_city_ap: JusticeandIndependence: iron_city_ap: The Donkos (not they aren't a good team), have only beaten 1 team with a winning record (twice). I smell playoff upset, and thats before Mannin's curse.

I don't know what you are trying to say here.

Philly and Dallas currently have winning records.  Baltimore is 6-6.

Not when they played them. Again, Denver is a solid team, but they are primed for a playoff upset.


That's stupid.

The Jet's had a winning record when NE beat them.   That doesn't mean the Jet's were good.
 
2013-12-03 03:06:56 PM  

rka: Well, it's obvious that Eli is TWICE as good as Dan Marino.


He'd have to be more than infinity times better, since Marino has zero. I mean, we'll ignore the fact that he's going to miss the playoffs for four out of five years in his prime.
 
2013-12-03 03:06:58 PM  

Shame Us: Rent Party: JusticeandIndependence: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x832]

Good thing the Panther's front office didn't listen to "Fans" during the 1-3 start.  I'll take Cam over almost any QB in the league right now.

I am a huge Cam Newton fan and have been since his college days.   I get a bunch of grief for saying things like "I'd trade you Wilson for Newton right now, straight up."  I'm usually trolling when I do, but sometimes I mean it.

No trading Wilson. Not ever.


Oh I know.  But I look at Wilson, and I think "Man, what would he be like if he were six inches taller?"

And I know the answer.   He'd be Cam Newton.
 
2013-12-03 03:08:00 PM  

Rent Party: Oh I know.  But I look at Wilson, and I think "Man, what would he be like if he were six inches taller?"

And I know the answer.   He'd be Cam Newton.


If you took away all the off-the-field stuff that makes Wilson a thousand times better than Newton.
 
2013-12-03 03:08:52 PM  

mentallo69: people that say they dont know how the Seahawks will do in cold weather in NY.

Have you been to Seattle, its cold  and rains here. I think the Hawks will do just fine in the cold weather.


Does it ever get truly cold in Seattle, like single-digits cold? I was under the impression the weather is 41 degrees with a 75% chance of rain for 365 days a year.
 
2013-12-03 03:09:38 PM  
This week in our ongoing pack talk series, thecpt begins to question why the bears only went down one spot with a loss to the Vikings when the pack lost two after an unpossible tie, until ohmygawd that is a horrible sentence. when can we play and actually beat a good team this year and wholly crap can our defense ever show the fark up.

Sob...oh look the falcons are next. A nice litmus test to see if we should just give up
 
2013-12-03 03:09:42 PM  
So there are still people who think the Cardinals are going to make the playoffs?

Pttthhhttttt!

Their last two games are against the Seahawks and the Niners. Now if their last game was against the Seahawks, the Cardinals might have stood a chance...against Seattle's third string.

/I think we got a winner in town!
 
2013-12-03 03:09:46 PM  

ShadowKamui: farbekrieg: Sigh falcons cant even keep a line on the #1 overall pick next year

/Houston stop sucking so damn hard

The Rams are getting the #1 pick via the Redskins sucking


well you say that except right now Houston has the #1 pick and the rams (from Washington) and Jax have a coin flip to determine the 2nd and 3rd pick with the Falcons showing up at 4.

/luckily the season doesn't end today and I like DC > Jax > Atl > Hou as far as winning a game left on their schedule
 
2013-12-03 03:10:40 PM  
Haven't looked at the rankings yet, but regardless: the Bears are too damn high!
 
2013-12-03 03:11:06 PM  

IanMoone: mandoskippy: Flynn gets the Jake... *sad* GO Pack go ....

No I think it's going Harvard yard


If Harvard Yard is Ryan Fitzpatrick, lemme give ya some stats:

R. Fitzpatrick: 21/37 201 yards. Avg: 5.4, 1 TD 3 INT 1 Sack QBR 37.9 RTG 47.2

M Flynn: 10/20  139 yards, Avg: 7.0 0 TD, 1 INT 7 Sacks, QBR: 2.1 Rtg: 51.9

I guess maybe you could say Fitz screwed the pooch more with the INTs but 7 sacks? JEEEEEZ
 
2013-12-03 03:11:21 PM  

tommyl66: I was under the impression the weather is 41 degrees with a 75% chance of rain for 365 days a year.


Nah, that's winter. Summer is 75 degrees with a 41% chance of rain.

/well, it does get cold enough to snow, too
//yes, I'm sure the team that gets by on tough defense and a powerful running game will have issues in cold weather
///along with a QB who played in Wisconsin
 
2013-12-03 03:11:22 PM  

The Bestest: 2nd in the West is pretty much guaranteed a wild card


i don't know.....i think the south gets it.  the norht is all farked up but....im not saying the West won't get the wC but....i think it's a coin flip at best.


Shame Us: Peterson I could see being all-pro, but Mathieu is not one of the top 2 corners in the league. Dansby is solid as well, but I don't think he makes the Top 4 LBs either. Both good players, but All-Pro is a tough tough team to make.


mathieu makes a ton of plays but he isn't he marquee "shutdown corner" a la Revis used to be, which is what the voters seem to favor.  as for Dansby, he only has 5 sacks on paper, but there was an article circa week 10 where he was furios about how he wasn't being credited with sacks or half sacks.  arians backed him up -- well of course he will -- by saying when they watch game tape, Dansby was all the time wrapping QBs up but inexplicably, the league's official scorekeepers werent' even giving him the half sack.  Dansby mad.  Dansby real mad.

and i forget if it is P2 or Fitzy, but one of them has a pregame ritual (this was just in the paper sunday, going to the INTs he's dropped) where he rubs his hands on Dansby's hands, and the quip was like, "i'm trying to give him some of my mojo so he can hang on to the ball.  Do you know how many passes he's dropped this year?"
 
2013-12-03 03:13:22 PM  

rickythepenguin: i don't know.....i think the south gets it.  the norht is all farked up but....im not saying the West won't get the wC but....i think it's a coin flip at best.


You're aware that there are two wild cards, right? The other two teams in the South are the Falcons and Bucs. No, they're not going to get playoff spots.
 
2013-12-03 03:13:31 PM  

nmrsnr: 3) New Orleans (5)
4) Carolina (3)


How are you going to put the 'Aints over the Panthers?  They are both 9-3, and they have nearly identical schedules and the Panthers only lost to Seattle by 5 points (and that during the rough start they had at the beginning of the season).  There's also the fact that Panthers beat New England this year and the Saints didn't.

You, sir, are WRONG!
 
2013-12-03 03:13:54 PM  

mandoskippy: Flynn gets the Jake... *sad* GO Pack go ....


Flynn doesn't deserve it.  I don't think anybody would have done well with the Pack's O-Line playing like preschoolers.
 
2013-12-03 03:14:04 PM  

IAmRight: Rent Party: Oh I know.  But I look at Wilson, and I think "Man, what would he be like if he were six inches taller?"

And I know the answer.   He'd be Cam Newton.

If you took away all the off-the-field stuff that makes Wilson a thousand times better than Newton.


The only off the field stuff I'm aware of was the NCAA violations.  And frankly, fark the NCAA.  He's not a criminal, and outside of that, I don't give a crap what players do off the field.   I'm not looking for a son-in-law.

And did I mention fark the NCAA?
 
2013-12-03 03:15:29 PM  

Lucky LaRue: nmrsnr: 3) New Orleans (5)
4) Carolina (3)

How are you going to put the 'Aints over the Panthers?  They are both 9-3, and they have nearly identical schedules and the Panthers only lost to Seattle by 5 points (and that during the rough start they had at the beginning of the season).  There's also the fact that Panthers beat New England this year and the Saints didn't.

You, sir, are WRONG!


That was also before Riverboat Ron.  They should have won that game as well as the Buffalo game.
 
2013-12-03 03:16:00 PM  
OK, here we go. First the stats, just in case I can't type any more after I upload the picture. YOU CAN'T SUE ME FOR BEING PARANOID


Change from Week 1 to this week:
One 27 point drop: Falcons.
One 20 point jump: Panthers

One team is right back where they started: Seahawks

Change from last week to this week:
One 4 point drop: Cardinals
Two 4 point jumps: Ravens, Dolphins

Seven teams did not change rank

Number of times rankings have changed:
1 team has changed twice: Jaguars
5 teams have changed 13 times (max): Browns, Redskins, Chargers, Jets, Eagles

Difference between high rank & low rank:
Lowest fluctuation:Jaguars & Broncos with 3
Highest fluctuation: Falcons & Texans with 28
Average fluctuation is 13.31

Most spots traveled:
Eagles with 57.

Teams hitting their highest rank this week: Panthers, Eagles. Last week: Cardinals

Teams hitting their lowest rank this week: Packers, Redskins, Bears. Last week: Texans

Four teams have held the #1 spot: Seahawks, 49ers, Broncos, & Chiefs


img.fark.net
 
2013-12-03 03:16:38 PM  

farbekrieg: Sigh falcons cant even keep a line on the #1 overall pick next year

/Houston stop sucking so damn hard


Hell no!! Houston needs to bomb every last remaining game so there will be no excuse not to nuke from orbit the entire coaching staff.

But knowing this organization, they'll probably just blow it hiring Lane Kiffin as head coach and
draft Manziel. *shudder*
 
2013-12-03 03:16:41 PM  

Rent Party: The only off the field stuff I'm aware of was the NCAA violations.  And frankly, fark the NCAA.  He's not a criminal, and outside of that, I don't give a crap what players do off the field.   I'm not looking for a son-in-law.


Well, there was the stolen laptop that got him kicked out of Florida, but really, I'm talking about the off-field stuff that translates into on-field success. Cam Newton is nowhere near the leader or overall QB that Russell Wilson is.
 
2013-12-03 03:17:08 PM  

rickythepenguin: i don't know.....i think the south gets it.  the norht is all farked up but....im not saying the West won't get the wC but....i think it's a coin flip at best.


There are two wild cards. Neither will likely come out of the North or East and the South can only produce one.
 
2013-12-03 03:18:07 PM  

Rent Party: I'm not looking for a son-in-law.


HA! Perfect!

While I will not root for a straight-up piece of shiat, I'm with ya.
 
2013-12-03 03:19:20 PM  
As someone who started RW3 in fantasy, I'm happy to see the Seahawkd doing well.

As someone annoyed by various Sehawks fans online (not all here), I'm happy the Superbowl isn't at CenturyLink
 
2013-12-03 03:19:25 PM  
Personal nonsense means it'll be a while until you see what I drew up during the fourth quarter of past night's putridity.  I think it's apparent in the general wistfully sad tone, lol.

/Fitzpatrick
 
2013-12-03 03:19:44 PM  

tommyl66: mentallo69: people that say they dont know how the Seahawks will do in cold weather in NY.

Have you been to Seattle, its cold  and rains here. I think the Hawks will do just fine in the cold weather.

Does it ever get truly cold in Seattle, like single-digits cold? I was under the impression the weather is 41 degrees with a 75% chance of rain for 365 days a year.


Your impression is ridiculous and uninformed.
 
2013-12-03 03:19:57 PM  

Rwa2play: Best Manning has two rings; last time I checked Peyton's only got one to his name.


Somebody actually believes that the Giants won their Super Bowls on the strength and accuracy of Eli's arm??
 
2013-12-03 03:20:15 PM  
Sorry guys, no trivia this week. I spent the day preparing for my court case. Ended up challenging and winning against a red light camera ticket.
i291.photobucket.com
Go fark yourself, American Traffic Solutions. Fark yourself right in the ear. I told you that you wouldn't get a dime from me and I was right.
 
2013-12-03 03:20:23 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: They should have won that game as well as the Buffalo game.


LOL no.
 
2013-12-03 03:20:48 PM  
To the front office and coaching staffs of the Green Bay Packers, please keep Aaron Rodgers off the field until he is fully healed. I would like to enjoy watching games next year. Thank you.
 
2013-12-03 03:20:52 PM  

Di Atribe: OK, here we go. First the stats, just in case I can't type any more after I upload the picture. YOU CAN'T SUE ME FOR BEING PARANOID


so about the names.......so my wife texted me today that "marcus trufan" was on some podcast she listens to, she's like, "it was really good."  i texted back*, "trufant.  former Seawhak."  didn't autocorrect.  The SEAWHAKS.

*good god, i'm peter king over here witht he "i texted __, he texted back, i texted the gm, he texted the coach, the coached texted me, i texted the player, the player texted me, i love texting and talking about texting SQUUUEEEEEEE!"
 
2013-12-03 03:22:03 PM  

IAmRight: Cam Newton is nowhere near the leader or overall QB that Russell Wilson is.


I'd argue both points. I'd call Wilson a better leader "out the gate", but Cam has matured a lot in that respect. He's not the same egomaniac he was his rookie year, or the pouting child he was last year.
 
2013-12-03 03:22:07 PM  

Rent Party: IAmRight: Rent Party: Oh I know.  But I look at Wilson, and I think "Man, what would he be like if he were six inches taller?"

And I know the answer.   He'd be Cam Newton.

If you took away all the off-the-field stuff that makes Wilson a thousand times better than Newton.

The only off the field stuff I'm aware of was the NCAA violations.  And frankly, fark the NCAA.  He's not a criminal, and outside of that, I don't give a crap what players do off the field.   I'm not looking for a son-in-law.

And did I mention fark the NCAA?


Newton left florida after a burglary accusation or something. Stolen laptop I think.
 
2013-12-03 03:22:15 PM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: Alright, three losses by 20 points are out of the way. Time to get this sh*t back on track.

[img.fark.net image 640x640]


A good gift for the holidays for any Chiefs fan.

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2013-12-03 03:22:52 PM  

farbekrieg: ShadowKamui: farbekrieg: Sigh falcons cant even keep a line on the #1 overall pick next year

/Houston stop sucking so damn hard

The Rams are getting the #1 pick via the Redskins sucking

well you say that except right now Houston has the #1 pick and the rams (from Washington) and Jax have a coin flip to determine the 2nd and 3rd pick with the Falcons showing up at 4.

/luckily the season doesn't end today and I like DC > Jax > Atl > Hou as far as winning a game left on their schedule


Both Houston and Jax still have a game against a Locker-less Tenn.  Jax also gets a who gives a sh** game for the Colts at the end of the year (Colts can't get the #2 seed)

The Skins have KC, @Atl, Dal & @NYG left.  There is no way they win any of those
 
2013-12-03 03:23:20 PM  

The Bestest: I'd argue both points. I'd call Wilson a better leader "out the gate", but Cam has matured a lot in that respect. He's not the same egomaniac he was his rookie year, or the pouting child he was last year.


Better than he was? Sure. Anywhere near Wilson? No.
 
2013-12-03 03:24:58 PM  

IAmRight: Rent Party: The only off the field stuff I'm aware of was the NCAA violations.  And frankly, fark the NCAA.  He's not a criminal, and outside of that, I don't give a crap what players do off the field.   I'm not looking for a son-in-law.

Well, there was the stolen laptop that got him kicked out of Florida, but really, I'm talking about the off-field stuff that translates into on-field success. Cam Newton is nowhere near the leader or overall QB that Russell Wilson is.


Newton didn't get kicked out of Florida.  He left Florida for one reason.

This guy was in front of him.

bigbitesphotography.com

/ Now a Tebow thread.
 
2013-12-03 03:24:59 PM  

ShadowKamui: There is no way they win any of those


You're aware that the Giants and Falcons suck, right?
 
2013-12-03 03:26:51 PM  

Treygreen13: Sorry guys, no trivia this week. I spent the day preparing for my court case. Ended up challenging and winning against a red light camera ticket.
[i291.photobucket.com image 850x937]
Go fark yourself, American Traffic Solutions. Fark yourself right in the ear. I told you that you wouldn't get a dime from me and I was right.


The only thing they do that I like is put the cameras on school bus stop arms.  They have the contract for my city and people who endanger school children by speeding past stopped buses like that deserve the $2500 fine and 6 license points.  However, the red light camera stuff is BS.  Good on you.
 
2013-12-03 03:26:52 PM  

The Bestest: IAmRight: Cam Newton is nowhere near the leader or overall QB that Russell Wilson is.

I'd argue both points. I'd call Wilson a better leader "out the gate", but Cam has matured a lot in that respect. He's not the same egomaniac he was his rookie year, or the pouting child he was last year.


True, Newton has stopped TRYING to be the star and has since become the star. The NFL isn't a place where you come and run roughshod over everybody and he finally figured it out. That said, I'll take Wilson over him 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.
 
2013-12-03 03:27:02 PM  

The Bestest: IAmRight: Cam Newton is nowhere near the leader or overall QB that Russell Wilson is.

I'd argue both points. I'd call Wilson a better leader "out the gate", but Cam has matured a lot in that respect. He's not the same egomaniac he was his rookie year, or the pouting child he was last year.


But he's still 6'5", throws a deadly accurate tight spiral and is really fast.
 
2013-12-03 03:27:07 PM  

mandoskippy: IanMoone: mandoskippy: Flynn gets the Jake... *sad* GO Pack go ....

No I think it's going Harvard yard

If Harvard Yard is Ryan Fitzpatrick, lemme give ya some stats:

R. Fitzpatrick: 21/37 201 yards. Avg: 5.4, 1 TD 3 INT 1 Sack QBR 37.9 RTG 47.2

M Flynn: 10/20  139 yards, Avg: 7.0 0 TD, 1 INT 7 Sacks, QBR: 2.1 Rtg: 51.9

I guess maybe you could say Fitz screwed the pooch more with the INTs but 7 sacks? JEEEEEZ


The Jake only cares about turnovers. So while Flynn was leading before Tennessee took the field, Fitz had the 3 INT and a fumble for the win.

Now if we want to start an award for McSacked (in honor of the latest winner) for most time sacked in a game with going Full McSacked when the game ends in a tie.........
 
2013-12-03 03:27:18 PM  

Shame Us: tommyl66: mentallo69: people that say they dont know how the Seahawks will do in cold weather in NY.

Have you been to Seattle, its cold  and rains here. I think the Hawks will do just fine in the cold weather.

Does it ever get truly cold in Seattle, like single-digits cold? I was under the impression the weather is 41 degrees with a 75% chance of rain for 365 days a year.

Your impression is ridiculous and uninformed.


Sorry, I thought I was on fark.com for some reason
 
2013-12-03 03:27:39 PM  

ShadowKamui: farbekrieg: ShadowKamui: farbekrieg: Sigh falcons cant even keep a line on the #1 overall pick next year

/Houston stop sucking so damn hard

The Rams are getting the #1 pick via the Redskins sucking

well you say that except right now Houston has the #1 pick and the rams (from Washington) and Jax have a coin flip to determine the 2nd and 3rd pick with the Falcons showing up at 4.

/luckily the season doesn't end today and I like DC > Jax > Atl > Hou as far as winning a game left on their schedule

Both Houston and Jax still have a game against a Locker-less Tenn.  Jax also gets a who gives a sh** game for the Colts at the end of the year (Colts can't get the #2 seed)

The Skins have KC, @Atl, Dal & @NYG left.  There is no way they win any of those


I don't know. I feel like they have a glimmer of a chance @Atl, and the Giants game was surprisingly close. I could see either of those (bot not both) breaking the Redskins way.
 
2013-12-03 03:27:57 PM  

IAmRight: JusticeandIndependence: They should have won that game as well as the Buffalo game.

LOL no.


They had their chances in the Seattle game.  The Buffalo game, they just blew it because Rivera pulled an Andy Reid late in the game.
 
2013-12-03 03:28:07 PM  

Treygreen13: Sorry guys, no trivia this week. I spent the day preparing for my court case. Ended up challenging and winning against a red light camera ticket.
[i291.photobucket.com image 850x937]
Go fark yourself, American Traffic Solutions. Fark yourself right in the ear. I told you that you wouldn't get a dime from me and I was right.


Yeah, eat a dick, American Traffic "Solutions!"


rickythepenguin: so about the names.......so my wife texted me today that "marcus trufan" was on some podcast she listens to, she's like, "it was really good." i texted back*, "trufant. former Seawhak." didn't autocorrect. The SEAWHAKS.


Haha I giggled!  What I really need is a new name for the Vikings. Text your wife & see if she has any suggestions and then text me. My text ring tone is the one-up mushroom from Mario Brothers. Text.
 
2013-12-03 03:28:09 PM  

Rent Party: IAmRight: Rent Party: The only off the field stuff I'm aware of was the NCAA violations.  And frankly, fark the NCAA.  He's not a criminal, and outside of that, I don't give a crap what players do off the field.   I'm not looking for a son-in-law.

Well, there was the stolen laptop that got him kicked out of Florida, but really, I'm talking about the off-field stuff that translates into on-field success. Cam Newton is nowhere near the leader or overall QB that Russell Wilson is.

Newton didn't get kicked out of Florida.  He left Florida for one reason.

This guy was in front of him.

[bigbitesphotography.com image 485x364]

/ Now a Tebow thread.


Well, that and stealing things from people.
 
2013-12-03 03:28:38 PM  

Rent Party: But he's still 6'5", throws a deadly accurate tight spiral and is really fast.


And yet still isn't as good a quarterback as Wilson.
 
2013-12-03 03:29:19 PM  

togaman2k: Treygreen13: Sorry guys, no trivia this week. I spent the day preparing for my court case. Ended up challenging and winning against a red light camera ticket.
[i291.photobucket.com image 850x937]
Go fark yourself, American Traffic Solutions. Fark yourself right in the ear. I told you that you wouldn't get a dime from me and I was right.

The only thing they do that I like is put the cameras on school bus stop arms.  They have the contract for my city and people who endanger school children by speeding past stopped buses like that deserve the $2500 fine and 6 license points.  However, the red light camera stuff is BS.  Good on you.


Thanks. If I had legitimately run the light I probably would have just paid it, but instead they sent me a picture with my vehicle in the intersection when the light turned red and told me I was 6 milliseconds too late.

Never been so eager to go see a judge.
 
2013-12-03 03:29:44 PM  

Treygreen13: Sorry guys, no trivia this week. I spent the day preparing for my court case. Ended up challenging and winning against a red light camera ticket.
[i291.photobucket.com image 850x937]
Go fark yourself, American Traffic Solutions. Fark yourself right in the ear. I told you that you wouldn't get a dime from me and I was right.


WOOOOOO party at Treygreen13's house since he has extra money not going to a ticket!

/we dumped those freeway speeding cameras here in AZ, people just speed until they get to them and slow down suddenly causing rear-end collisions.
//all cameras should be gone
///did 15 through a red light once, got flashed, they never mailed it to me
 
2013-12-03 03:30:34 PM  

IAmRight: Rwa2play: IAmRight: Clash City Farker: Only Best Manning can beat Brady

I would think the best Manning would be the one that can make the playoffs every year.

Best Manning has two rings; last time I checked Peyton's only got one to his name.

I guess when rings are all you have, you pretend those have any significant relationship to quarterback play.


I'll say until I'm dead that using SB rings as a means of evaluating QB play is basically saying that Trent Dilfer was better than Dan Marino.
 
2013-12-03 03:30:43 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: They had their chances in the Seattle game.


They had chances, but "should have won" is going a bit too far.
 
2013-12-03 03:31:16 PM  

IAmRight: The Bestest: I'd argue both points. I'd call Wilson a better leader "out the gate", but Cam has matured a lot in that respect. He's not the same egomaniac he was his rookie year, or the pouting child he was last year.

Better than he was? Sure. Anywhere near Wilson? No.


Wilson is a saint.  We all know that.   Farkin' Pope Frankie calls him up for advice.

That's entirely not the point.
 
2013-12-03 03:31:43 PM  

Treygreen13: Sorry guys, no trivia this week. I spent the day preparing for my court case. Ended up challenging and winning against a red light camera ticket.

Go fark yourself, American Traffic Solutions. Fark yourself right in the ear. I told you that you wouldn't get a dime from me and I was right.


This one's tricky.

The picture's Rex Ryan at that UFC event in Miami before the Super Bowl a couple years back, the Ft. Worth resident is the legendary sportswriter Dan Jenkins, and "the red light camera" is the Steelers' O-line this year?

I know the first two, the third one's just a guess.
 
2013-12-03 03:32:14 PM  

neuroflare: /we dumped those freeway speeding cameras here in AZ, people just speed until they get to them and slow down suddenly causing rear-end collisions.
//all cameras should be gone
///did 15 through a red light once, got flashed, they never mailed it to me


I actually went to take pictures of the intersection last night to include in my evidence for the case. The light is artificially short, the posted speed limit varies 10 mph in a 6 foot space, and while I was standing there on the empty road the camera was flashing taking pictures of nothing.

It's all a huge scam. Really pissed about that whole company. Texas legislature has a bill waiting to effectively take the teeth out of the enforcement so maybe we'll see them gone soon too.
 
2013-12-03 03:32:31 PM  

Di Atribe: Vikings. Text your wife & see if she has any suggestions and then text me. My text ring tone is the one-up mushroom from Mario Brothers. Text.


Vicodings is one from way back, when your boy had that pill issue.

and I don't have your digits, hotness.
 
2013-12-03 03:32:50 PM  

Gonz: and "the red light camera" is the Steelers' O-line this year?


HAHAHAHA
That is great.
 
2013-12-03 03:32:55 PM  

LucklessWonder: ShadowKamui: farbekrieg: ShadowKamui: farbekrieg: Sigh falcons cant even keep a line on the #1 overall pick next year

/Houston stop sucking so damn hard

The Rams are getting the #1 pick via the Redskins sucking

well you say that except right now Houston has the #1 pick and the rams (from Washington) and Jax have a coin flip to determine the 2nd and 3rd pick with the Falcons showing up at 4.

/luckily the season doesn't end today and I like DC > Jax > Atl > Hou as far as winning a game left on their schedule

Both Houston and Jax still have a game against a Locker-less Tenn.  Jax also gets a who gives a sh** game for the Colts at the end of the year (Colts can't get the #2 seed)

The Skins have KC, @Atl, Dal & @NYG left.  There is no way they win any of those

I don't know. I feel like they have a glimmer of a chance @Atl, and the Giants game was surprisingly close. I could see either of those (bot not both) breaking the Redskins way.


If they played either Atl or NYG at home they would have a shot, on the road no way in hell
 
2013-12-03 03:33:29 PM  

IAmRight: JusticeandIndependence: They had their chances in the Seattle game.

They had chances, but "should have won" is going a bit too far.


That game, more than just about any Week 1 game I can remember, really showed what the core of each team was. Stout defense with the Seahawks being just that much better in the end. I said from that game that the Panthers were legit this year and no team should take a game against them for granted. I assumed they'd end up 9-7 or something, but they really turned it on.
 
2013-12-03 03:34:05 PM  

IAmRight: Rent Party: But he's still 6'5", throws a deadly accurate tight spiral and is really fast.

And yet still isn't as good a quarterback as Wilson.


Based on the RoY awards, all those rushing and passing and rushing records, and prow bowl trips, one might argue otherwise.

In fact, given his size and speed, Wilson and Newton are exactly the same kind of QB, except one is bigger and more accomplished.
 
2013-12-03 03:34:48 PM  

Rent Party: IAmRight: The Bestest: I'd argue both points. I'd call Wilson a better leader "out the gate", but Cam has matured a lot in that respect. He's not the same egomaniac he was his rookie year, or the pouting child he was last year.

Better than he was? Sure. Anywhere near Wilson? No.

Wilson is a saint.  We all know that.   Farkin' Pope Frankie calls him up for advice.

That's entirely not the point.


He is also better than Cam Newton on the field, in the locker room, in meeting, in the film room, etc.
 
2013-12-03 03:34:53 PM  

Rent Party: That's entirely not the point.


The point is that he puts in a billion hours a week studying the game and that improves his play on the field. If he was the size of Newton, maybe he would've been lazy all along like Newton, getting by on the fact that he just had more talent than everyone else. But he was short, so he spent his life having to be that much better than everyone who was prototypical height. If he's as tall as Newton, he probably wouldn't be as good as he is.

If you're not the prototype, you tend to have to be much better than someone who is just to get looked at, much less start. There is literally nothing that Cam Newton is better at than Russell Wilson except being tall.
 
2013-12-03 03:35:37 PM  
When Newton wins a game for his team by throwing an interception, then we can talk about how he is approaching the level of Wilson. Until then, the matter is settled, Wilson is vastly superior.
 
2013-12-03 03:35:45 PM  

Lucky LaRue: nmrsnr: 3) New Orleans (5)
4) Carolina (3)

How are you going to put the 'Aints over the Panthers?  They are both 9-3, and they have nearly identical schedules and the Panthers only lost to Seattle by 5 points (and that during the rough start they had at the beginning of the season).  There's also the fact that Panthers beat New England this year and the Saints didn't.

You, sir, are WRONG!


Wouldn't be the first time. But looking at the numbers, it's because of the Saints' stomping teams early in the season while the Panthers lost to the Bills that made the difference. The Panthers haven't caught up to the hole that left between their rank modifiers yet. The fact that the Saints lost to the best team also means that the loss didn't hurt them as much as the Panthers' losses.
 
2013-12-03 03:36:34 PM  

Shame Us: IAmRight: JusticeandIndependence: They had their chances in the Seattle game.

They had chances, but "should have won" is going a bit too far.

That game, more than just about any Week 1 game I can remember, really showed what the core of each team was. Stout defense with the Seahawks being just that much better in the end. I said from that game that the Panthers were legit this year and no team should take a game against them for granted. I assumed they'd end up 9-7 or something, but they really turned it on.


They remind me very much of the 2012 incarnation of the Seahawks.  It took a couple of games to find their footing, and then turned on the jets.
 
2013-12-03 03:36:37 PM  

Rent Party: IAmRight: Rent Party: But he's still 6'5", throws a deadly accurate tight spiral and is really fast.

And yet still isn't as good a quarterback as Wilson.

Based on the RoY awards, all those rushing and passing and rushing records, and prow bowl trips, one might argue otherwise.

In fact, given his size and speed, Wilson and Newton are exactly the same kind of QB, except one is bigger and more accomplished.


RoY awards. I remember when this guy had one of those (and two working knees)
cdn.theatlantic.com
 
2013-12-03 03:36:44 PM  

roc6783: When Newton wins a game for his team by throwing an interception, then we can talk about how he is approaching the level of Wilson.


awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww shiat!  no he ditten!  no he ditten!  shiat just got real, son.
 
2013-12-03 03:36:53 PM  

Rent Party: IAmRight: Rent Party: But he's still 6'5", throws a deadly accurate tight spiral and is really fast.

And yet still isn't as good a quarterback as Wilson.

Based on the RoY awards, all those rushing and passing and rushing records, and prow bowl trips, one might argue otherwise.

In fact, given his size and speed, Wilson and Newton are exactly the same kind of QB, except one is bigger and more accomplished.


They are the same "type" of QB just like Wilson is the same "type" of QB as Griffin or Vick. Wilson is a smarter player and better passer than Newton. He'd have that Panther squad at 11-1 too.
 
2013-12-03 03:37:28 PM  

Di Atribe: GRAF


I'm trying to think of any other year we've seen TWO spectacular plunges like the Falcons and Texans. Those lines are amazing.
 
2013-12-03 03:38:09 PM  

rickythepenguin: when your boy had that pill issue.


My boy? Which one?
 
2013-12-03 03:40:36 PM  

Di Atribe: rickythepenguin: when your boy had that pill issue.

My boy? Which one?


I think he means when Favre was addicted to Tylenol.
 
2013-12-03 03:40:57 PM  
And let's go old school with Redskin QB injuries...
www.draftpartyblog.com
 
2013-12-03 03:41:35 PM  

nmrsnr: Di Atribe: GRAF

I'm trying to think of any other year we've seen TWO spectacular plunges like the Falcons and Texans. Those lines are amazing.


I can't think of a year when we've seen even ONE spectacular plunge like those two. I mean, that is some magnificent shiat right there.
 
2013-12-03 03:41:54 PM  

Shame Us: Di Atribe: rickythepenguin: when your boy had that pill issue.

My boy? Which one?

I think he means when Favre was addicted to Tylenol.


He did seem to have a fascination with tiny white things.
 
2013-12-03 03:41:54 PM  

LucklessWonder: And let's go old school with Redskin QB injuries...
[www.draftpartyblog.com image 259x195]


WHY? DUDE. NO. STOP. UNCOOL
 
2013-12-03 03:42:35 PM  

Rent Party: In fact, given his size and speed, Wilson and Newton are exactly the same kind of QB, except one is bigger and more accomplished.


Wilson also won RoY honors (depending on publication), but that's tougher to do when you come to the NFL in the best year for QBs in at least a decade.

Cam Newton finishes about 16th in the league in QBR, DVOA, and DYAR every year (actual range: 14-18). Russell Wilson is in the top 10 every year.

Cam Newton has never thrown for as many TDs as Russell Wilson has in his worst year. Russell Wilson has never thrown as many INTs as Cam Newton in Newton's best year. There are NO measures (except maybe passing yards, which would just be silly) by which Newton is better than Wilson.
 
2013-12-03 03:42:58 PM  

Shame Us: Di Atribe: rickythepenguin: when your boy had that pill issue.

My boy? Which one?

I think he means when Favre was addicted to Tylenol.


LOL Tylenol addiction: just like being addicted to air.

Just so we're clear here, Favre was never my boy, especially after he left the Packers.
 
2013-12-03 03:43:52 PM  

Shame Us: LucklessWonder: And let's go old school with Redskin QB injuries...
[www.draftpartyblog.com image 259x195]

WHY? DUDE. NO. STOP. UNCOOL


THIS GOD WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU
 
2013-12-03 03:44:15 PM  

Di Atribe: My boy? Which one?



Brent.  disclosed an addiction to Vicodin i think the year or so before their first SB win.  i dimly recall the constant "AND HE OVERCAME AN ADDICTION TO PILLS!!" uttered every other sentence in the then-burgeoning hagiography of your boy.


good god.  did i just say "burgeoning hagiography"?  what am i, dennis miller, george f farking hell will, over here?
 
2013-12-03 03:46:12 PM  
Shame Us:That game, more than just about any Week 1 game I can remember, really showed what the core of each team was. Stout defense with the Seahawks being just that much better in the end. I said from that game that the Panthers were legit this year and no team should take a game against them for granted. I assumed they'd end up 9-7 or something, but they really turned it on.

Both teams were competitive in that affair.  Both of them still are and it would be interesting for both to meet in the NFC Championship...again.  I think the Panthers are tougher than the Saints, but we won't know that for sure until next week.  Newton and Wilson are both awesome to watch, even in clutch situations.
 
2013-12-03 03:46:28 PM  

rickythepenguin: Di Atribe: My boy? Which one?


Brent.  disclosed an addiction to Vicodin i think the year or so before their first SB win.  i dimly recall the constant "AND HE OVERCAME AN ADDICTION TO PILLS!!" uttered every other sentence in the then-burgeoning hagiography of your boy.


good god.  did i just say "burgeoning hagiography"?  what am i, dennis miller, george f farking hell will, over here?


It was Tylenol with codeine. But I like to leave that last part out.
 
2013-12-03 03:47:11 PM  

Rwa2play: IAmRight: Clash City Farker: Only Best Manning can beat Brady

I would think the best Manning would be the one that can make the playoffs every year.

Best Manning has two rings; last time I checked Peyton's only got one to his name.


This is not the year to try to convince people that Eli is as good as Peyton, let alone better than him.
 
2013-12-03 03:49:19 PM  

meanmutton: Rwa2play: IAmRight: Clash City Farker: Only Best Manning can beat Brady

I would think the best Manning would be the one that can make the playoffs every year.

Best Manning has two rings; last time I checked Peyton's only got one to his name.

This is not the year to try to convince people that Eli is as good as Peyton, let alone better than him.


Eli has improved pretty significantly lately. Improved from "god awful" to "not actively trying to lose" but that's still an improvement.
 
2013-12-03 03:51:06 PM  
Hey Hey Tampa Bay

Hope we lose enough to show Schiano the door. A loss at home against the Bills this week would help.
 
2013-12-03 03:51:08 PM  

Di Atribe: nmrsnr: Di Atribe: GRAF

I'm trying to think of any other year we've seen TWO spectacular plunges like the Falcons and Texans. Those lines are amazing.

I can't think of a year when we've seen even ONE spectacular plunge like those two. I mean, that is some magnificent shiat right there.


I've not seen a graph like that since the Enron bust.
There's bottoming out and then there's the pavement ripping the exhaust system off the car.

/this happened to my mom last December in a construction zone
 
2013-12-03 03:51:19 PM  

Di Atribe: I can't think of a year when we've seen even ONE spectacular plunge like those two. I mean, that is some magnificent shiat right there.


Last years Eagles did a fine job:

img.fark.net

NOTE: THIS IS NOT THE CURRENT GRAF
/don't want people to get confused.
 
2013-12-03 03:52:47 PM  
Damn that is a sexy green line.
 
2013-12-03 03:55:35 PM  

Shame Us: Rent Party: JusticeandIndependence: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x832]

Good thing the Panther's front office didn't listen to "Fans" during the 1-3 start.  I'll take Cam over almost any QB in the league right now.

I am a huge Cam Newton fan and have been since his college days.   I get a bunch of grief for saying things like "I'd trade you Wilson for Newton right now, straight up."  I'm usually trolling when I do, but sometimes I mean it.

No trading Wilson. Not ever.


It's all sunsine and happy thoughts until Wilson's rookie contract is up and he starts asking for Flacco money.  The cap money has to come from somewhere.
 
2013-12-03 03:56:01 PM  

Treygreen13: Eli has improved pretty significantly lately. Improved from "god awful" to "not actively trying to lose" but that's still an improvement.


I just realized that maybe NY fans think Eli's great because they're comparing him to Mark Sanchez, Greg McElroy, and Geno Smith. I mean, if all you have to do is be better than the Jets' QB, everyone's great!
 
2013-12-03 03:57:23 PM  

Shame Us: rickythepenguin: Di Atribe: My boy? Which one?


Brent.  disclosed an addiction to Vicodin i think the year or so before their first SB win.  i dimly recall the constant "AND HE OVERCAME AN ADDICTION TO PILLS!!" uttered every other sentence in the then-burgeoning hagiography of your boy.


good god.  did i just say "burgeoning hagiography"?  what am i, dennis miller, george f farking hell will, over here?

It was Tylenol with codeine. But I like to leave that last part out.


Vicodin and beer- the Breakfast of Champions.
 
2013-12-03 03:58:41 PM  

IAmRight: Cam Newton has never thrown for as many TDs as Russell Wilson has in his worst year. Russell Wilson has never thrown as many INTs as Cam Newton in Newton's best year. There are NO measures (except maybe passing yards, which would just be silly) by which Newton is better than Wilson.


You make it sound like they've been playing for years...

They have 5 years total combined experience in the NFL.  Give it a few years to see who is top notch.  Wilson has the nod for now, but so did this guy early on....

l.yimg.com
 
2013-12-03 03:59:36 PM  

IAmRight: Treygreen13: Eli has improved pretty significantly lately. Improved from "god awful" to "not actively trying to lose" but that's still an improvement.

I just realized that maybe NY fans think Eli's great because they're comparing him to Mark Sanchez, Greg McElroy, and Geno Smith. I mean, if all you have to do is be better than the Jets' QB, everyone's great!


Don't forget the state also has that Toronto team
 
2013-12-03 03:59:37 PM  

FuManchu7: The cap money has to come from somewhere.


Well, the next guys (Sherman, Thomas) are getting paid from what they're not going to be giving Rice/Miller next year. Then, Wilson's really the only other essential guy. If Harvin gets hurt again, they can release him and have plenty of space (which is why he's making a ton this year). Otherwise they'll have to continue to get other guys on the cheap. but really, Sherman, Thomas, and Wilson are the only guys that aren't replaceable.

/though I don't want to have to replace a lot of them
//pretty sure we're going to lose Tate after this year
 
2013-12-03 03:59:38 PM  
FuManchu7:
It's all sunsine and happy thoughts until Wilson's rookie contract is up and he starts asking for Flacco money.  The cap money has to come from somewhere.

He will ask for, and receive, a renegotiation at the end of next year.   I think that is what the new rookie contract structure allows.

And he'll deserve it.
 
2013-12-03 03:59:40 PM  

IAmRight: Treygreen13: Eli has improved pretty significantly lately. Improved from "god awful" to "not actively trying to lose" but that's still an improvement.

I just realized that maybe NY fans think Eli's great because they're comparing him to Mark Sanchez, Greg McElroy, and Geno Smith. I mean, if all you have to do is be better than the Jets' QB, everyone's great!


Well arguably the most famous and beloved New York quarterback of all time actually threw more 47 more INTs than TDs in his career on his way to being enshrined in Canton. So the bar is pretty low.
 
2013-12-03 03:59:40 PM  

ShadowKamui: If they played either Atl or NYG at home they would have a shot, on the road no way in hell


Home field doesn't really matter when all teams involved are that bad, whoever shoots themselves in the foot the least will win the game, sadly I think all teams involved are out buying ammunition right now.

Shanihanigans probably needs the wins the most to keep his job (although Coughlin is a yearly hot seat candidate).
 
2013-12-03 04:00:16 PM  

thecpt: IAmRight: Treygreen13: Eli has improved pretty significantly lately. Improved from "god awful" to "not actively trying to lose" but that's still an improvement.

I just realized that maybe NY fans think Eli's great because they're comparing him to Mark Sanchez, Greg McElroy, and Geno Smith. I mean, if all you have to do is be better than the Jets' QB, everyone's great!

Don't forget the state also has that Toronto team


OH right, who could forget EJ Manuel?!
 
2013-12-03 04:00:40 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: IAmRight: Cam Newton has never thrown for as many TDs as Russell Wilson has in his worst year. Russell Wilson has never thrown as many INTs as Cam Newton in Newton's best year. There are NO measures (except maybe passing yards, which would just be silly) by which Newton is better than Wilson.

You make it sound like they've been playing for years...

They have 5 years total combined experience in the NFL.  Give it a few years to see who is top notch.  Wilson has the nod for now, but so did this guy early on....

[l.yimg.com image 600x782]


Geez, bring a bigger picture next time
 
2013-12-03 04:00:41 PM  

Devo: Hey Hey Tampa Bay

Hope we lose enough to show Schiano the door. A loss at home against the Bills this week would help.


He could win out and will still be fired.  A playoff win was the only thing that could have saved his job after the Freeman debacle
 
2013-12-03 04:03:33 PM  

Di Atribe: JusticeandIndependence: IAmRight: Cam Newton has never thrown for as many TDs as Russell Wilson has in his worst year. Russell Wilson has never thrown as many INTs as Cam Newton in Newton's best year. There are NO measures (except maybe passing yards, which would just be silly) by which Newton is better than Wilson.

You make it sound like they've been playing for years...

They have 5 years total combined experience in the NFL.  Give it a few years to see who is top notch.  Wilson has the nod for now, but so did this guy early on....

[l.yimg.com image 600x782]

Geez, bring a bigger picture next time


That EYE was too good to miss
 
2013-12-03 04:04:21 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: That EYE was too good to miss


LOL.... it's like I'm laughing, but I'm going to have nightmares. So conflicted.
 
2013-12-03 04:05:02 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: They have 5 years total combined experience in the NFL.  Give it a few years to see who is top notch.  Wilson has the nod for now, but so did this guy early on....


Sam Bradford has never done anything on the level of either Newton or Wilson.

Though:

Bradford: 49 games, 58.6% completions, 59 TD, 38 INT
Newton: 44 games, 59.6% completions, 59 TD, 40 INT
Wilson: 28 games, 64.5% completions, 48 TD, 16 INT

/Bradford lags way behind both on yards/attempt and basically everything else
//not as much as Newton lags behind Wilson
 
2013-12-03 04:05:12 PM  

IAmRight: FuManchu7: The cap money has to come from somewhere.

Well, the next guys (Sherman, Thomas) are getting paid from what they're not going to be giving Rice/Miller next year. Then, Wilson's really the only other essential guy. If Harvin gets hurt again, they can release him and have plenty of space (which is why he's making a ton this year). Otherwise they'll have to continue to get other guys on the cheap. but really, Sherman, Thomas, and Wilson are the only guys that aren't replaceable.

/though I don't want to have to replace a lot of them
//pretty sure we're going to lose Tate after this year


It sounds doable, but it's a problem the Saints currently have (and the Ravens are experiencing).  You tie up 1/3 of your cap in one player.  It's hard getting good value out of the other 52 roster spots.  The Saints were milking Graham's rookie contract, but will probably have to franchise him because they don't have the room for what he will expect.
 
2013-12-03 04:05:57 PM  

FuManchu7: Shame Us: Rent Party: JusticeandIndependence: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x832]

Good thing the Panther's front office didn't listen to "Fans" during the 1-3 start.  I'll take Cam over almost any QB in the league right now.

I am a huge Cam Newton fan and have been since his college days.   I get a bunch of grief for saying things like "I'd trade you Wilson for Newton right now, straight up."  I'm usually trolling when I do, but sometimes I mean it.

No trading Wilson. Not ever.

It's all sunsine and happy thoughts until Wilson's rookie contract is up and he starts asking for Flacco money.  The cap money has to come from somewhere.


Yeah. The Hawks are set up pretty well there actually. Wont pay browner, Zach Miller an Rice will be off the books after this season or at least at FAAAARRRR reduced salary if they stay. Those alone free up over $20mil in cap space. More than likely, Clemons will be gone and maybe Avril/Bennett. Another $15-20 mil. Hell, Lynch is probably gone after his deal runs out too.
 
2013-12-03 04:07:59 PM  

FuManchu7: It sounds doable, but it's a problem the Saints currently have (and the Ravens are experiencing).  You tie up 1/3 of your cap in one player.


Well, 1/6, but yeah, I'm well aware. As I was watching the game, I couldn't fully enjoy it because I kept thinking "f*ck, I wish we could keep this team. I hate the salary cap."

/but yeah, Lynch is gone after this contract. Michael's probably jumping Turbin for starter though.
 
2013-12-03 04:08:07 PM  

IAmRight: JusticeandIndependence: They have 5 years total combined experience in the NFL.  Give it a few years to see who is top notch.  Wilson has the nod for now, but so did this guy early on....

Sam Bradford has never done anything on the level of either Newton or Wilson.

Though:

Bradford: 49 games, 58.6% completions, 59 TD, 38 INT
Newton: 44 games, 59.6% completions, 59 TD, 40 INT
Wilson: 28 games, 64.5% completions, 48 TD, 16 INT

/Bradford lags way behind both on yards/attempt and basically everything else
//not as much as Newton lags behind Wilson


ROY was the comparrison I was making.  Bradford was the next big QB for the NFL that year.

Cam has more yards rushing and passing than Wilson.  My point is it's wayyyyy to early to tell who is a better long term QB right now.
 
2013-12-03 04:08:10 PM  

FuManchu7: IAmRight: FuManchu7: The cap money has to come from somewhere.

Well, the next guys (Sherman, Thomas) are getting paid from what they're not going to be giving Rice/Miller next year. Then, Wilson's really the only other essential guy. If Harvin gets hurt again, they can release him and have plenty of space (which is why he's making a ton this year). Otherwise they'll have to continue to get other guys on the cheap. but really, Sherman, Thomas, and Wilson are the only guys that aren't replaceable.

/though I don't want to have to replace a lot of them
//pretty sure we're going to lose Tate after this year

It sounds doable, but it's a problem the Saints currently have (and the Ravens are experiencing).  You tie up 1/3 of your cap in one player.  It's hard getting good value out of the other 52 roster spots.  The Saints were milking Graham's rookie contract, but will probably have to franchise him because they don't have the room for what he will expect.


The cap is arounbd $130mil. No one is making that kind of money to be a $40mil hit. I think Brees got $39mil one year, but his cap hit was less than that.
 
2013-12-03 04:08:46 PM  

Treygreen13: Sorry guys, no trivia this week. I spent the day preparing for my court case. Ended up challenging and winning against a red light camera ticket. [i291.photobucket.com image 850x937] Go fark yourself, American Traffic Solutions. Fark yourself right in the ear. I told you that you wouldn't get a dime from me and I was right.


img.fark.net

 
2013-12-03 04:09:01 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: IAmRight: Cam Newton has never thrown for as many TDs as Russell Wilson has in his worst year. Russell Wilson has never thrown as many INTs as Cam Newton in Newton's best year. There are NO measures (except maybe passing yards, which would just be silly) by which Newton is better than Wilson.

You make it sound like they've been playing for years...

They have 5 years total combined experience in the NFL.  Give it a few years to see who is top notch.  Wilson has the nod for now, but so did this guy early on....

[l.yimg.com image 600x782]


Jesus, it's.... it's.... it's eating my soul!
 
2013-12-03 04:12:14 PM  

IAmRight: FuManchu7: It sounds doable, but it's a problem the Saints currently have (and the Ravens are experiencing).  You tie up 1/3 of your cap in one player.

Well, 1/6, but yeah, I'm well aware. As I was watching the game, I couldn't fully enjoy it because I kept thinking "f*ck, I wish we could keep this team. I hate the salary cap."

/but yeah, Lynch is gone after this contract. Michael's probably jumping Turbin for starter though.


Wilson will probably get something like a 6 year $130mil deal or something along those lines. Around $22mil per year or so I'd bet. That hit his first year will be less than $10mil though. The cap crisis is not nearly as bad as people think it is. Thomas and Okung are already PAID from their rookie deals, they won't be adding a ton above what their cap hit already is. Sherman and Wilson are the only guys due to get huge raises. Thurmond and Tate will probably get healthy deals if kept and Baldwin will be behind them. Rice, Miller, Browner, Clemons, Bryant and/or Mebane & Giacomini are probably all gone soon.
 
2013-12-03 04:15:07 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: ROY was the comparrison I was making.  Bradford was the next big QB for the NFL that year.


Yeah, Bradford, like Newton, was ROY in a weak rookie crop.

Oh, and passing yards don't really count for dick. Count passing yards per play or adjusted passing yards, and Wilson CRUSHES the other two in both.

/efficiency stats > volume stats
 
2013-12-03 04:17:05 PM  
Sea-HAWKS!!!
 
2013-12-03 04:19:20 PM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: Alright, three losses by 20 points are out of the way. Time to get this sh*t back on track.

[img.fark.net image 640x640]


THIS! THIS! So much more, THIS!
 
2013-12-03 04:19:25 PM  

Shame Us: FuManchu7: IAmRight: FuManchu7: The cap money has to come from somewhere.

Well, the next guys (Sherman, Thomas) are getting paid from what they're not going to be giving Rice/Miller next year. Then, Wilson's really the only other essential guy. If Harvin gets hurt again, they can release him and have plenty of space (which is why he's making a ton this year). Otherwise they'll have to continue to get other guys on the cheap. but really, Sherman, Thomas, and Wilson are the only guys that aren't replaceable.

/though I don't want to have to replace a lot of them
//pretty sure we're going to lose Tate after this year

It sounds doable, but it's a problem the Saints currently have (and the Ravens are experiencing).  You tie up 1/3 of your cap in one player.  It's hard getting good value out of the other 52 roster spots.  The Saints were milking Graham's rookie contract, but will probably have to franchise him because they don't have the room for what he will expect.

The cap is arounbd $130mil. No one is making that kind of money to be a $40mil hit. I think Brees got $39mil one year, but his cap hit was less than that.


My bad.  I remember an article that had Brees at 1/3 the cap.  It's closer to 1/6.  It's still dang restrictive to tie up that much in one player.
 
2013-12-03 04:22:34 PM  

FuManchu7: Shame Us: FuManchu7: IAmRight: FuManchu7: The cap money has to come from somewhere.

Well, the next guys (Sherman, Thomas) are getting paid from what they're not going to be giving Rice/Miller next year. Then, Wilson's really the only other essential guy. If Harvin gets hurt again, they can release him and have plenty of space (which is why he's making a ton this year). Otherwise they'll have to continue to get other guys on the cheap. but really, Sherman, Thomas, and Wilson are the only guys that aren't replaceable.

/though I don't want to have to replace a lot of them
//pretty sure we're going to lose Tate after this year

It sounds doable, but it's a problem the Saints currently have (and the Ravens are experiencing).  You tie up 1/3 of your cap in one player.  It's hard getting good value out of the other 52 roster spots.  The Saints were milking Graham's rookie contract, but will probably have to franchise him because they don't have the room for what he will expect.

The cap is arounbd $130mil. No one is making that kind of money to be a $40mil hit. I think Brees got $39mil one year, but his cap hit was less than that.

My bad.  I remember an article that had Brees at 1/3 the cap.  It's closer to 1/6.  It's still dang restrictive to tie up that much in one player.


It is, but if you think about who the Hawks would be without Wilson or who the Saints would be without Brees, it makes sense to break the bank a bit.
 
2013-12-03 04:24:06 PM  

IAmRight: JusticeandIndependence: ROY was the comparrison I was making.  Bradford was the next big QB for the NFL that year.

Yeah, Bradford, like Newton, was ROY in a weak rookie crop.

Oh, and passing yards don't really count for dick. Count passing yards per play or adjusted passing yards, and Wilson CRUSHES the other two in both.

/efficiency stats > volume stats


Missed my point again.  that's fine.

WILSON IS THE BETTER QB RIGHT NOW.  Is that better?

Food for thought....
Newton rushing TD's first two years - 62, yards rushing - 1,447
Wilson rushing TD's first two years - 53, yards rushing - 945


I'm just saying it's closer than you believe who is better for their team.  I would argue that Newton has more influence in the game stats than Wilson.  Wilson is the better leader overall but has The Beast on his team.
 
2013-12-03 04:26:38 PM  

IAmRight: Rent Party: In fact, given his size and speed, Wilson and Newton are exactly the same kind of QB, except one is bigger and more accomplished.

Wilson also won RoY honors (depending on publication), but that's tougher to do when you come to the NFL in the best year for QBs in at least a decade.

Cam Newton finishes about 16th in the league in QBR, DVOA, and DYAR every year (actual range: 14-18). Russell Wilson is in the top 10 every year.

Cam Newton has never thrown for as many TDs as Russell Wilson has in his worst year. Russell Wilson has never thrown as many INTs as Cam Newton in Newton's best year. There are NO measures (except maybe passing yards, which would just be silly) by which Newton is better than Wilson.


I hate to jump into any argument involving Seahawks fans, especially you and Shame Us, but why are you repeatedly saying "every year" for Wilson? Are you including college in your rankings? If not, hasn't Wilson had just one year?
 
2013-12-03 04:27:04 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: IAmRight: JusticeandIndependence: ROY was the comparrison I was making.  Bradford was the next big QB for the NFL that year.

Yeah, Bradford, like Newton, was ROY in a weak rookie crop.

Oh, and passing yards don't really count for dick. Count passing yards per play or adjusted passing yards, and Wilson CRUSHES the other two in both.

/efficiency stats > volume stats

Missed my point again.  that's fine.

WILSON IS THE BETTER QB RIGHT NOW.  Is that better?

Food for thought....
Newton rushing TD's first two years - 62, yards rushing - 1,447
Wilson rushing TD's first two years - 53, yards rushing - 945


I'm just saying it's closer than you believe who is better for their team.  I would argue that Newton has more influence in the game stats than Wilson.  Wilson is the better leader overall but has The Beast on his team.


Those numbers can't be right. 62 & 53 rushing TDs? huh?
 
2013-12-03 04:27:48 PM  

skrame: IAmRight: Rent Party: In fact, given his size and speed, Wilson and Newton are exactly the same kind of QB, except one is bigger and more accomplished.

Wilson also won RoY honors (depending on publication), but that's tougher to do when you come to the NFL in the best year for QBs in at least a decade.

Cam Newton finishes about 16th in the league in QBR, DVOA, and DYAR every year (actual range: 14-18). Russell Wilson is in the top 10 every year.

Cam Newton has never thrown for as many TDs as Russell Wilson has in his worst year. Russell Wilson has never thrown as many INTs as Cam Newton in Newton's best year. There are NO measures (except maybe passing yards, which would just be silly) by which Newton is better than Wilson.

I hate to jump into any argument involving Seahawks fans, especially you and Shame Us, but why are you repeatedly saying "every year" for Wilson? Are you including college in your rankings? If not, hasn't Wilson had just one year?


He's in the top 10 this year too. Small sample size for both, though.
 
2013-12-03 04:28:33 PM  
Hell, if you look at classic stats like Passer Rating, Wilson is 2nd in the league behind Manning (3rd if you include Foles).
 
2013-12-03 04:29:29 PM  

Shame Us: JusticeandIndependence: IAmRight: JusticeandIndependence: ROY was the comparrison I was making.  Bradford was the next big QB for the NFL that year.

Yeah, Bradford, like Newton, was ROY in a weak rookie crop.

Oh, and passing yards don't really count for dick. Count passing yards per play or adjusted passing yards, and Wilson CRUSHES the other two in both.

/efficiency stats > volume stats

Missed my point again.  that's fine.

WILSON IS THE BETTER QB RIGHT NOW.  Is that better?

Food for thought....
Newton rushing TD's first two years - 62, yards rushing - 1,447
Wilson rushing TD's first two years - 53, yards rushing - 945


I'm just saying it's closer than you believe who is better for their team.  I would argue that Newton has more influence in the game stats than Wilson.  Wilson is the better leader overall but has The Beast on his team.

Those numbers can't be right. 62 & 53 rushing TDs? huh?


Sorry wrong column.

Cam has 22
Wilson has 5
 
2013-12-03 04:29:44 PM  
JusticeandIndependence:That EYE was too good to miss

It's like the photographer caught him mid-psychotic twitch

Di Atribe: LOL.... it's like I'm laughing, but I'm going to have nightmares. So conflicted.

Likewise...my soul is crying with both joy and fear from that picture.
 
2013-12-03 04:30:21 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: WILSON IS THE BETTER QB RIGHT NOW.  Is that better?


Wilson is, and always has been the better QB, and there's zero reason to believe that Newton will ever be better than Wilson. This is all based on a response to a nut of a Seattle fan who thinks sometimes that he'd trade Wilson for Newton, which would be ludicrous.

Now, Cam Newton's okay. I'm certainly fine with Panthers fans being happy with him, and I've spent a lot of the year (especially early on) pointing out that beating Carolina in Carolina IS something to be proud of, because they're a legitimate team. But saying you'd trade Wilson for Newton at this point is nuts.

/you'll notice that as Newton throws fewer passes and runs less, the Panthers win more
//the Panthers have three good RBs that they weren't even using because it all had to be about Newton early on
 
2013-12-03 04:32:27 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: Shame Us: JusticeandIndependence: IAmRight: JusticeandIndependence: ROY was the comparrison I was making.  Bradford was the next big QB for the NFL that year.

Yeah, Bradford, like Newton, was ROY in a weak rookie crop.

Oh, and passing yards don't really count for dick. Count passing yards per play or adjusted passing yards, and Wilson CRUSHES the other two in both.

/efficiency stats > volume stats

Missed my point again.  that's fine.

WILSON IS THE BETTER QB RIGHT NOW.  Is that better?

Food for thought....
Newton rushing TD's first two years - 62, yards rushing - 1,447
Wilson rushing TD's first two years - 53, yards rushing - 945


I'm just saying it's closer than you believe who is better for their team.  I would argue that Newton has more influence in the game stats than Wilson.  Wilson is the better leader overall but has The Beast on his team.

Those numbers can't be right. 62 & 53 rushing TDs? huh?

Sorry wrong column.

Cam has 22
Wilson has 5


Fair enough. No doubt that Cam's volume stats were aided by being on a shiattier team that needed him to do everything (which is debatable, since HEY look what happens when you stop pressing so much!). Wilson was playing with one arm behind his back before the Bears game last season because Bevell handcuffed him for no reason. Cam is good, maybe even great - Wilson is a better QB.
 
2013-12-03 04:32:33 PM  

skrame: I hate to jump into any argument involving Seahawks fans, especially you and Shame Us, but why are you repeatedly saying "every year" for Wilson? Are you including college in your rankings? If not, hasn't Wilson had just one year?


Hey, I'm including this year. Wilson has 22 TDs; Newton's never thrown 22 TD passes in a season. Similarly, Newton already has 11 INTs, more than Wilson's 10 from last year.
 
2013-12-03 04:33:21 PM  
I remember watching Cam in college and thinking he literally was like a man among boys. I was extremely interested in how long it would take him to adjust to the NFL. I would not be surprised if he ends up a Hall-of-Famer, assuming he continues to progress and take the game and his personal life seriously.

That said, go Seahawks and screw the Panthers if/when they cross them again.
 
2013-12-03 04:36:21 PM  

IAmRight: skrame: I hate to jump into any argument involving Seahawks fans, especially you and Shame Us, but why are you repeatedly saying "every year" for Wilson? Are you including college in your rankings? If not, hasn't Wilson had just one year?

Hey, I'm including this year. Wilson has 22 TDs; Newton's never thrown 22 TD passes in a season. Similarly, Newton already has 11 INTs, more than Wilson's 10 from last year.


Wilson is currently on pace for 29 TDs and 8 picks, based on the full season so far, but he's seems to be a better player late in the season. 30 is certainly in reach plus I think 2 or 3 rushing TDs. He does more with less opportunity.
 
2013-12-03 04:38:18 PM  

IAmRight: /you'll notice that as Newton throws fewer passes and runs less, the Panthers win more


100% agree

IAmRight: //the Panthers have three good RBs that they weren't even using because it all had to be about Newton early on


Meh.  Stewart hasn't been the same since his injuries.  I wish they would have traded one of them a few years ago, but Williams is 30 now.  Tolbert is a beast for short yards and is the best pass catcher, but has no speed.

I agree on the second part.  Riverboat Ron and Shula had to change their game plan, I'm glad they did.
 
2013-12-03 04:39:05 PM  

Shame Us: ink about who the Hawks would be without Wilson or who the Saints would be without Brees, it makes sense to break the bank a bit.


Well, if the Saints current problem is their offensive line ... they lost their best-in-the-league line the year Brees got his big contract because they couldn't afford to resign some of the line.  It's one of the reasons Nicks had to leave.
 
2013-12-03 04:40:27 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: I wish they would have traded one of them a few years ago, but Williams is 30 now.


Hey In-di-a-NAAAA-polis! I hear you want a running back and if you're willing to give up a first rounder for a guy that struggles to average 3 yards/carry, what will you offer someone who will average 3.5-4 yards/carry?
 
2013-12-03 04:41:40 PM  

FuManchu7: Well, if the Saints current problem is their offensive line ... they lost their best-in-the-league line the year Brees got his big contract because they couldn't afford to resign some of the line.


Good news! We've already played most of this year without our starting offensive line! So we know we can get by without them.

/though obviously I prefer to keep them
 
2013-12-03 04:44:27 PM  

IAmRight: FuManchu7: Well, if the Saints current problem is their offensive line ... they lost their best-in-the-league line the year Brees got his big contract because they couldn't afford to resign some of the line.

Good news! We've already played most of this year without our starting offensive line! So we know we can get by without them.

/though obviously I prefer to keep them


I think we keep Okung and Unger. Probably Carpenter and *shudder for now* Sweezy. Sweezy and Carp may not start depending on how things develop, though.
 
2013-12-03 04:48:13 PM  

Shame Us: I think we keep Okung and Unger. Probably Carpenter and *shudder for now* Sweezy. Sweezy and Carp may not start depending on how things develop, though.


Yeah, I'm obviously talking about the guys that are actually good. Sweezy was playing the whole year, so when I say the line was out for the whole year, I'm basically saying that he's not a significant part of the line. That said, all other things being equal, I think you have to keep the white guy named Sweezy as long as you possibly can.
 
2013-12-03 04:48:50 PM  

IAmRight: JusticeandIndependence: I wish they would have traded one of them a few years ago, but Williams is 30 now.

Hey In-di-a-NAAAA-polis! I hear you want a running back and if you're willing to give up a first rounder for a guy that struggles to average 3 yards/carry, what will you offer someone who will average 3.5-4 yards/carry?


HA!

Could have happened two years ago when they were both over 750 yards.

Now, I doubt any team would take Williams (age) or Stewart (injuries)
 
2013-12-03 04:49:39 PM  
JusticeandIndependence:

Cam has more yards rushing and passing than Wilson.  My point is it's wayyyyy to early to tell who is a better long term QB right now.

All trollin' aside, I think it's pretty fair to say that they're both going to be pretty good long term QBs, though.
 
2013-12-03 04:51:06 PM  
SOV. And I just told my boss that I haven't signed all of the Christmas cards yet because I've been just SO busy today. :D

img.fark.net

Busy makin graphs maybe what whaaaaaaaaaaaat?
 
2013-12-03 04:54:57 PM  

Di Atribe: SOV. And I just told my boss that I haven't signed all of the Christmas cards yet because I've been just SO busy today. :D

[img.fark.net image 850x581]

Busy makin graphs maybe what whaaaaaaaaaaaat?


SOV....SOV...

Statement of Values?
Sons of Vulcan?
Source of Volume?
Sales Order Value?
Shut off Valve?
Solicitation of Views?
Source of Verification?
Space Operations Vehicle?
 
2013-12-03 04:56:07 PM  

IAmRight: I think you have to keep the white guy named Sweezy as long as you possibly can.


I can't imagine anyone disagreeing with that. I was never more disappointed in the loss of a talentless 3rd string QB than when Minnesota cut Booty.
 
2013-12-03 04:58:00 PM  

FuManchu7: IAmRight: FuManchu7: The cap money has to come from somewhere.

Well, the next guys (Sherman, Thomas) are getting paid from what they're not going to be giving Rice/Miller next year. Then, Wilson's really the only other essential guy. If Harvin gets hurt again, they can release him and have plenty of space (which is why he's making a ton this year). Otherwise they'll have to continue to get other guys on the cheap. but really, Sherman, Thomas, and Wilson are the only guys that aren't replaceable.

/though I don't want to have to replace a lot of them
//pretty sure we're going to lose Tate after this year

It sounds doable, but it's a problem the Saints currently have (and the Ravens are experiencing).  You tie up 1/3 of your cap in one player.  It's hard getting good value out of the other 52 roster spots.  The Saints were milking Graham's rookie contract, but will probably have to franchise him because they don't have the room for what he will expect.


The Ravens' cap hit for Flacco is $6.8m this year. That's less than his $8m last year.

In his first 3 years (before a big jump that will require a renegotiation) he's still a cap number small than Peyton is this year.

The Raven's big issue is a horrendous offensive line. The Center is atrocious - he graded out as 34 out of 34 starting centers at one point in the season. He's probably about there now. The left guard is currently the guy that lost the battle for center...
 
2013-12-03 04:58:21 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: Di Atribe: SOV. And I just told my boss that I haven't signed all of the Christmas cards yet because I've been just SO busy today. :D

[img.fark.net image 850x581]

Busy makin graphs maybe what whaaaaaaaaaaaat?

SOV....SOV...

Statement of Values?
Sons of Vulcan?
Source of Volume?
Sales Order Value?
Shut off Valve?
Solicitation of Views?
Source of Verification?
Space Operations Vehicle?


son of a vitch!

/strength of victory
 
2013-12-03 04:58:29 PM  
I don't even really want to get into a Cam vs Wilson debate. I have much more fun comparing him to Luck (since the Panthers had to "settle" for Cam after Luck declined to enter the draft).
 
2013-12-03 04:59:04 PM  

FuManchu7: (and the Ravens are experiencing). You tie up 1/3 of your cap in one player.


The cap was only $20.4M this year?! Daaaaaaaaaamn.
 
2013-12-03 04:59:42 PM  

Di Atribe: SOV. And I just told my boss that I haven't signed all of the Christmas cards yet because I've been just SO busy today. :D

[img.fark.net image 850x581]

Busy makin graphs maybe what whaaaaaaaaaaaat?


This puts a more fascinating visual on that state of the league right now, especially with Arizona and Detroit at the same point.
 
2013-12-03 05:01:40 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: Di Atribe: SOV. And I just told my boss that I haven't signed all of the Christmas cards yet because I've been just SO busy today. :D

[img.fark.net image 850x581]

Busy makin graphs maybe what whaaaaaaaaaaaat?

SOV....SOV...

Statement of Values?
Sons of Vulcan?
Source of Volume?
Sales Order Value?
Shut off Valve?
Solicitation of Views?
Source of Verification?
Space Operations Vehicle?


Spirit of Valhalla?
Subject Object Verb?
Side open vest?
Single occupancy vehicle?
Sword of Valor?
Statement of volatility?
Solenoid-operated valve?
Strength of victory?

Oooooooh I'm sure it's in there somewhere.
 
2013-12-03 05:02:24 PM  

Di Atribe: SOV. And I just told my boss that I haven't signed all of the Christmas cards yet because I've been just SO busy today. :D

[img.fark.net image 850x581]

Busy makin graphs maybe what whaaaaaaaaaaaat?


Is that a tiny Manningface for the Giants logo?
 
2013-12-03 05:03:41 PM  

The Bestest: Di Atribe: SOV. And I just told my boss that I haven't signed all of the Christmas cards yet because I've been just SO busy today. :D

[img.fark.net image 850x581]

Busy makin graphs maybe what whaaaaaaaaaaaat?

Is that a tiny Manningface for the Giants logo?


I'm still offended lambchop keeps getting pulled.
 
2013-12-03 05:07:05 PM  

Di Atribe: JusticeandIndependence: Di Atribe: SOV. And I just told my boss that I haven't signed all of the Christmas cards yet because I've been just SO busy today. :D

[img.fark.net image 850x581]

Busy makin graphs maybe what whaaaaaaaaaaaat?

SOV....SOV...

Statement of Values?
Sons of Vulcan?
Source of Volume?
Sales Order Value?
Shut off Valve?
Solicitation of Views?
Source of Verification?
Space Operations Vehicle?

Spirit of Valhalla?
Subject Object Verb?
Side open vest?
Single occupancy vehicle?
Sword of Valor?
Statement of volatility?
Solenoid-operated valve?
Strength of victory?

Oooooooh I'm sure it's in there somewhere.


I'm curious how they judge the strength of a victory?

NE beating the Jets in week 2 was a big deal at the time.  Now it's nothing.
Miami beating Atlanta was a big deal, but it doesn't seem like a big deal now.

When is the strength of victory calculated?  Is it in relation to their current record or record at the time?
 
2013-12-03 05:07:50 PM  

The Bestest: Is that a tiny Manningface for the Giants logo?


Oh you better believe it, baby


neuroflare: I'm still offended lambchop keeps getting pulled.


I can't remember why I changed it back. I think it was because Lambchop is so light-colored, it was hard to tell what it was.
 
2013-12-03 05:10:19 PM  

togaman2k: Falcons Rise Up!

oh wait...

We only beat the Bills.


Gawd I hate that slogan/rally cry.
 
2013-12-03 05:10:43 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: Rwa2play: IAmRight: Clash City Farker: Only Best Manning can beat Brady

I would think the best Manning would be the one that can make the playoffs every year.

Best Manning has two rings; last time I checked Peyton's only got one to his name.

Yes, the only measurement to a good QB is a ring.

Let's see.

Peyton is 2nd all time in pass yards, 2nd all time in pass completions, 2nd in all time touchdowns thrown, fastest ever to 50,000 yards, fastest ever to 60,000 yards, fastest to 4,000 completions, fastest to 400 passing touchdowns, 4x MVP, most seasons with at least 4,000 passing yards.....the list goes on and on and on.

The guy is going to be the greatest statistical passer the league has ever seen.

Sorry if he doesn't have two+ rings to meet your guidelines.


As I told IAmRight:  Ask Dan Marino if he wouldn't have given up part of those records to get one SB ring.

If you're going for the Chamberlain/Russell model, here's a hint for you:  don't argue in favor of Chamberlain.
 
2013-12-03 05:11:53 PM  

LucklessWonder: And let's go old school with Redskin QB injuries...
[www.draftpartyblog.com image 259x195]


Aw c'mon man, even as a Giants fan I still cringe at that one.
 
2013-12-03 05:11:59 PM  

neuroflare: The Bestest: Di Atribe: SOV. And I just told my boss that I haven't signed all of the Christmas cards yet because I've been just SO busy today. :D

[img.fark.net image 850x581]

Busy makin graphs maybe what whaaaaaaaaaaaat?

Is that a tiny Manningface for the Giants logo?

I'm still offended lambchop keeps getting pulled.


How 'bout Yogi for the Bears?
 
2013-12-03 05:12:48 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: NE beating the Jets in week 2 was a big deal at the time. Now it's nothing.
Miami beating Atlanta was a big deal, but it doesn't seem like a big deal now.

When is the strength of victory calculated? Is it in relation to their current record or record at the time?


Current record. So for Atlanta, we would take into account St Louis, Tampa Bay, & Buffalo.

5-7
3-9
4-8

12 wins out of 36 total. 12/36 = .333

Got it? Awesome.
 
2013-12-03 05:12:56 PM  

Di Atribe: Busy makin graphs maybe what whaaaaaaaaaaaat?


Yup, there's the Chargers out there, beating the teams they shouldn't beat and losing to the teams they should.
 
2013-12-03 05:13:12 PM  

meanmutton: Rwa2play: IAmRight: Clash City Farker: Only Best Manning can beat Brady

I would think the best Manning would be the one that can make the playoffs every year.

Best Manning has two rings; last time I checked Peyton's only got one to his name.

This is not the year to try to convince people that Eli is as good as Peyton, let alone better than him.


Wasn't trying to; was making the point that the only Manning that can beat Brady consistently is Eli.  Thus, Best Manning.
 
2013-12-03 05:15:12 PM  

Rwa2play: As I told IAmRight:  Ask Dan Marino if he wouldn't have given up part of those records to get one SB ring.


Rings still don't make you a great player. Eli is a vastly inferior QB to his brother.
 
2013-12-03 05:15:53 PM  

Treygreen13: Sorry guys, no trivia this week. I spent the day preparing for my court case. Ended up challenging and winning against a red light camera ticket.
[i291.photobucket.com image 850x937]
Go fark yourself, American Traffic Solutions. Fark yourself right in the ear. I told you that you wouldn't get a dime from me and I was right.


No business based on Throckmorton St. should ever be taken seriously.
 
2013-12-03 05:16:17 PM  

Treygreen13: Eli has improved pretty significantly lately. Improved from "god awful" to "not actively trying to lose" but that's still an improvement.


Considering y'all had DMac and subsequently Michael Vick, I wouldn't be crowing about Eli's competency or lack thereof.
 
2013-12-03 05:17:05 PM  
How much Nyquil did Drew Brees have to chug last night to sleep off that game?

Didn't even crack 200 yards on offense.
 
2013-12-03 05:18:54 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Treygreen13: Sorry guys, no trivia this week. I spent the day preparing for my court case. Ended up challenging and winning against a red light camera ticket.
[i291.photobucket.com image 850x937]
Go fark yourself, American Traffic Solutions. Fark yourself right in the ear. I told you that you wouldn't get a dime from me and I was right.

No business based on Throckmorton St. should ever be taken seriously.


I think that's City Hall's address.
 
2013-12-03 05:19:44 PM  

4NSpy: How much Nyquil did Drew Brees have to chug last night to sleep off that game?

Didn't even crack 200 yards on offense.


By different metrics, it was either his worst game since 2006 or his worst game since 2003. All that without throwing a single pick too.
 
2013-12-03 05:21:04 PM  

Clash City Farker: Only Best Manning can beat Brady


Joe Flacco says, "I'm your huckleberry."

/He also says, "Damn you, Evans!"
//And, "You too, Cundiff!!"
///Also, "I'm not leaving you out, Clayton!!!"
 
2013-12-03 05:21:49 PM  

IAmRight: Rwa2play: As I told IAmRight:  Ask Dan Marino if he wouldn't have given up part of those records to get one SB ring.

Rings still don't make you a great player. Eli is a vastly inferior QB to his brother.


Great player doesn't necessarily make you a champion. Because if that were the case then people would be putting the Malone's of the world alongside Jordan or the Bonds' of the world alongside Jeter.
 
2013-12-03 05:26:07 PM  

Treygreen13: thecpt: IAmRight: Treygreen13: Eli has improved pretty significantly lately. Improved from "god awful" to "not actively trying to lose" but that's still an improvement.

I just realized that maybe NY fans think Eli's great because they're comparing him to Mark Sanchez, Greg McElroy, and Geno Smith. I mean, if all you have to do is be better than the Jets' QB, everyone's great!

Don't forget the state also has that Toronto team

OH right, who could forget EJ Manuel?!



None of the doctors who do knee surgeries sadly.
 
2013-12-03 05:27:24 PM  

Di Atribe: UNC_Samurai: Treygreen13: Sorry guys, no trivia this week. I spent the day preparing for my court case. Ended up challenging and winning against a red light camera ticket.
[i291.photobucket.com image 850x937]
Go fark yourself, American Traffic Solutions. Fark yourself right in the ear. I told you that you wouldn't get a dime from me and I was right.

No business based on Throckmorton St. should ever be taken seriously.

I think that's City Hall's address.


Does that invalidate my argument?
 
2013-12-03 05:27:47 PM  

AntonChigger: Di Atribe: AntonChigger: The Lions beneath the cowboys?  Please.

Chigger, please. Cry more, ya big baby.

I'm not crying, just stating my opinion.  The lions could be a great team if they could somehow play consistently from week to week, but I just think they are better than the cowboys.


A last second matt stafford dive better.
 
2013-12-03 05:28:42 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: IAmRight: Cam Newton has never thrown for as many TDs as Russell Wilson has in his worst year. Russell Wilson has never thrown as many INTs as Cam Newton in Newton's best year. There are NO measures (except maybe passing yards, which would just be silly) by which Newton is better than Wilson.

You make it sound like they've been playing for years...

They have 5 years total combined experience in the NFL.  Give it a few years to see who is top notch.  Wilson has the nod for now, but so did this guy early on....


...I still contend he was playing just as badly as Colt McCoy, but remains with the Rams due to his huge contract (which is not nearly as much of an issue after the new CBA).

/You watch. My bet is that the Rams will be in the Johnny Manziel sweepstakes.
 
2013-12-03 05:30:26 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Di Atribe: UNC_Samurai: Treygreen13: Sorry guys, no trivia this week. I spent the day preparing for my court case. Ended up challenging and winning against a red light camera ticket.
[i291.photobucket.com image 850x937]
Go fark yourself, American Traffic Solutions. Fark yourself right in the ear. I told you that you wouldn't get a dime from me and I was right.

No business based on Throckmorton St. should ever be taken seriously.

I think that's City Hall's address.

Does that invalidate my argument?


Touche
 
2013-12-03 05:30:32 PM  

Rwa2play: IAmRight: Rwa2play: As I told IAmRight:  Ask Dan Marino if he wouldn't have given up part of those records to get one SB ring.

Rings still don't make you a great player. Eli is a vastly inferior QB to his brother.

Great player doesn't necessarily make you a champion. Because if that were the case then people would be putting the Malone's of the world alongside Jordan or the Bonds' of the world alongside Jeter.


Johnny Unitas has one super bowl ring.
 
2013-12-03 05:31:14 PM  

Di Atribe: IAmRight: Smelly McUgly: How? Unless you are a NFCW fan, our franchise has only become REALLY relevant this last couple of years.

Well, her boy Romo's greatest and original failure occurred in Seattle and people always bring it up when discussing his "chokiness," though most who bring it up are not Seahawks fans.

That is incorrect. Seahawks fans (although not you & Shame Us so much) have been pretty consistent at being awful about it. Seven years ago & they still can't let it go. It's pathetic.


I was at that game. I yelled loudly just as the ball was snapped, distracting Romo, I believe. But even though I played a key role, I don't talk about it much. The Hawks were beaten until that lucky break.
 
2013-12-03 05:31:51 PM  
Cam is like a mixture of all these read-option quarterbacks and Joe Flacco-esque big arm mentality

Rwa2play: IAmRight: Rwa2play: As I told IAmRight:  Ask Dan Marino if he wouldn't have given up part of those records to get one SB ring.

Rings still don't make you a great player. Eli is a vastly inferior QB to his brother.

Great player doesn't necessarily make you a champion. Because if that were the case then people would be putting the Malone's of the world alongside Jordan or the Bonds' of the world alongside Jeter.


great team players win championships... as great as guys like Peyton or Brady are, the times they won championships was when they disappeared into the team come playoff/championship time, it's why all these regular season accolades for one guy mean nothing come january/february
 
2013-12-03 05:33:38 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-03 05:34:29 PM  
Eagles are 10?

Ummmm...that was unexpected.

24.media.tumblr.com

So...yeah, we need to win or the Cowboys need to lose. Nuff said really.
 
2013-12-03 05:36:29 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Clash City Farker: Only Best Manning can beat Brady

Joe Flacco says, "I'm your huckleberry."

/He also says, "Damn you, Evans!"
//And, "You too, Cundiff!!"
///Also, "I'm not leaving you out, Clayton!!!"


I believe Flacco is 3-3 vs. the Patriots.

2-1 Playoffs
1-2 Regular Season
 
2013-12-03 05:37:03 PM  

mikaloyd: [i.imgur.com image 850x937]


I just noticed he needs to clean his fingernails
 
2013-12-03 05:37:38 PM  
Jason Whitlock can suck my ass.
 
2013-12-03 05:39:07 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Di Atribe: UNC_Samurai: Treygreen13: Sorry guys, no trivia this week. I spent the day preparing for my court case. Ended up challenging and winning against a red light camera ticket.
[i291.photobucket.com image 850x937]
Go fark yourself, American Traffic Solutions. Fark yourself right in the ear. I told you that you wouldn't get a dime from me and I was right.

No business based on Throckmorton St. should ever be taken seriously.

I think that's City Hall's address.

Does that invalidate my argument?


By the look of it, your argument is not only valid but also sound.
 
2013-12-03 05:41:36 PM  

degenerate-afro: I believe Flacco is 3-3 vs. the Patriots.

2-1 Playoffs
1-2 Regular Season



He is. Though a dropped pass by Evans/missed FG by Cundiff cost him one win and a dropped pass by Clayton cost him another.

The other loss was in overtime.
 
2013-12-03 05:43:06 PM  

neuroflare: mikaloyd: [i.imgur.com image 850x937]

I just noticed he needs to clean his fingernails


Looks like he was heavy into some Doritos prior to bird-flippage.
 
2013-12-03 05:44:54 PM  
Christ, 300 comments already. Di, I totally forgot about your SOV graf last night. You did an acceptable job in updating the numbers; I did a full update right now. TGTBSS coming up after I type it get my birthday drink on
 
2013-12-03 05:46:11 PM  

mikaloyd: [i.imgur.com image 850x937]


THIS ISN'T THE MARCUS HALL FLOWCHART, YOU PUSSY!
 
2013-12-03 05:47:57 PM  

neuroflare: mikaloyd: [i.imgur.com image 850x937]

I just noticed he needs to clean his fingernails


In wondering if he was inspired by ai Wei Wei
 
2013-12-03 05:50:05 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: Rwa2play: IAmRight: Clash City Farker: Only Best Manning can beat Brady

I would think the best Manning would be the one that can make the playoffs every year.

Best Manning has two rings; last time I checked Peyton's only got one to his name.

Yes, the only measurement to a good QB is a ring.

Let's see.

Peyton is 2nd all time in pass yards, 2nd all time in pass completions, 2nd in all time touchdowns thrown, fastest ever to 50,000 yards, fastest ever to 60,000 yards, fastest to 4,000 completions, fastest to 400 passing touchdowns, 4x MVP, most seasons with at least 4,000 passing yards.....the list goes on and on and on.

The guy is going to be the greatest statistical passer the league has ever seen.

Sorry if he doesn't have two+ rings to meet your guidelines.


It's the same reason Mathew Stafford isn't considered an elite QB - the only stat that truly matters is Superbowl rings, followed by playoff victories, followed by regular season victories. Peyton is behind Eli in that. 5,000 yards, 50 TD's, those are nice but meaningless if you don't get the W, particularly in the playoffs, which has been the biggest knock on Peyton.

/And the Cowboys season is over, since they only play to the end of November.
//Go Lions!
 
2013-12-03 05:51:03 PM  

RminusQ: Christ, 300 comments already. Di, I totally forgot about your SOV graf last night. You did an acceptable job in updating the numbers; I did a full update right now. TGTBSS coming up after I type it get my birthday drink on


Woohoo!  Happy birthday!

"Acceptable"
 
2013-12-03 05:52:13 PM  

alwaysjaded: farbekrieg: Sigh falcons cant even keep a line on the #1 overall pick next year

/Houston stop sucking so damn hard

Hell no!! Houston needs to bomb every last remaining game so there will be no excuse not to nuke from orbit the entire coaching staff.

But knowing this organization, they'll probably just blow it hiring Lane Kiffin as head coach and
draft Manziel. *shudder*


now i want this to happen.  They can trade for Incognito, n'Donkey Kong Sue and Courtland Innegan too.
 
2013-12-03 05:56:31 PM  
An animooted GIF of the SOV chart would be the bestest thing ever.
 
2013-12-03 05:57:45 PM  

Rent Party: Shame Us: Rent Party: JusticeandIndependence: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x832]

Good thing the Panther's front office didn't listen to "Fans" during the 1-3 start.  I'll take Cam over almost any QB in the league right now.

I am a huge Cam Newton fan and have been since his college days.   I get a bunch of grief for saying things like "I'd trade you Wilson for Newton right now, straight up."  I'm usually trolling when I do, but sometimes I mean it.

No trading Wilson. Not ever.

Oh I know.  But I look at Wilson, and I think "Man, what would he be like if he were six inches taller?"

And I know the answer.   He'd be Cam Newton.


Maybe physically but Wilson is a lot smarter and comes off as cool and humble guy.  Cam is a mopey self absorbed prick.  Cams the kind of guy that has to be told to give a touchdown ball to kids in the crowd because it will improve his image.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8236f177/article/newton-follow s- panthers-coachs-script-gives-td-ball-to-kid
 
2013-12-03 05:59:52 PM  

Treygreen13: Sorry guys, no trivia this week. I spent the day preparing for my court case. Ended up challenging and winning against a red light camera ticket.
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Go fark yourself, American Traffic Solutions. Fark yourself right in the ear. I told you that you wouldn't get a dime from me and I was right.


Thats actually way better than Trivia.  Stick it to the man!
 
2013-12-03 06:06:07 PM  

elguerodiablo: Rent Party: Shame Us: Rent Party: JusticeandIndependence: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x832]

Good thing the Panther's front office didn't listen to "Fans" during the 1-3 start.  I'll take Cam over almost any QB in the league right now.

I am a huge Cam Newton fan and have been since his college days.   I get a bunch of grief for saying things like "I'd trade you Wilson for Newton right now, straight up."  I'm usually trolling when I do, but sometimes I mean it.

No trading Wilson. Not ever.

Oh I know.  But I look at Wilson, and I think "Man, what would he be like if he were six inches taller?"

And I know the answer.   He'd be Cam Newton.

Maybe physically but Wilson is a lot smarter and comes off as cool and humble guy.  Cam is a mopey self absorbed prick.  Cams the kind of guy that has to be told to give a touchdown ball to kids in the crowd because it will improve his image.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8236f177/article/newton-follow s- panthers-coachs-script-gives-td-ball-to-kid



Thanks for the story from 2011.  I think anybody paying attention has seen Newton mature quite a bit this year after receiving coaching from friends and family.  Yep, guy needed help from people to grow up some, probably a first in the history of the world...
 
2013-12-03 06:07:14 PM  
Cam Newton or Russell Wilson?

What a pointless argument. Most of last year I would have picked RG3 over either. Easily. Now, not so much.

It's like a mini-Brady/Manning argument. Their fan bases should just be happy they have one of them. Not having a quality quarterback puts you in football fan hell, sometimes for years and years if you miss on the draft.

You know what I'm saying, don't you Seattle?
 
2013-12-03 06:11:24 PM  

Di Atribe: neuroflare: mikaloyd: [i.imgur.com image 850x937]

I just noticed he needs to clean his fingernails

Looks like he was heavy into some Doritos prior to bird-flippage.


Might just be the light in the office. I hadn't eaten anything yet.
 
2013-12-03 06:11:26 PM  
whar Jake whaar?
 
2013-12-03 06:13:40 PM  

Techhell: It's the same reason Mathew Stafford isn't considered an elite QB


No, it's not.
 
2013-12-03 06:21:07 PM  

Baelz: whar Jake whaar?


I think rob is too drunk after last night
 
2013-12-03 06:21:20 PM  

Cletus C.: Cam Newton or Russell Wilson?

What a pointless argument. Most of last year I would have picked RG3 over either. Easily. Now, not so much.

It's like a mini-Brady/Manning argument. Their fan bases should just be happy they have one of them. Not having a quality quarterback puts you in football fan hell, sometimes for years and years if you miss on the draft.

You know what I'm saying, don't you Seattle?


Yes.  Yes, we do.  Two words: Rick Mirer.

Personally, I'm sick of the Newton v. Wilson debate.  I'm sick of the "Wilson is undefeated at home" trivia.  All I want at this point is a NFC Championship rematch from 2005.  Battle in Seattle Part II: Wilson Boogaloo.
 
2013-12-03 06:25:50 PM  
Well.  Now that THAT'S over, first a word to the sky is falling types.
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/and now for The Jake
 
2013-12-03 06:29:02 PM  

UNC_Samurai: mikaloyd: [i.imgur.com image 850x937]

THIS ISN'T THE MARCUS HALL FLOWCHART, YOU PUSSY!


THIS IS A JON MARTIN FLOWCHART YOU CLENIS

www.sportspickle.com
 
2013-12-03 06:32:14 PM  

mikaloyd: UNC_Samurai: mikaloyd: [i.imgur.com image 850x937]

THIS ISN'T THE MARCUS HALL FLOWCHART, YOU PUSSY!

THIS IS A JON MARTIN FLOWCHART YOU CLENIS


I notice a distinct lack of WARRIOR CODE
 
2013-12-03 06:35:39 PM  
Friends,

We are gathered here today to celebrate a remarkable achievement.  An achievement recorded by a gunslinger that, quite frankly, we didn't think we'd see in a starting role again.  A victory borne from an opportunity that most, up to and including this week's winner, probably did not think would ever come again.  While it is true that our man had recently found himself back on the field leading an NFL team once more after an unfortunate injury to his team's starter, one simply doesn't think a quarterback will just continue to get injured as the season progresses.  Not unless your team employs Michael Vick, dual aficionado of sending dogs to the animal doctor and himself to the people doctor, and the Tennessee Titans certainly do not.

So it was that our hero of the week found himself again thrown into the breach and thrown out of his own inner monologue, which revolved around the temperature of the metal clipboard in his hands, whether Jennifer Lawrence's breasts are in fact real, and if laissez-faire capitalism can truly be trusted to work in developing countries strung along the sub-Saharan continent.

What, our boy went to Harvard.  He's wicked smart.

No, getting back under center in an actual factual NFL game was the furthest thing from his mind on the afternoon of Week 10, his team taking on the squadron from Jacksonville that was being loosely labeled a "football team." With the division race heating up, our protagonist was quite happy for the upcoming easy win, not that he'd have much to do with it.  He spent his starting years up in Buffalo, and while his performance was at first so solid it reached the level of fanbase-comes-up-with-cute-name-derived-label status with "Fitzmagic," it hadn't lasted.

Buffalo went back to being Buffalo, and his weeks and months as the starter of the Bills were filled not with races for playoff spots or division crowns, oh no.

They were filled with races for The Jake.  Races that sadly went unfulfilled, game after game, performance after performance.  If the two quarterbacks most awash in talking head drool are Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, and the pairing of Jay Cutler and Philip Rivers form the matching sets of footprints in the sand immediately following Jake Delhomme's, then Andy Dalton and Ryan Fitzpatrick were truly the Twin Towers of Jake runners-up.

How they flung the ball to cornerbacks far and wide, how they bobbled the ball to the sausage link fingers of fat defensive linemen all around the league, and it was always for naught.  They'd always fail to fail in the most heartbreaking of ways, and even now, he didn't like thinking about those days.  The days of wine, roses, and golden horse's asses were all gone now, but that was fine.  He had an up-and-comer to take under his wing, to bring up in his mold.

Sure, of course he had noticed that Andy Dalton had finally gone all the way and went down in a blaze of glory the previous week, his 66.7 at long last able to stand up to all comers, and snared a Jake to call his very own.  But he shook his head then, gave a warm nod of appreciation to the TV screen displaying the bungling of the Bengals, and called over Locker for a final review of the gameplan that day.

The old dreams
were good dreams.  They didn't work out, but Ryan Fitzpatrick was glad he had them.

Their opponents were hapless then, their pitiful record of zero wins and eight losses quite easily attesting to that fact.  Some were openly discussing whether the fabled dream team of failure, the Detroit Lions of their 0-16 campaign in 2008, could defeat them.  Having managed to stumble through their bye week without losing to any middle school flag football teams, fresh off having been fed a fortyburger by the San Francisco 49ers, the Jaguars came to Tennessee hungry for hope and desperate for a miracle.


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And with a snap, crackle, and/or pop of Jake Locker's right foot, that prayer was answered.

Sure, Titans fans were worried, but our man had been a starter at one point, wasn't he?  This was the Jaguars, and they were at home...Hell, they could put the calcified corpse of Bud Adams under center and they could beat the farking Jaguars, couldn't they?

With a 4th quarter fumble returned for a touchdown at 2:32 remaining, providing the Jaguars with an unprecedented and unimaginable two score lead that would provide enough cover to ensure their first victory of the season, our champion could think only one thing, and he Goddamned well screamed it to the sky.


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"I'm farking BACK, baby!  How do you like them apples!"

The season continued, and for the next two weeks, that old black Fitzmagic was cooking.  A loss to the Indianapolis Colts was rough going, that's true, and it didn't make fans happy that their team was now 0-2 for the second coming of The Ryan Fitzpatrick Era.  But he knew they had the Colts again in two weeks, and in between there, they had the Oakland Raiders.  Being the first team to lose to the Jags was tough, but even the team that did that couldn't lose to the Raiders...

Right?

Following their 4-point victory over the Raiders, Fitz was feeling fine, and why wouldn't he?


ootlyfe.com

His beard was in full bloom.

i63.photobucket.com

Jake Locker was willing to pretend to listen as he would detail how the assassination of William McKinley in 1901 by anarchist Leon Czolgosz was actually more interesting than either of the Lincoln or Kennedy assassinations.

i63.photobucket.com

The ghost of Bud Adams came to bestow some last minute advice.

Yeah, life was pretty sweet.  He was starting again, and the division title was still in sight - a win here would put them a game back with 4 to go.  There were some niggling reminders in his head, though.  Constant flashes of Dalton's award-winning performance washing over his beautiful mind as the game got underway and, as Andrew Luck threw a bad pick in the first 2 minutes of the game, a subconscious growl emerged from somewhere far beyond the mass of facial hair behind his facemask.

He swallowed hard and settled those urges down quickly, though, as the game became an early defensive struggle.  Points were at a premium as the first quarter turned into the second, as a narrow Indianapolis lead became a slight Tennessee advantage and just as quickly turned back the other way.  It looked as though this battle would be waged solely on the scoreboard, but then...quick as a flash...

Andrew Luck fumbled.

33.3 was his score, and for our Hibernian friend, there were no more desires able to be overcome.  This was war, and one soon met with an interception by Fitzpatrick to close the first half.  Those feelings only stewed further in his guts, and they consumed him.

Unable to avoid retaking the lead on their first possession of the second half, he heroically slammed the ball onto the grass as he was being sacked during the second.   That lead vanished due to yet another Adam Vinatieri field goal on the gift possession, a 50.0 was notched with another interception only 80 seconds afterward.  One might've thought that would be enough, but he just knew better.

All those past heartbreaks.  All those wrong turns.  The journey from starter to backup, how it weighed on him.  How he stood on those sidelines and wished Delhomme would send him something he was afraid to lose.

Now, he knew that Jake had.

The game was still in doubt, the Indianapolis margin a mere 8 points.  But he heard something else was in doubt.  Yet again, there was a logjam at 50.0.  Once more, there were a handful of other quarterbacks jostling for the same crown that had been so cruelly snatched from his head.

But he had the ball, there was time on the clock, and every passing second is another chance to turn it all around.

So he did.

And as he watched his pass fly past his allegedly intended Titan teammate and near the Colt behind him, he saw his trophy.  His trophy beckoning, its radiant glow washing all those lost clubhouse leads away, and the emotions just poured out of him.


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No, not like that.  Not everyone micturates from their eyeballs, you know.

For providing proof positive that dreams never die, for showing us that no perpetual bridesmaid should ever be given up on for this award, for scoring a 66.7 against the Indianapolis Colts, I am proud to present The Jake for Week 13 of the 2013 NFL season to Ryan Fitzpatrick of the Tennessee Titans.


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Ryan, anything to share?  Wait...are you singing?

www.washingtonpost.com

"When I lost you, honey, sometimes I think I lost my guts too.  Oh girl, you've got my love, heaaaaaaaaaaaart and soul."

Awww.  As another remarkably bearded man once said...


i63.photobucket.com

"That's beautiful, man."
 
2013-12-03 06:36:27 PM  

Cletus C.: Cam Newton or Russell Wilson?

What a pointless argument. Most of last year I would have picked RG3 over either. Easily. Now, not so much.

It's like a mini-Brady/Manning argument. Their fan bases should just be happy they have one of them. Not having a quality quarterback puts you in football fan hell, sometimes for years and years if you miss on the draft.

You know what I'm saying, don't you Seattle?


the worst is when you draft a good quarterback who goes all Derrick Rose on you... just good enough to root for the guy and pull your heart strings, just glass enough that every year you can't wait for hockey to start
 
2013-12-03 06:36:57 PM  

harleyquinnical: Cletus C.: Cam Newton or Russell Wilson?

What a pointless argument. Most of last year I would have picked RG3 over either. Easily. Now, not so much.

It's like a mini-Brady/Manning argument. Their fan bases should just be happy they have one of them. Not having a quality quarterback puts you in football fan hell, sometimes for years and years if you miss on the draft.

You know what I'm saying, don't you Seattle?

Yes.  Yes, we do.  Two words: Rick Mirer.

Personally, I'm sick of the Newton v. Wilson debate.  I'm sick of the "Wilson is undefeated at home" trivia.  All I want at this point is a NFC Championship rematch from 2005.  Battle in Seattle Part II: Wilson Boogaloo.


Rick Mirer...Dan McGwire...Stan Gelbaugh...Jon Freisz...Trent Dilfer...
 
2013-12-03 06:37:30 PM  
Meanwhile, moving up to #2 on our countdown this week... THE DENVER BRONCOS! :D

i1182.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-03 06:39:46 PM  

UNC_Samurai: mikaloyd: UNC_Samurai: mikaloyd: [i.imgur.com image 850x937]

THIS ISN'T THE MARCUS HALL FLOWCHART, YOU PUSSY!

THIS IS A JON MARTIN FLOWCHART YOU CLENIS

I notice a distinct lack of WARRIOR CODE


HERE IS YOUR DISTINCT LACK OF WARRIOR CODE FLOWCHART

daily100.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-12-03 06:42:59 PM  

robsul82: For providing proof positive that dreams never die, for showing us that no perpetual bridesmaid should ever be given up on for this award, for scoring a 66.7 against the Indianapolis Colts, I am proud to present The Jake for Week 13 of the 2013 NFL season to Ryan Fitzpatrick of the Tennessee Titans.


i1182.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-03 06:51:26 PM  

robsul82: Friends,


fitzmagic baby!
 
2013-12-03 06:51:29 PM  

Shame Us: harleyquinnical: Cletus C.: Cam Newton or Russell Wilson?

What a pointless argument. Most of last year I would have picked RG3 over either. Easily. Now, not so much.

It's like a mini-Brady/Manning argument. Their fan bases should just be happy they have one of them. Not having a quality quarterback puts you in football fan hell, sometimes for years and years if you miss on the draft.

You know what I'm saying, don't you Seattle?

Yes.  Yes, we do.  Two words: Rick Mirer.

Personally, I'm sick of the Newton v. Wilson debate.  I'm sick of the "Wilson is undefeated at home" trivia.  All I want at this point is a NFC Championship rematch from 2005.  Battle in Seattle Part II: Wilson Boogaloo.

Rick Mirer...Dan McGwire...Stan Gelbaugh...Jon Freisz...Trent Dilfer...


Kelly Stouffer.
 
2013-12-03 06:52:38 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Shame Us: harleyquinnical: Cletus C.: Cam Newton or Russell Wilson?

What a pointless argument. Most of last year I would have picked RG3 over either. Easily. Now, not so much.

It's like a mini-Brady/Manning argument. Their fan bases should just be happy they have one of them. Not having a quality quarterback puts you in football fan hell, sometimes for years and years if you miss on the draft.

You know what I'm saying, don't you Seattle?

Yes.  Yes, we do.  Two words: Rick Mirer.

Personally, I'm sick of the Newton v. Wilson debate.  I'm sick of the "Wilson is undefeated at home" trivia.  All I want at this point is a NFC Championship rematch from 2005.  Battle in Seattle Part II: Wilson Boogaloo.

Rick Mirer...Dan McGwire...Stan Gelbaugh...Jon Freisz...Trent Dilfer...

Kelly Stouffer.


Charlie Whitehurst...Tarvaris Jackson...Seneca Wallace
 
2013-12-03 06:53:19 PM  
Irrational Productions presents...
The Great Tiebreaker Spreadsheet
with your host, RminusQ

Today's episode: 2013 Week 13


First the AFC table where, yes, all 16 teams are still alive. Houston will qualify for the playoffs with the following results: (a-d) four wins; (e-h) four MIA losses; (i-l) four BAL losses; (m-o) NYJ losses to CLE, OAK, CAR; (p-r) PIT losses to CIN, CLE, GB; (s-t) CLE losses to NE, CHI; (u-v) TEN losses to at least 2 of JAX, DEN, ARI; (w-x) BUF losses to at least 2 of NE, JAX, TB; (y) OAK loss to SD; (z-bb) SD losses to DEN, KC, NYG; (cc) OAK losses to at least 1 of DEN, KC. And that's it, easy peasy. And I swear to God I will block the first person who says "I was told there would be no math" for the rest of the regular season.
In other news, New England can clinch the East with a win and a Miami loss. Indy clinches the South with either a win or a Tennessee loss. Denver and Kansas City can both clinch playoff spots with wins; the latter also need losses by Baltimore and Miami.
justpredictions.webs.com

In the NFC tables, we see that while Seattle has clinched a playoff spot, they haven't knocked Arizona out of divisional contention. The reason the Seahawks have clinched is because it's not possible for BOTH Arizona and San Fran to finish ahead of Seattle, and a three-way tie at 11-5 would go SF-SEA-ARZ. Since it's not possible for any runner-up from the East or North to reach 11 wins, that puts Seattle into the postseason. More importantly, of course, they clinch the division and a first-round bye with a win on Sunday.
Also on Sunday, Carolina and New Orleans finally play the first of their two games, the last divisional pairings to play. If the two teams split their home-and-away and each win their other two games, the Saints win the division on conference record, so a Panthers loss in the Superdome will almost ensure a trip to Dallas or Philadelphia on Wild Card weekend.
justpredictions.webs.com

And lastly, of course, The Grid.
justpredictions.webs.com
Vast streams of emptiness crawling out of the top and bottom on each chart. In the AFC, if Denver slips up (but still wins the West), they would lose tiebreakers to New England and/or Indianapolis. In the NFC, Minnesota cannot get a wild card, but could still win their division with crazy luck. Since the North and East play each other, it's likely head-to-head (either past or future) could determine which division's champion is the #3 seed, and which has to face the NO/CAR loser.
Errata: St. Louis should be orange (can't win division).

Strength-of-schedule chart and Draft Order projection are skipped because Fark You I'm Drunk (or wish I was), and we had a two-hour diversity training session at school today.

justpredictions.webs.com
 
2013-12-03 06:53:29 PM  

mikaloyd: UNC_Samurai: mikaloyd: UNC_Samurai: mikaloyd: [i.imgur.com image 850x937]

THIS ISN'T THE MARCUS HALL FLOWCHART, YOU PUSSY!

THIS IS A JON MARTIN FLOWCHART YOU CLENIS

I notice a distinct lack of WARRIOR CODE

HERE IS YOUR DISTINCT LACK OF WARRIOR CODE FLOWCHART

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HERE IS YOUR FLOWCHART NOW WITH WARRIOR CODE GOODNESS

www.civfanatics.com
 
2013-12-03 06:55:30 PM  
Such a wonderful Ode to a fisherman, robsul.  It brought a tear to my eye.

Shame Us: Rick Mirer...Dan McGwire...Stan Gelbaugh...Jon Freisz...Trent Dilfer...


s2.quickmeme.com
And suddenly I remember many unhappy Sundays from my youth
 
2013-12-03 06:56:10 PM  

RminusQ: And that's it, easy peasy. And I swear to God I will block the first person who says "I was told there would be no math" for the rest of the regular season.


The Saints could use a blocker right now
 
2013-12-03 06:58:13 PM  

Shame Us: UNC_Samurai: Shame Us: harleyquinnical: Cletus C.: Cam Newton or Russell Wilson?

What a pointless argument. Most of last year I would have picked RG3 over either. Easily. Now, not so much.

It's like a mini-Brady/Manning argument. Their fan bases should just be happy they have one of them. Not having a quality quarterback puts you in football fan hell, sometimes for years and years if you miss on the draft.

You know what I'm saying, don't you Seattle?

Yes.  Yes, we do.  Two words: Rick Mirer.

Personally, I'm sick of the Newton v. Wilson debate.  I'm sick of the "Wilson is undefeated at home" trivia.  All I want at this point is a NFC Championship rematch from 2005.  Battle in Seattle Part II: Wilson Boogaloo.

Rick Mirer...Dan McGwire...Stan Gelbaugh...Jon Freisz...Trent Dilfer...

Kelly Stouffer.

Charlie Whitehurst...Tarvaris Jackson...Seneca Wallace


Hey, I'm gonna have to dispute this.  The guy was capable, and he came in with a torn pec muscle to help the team when Whitehurst obviously didn't give a shiat.  He's not the world's greatest QB, but he's way more capable than any of the others listed.
 
2013-12-03 06:59:16 PM  

harleyquinnical: Such a wonderful Ode to a fisherman, robsul.  It brought a tear to my eye.

Shame Us: Rick Mirer...Dan McGwire...Stan Gelbaugh...Jon Freisz...Trent Dilfer...

[s2.quickmeme.com image 290x200]
And suddenly I remember many unhappy Sundays from my youth


1.bp.blogspot.com
And yet, you guys managed to win despite  other teams setting records.
 
2013-12-03 07:01:35 PM  
No love for the Krieginator? Come on he holds so many seahawks records, like most times throwing to the one white reciever in all of football.
 
2013-12-03 07:02:51 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Shame Us: UNC_Samurai: Shame Us: harleyquinnical: Cletus C.: Cam Newton or Russell Wilson?

What a pointless argument. Most of last year I would have picked RG3 over either. Easily. Now, not so much.

It's like a mini-Brady/Manning argument. Their fan bases should just be happy they have one of them. Not having a quality quarterback puts you in football fan hell, sometimes for years and years if you miss on the draft.

You know what I'm saying, don't you Seattle?

Yes.  Yes, we do.  Two words: Rick Mirer.

Personally, I'm sick of the Newton v. Wilson debate.  I'm sick of the "Wilson is undefeated at home" trivia.  All I want at this point is a NFC Championship rematch from 2005.  Battle in Seattle Part II: Wilson Boogaloo.

Rick Mirer...Dan McGwire...Stan Gelbaugh...Jon Freisz...Trent Dilfer...

Kelly Stouffer.

Charlie Whitehurst...Tarvaris Jackson...Seneca Wallace

Hey, I'm gonna have to dispute this.  The guy was capable, and he came in with a torn pec muscle to help the team when Whitehurst obviously didn't give a shiat.  He's not the world's greatest QB, but he's way more capable than any of the others listed.


Yes. He his King F*ck of Sh*t Mountain. The best of the worst.
 
2013-12-03 07:03:45 PM  

SenorBenedict: No love for the Krieginator? Come on he holds so many seahawks records, like most times throwing to the one white reciever in all of football.


He does not make the list because he was a respectable QB - like Hasselbeck, Zorn and Wilson.
 
2013-12-03 07:06:14 PM  

SenorBenedict: No love for the Krieginator? Come on he holds so many seahawks records, like most times throwing to the one white reciever in all of football.


I think they are focusing on bad quarterbacks or draft busts, hence no love for Jon Kitna either.
 
2013-12-03 07:10:22 PM  

robsul82: The days of wine, roses, and golden horse's asses


Nice!
 
2013-12-03 07:19:54 PM  

Shame Us: Yes. He his King F*ck of Sh*t Mountain. The best of the worst.


Hey, T-Jack is a decent QB and I'm happy he's our backup now. I feel like he'd be able to lead this team to 11+ wins over a full season. If he'd been healthy the full year when he was here, we'd have been at least .500.

Though managing to lose in OT in the season finale was great. Got us the 12th spot, so we traded back to 15th, which enabled us to trade back in the first to where we wanted to be, get Irvin anyway, plus two picks, who turned out to be...Jaye Howard and...Jeremy Lane!

Sweet, losing an otherwise meaningless game got us a free solid CB backup that we've needed more than we'd like to and a special teams dominator (Howard got cut but is a decent player, too). Not to mention moved us up three spots in every round.
 
2013-12-03 07:22:02 PM  

IAmRight: Shame Us: Yes. He his King F*ck of Sh*t Mountain. The best of the worst.

Hey, T-Jack is a decent QB and I'm happy he's our backup now. I feel like he'd be able to lead this team to 11+ wins over a full season. If he'd been healthy the full year when he was here, we'd have been at least .500.

Though managing to lose in OT in the season finale was great. Got us the 12th spot, so we traded back to 15th, which enabled us to trade back in the first to where we wanted to be, get Irvin anyway, plus two picks, who turned out to be...Jaye Howard and...Jeremy Lane!

Sweet, losing an otherwise meaningless game got us a free solid CB backup that we've needed more than we'd like to and a special teams dominator (Howard got cut but is a decent player, too). Not to mention moved us up three spots in every round.


Jackson is a solid backup - this is true - and I'm happy to have him back...as a backup. I do not want to see him starting for this team, though I do agree that he can slog through some games and get Ws with this team. The offense would be FAR less dynamic with him starting, though.
 
2013-12-03 07:22:47 PM  

Di Atribe: RminusQ: Christ, 300 comments already. Di, I totally forgot about your SOV graf last night. You did an acceptable job in updating the numbers; I did a full update right now. TGTBSS coming up after I type it get my birthday drink on

Woohoo!  Happy birthday!

"Acceptable"


Well I saw the entirety of the data and I was like "that doesn't make any sense and blah blah blah" and eventually realized that you had simply updated the few columns that you actually use for the chart (and not the other stuff that leads to those columns).
 
2013-12-03 07:27:14 PM  

robsul82: For providing proof positive that dreams never die, for showing us that no perpetual bridesmaid should ever be given up on for this award, for scoring a 66.7 against the Indianapolis Colts, I am proud to present The Jake for Week 13 of the 2013 NFL season to Ryan Fitzpatrick of the Tennessee Titans.


[looks through my records]

How the fark has Hahvahd Yahd never won a Jake until now?
 
2013-12-03 07:30:01 PM  

RminusQ: [justpredictions.webs.com image 850x352]


Green Bay needs to beat Atlanta or the NFC North is going 0-fer on their seeded divisional matchups for the year. Wow.
 
2013-12-03 07:30:25 PM  

robsul82: No, not like that. Not everyone micturates from their eyeballs, you know.


Not every day you can work that word into conversation. Or a poem.
 
2013-12-03 07:33:20 PM  

RminusQ: robsul82: For providing proof positive that dreams never die, for showing us that no perpetual bridesmaid should ever be given up on for this award, for scoring a 66.7 against the Indianapolis Colts, I am proud to present The Jake for Week 13 of the 2013 NFL season to Ryan Fitzpatrick of the Tennessee Titans.

[looks through my records]

How the fark has Hahvahd Yahd never won a Jake until now?


Yeah seriously, when that clown started for the bills it felt like all he did was throw freaking picks.
 
2013-12-03 07:40:20 PM  

eddievercetti: Eagles are 10?

Ummmm...that was unexpected.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x281]

So...yeah, we need to win or the Cowboys need to lose. Nuff said really.


You just know it's going to come down to week 17.
 
2013-12-03 07:40:21 PM  

SenorBenedict: RminusQ: robsul82: For providing proof positive that dreams never die, for showing us that no perpetual bridesmaid should ever be given up on for this award, for scoring a 66.7 against the Indianapolis Colts, I am proud to present The Jake for Week 13 of the 2013 NFL season to Ryan Fitzpatrick of the Tennessee Titans.

[looks through my records]

How the fark has Hahvahd Yahd never won a Jake until now?

Yeah seriously, when that clown started for the bills it felt like all he did was throw freaking picks.


Most likely due to <insert Browns QB here> and Mr. Buttfumble
 
2013-12-03 07:43:08 PM  
Hmm. Clayton just went on ESPN radio and said the 1-year susp for Browner is off the table and that Browner is pushing to be reduced to just a fine.

I doubt that will happen, but 4-gamer seems right.
 
2013-12-03 07:46:57 PM  

Shame Us: Hmm. Clayton just went on ESPN radio and said the 1-year susp for Browner is off the table and that Browner is pushing to be reduced to just a fine.

I doubt that will happen, but 4-gamer seems right.


I could see it going away, what with every other substance abuse "positive" being a result of not taking a test for a league that didn't employ him. Really is crazy that the NFL can test other leagues' athletes. I mean, it makes sense in baseball since the affiliates are just that, affiliates. But the CFL has nothing to do with the NFL, basically.

It'd be like you or I getting banned from Fark for swearing on Reddit.
 
2013-12-03 07:47:44 PM  
Of course, now that the league has been reminded of how the SeaHulks play without Browner, they might be more than happy to get him back in the lineup.
 
2013-12-03 07:51:34 PM  

ShadowKamui: SenorBenedict: RminusQ: robsul82: For providing proof positive that dreams never die, for showing us that no perpetual bridesmaid should ever be given up on for this award, for scoring a 66.7 against the Indianapolis Colts, I am proud to present The Jake for Week 13 of the 2013 NFL season to Ryan Fitzpatrick of the Tennessee Titans.

[looks through my records]

How the fark has Hahvahd Yahd never won a Jake until now?

Yeah seriously, when that clown started for the bills it felt like all he did was throw freaking picks.

Most likely due to <insert Browns QB here> and Mr. Buttfumble


So a bills player couldn't even fark something up correctly. Way to go Havahd you god damned clown.
 
2013-12-03 07:56:12 PM  

IAmRight: Shame Us: Hmm. Clayton just went on ESPN radio and said the 1-year susp for Browner is off the table and that Browner is pushing to be reduced to just a fine.

I doubt that will happen, but 4-gamer seems right.

I could see it going away, what with every other substance abuse "positive" being a result of not taking a test for a league that didn't employ him. Really is crazy that the NFL can test other leagues' athletes. I mean, it makes sense in baseball since the affiliates are just that, affiliates. But the CFL has nothing to do with the NFL, basically.

It'd be like you or I getting banned from Fark for swearing on Reddit.


It's an interesting situation. Had Browner never been escalated to Phase 2, which is the 4-game susp. level, and also the crux of his argument - that he never even should have been in Phase 2 because he was playing in Canada - his 2 years of clean tests (over 200 of them) would have him out of the Substance Abuse protocol all together, thus this positive test would result in a fine and no one ever hearing about it and being put back in Phase 1 again. Of course, the no one ever hearing about it thing is predicated on the NFL not leaking false info to its own reporters...who are somehow not subject to the rules that the rest of the league has to abide by when it comes to leaking confidential drug test info.
 
2013-12-03 08:03:57 PM  

SenorBenedict: So a bills player couldn't even fark something up correctly. Way to go Havahd you god damned clown.


A quick look at pro-football-reference tells me that in the Jake Era, Fitzy has had two 4-INT games, both against the Pats, in 2011-17 and 2012-04. The first of those, he lost a decision to Josh Freeman; the latter, he was beaten out by Big T in Big D's 5-interception virtuoso performance.
 
2013-12-03 08:04:48 PM  

Shame Us: By different metrics, it was either his worst game since 2006 or his worst game since 2003. All that without throwing a single pick too.


I started Brees (7.78pts) and Burleson (0.00pts) and still won. Secured a playoff spot! Thanks alshon jeffery, all day, a late pick-up of the miami D, and my very last minute bench of jordan reed for zach miller!

robsul82: The old dreams were good dreams.  They didn't work out, but Ryan Fitzpatrick was glad he had them.


Great work, as always, but I liked that transition so much that I had to mention it. Beautiful.

mikaloyd: The Saints could use a blocker right now


Packers too. But it's o.k. - ARod is coming back and he'll fix everything.

/go phins!
 
2013-12-03 08:06:11 PM  

harleyquinnical: IAmRight: Jesus, the Jags have a legit shot to go 7-9 with their remaining schedule. Not that they'll be favored...but they could beat all those teams.

It is within the realm of possibility that the Jaguars make the wild card at 7-9, which would put Bunny in a happier mood.

I can't decide if the Cardinals are too high or too low.


:::skimming the thread, sees the word Jags, stops to read:::

You're goddamned right it would make me happy!
 
2013-12-03 08:18:23 PM  

harleyquinnical: Di Atribe: SOV. And I just told my boss that I haven't signed all of the Christmas cards yet because I've been just SO busy today. :D

[img.fark.net image 850x581]

Busy makin graphs maybe what whaaaaaaaaaaaat?

This puts a more fascinating visual on that state of the league right now, especially with Arizona and Detroit at the same point.


They've been basically stalking each other most of the year as I recall.
 
2013-12-03 08:27:32 PM  

Shame Us: UNC_Samurai: Shame Us: harleyquinnical: Cletus C.: Cam Newton or Russell Wilson?

What a pointless argument. Most of last year I would have picked RG3 over either. Easily. Now, not so much.

It's like a mini-Brady/Manning argument. Their fan bases should just be happy they have one of them. Not having a quality quarterback puts you in football fan hell, sometimes for years and years if you miss on the draft.

You know what I'm saying, don't you Seattle?

Yes.  Yes, we do.  Two words: Rick Mirer.

Personally, I'm sick of the Newton v. Wilson debate.  I'm sick of the "Wilson is undefeated at home" trivia.  All I want at this point is a NFC Championship rematch from 2005.  Battle in Seattle Part II: Wilson Boogaloo.

Rick Mirer...Dan McGwire...Stan Gelbaugh...Jon Freisz...Trent Dilfer...

Kelly Stouffer.

Charlie Whitehurst...Tarvaris Jackson...Seneca Wallace


scientopia.org
 
2013-12-03 08:32:56 PM  
Bunny Deville::::skimming the thread, sees the word Jags, stops to read:::

You're goddamned right it would make me happy!


I'm actually rooting for this to happen because I really do want Gus Bradley to succeed as a coach.  I was heartbroken when I heard he left the defensive coordinator job in Seattle for the gig in Jacksonville.  So while he's the head coach, I'll be rooting for the Jags.
 
2013-12-03 08:33:53 PM  
Good to see ESPN fixed having the Patriots over the Panthers from last week.... should have been flipped then.
 
2013-12-03 08:34:05 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: Rwa2play: IAmRight: Rwa2play: As I told IAmRight:  Ask Dan Marino if he wouldn't have given up part of those records to get one SB ring.

Rings still don't make you a great player. Eli is a vastly inferior QB to his brother.

Great player doesn't necessarily make you a champion. Because if that were the case then people would be putting the Malone's of the world alongside Jordan or the Bonds' of the world alongside Jeter.

Johnny Unitas has one super bowl ring.


And three NFL titles beforehand; you do realize there was a championship game before the Super Bowl right?
 
2013-12-03 08:38:53 PM  

harleyquinnical: I'm actually rooting for this to happen because I really do want Gus Bradley to succeed as a coach.  I was heartbroken when I heard he left the defensive coordinator job in Seattle for the gig in Jacksonville.  So while he's the head coach, I'll be rooting for the Jags.


While heartbroken is a bit too strong a word for me, I too wish him the best of luck and hope the Jags do well as long as he's the coach!
 
2013-12-03 08:39:37 PM  

robsul82: Friends,


s2.subirimagenes.com

As usual.
 
2013-12-03 08:44:50 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Shame Us: harleyquinnical: Cletus C.: Cam Newton or Russell Wilson?

What a pointless argument. Most of last year I would have picked RG3 over either. Easily. Now, not so much.

It's like a mini-Brady/Manning argument. Their fan bases should just be happy they have one of them. Not having a quality quarterback puts you in football fan hell, sometimes for years and years if you miss on the draft.

You know what I'm saying, don't you Seattle?

Yes.  Yes, we do.  Two words: Rick Mirer.

Personally, I'm sick of the Newton v. Wilson debate.  I'm sick of the "Wilson is undefeated at home" trivia.  All I want at this point is a NFC Championship rematch from 2005.  Battle in Seattle Part II: Wilson Boogaloo.

Rick Mirer...Dan McGwire...Stan Gelbaugh...Jon Freisz...Trent Dilfer...

Kelly Stouffer.


Kelly farking Stouffer.  Has there been a more useless QB than him?  All the physical tools to be a QB coupled with NONE of the mental tools.
 
2013-12-03 09:11:13 PM  

Primitive Screwhead: Jason Whitlock can suck my ass.


Why, what'd he say.

SenorBenedict: RminusQ: robsul82: For providing proof positive that dreams never die, for showing us that no perpetual bridesmaid should ever be given up on for this award, for scoring a 66.7 against the Indianapolis Colts, I am proud to present The Jake for Week 13 of the 2013 NFL season to Ryan Fitzpatrick of the Tennessee Titans.

[looks through my records]

How the fark has Hahvahd Yahd never won a Jake until now?

Yeah seriously, when that clown started for the bills it felt like all he did was throw freaking picks.


Yep, before this season he and Dalton just always seemed to record 50.0s when someone else would hit a 66.7, and if one of them scored a 66.7, then Cutler or Rivers would completely implode.   Just like clockwork, lol.

VogonPoet: robsul82: No, not like that. Not everyone micturates from their eyeballs, you know.

Not every day you can work that word into conversation. Or a poem.


www.forkunion.com

Everything I need to know I learned from The Big Lebowski.
 
2013-12-03 09:30:37 PM  

Rwa2play: JusticeandIndependence: Rwa2play: IAmRight: Rwa2play: As I told IAmRight:  Ask Dan Marino if he wouldn't have given up part of those records to get one SB ring.

Rings still don't make you a great player. Eli is a vastly inferior QB to his brother.

Great player doesn't necessarily make you a champion. Because if that were the case then people would be putting the Malone's of the world alongside Jordan or the Bonds' of the world alongside Jeter.

Johnny Unitas has one super bowl ring.

And three NFL titles beforehand; you do realize there was a championship game before the Super Bowl right?


Those don't count according to the anti-cheeseheads, anti-Browns, etc etc
 
2013-12-03 09:31:30 PM  

Rent Party: Shame Us: UNC_Samurai: Shame Us: harleyquinnical: Cletus C.: Cam Newton or Russell Wilson?

What a pointless argument. Most of last year I would have picked RG3 over either. Easily. Now, not so much.

It's like a mini-Brady/Manning argument. Their fan bases should just be happy they have one of them. Not having a quality quarterback puts you in football fan hell, sometimes for years and years if you miss on the draft.

You know what I'm saying, don't you Seattle?

Yes.  Yes, we do.  Two words: Rick Mirer.

Personally, I'm sick of the Newton v. Wilson debate.  I'm sick of the "Wilson is undefeated at home" trivia.  All I want at this point is a NFC Championship rematch from 2005.  Battle in Seattle Part II: Wilson Boogaloo.

Rick Mirer...Dan McGwire...Stan Gelbaugh...Jon Freisz...Trent Dilfer...

Kelly Stouffer.

Charlie Whitehurst...Tarvaris Jackson...Seneca Wallace

[scientopia.org image 381x253]


Rusty F'in Smith baby, only the best
 
2013-12-03 09:36:22 PM  
Green Bay is too high right now.

Capers needs to go. I like the 3-4 base, but he needs to be shown the door.

As long as Aaron comes back in one piece at some point, the offense will not be the problem from that point forward. But they need to invest in the gorram o-line!
 
2013-12-03 09:49:25 PM  

xaks: Green Bay is too high right now.

Capers needs to go. I like the 3-4 base, but he needs to be shown the door.

As long as Aaron comes back in one piece at some point, the offense will not be the problem from that point forward. But they need to invest in the gorram o-line!


Since I wouldn't consider the Bears "in" the race anymore, since they have to effectively be 2 games better than Detroit in the last 4 games.  Even if the Lions go 1-3, I'm not too confident the Bears can pull off 3-1... and I think Detroit at least goes 2-2 anyway.  But, given that, the Packers are in the same boat, needing to be two games better than Detroit, and, unless Rodgers is back next week, or if they pull off a win without him, I think they sit him the rest of the year at 5-7-1.
 
2013-12-03 09:50:40 PM  

xaks: Green Bay is too high right now.

Capers needs to go. I like the 3-4 base, but he needs to be shown the door.

As long as Aaron comes back in one piece at some point, the offense will not be the problem from that point forward. But they need to invest in the gorram o-line!


I thought at the end of last season OL was going to be a big need.  Seems like that will be the case again after this season.
 
2013-12-03 09:57:34 PM  

Rwa2play: xaks: Green Bay is too high right now.

Capers needs to go. I like the 3-4 base, but he needs to be shown the door.

As long as Aaron comes back in one piece at some point, the offense will not be the problem from that point forward. But they need to invest in the gorram o-line!

I thought at the end of last season OL was going to be a big need.  Seems like that will be the case again after this season.


For different reasons though.

Bahktiari will be a solid, long-term left tackle. He's smart and fast, and has decent feet. He understands leverage and movement. He's just raw as shiat.

They need a real center and a stud right tackle. Move ED-S back to guard backup and keep either Newhouse or Barclay as a swinger. Still not sure on Sherrod long-term..


If they draft nothing but oline and safeties next year it'll be grand.
 
2013-12-03 10:02:17 PM  

xaks: Rwa2play: xaks: Green Bay is too high right now.

Capers needs to go. I like the 3-4 base, but he needs to be shown the door.

As long as Aaron comes back in one piece at some point, the offense will not be the problem from that point forward. But they need to invest in the gorram o-line!

I thought at the end of last season OL was going to be a big need.  Seems like that will be the case again after this season.

For different reasons though.

Bahktiari will be a solid, long-term left tackle. He's smart and fast, and has decent feet. He understands leverage and movement. He's just raw as shiat.

They need a real center and a stud right tackle. Move ED-S back to guard backup and keep either Newhouse or Barclay as a swinger. Still not sure on Sherrod long-term..


If they draft nothing but oline and safeties next year it'll be grand.


The Giants need a revamp at OL; that probably means Nicks is gone.  Of course, it would help if none of our key guys got hurt either in the OTAs, training camp or in preseason.
 
2013-12-03 10:07:44 PM  

dletter: xaks: Green Bay is too high right now.

Capers needs to go. I like the 3-4 base, but he needs to be shown the door.

As long as Aaron comes back in one piece at some point, the offense will not be the problem from that point forward. But they need to invest in the gorram o-line!

Since I wouldn't consider the Bears "in" the race anymore, since they have to effectively be 2 games better than Detroit in the last 4 games.  Even if the Lions go 1-3, I'm not too confident the Bears can pull off 3-1... and I think Detroit at least goes 2-2 anyway.  But, given that, the Packers are in the same boat, needing to be two games better than Detroit, and, unless Rodgers is back next week, or if they pull off a win without him, I think they sit him the rest of the year at 5-7-1.


It would not surprise me if he sat out the remainder.

It's like those few folks that were talking about voting Peyton MVP when he missed the year with the neck thing. Rodgers _is_ why the Pack is relevant. His long term health is the #1 thing to think about. If he sat, I wouldn't say a bad word about it. Well, OK, a couple bad words, but only since I've gotten used to winning more than losing since 1993 or so and I kinda like it. It would suck losing the rest of this season.

But I'd be OK with it.
 
2013-12-03 10:11:05 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: FuManchu7: (and the Ravens are experiencing). You tie up 1/3 of your cap in one player.

The cap was only $20.4M this year?! Daaaaaaaaaamn.


Only for the Redskins, because of that coont Mara's insistence.
 
2013-12-03 10:18:24 PM  

wjllope: Great work, as always, but I liked that transition so much that I had to mention it. Beautiful.


Mental self high five on that Bridges of Madison County reference, lol.
 
2013-12-03 11:05:12 PM  

Rwa2play: Considering y'all had DMac and subsequently Michael Vick, I wouldn't be crowing about Eli's competency or lack thereof.


Wait... since when is Treygreen13 an Eagles fan?
 
2013-12-03 11:17:29 PM  
The thing about the mindset that says "super bowl rings matter the most" is that it is so clearly not true, at least for the actual players.

If superb owl rings really mattered that much, wouldn't it make sense for a top QB (especially one that already has a few seasons under his belt and doesn't need any extra cash) to forego his salary and allow a team to put that money toward building a championship-caliber team around him?

I'm being serious, if someone wanted it that bad, is there any reason a Peyton or a Romo couldn't take a salary of $1 per game and use the leftover money to buy a better team to go win with?
 
2013-12-03 11:25:42 PM  

jimmythefly: I'm being serious, if someone wanted it that bad, is there any reason a Peyton or a Romo couldn't take a salary of $1 per game and use the leftover money to buy a better team to go win with?


While I agree with this in theory, first of all, there's obviously a minimum salary; secondly, the players' union would probably have a huge issue with said player basically submarining the value of other players.
 
rka
2013-12-03 11:38:35 PM  

jimmythefly: I'm being serious, if someone wanted it that bad, is there any reason a Peyton or a Romo couldn't take a salary of $1 per game and use the leftover money to buy a better team to go win with?


Veteran's minimum for starters.

Their wives and agents for another.
 
2013-12-03 11:42:52 PM  

IAmRight: jimmythefly: I'm being serious, if someone wanted it that bad, is there any reason a Peyton or a Romo couldn't take a salary of $1 per game and use the leftover money to buy a better team to go win with?

While I agree with this in theory, first of all, there's obviously a minimum salary; secondly, the players' union would probably have a huge issue with said player basically submarining the value of other players.


Plus, more importantly, agents that make a percentage of players 'income' that do the negotiating
 
2013-12-03 11:45:09 PM  
Oh, yeah minimum. Does a player have to accept the minimum, or can they willingly play for less? (I'm more wondering out loud, not trying to get you to do research for me, FYI).

I would find it hilarious for the player's union to be arguing that a player has the obligation to be as greedy as possible, and to intentionally do something that sabotages his own chances of being on a more successful team. To just come right out and say it "it's about the money, not the love of winning or the game".
 
rka
2013-12-03 11:56:13 PM  

jimmythefly: Oh, yeah minimum. Does a player have to accept the minimum, or can they willingly play for less? (I'm more wondering out loud, not trying to get you to do research for me, FYI).

I would find it hilarious for the player's union to be arguing that a player has the obligation to be as greedy as possible, and to intentionally do something that sabotages his own chances of being on a more successful team. To just come right out and say it "it's about the money, not the love of winning or the game".


Take $1 salary and blow out your knee in pre-season? Or have the guy you gave up your salary to blow out *his* knee? Either defeats the purpose and most of the time it's outside of your control.

I think many of these hyper-paid players (the Peytons, the Bradys, the Brees) are willing to make cap friendly contracts as much as is sanely possible. They can defer money, front load, back load..make 5 year contracts that are only year to year...whatever. All in the attempt to give the most flexibility to the cap rules.

But there are limits to anyone's "just playing for the love of the game". As I said, there is no guarantee that Peyton take the minimum and then giving the rest of the money to say...the defense, is going to guarantee a Super Bowl any more than him taking $20 million and watching Rahim Moore miss a ill-timed jump did last January.
 
2013-12-04 12:07:01 AM  

rka: But there are limits to anyone's "just playing for the love of the game".


There are people out there playing for the love of the game...it's called semi-pro football, and hell, even some of them still hold out dreams of making the big time and getting a big ol' payday.

But yeah, this is relevant for the agent angle:

http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=32ksYDlj5f4
 
2013-12-04 12:15:45 AM  

SilentStrider: eddievercetti: Eagles are 10?

Ummmm...that was unexpected.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x281]

So...yeah, we need to win or the Cowboys need to lose. Nuff said really.

You just know it's going to come down to week 17.


If we're lucky, the Skins could play spoiler...IF
 
2013-12-04 12:27:57 AM  

eddievercetti: SilentStrider: eddievercetti: Eagles are 10?

Ummmm...that was unexpected.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x281]

So...yeah, we need to win or the Cowboys need to lose. Nuff said really.

You just know it's going to come down to week 17.

If we're lucky, the Skins could play spoiler...IF


Dudes. Really? You've seen the Redskins play this year, right?
 
2013-12-04 12:59:50 AM  

Joe_diGriz: Rwa2play: Considering y'all had DMac and subsequently Michael Vick, I wouldn't be crowing about Eli's competency or lack thereof.

Wait... since when is Treygreen13 an Eagles fan?


It was news to me too. I mean both those guys DID play in Dallas, but as the visiting team.
 
2013-12-04 01:13:18 AM  
robsul82: The Jake

You said it best:

"That's beautiful, man."
 
2013-12-04 04:29:29 AM  

LucklessWonder: The Cowboys opponents are my 2nd favorite team as well.

/But I'm a 'Skins fan, so that's how it should be


My condolences.
 
2013-12-04 08:15:07 AM  

robsul82: Primitive Screwhead: Jason Whitlock can suck my ass.

Why, what'd he say.


On PTI he spewed out : "The Seahawks have peaked too early. They have played their best football game" and then proceeded to go on about how they will now slide into being a losing team.
Mr. Whitlock also threw in "They can't win in the playoffs with Russell Wilson as quarterback"

I'm always on board with a "let's not start sucking each other's dicks, yet" mentality, "there's plenty of football left, other teams are starting to gel and get healthy guys back" and all that jazz but his outright dismissive tone really went up my ass sideways.

/yes, I'm a fan of the show, which makes me part of the problem
//where's Wilbon?
///also broke my own rule of "not taking it even a bit serious"
 
2013-12-04 08:26:25 AM  
Tebow was Bing's most searched athlete of 2013. I blame Peter King entirely.
 
2013-12-04 08:30:36 AM  

IAmRight: Of course, now that the league has been reminded of how the SeaHulks play without Browner, they might be more than happy to get him back in the lineup.


SeaHulks do not need puny Browner!
 
2013-12-04 09:07:53 AM  

LucklessWonder: Tebow was Bing's most searched athlete of 2013. I blame Peter King entirely.


I could believe 2011, maybe even 2012... but, 2013?  He hasn't been relevant all year, nobody is really talking about him.   I'd call Tebow the most searched "person that was an athlete at one point" maybe.
 
2013-12-04 09:28:36 AM  
http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/machine/_/factor/home/results/3312290 1 1~2~331229023~2~331222033~2~331229015~2~331215029~1~331222020~2~331222 024~1~331215013~2~331215015~2~331208020~2~331229024~2~331208024~2~3312 05030~2~331229010~2~331208033~2~331215005~2~331215023~2

Still can get the Jaguars in the playoffs..... at 6-10.

And, other than Baltimore going 0-4 down the stretch.... all the other teams playing along with that doesn't seem all that implausible.
 
2013-12-04 11:02:02 AM  

jimmythefly: The thing about the mindset that says "super bowl rings matter the most" is that it is so clearly not true, at least for the actual players.

If superb owl rings really mattered that much, wouldn't it make sense for a top QB (especially one that already has a few seasons under his belt and doesn't need any extra cash) to forego his salary and allow a team to put that money toward building a championship-caliber team around him?

I'm being serious, if someone wanted it that bad, is there any reason a Peyton or a Romo couldn't take a salary of $1 per game and use the leftover money to buy a better team to go win with?


You mean like when Brady took a pay cut then New England cheaped out and let Welker walk?

Yeah these guys have a lot of money, but 20 mil is still 20 mil.
 
2013-12-04 11:23:16 AM  

dletter: LucklessWonder: Tebow was Bing's most searched athlete of 2013. I blame Peter King entirely.

I could believe 2011, maybe even 2012... but, 2013?  He hasn't been relevant all year, nobody is really talking about him.   I'd call Tebow the most searched "person that was an athlete at one point" maybe.


probably because the patriots picked him up in the offseason and if the patriots weren't being talked about because of tebow it was hernandez who of course was a former teammate at UF, so it created a whirlwind where tebow would be talked about no matter what, and then it was all anybody talked about in the preseason whether he would make the team, and now people wondering where the dude went since he dropped off the map entirely
 
2013-12-04 11:26:50 AM  

stappawho: jimmythefly: The thing about the mindset that says "super bowl rings matter the most" is that it is so clearly not true, at least for the actual players.

If superb owl rings really mattered that much, wouldn't it make sense for a top QB (especially one that already has a few seasons under his belt and doesn't need any extra cash) to forego his salary and allow a team to put that money toward building a championship-caliber team around him?

I'm being serious, if someone wanted it that bad, is there any reason a Peyton or a Romo couldn't take a salary of $1 per game and use the leftover money to buy a better team to go win with?

You mean like when Brady took a pay cut then New England cheaped out and let Welker walk?

Yeah these guys have a lot of money, but 20 mil is still 20 mil.


yeah, there's absolutely ZERO guarantee that a quarterback taking a pay cut will have any result that they wanted as we saw in the Brady-Welker deal... remember before Kraft cheapened out on Welker that Brady restructured his contract only for Kraft to directly say to the press that Brady doesn't control the team, that was a huge thing to say and basically set the tone for the offseason

in the end a HoF QB will make do with whatever they've got, but the idea that a HoF QB could make their situation better by taking less money doesn't take into account the fact that they have no control over the team's bank account
 
2013-12-04 11:54:08 AM  

Di Atribe: eddievercetti: SilentStrider: eddievercetti: Eagles are 10?

Ummmm...that was unexpected.

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So...yeah, we need to win or the Cowboys need to lose. Nuff said really.

You just know it's going to come down to week 17.

If we're lucky, the Skins could play spoiler...IF

Dudes. Really? You've seen the Redskins play this year, right?


consoleation.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-12-04 01:03:30 PM  

Primitive Screwhead: robsul82: Primitive Screwhead: Jason Whitlock can suck my ass.

Why, what'd he say.

On PTI he spewed out : "The Seahawks have peaked too early. They have played their best football game" and then proceeded to go on about how they will now slide into being a losing team.
Mr. Whitlock also threw in "They can't win in the playoffs with Russell Wilson as quarterback"


Huh.  That is odd, lol.  I mean, I guess you could go with the "team that looks unstoppable prior to the playoffs hasn't won in years" idea, but that's different than "Wilson can't win in the playoffs."

/DVRs ATH and PTI
//they're my two bloviating head shows, leave me alone, lol
 
2013-12-04 01:10:09 PM  

Primitive Screwhead: "They can't win in the playoffs with Russell Wilson as quarterback"


As long as you ignore the times when they win, they're winless. Fun fact: The Seahawks haven't played a home game in two years, apparently, either.

Primitive Screwhead: On PTI he spewed out : "The Seahawks have peaked too early. They have played their best football game"


Oh, how the NFL wishes they'd played their best game. Last I checked, we allowed the Saints to score thanks to some dumb penalties, including an offsides on 3rd down that kept the drive alive. And we didn't even score on every drive. And we still didn't even use Harvin. Hell, Lynch didn't even really get going.
 
2013-12-04 01:56:33 PM  

IAmRight: Oh, how the NFL wishes they'd played their best game. Last I checked, we allowed the Saints to score thanks to some dumb penalties, including an offsides on 3rd down that kept the drive alive. And we didn't even score on every drive. And we still didn't even use Harvin. Hell, Lynch didn't even really get going.


Lynch was held to 2.8 YPC.

Only scored 7 points in the 2nd half.

Only forced one turnover.

Backup defense played last couple of drives.

Won by 27 points.
 
2013-12-04 02:46:04 PM  

robsul82: I guess you could go with the "team that looks unstoppable prior to the playoffs hasn't won in years" idea


Which is a valid take I'm OK with and a fact I'm a little wary about but his take was basically "They blew their wad. Game Over"

IAmRight: As long as you ignore the times when they win, they're winless. Fun fact: The Seahawks haven't played a home game in two years, apparently, either.


According to some talking heads, the Seahawks went 0-2 in last years playoffs ;)
 
2013-12-04 05:16:07 PM  
lol to everyone who thinks Saints are above Patriots. L O farking L
 
2013-12-04 05:17:09 PM  

irishman4: lol to everyone who thinks Saints are above Patriots. L O farking L


Hey, post that picture again of the girl with the rubber neck wearing a Pats jersey.
 
2013-12-04 05:21:14 PM  

Di Atribe: irishman4: lol to everyone who thinks Saints are above Patriots. L O farking L

Hey, post that picture again of the girl with the rubber neck wearing a Pats jersey.


assets.nydailynews.com
 
2013-12-04 05:22:03 PM  

Di Atribe: irishman4: lol to everyone who thinks Saints are above Patriots. L O farking L

Hey, post that picture again of the girl with the rubber neck wearing a Pats jersey.


oops forgot to paste second one
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2013-12-04 09:12:30 PM  

Primitive Screwhead: robsul82: Primitive Screwhead: Jason Whitlock can suck my ass.

Why, what'd he say.

On PTI he spewed out : "The Seahawks have peaked too early. They have played their best football game" and then proceeded to go on about how they will now slide into being a losing team.
Mr. Whitlock also threw in "They can't win in the playoffs with Russell Wilson as quarterback"



What is stupid about the Seahawks are 1 for 2 in the playoffs with Russell Wilson as quarterback, so this statement is demonstrably false.

Also, how exactly do you "peak" in football? If the Seahawks have peaked too early, then I guess so have the.... Chiefs, Bronco's, Panthers, Saints, and Patriots. By this guys logic we should just give the trophy to the Lions right now since they are probably the best team that hasn't discernably peaked yet this season.
 
2013-12-04 11:33:23 PM  

irishman4: Di Atribe: irishman4: lol to everyone who thinks Saints are above Patriots. L O farking L

Hey, post that picture again of the girl with the rubber neck wearing a Pats jersey.

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I'm not sure if that Saint is trying to Dragon Punch or Tiger Uppercut the ball; looks like the latter.

robsul82: Primitive Screwhead: robsul82: Primitive Screwhead: Jason Whitlock can suck my ass.

Why, what'd he say.

On PTI he spewed out : "The Seahawks have peaked too early. They have played their best football game" and then proceeded to go on about how they will now slide into being a losing team.
Mr. Whitlock also threw in "They can't win in the playoffs with Russell Wilson as quarterback"

Huh.  That is odd, lol.  I mean, I guess you could go with the "team that looks unstoppable prior to the playoffs hasn't won in years" idea, but that's different than "Wilson can't win in the playoffs."

/DVRs ATH and PTI
//they're my two bloviating head shows, leave me alone, lol


I love the pontificating that goes on with ATH & PTI.  Kornheiser and Mike have been frothing for Seattle all year.  I'm betting Mike wasn't there because they would have been agreeing too much.  Whitlock is trying to troll, but Tony agreeing with him caught me off guard.  I was surprised how much gushing for the Hawks Bob Page did on that show.

/I love the enthusiasm of Bob Page, Bomani Jones, Woody Paige and Jackie McMullan on ATH
 
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