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2013-12-03 03:42:35 PM

Rent Party: In fact, given his size and speed, Wilson and Newton are exactly the same kind of QB, except one is bigger and more accomplished.


Wilson also won RoY honors (depending on publication), but that's tougher to do when you come to the NFL in the best year for QBs in at least a decade.

Cam Newton finishes about 16th in the league in QBR, DVOA, and DYAR every year (actual range: 14-18). Russell Wilson is in the top 10 every year.

Cam Newton has never thrown for as many TDs as Russell Wilson has in his worst year. Russell Wilson has never thrown as many INTs as Cam Newton in Newton's best year. There are NO measures (except maybe passing yards, which would just be silly) by which Newton is better than Wilson.
 
2013-12-03 03:42:58 PM

Shame Us: Di Atribe: rickythepenguin: when your boy had that pill issue.

My boy? Which one?

I think he means when Favre was addicted to Tylenol.


LOL Tylenol addiction: just like being addicted to air.

Just so we're clear here, Favre was never my boy, especially after he left the Packers.
 
2013-12-03 03:43:52 PM

Shame Us: LucklessWonder: And let's go old school with Redskin QB injuries...
[www.draftpartyblog.com image 259x195]

WHY? DUDE. NO. STOP. UNCOOL


THIS GOD WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU
 
2013-12-03 03:44:15 PM

Di Atribe: My boy? Which one?



Brent.  disclosed an addiction to Vicodin i think the year or so before their first SB win.  i dimly recall the constant "AND HE OVERCAME AN ADDICTION TO PILLS!!" uttered every other sentence in the then-burgeoning hagiography of your boy.


good god.  did i just say "burgeoning hagiography"?  what am i, dennis miller, george f farking hell will, over here?
 
2013-12-03 03:46:12 PM
Shame Us:That game, more than just about any Week 1 game I can remember, really showed what the core of each team was. Stout defense with the Seahawks being just that much better in the end. I said from that game that the Panthers were legit this year and no team should take a game against them for granted. I assumed they'd end up 9-7 or something, but they really turned it on.

Both teams were competitive in that affair.  Both of them still are and it would be interesting for both to meet in the NFC Championship...again.  I think the Panthers are tougher than the Saints, but we won't know that for sure until next week.  Newton and Wilson are both awesome to watch, even in clutch situations.
 
2013-12-03 03:46:28 PM

rickythepenguin: Di Atribe: My boy? Which one?


Brent.  disclosed an addiction to Vicodin i think the year or so before their first SB win.  i dimly recall the constant "AND HE OVERCAME AN ADDICTION TO PILLS!!" uttered every other sentence in the then-burgeoning hagiography of your boy.


good god.  did i just say "burgeoning hagiography"?  what am i, dennis miller, george f farking hell will, over here?


It was Tylenol with codeine. But I like to leave that last part out.
 
2013-12-03 03:47:11 PM

Rwa2play: IAmRight: Clash City Farker: Only Best Manning can beat Brady

I would think the best Manning would be the one that can make the playoffs every year.

Best Manning has two rings; last time I checked Peyton's only got one to his name.


This is not the year to try to convince people that Eli is as good as Peyton, let alone better than him.
 
2013-12-03 03:49:19 PM

meanmutton: Rwa2play: IAmRight: Clash City Farker: Only Best Manning can beat Brady

I would think the best Manning would be the one that can make the playoffs every year.

Best Manning has two rings; last time I checked Peyton's only got one to his name.

This is not the year to try to convince people that Eli is as good as Peyton, let alone better than him.


Eli has improved pretty significantly lately. Improved from "god awful" to "not actively trying to lose" but that's still an improvement.
 
2013-12-03 03:51:06 PM
Hey Hey Tampa Bay

Hope we lose enough to show Schiano the door. A loss at home against the Bills this week would help.
 
2013-12-03 03:51:08 PM

Di Atribe: nmrsnr: Di Atribe: GRAF

I'm trying to think of any other year we've seen TWO spectacular plunges like the Falcons and Texans. Those lines are amazing.

I can't think of a year when we've seen even ONE spectacular plunge like those two. I mean, that is some magnificent shiat right there.


I've not seen a graph like that since the Enron bust.
There's bottoming out and then there's the pavement ripping the exhaust system off the car.

/this happened to my mom last December in a construction zone
 
2013-12-03 03:51:19 PM

Di Atribe: I can't think of a year when we've seen even ONE spectacular plunge like those two. I mean, that is some magnificent shiat right there.


Last years Eagles did a fine job:

img.fark.net

NOTE: THIS IS NOT THE CURRENT GRAF
/don't want people to get confused.
 
2013-12-03 03:52:47 PM
Damn that is a sexy green line.
 
2013-12-03 03:55:35 PM

Shame Us: Rent Party: JusticeandIndependence: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x832]

Good thing the Panther's front office didn't listen to "Fans" during the 1-3 start.  I'll take Cam over almost any QB in the league right now.

I am a huge Cam Newton fan and have been since his college days.   I get a bunch of grief for saying things like "I'd trade you Wilson for Newton right now, straight up."  I'm usually trolling when I do, but sometimes I mean it.

No trading Wilson. Not ever.


It's all sunsine and happy thoughts until Wilson's rookie contract is up and he starts asking for Flacco money.  The cap money has to come from somewhere.
 
2013-12-03 03:56:01 PM

Treygreen13: Eli has improved pretty significantly lately. Improved from "god awful" to "not actively trying to lose" but that's still an improvement.


I just realized that maybe NY fans think Eli's great because they're comparing him to Mark Sanchez, Greg McElroy, and Geno Smith. I mean, if all you have to do is be better than the Jets' QB, everyone's great!
 
2013-12-03 03:57:23 PM

Shame Us: rickythepenguin: Di Atribe: My boy? Which one?


Brent.  disclosed an addiction to Vicodin i think the year or so before their first SB win.  i dimly recall the constant "AND HE OVERCAME AN ADDICTION TO PILLS!!" uttered every other sentence in the then-burgeoning hagiography of your boy.


good god.  did i just say "burgeoning hagiography"?  what am i, dennis miller, george f farking hell will, over here?

It was Tylenol with codeine. But I like to leave that last part out.


Vicodin and beer- the Breakfast of Champions.
 
2013-12-03 03:58:41 PM

IAmRight: Cam Newton has never thrown for as many TDs as Russell Wilson has in his worst year. Russell Wilson has never thrown as many INTs as Cam Newton in Newton's best year. There are NO measures (except maybe passing yards, which would just be silly) by which Newton is better than Wilson.


You make it sound like they've been playing for years...

They have 5 years total combined experience in the NFL.  Give it a few years to see who is top notch.  Wilson has the nod for now, but so did this guy early on....

l.yimg.com
 
2013-12-03 03:59:36 PM

IAmRight: Treygreen13: Eli has improved pretty significantly lately. Improved from "god awful" to "not actively trying to lose" but that's still an improvement.

I just realized that maybe NY fans think Eli's great because they're comparing him to Mark Sanchez, Greg McElroy, and Geno Smith. I mean, if all you have to do is be better than the Jets' QB, everyone's great!


Don't forget the state also has that Toronto team
 
2013-12-03 03:59:37 PM

FuManchu7: The cap money has to come from somewhere.


Well, the next guys (Sherman, Thomas) are getting paid from what they're not going to be giving Rice/Miller next year. Then, Wilson's really the only other essential guy. If Harvin gets hurt again, they can release him and have plenty of space (which is why he's making a ton this year). Otherwise they'll have to continue to get other guys on the cheap. but really, Sherman, Thomas, and Wilson are the only guys that aren't replaceable.

/though I don't want to have to replace a lot of them
//pretty sure we're going to lose Tate after this year
 
2013-12-03 03:59:38 PM
FuManchu7:
It's all sunsine and happy thoughts until Wilson's rookie contract is up and he starts asking for Flacco money.  The cap money has to come from somewhere.

He will ask for, and receive, a renegotiation at the end of next year.   I think that is what the new rookie contract structure allows.

And he'll deserve it.
 
2013-12-03 03:59:40 PM

IAmRight: Treygreen13: Eli has improved pretty significantly lately. Improved from "god awful" to "not actively trying to lose" but that's still an improvement.

I just realized that maybe NY fans think Eli's great because they're comparing him to Mark Sanchez, Greg McElroy, and Geno Smith. I mean, if all you have to do is be better than the Jets' QB, everyone's great!


Well arguably the most famous and beloved New York quarterback of all time actually threw more 47 more INTs than TDs in his career on his way to being enshrined in Canton. So the bar is pretty low.
 
2013-12-03 03:59:40 PM

ShadowKamui: If they played either Atl or NYG at home they would have a shot, on the road no way in hell


Home field doesn't really matter when all teams involved are that bad, whoever shoots themselves in the foot the least will win the game, sadly I think all teams involved are out buying ammunition right now.

Shanihanigans probably needs the wins the most to keep his job (although Coughlin is a yearly hot seat candidate).
 
2013-12-03 04:00:16 PM

thecpt: IAmRight: Treygreen13: Eli has improved pretty significantly lately. Improved from "god awful" to "not actively trying to lose" but that's still an improvement.

I just realized that maybe NY fans think Eli's great because they're comparing him to Mark Sanchez, Greg McElroy, and Geno Smith. I mean, if all you have to do is be better than the Jets' QB, everyone's great!

Don't forget the state also has that Toronto team


OH right, who could forget EJ Manuel?!
 
2013-12-03 04:00:40 PM

JusticeandIndependence: IAmRight: Cam Newton has never thrown for as many TDs as Russell Wilson has in his worst year. Russell Wilson has never thrown as many INTs as Cam Newton in Newton's best year. There are NO measures (except maybe passing yards, which would just be silly) by which Newton is better than Wilson.

You make it sound like they've been playing for years...

They have 5 years total combined experience in the NFL.  Give it a few years to see who is top notch.  Wilson has the nod for now, but so did this guy early on....

[l.yimg.com image 600x782]


Geez, bring a bigger picture next time
 
2013-12-03 04:00:41 PM

Devo: Hey Hey Tampa Bay

Hope we lose enough to show Schiano the door. A loss at home against the Bills this week would help.


He could win out and will still be fired.  A playoff win was the only thing that could have saved his job after the Freeman debacle
 
2013-12-03 04:03:33 PM

Di Atribe: JusticeandIndependence: IAmRight: Cam Newton has never thrown for as many TDs as Russell Wilson has in his worst year. Russell Wilson has never thrown as many INTs as Cam Newton in Newton's best year. There are NO measures (except maybe passing yards, which would just be silly) by which Newton is better than Wilson.

You make it sound like they've been playing for years...

They have 5 years total combined experience in the NFL.  Give it a few years to see who is top notch.  Wilson has the nod for now, but so did this guy early on....

[l.yimg.com image 600x782]

Geez, bring a bigger picture next time


That EYE was too good to miss
 
2013-12-03 04:04:21 PM

JusticeandIndependence: That EYE was too good to miss


LOL.... it's like I'm laughing, but I'm going to have nightmares. So conflicted.
 
2013-12-03 04:05:02 PM

JusticeandIndependence: They have 5 years total combined experience in the NFL.  Give it a few years to see who is top notch.  Wilson has the nod for now, but so did this guy early on....


Sam Bradford has never done anything on the level of either Newton or Wilson.

Though:

Bradford: 49 games, 58.6% completions, 59 TD, 38 INT
Newton: 44 games, 59.6% completions, 59 TD, 40 INT
Wilson: 28 games, 64.5% completions, 48 TD, 16 INT

/Bradford lags way behind both on yards/attempt and basically everything else
//not as much as Newton lags behind Wilson
 
2013-12-03 04:05:12 PM

IAmRight: FuManchu7: The cap money has to come from somewhere.

Well, the next guys (Sherman, Thomas) are getting paid from what they're not going to be giving Rice/Miller next year. Then, Wilson's really the only other essential guy. If Harvin gets hurt again, they can release him and have plenty of space (which is why he's making a ton this year). Otherwise they'll have to continue to get other guys on the cheap. but really, Sherman, Thomas, and Wilson are the only guys that aren't replaceable.

/though I don't want to have to replace a lot of them
//pretty sure we're going to lose Tate after this year


It sounds doable, but it's a problem the Saints currently have (and the Ravens are experiencing).  You tie up 1/3 of your cap in one player.  It's hard getting good value out of the other 52 roster spots.  The Saints were milking Graham's rookie contract, but will probably have to franchise him because they don't have the room for what he will expect.
 
2013-12-03 04:05:57 PM

FuManchu7: Shame Us: Rent Party: JusticeandIndependence: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x832]

Good thing the Panther's front office didn't listen to "Fans" during the 1-3 start.  I'll take Cam over almost any QB in the league right now.

I am a huge Cam Newton fan and have been since his college days.   I get a bunch of grief for saying things like "I'd trade you Wilson for Newton right now, straight up."  I'm usually trolling when I do, but sometimes I mean it.

No trading Wilson. Not ever.

It's all sunsine and happy thoughts until Wilson's rookie contract is up and he starts asking for Flacco money.  The cap money has to come from somewhere.


Yeah. The Hawks are set up pretty well there actually. Wont pay browner, Zach Miller an Rice will be off the books after this season or at least at FAAAARRRR reduced salary if they stay. Those alone free up over $20mil in cap space. More than likely, Clemons will be gone and maybe Avril/Bennett. Another $15-20 mil. Hell, Lynch is probably gone after his deal runs out too.
 
2013-12-03 04:07:59 PM

FuManchu7: It sounds doable, but it's a problem the Saints currently have (and the Ravens are experiencing).  You tie up 1/3 of your cap in one player.


Well, 1/6, but yeah, I'm well aware. As I was watching the game, I couldn't fully enjoy it because I kept thinking "f*ck, I wish we could keep this team. I hate the salary cap."

/but yeah, Lynch is gone after this contract. Michael's probably jumping Turbin for starter though.
 
2013-12-03 04:08:07 PM

IAmRight: JusticeandIndependence: They have 5 years total combined experience in the NFL.  Give it a few years to see who is top notch.  Wilson has the nod for now, but so did this guy early on....

Sam Bradford has never done anything on the level of either Newton or Wilson.

Though:

Bradford: 49 games, 58.6% completions, 59 TD, 38 INT
Newton: 44 games, 59.6% completions, 59 TD, 40 INT
Wilson: 28 games, 64.5% completions, 48 TD, 16 INT

/Bradford lags way behind both on yards/attempt and basically everything else
//not as much as Newton lags behind Wilson


ROY was the comparrison I was making.  Bradford was the next big QB for the NFL that year.

Cam has more yards rushing and passing than Wilson.  My point is it's wayyyyy to early to tell who is a better long term QB right now.
 
2013-12-03 04:08:10 PM

FuManchu7: IAmRight: FuManchu7: The cap money has to come from somewhere.

Well, the next guys (Sherman, Thomas) are getting paid from what they're not going to be giving Rice/Miller next year. Then, Wilson's really the only other essential guy. If Harvin gets hurt again, they can release him and have plenty of space (which is why he's making a ton this year). Otherwise they'll have to continue to get other guys on the cheap. but really, Sherman, Thomas, and Wilson are the only guys that aren't replaceable.

/though I don't want to have to replace a lot of them
//pretty sure we're going to lose Tate after this year

It sounds doable, but it's a problem the Saints currently have (and the Ravens are experiencing).  You tie up 1/3 of your cap in one player.  It's hard getting good value out of the other 52 roster spots.  The Saints were milking Graham's rookie contract, but will probably have to franchise him because they don't have the room for what he will expect.


The cap is arounbd $130mil. No one is making that kind of money to be a $40mil hit. I think Brees got $39mil one year, but his cap hit was less than that.
 
2013-12-03 04:08:46 PM

Treygreen13: Sorry guys, no trivia this week. I spent the day preparing for my court case. Ended up challenging and winning against a red light camera ticket. [i291.photobucket.com image 850x937] Go fark yourself, American Traffic Solutions. Fark yourself right in the ear. I told you that you wouldn't get a dime from me and I was right.


img.fark.net

 
2013-12-03 04:09:01 PM

JusticeandIndependence: IAmRight: Cam Newton has never thrown for as many TDs as Russell Wilson has in his worst year. Russell Wilson has never thrown as many INTs as Cam Newton in Newton's best year. There are NO measures (except maybe passing yards, which would just be silly) by which Newton is better than Wilson.

You make it sound like they've been playing for years...

They have 5 years total combined experience in the NFL.  Give it a few years to see who is top notch.  Wilson has the nod for now, but so did this guy early on....

[l.yimg.com image 600x782]


Jesus, it's.... it's.... it's eating my soul!
 
2013-12-03 04:12:14 PM

IAmRight: FuManchu7: It sounds doable, but it's a problem the Saints currently have (and the Ravens are experiencing).  You tie up 1/3 of your cap in one player.

Well, 1/6, but yeah, I'm well aware. As I was watching the game, I couldn't fully enjoy it because I kept thinking "f*ck, I wish we could keep this team. I hate the salary cap."

/but yeah, Lynch is gone after this contract. Michael's probably jumping Turbin for starter though.


Wilson will probably get something like a 6 year $130mil deal or something along those lines. Around $22mil per year or so I'd bet. That hit his first year will be less than $10mil though. The cap crisis is not nearly as bad as people think it is. Thomas and Okung are already PAID from their rookie deals, they won't be adding a ton above what their cap hit already is. Sherman and Wilson are the only guys due to get huge raises. Thurmond and Tate will probably get healthy deals if kept and Baldwin will be behind them. Rice, Miller, Browner, Clemons, Bryant and/or Mebane & Giacomini are probably all gone soon.
 
2013-12-03 04:15:07 PM

JusticeandIndependence: ROY was the comparrison I was making.  Bradford was the next big QB for the NFL that year.


Yeah, Bradford, like Newton, was ROY in a weak rookie crop.

Oh, and passing yards don't really count for dick. Count passing yards per play or adjusted passing yards, and Wilson CRUSHES the other two in both.

/efficiency stats > volume stats
 
2013-12-03 04:17:05 PM
Sea-HAWKS!!!
 
2013-12-03 04:19:20 PM

Incorrigible Astronaut: Alright, three losses by 20 points are out of the way. Time to get this sh*t back on track.

[img.fark.net image 640x640]


THIS! THIS! So much more, THIS!
 
2013-12-03 04:19:25 PM

Shame Us: FuManchu7: IAmRight: FuManchu7: The cap money has to come from somewhere.

Well, the next guys (Sherman, Thomas) are getting paid from what they're not going to be giving Rice/Miller next year. Then, Wilson's really the only other essential guy. If Harvin gets hurt again, they can release him and have plenty of space (which is why he's making a ton this year). Otherwise they'll have to continue to get other guys on the cheap. but really, Sherman, Thomas, and Wilson are the only guys that aren't replaceable.

/though I don't want to have to replace a lot of them
//pretty sure we're going to lose Tate after this year

It sounds doable, but it's a problem the Saints currently have (and the Ravens are experiencing).  You tie up 1/3 of your cap in one player.  It's hard getting good value out of the other 52 roster spots.  The Saints were milking Graham's rookie contract, but will probably have to franchise him because they don't have the room for what he will expect.

The cap is arounbd $130mil. No one is making that kind of money to be a $40mil hit. I think Brees got $39mil one year, but his cap hit was less than that.


My bad.  I remember an article that had Brees at 1/3 the cap.  It's closer to 1/6.  It's still dang restrictive to tie up that much in one player.
 
2013-12-03 04:22:34 PM

FuManchu7: Shame Us: FuManchu7: IAmRight: FuManchu7: The cap money has to come from somewhere.

Well, the next guys (Sherman, Thomas) are getting paid from what they're not going to be giving Rice/Miller next year. Then, Wilson's really the only other essential guy. If Harvin gets hurt again, they can release him and have plenty of space (which is why he's making a ton this year). Otherwise they'll have to continue to get other guys on the cheap. but really, Sherman, Thomas, and Wilson are the only guys that aren't replaceable.

/though I don't want to have to replace a lot of them
//pretty sure we're going to lose Tate after this year

It sounds doable, but it's a problem the Saints currently have (and the Ravens are experiencing).  You tie up 1/3 of your cap in one player.  It's hard getting good value out of the other 52 roster spots.  The Saints were milking Graham's rookie contract, but will probably have to franchise him because they don't have the room for what he will expect.

The cap is arounbd $130mil. No one is making that kind of money to be a $40mil hit. I think Brees got $39mil one year, but his cap hit was less than that.

My bad.  I remember an article that had Brees at 1/3 the cap.  It's closer to 1/6.  It's still dang restrictive to tie up that much in one player.


It is, but if you think about who the Hawks would be without Wilson or who the Saints would be without Brees, it makes sense to break the bank a bit.
 
2013-12-03 04:24:06 PM

IAmRight: JusticeandIndependence: ROY was the comparrison I was making.  Bradford was the next big QB for the NFL that year.

Yeah, Bradford, like Newton, was ROY in a weak rookie crop.

Oh, and passing yards don't really count for dick. Count passing yards per play or adjusted passing yards, and Wilson CRUSHES the other two in both.

/efficiency stats > volume stats


Missed my point again.  that's fine.

WILSON IS THE BETTER QB RIGHT NOW.  Is that better?

Food for thought....
Newton rushing TD's first two years - 62, yards rushing - 1,447
Wilson rushing TD's first two years - 53, yards rushing - 945


I'm just saying it's closer than you believe who is better for their team.  I would argue that Newton has more influence in the game stats than Wilson.  Wilson is the better leader overall but has The Beast on his team.
 
2013-12-03 04:26:38 PM

IAmRight: Rent Party: In fact, given his size and speed, Wilson and Newton are exactly the same kind of QB, except one is bigger and more accomplished.

Wilson also won RoY honors (depending on publication), but that's tougher to do when you come to the NFL in the best year for QBs in at least a decade.

Cam Newton finishes about 16th in the league in QBR, DVOA, and DYAR every year (actual range: 14-18). Russell Wilson is in the top 10 every year.

Cam Newton has never thrown for as many TDs as Russell Wilson has in his worst year. Russell Wilson has never thrown as many INTs as Cam Newton in Newton's best year. There are NO measures (except maybe passing yards, which would just be silly) by which Newton is better than Wilson.


I hate to jump into any argument involving Seahawks fans, especially you and Shame Us, but why are you repeatedly saying "every year" for Wilson? Are you including college in your rankings? If not, hasn't Wilson had just one year?
 
2013-12-03 04:27:04 PM

JusticeandIndependence: IAmRight: JusticeandIndependence: ROY was the comparrison I was making.  Bradford was the next big QB for the NFL that year.

Yeah, Bradford, like Newton, was ROY in a weak rookie crop.

Oh, and passing yards don't really count for dick. Count passing yards per play or adjusted passing yards, and Wilson CRUSHES the other two in both.

/efficiency stats > volume stats

Missed my point again.  that's fine.

WILSON IS THE BETTER QB RIGHT NOW.  Is that better?

Food for thought....
Newton rushing TD's first two years - 62, yards rushing - 1,447
Wilson rushing TD's first two years - 53, yards rushing - 945


I'm just saying it's closer than you believe who is better for their team.  I would argue that Newton has more influence in the game stats than Wilson.  Wilson is the better leader overall but has The Beast on his team.


Those numbers can't be right. 62 & 53 rushing TDs? huh?
 
2013-12-03 04:27:48 PM

skrame: IAmRight: Rent Party: In fact, given his size and speed, Wilson and Newton are exactly the same kind of QB, except one is bigger and more accomplished.

Wilson also won RoY honors (depending on publication), but that's tougher to do when you come to the NFL in the best year for QBs in at least a decade.

Cam Newton finishes about 16th in the league in QBR, DVOA, and DYAR every year (actual range: 14-18). Russell Wilson is in the top 10 every year.

Cam Newton has never thrown for as many TDs as Russell Wilson has in his worst year. Russell Wilson has never thrown as many INTs as Cam Newton in Newton's best year. There are NO measures (except maybe passing yards, which would just be silly) by which Newton is better than Wilson.

I hate to jump into any argument involving Seahawks fans, especially you and Shame Us, but why are you repeatedly saying "every year" for Wilson? Are you including college in your rankings? If not, hasn't Wilson had just one year?


He's in the top 10 this year too. Small sample size for both, though.
 
2013-12-03 04:28:33 PM
Hell, if you look at classic stats like Passer Rating, Wilson is 2nd in the league behind Manning (3rd if you include Foles).
 
2013-12-03 04:29:29 PM

Shame Us: JusticeandIndependence: IAmRight: JusticeandIndependence: ROY was the comparrison I was making.  Bradford was the next big QB for the NFL that year.

Yeah, Bradford, like Newton, was ROY in a weak rookie crop.

Oh, and passing yards don't really count for dick. Count passing yards per play or adjusted passing yards, and Wilson CRUSHES the other two in both.

/efficiency stats > volume stats

Missed my point again.  that's fine.

WILSON IS THE BETTER QB RIGHT NOW.  Is that better?

Food for thought....
Newton rushing TD's first two years - 62, yards rushing - 1,447
Wilson rushing TD's first two years - 53, yards rushing - 945


I'm just saying it's closer than you believe who is better for their team.  I would argue that Newton has more influence in the game stats than Wilson.  Wilson is the better leader overall but has The Beast on his team.

Those numbers can't be right. 62 & 53 rushing TDs? huh?


Sorry wrong column.

Cam has 22
Wilson has 5
 
2013-12-03 04:29:44 PM
JusticeandIndependence:That EYE was too good to miss

It's like the photographer caught him mid-psychotic twitch

Di Atribe: LOL.... it's like I'm laughing, but I'm going to have nightmares. So conflicted.

Likewise...my soul is crying with both joy and fear from that picture.
 
2013-12-03 04:30:21 PM

JusticeandIndependence: WILSON IS THE BETTER QB RIGHT NOW.  Is that better?


Wilson is, and always has been the better QB, and there's zero reason to believe that Newton will ever be better than Wilson. This is all based on a response to a nut of a Seattle fan who thinks sometimes that he'd trade Wilson for Newton, which would be ludicrous.

Now, Cam Newton's okay. I'm certainly fine with Panthers fans being happy with him, and I've spent a lot of the year (especially early on) pointing out that beating Carolina in Carolina IS something to be proud of, because they're a legitimate team. But saying you'd trade Wilson for Newton at this point is nuts.

/you'll notice that as Newton throws fewer passes and runs less, the Panthers win more
//the Panthers have three good RBs that they weren't even using because it all had to be about Newton early on
 
2013-12-03 04:32:27 PM

JusticeandIndependence: Shame Us: JusticeandIndependence: IAmRight: JusticeandIndependence: ROY was the comparrison I was making.  Bradford was the next big QB for the NFL that year.

Yeah, Bradford, like Newton, was ROY in a weak rookie crop.

Oh, and passing yards don't really count for dick. Count passing yards per play or adjusted passing yards, and Wilson CRUSHES the other two in both.

/efficiency stats > volume stats

Missed my point again.  that's fine.

WILSON IS THE BETTER QB RIGHT NOW.  Is that better?

Food for thought....
Newton rushing TD's first two years - 62, yards rushing - 1,447
Wilson rushing TD's first two years - 53, yards rushing - 945


I'm just saying it's closer than you believe who is better for their team.  I would argue that Newton has more influence in the game stats than Wilson.  Wilson is the better leader overall but has The Beast on his team.

Those numbers can't be right. 62 & 53 rushing TDs? huh?

Sorry wrong column.

Cam has 22
Wilson has 5


Fair enough. No doubt that Cam's volume stats were aided by being on a shiattier team that needed him to do everything (which is debatable, since HEY look what happens when you stop pressing so much!). Wilson was playing with one arm behind his back before the Bears game last season because Bevell handcuffed him for no reason. Cam is good, maybe even great - Wilson is a better QB.
 
2013-12-03 04:32:33 PM

skrame: I hate to jump into any argument involving Seahawks fans, especially you and Shame Us, but why are you repeatedly saying "every year" for Wilson? Are you including college in your rankings? If not, hasn't Wilson had just one year?


Hey, I'm including this year. Wilson has 22 TDs; Newton's never thrown 22 TD passes in a season. Similarly, Newton already has 11 INTs, more than Wilson's 10 from last year.
 
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