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(Detroit Free Press)   Detroit-area woman who immigrated illegally from Albania in 2000, who has since married and has three kids, given 24 hour notice to report for deportation. Come for the outrageous tears, stay for the "Thanks, Obama"   (freep.com) divider line 243
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2013-12-03 12:30:56 PM
Wait. I thought being married to an American Citizen automatically granted citizenship.
 
2013-12-03 12:56:47 PM

hardinparamedic: Wait. I thought being married to an American Citizen automatically granted citizenship.


Seriously?

Of course it doesn't.

I hate to sound insensitive, but I can't help but think, "I wonder how newsworthy this would be if she wasn't a hot blonde chick."
 
2013-12-03 12:59:18 PM

hardinparamedic: Wait. I thought being married to an American Citizen automatically granted citizenship.


FTA: While living in the U.S. illegally, she got married and raised a family. She worked at various restaurants in the kitchen.

Maybe that's why.  Still a pretty jacked up thing to do, but if she was married while being here illegally, that could be the reason.
 
2013-12-03 01:00:14 PM
This article is a great example of bad writing about immigration issues:   "Upon arrival, she turned herself into authorities and sought asylum.While living in the U.S. illegally, she got married and raised a family."

By definition, she was  notliving illegally. She entered the country without permission, but then immediately turned herself into authorities and filed for asylum, which is exactly what we encourage people to do! At that point,  she was living in the country legally.What she didn't have was  permanent status. She was working legally, she was taking part in the legal economy, and she was allowed to stay until the final adjudication of her claim. That said, if her Particular Social Group she was claiming was "young, attractive women," no wonder she lost. That's a pretty bad PSG to try to get asylum on. Though I'm presuming she tried on a number of other theories as well, that's just the only one that made it to the appellate stage or that the reporter mentioned.

At that point, when she lost in 2008, she was placed on a final order of removal and essentially allowed to stay by the local ICE office. This is actually quite common, especially in a circumstance like this where she had a family and kids in the United States and there was  clearly no good reason to deport her. But throughout that whole time, again, she was  living here legally. And then five years later, out of nowhere, ICE decided to deport her back to Albania, which seems pretty damn indefensible considering that they could have let the status quo continue.

hardinparamedic: Wait. I thought being married to an American Citizen automatically granted citizenship.


Sadly it's not that easy. Being married to a American Citizen  can provide a basis for adjustment to legal permanent residence status (otherwise knowing as getting a Green Card). But usually you have to get that status through filing an application at the U.S. embassy in your home country, not when you're already in the United States. And for this woman, the process will be even more complicated because she has already tried to gain permanent status through the asylum process, but lost there, which has an effect on whether she can receive other forms of status.

She will likely be able to get legal residence through her husband  eventually, but there may be a years-long delay under the law before she can apply, during which time she will not be allowed to reenter the country.
 
2013-12-03 01:09:07 PM

Rincewind53: This article is a great example of bad writing about immigration issues:   "Upon arrival, she turned herself into authorities and sought asylum.While living in the U.S. illegally, she got married and raised a family."

By definition, she was  notliving illegally. She entered the country without permission, but then immediately turned herself into authorities and filed for asylum, which is exactly what we encourage people to do! At that point,  she was living in the country legally.What she didn't have was  permanent status. She was working legally, she was taking part in the legal economy, and she was allowed to stay until the final adjudication of her claim. That said, if her Particular Social Group she was claiming was "young, attractive women," no wonder she lost. That's a pretty bad PSG to try to get asylum on. Though I'm presuming she tried on a number of other theories as well, that's just the only one that made it to the appellate stage or that the reporter mentioned.


Well, as I understand immigration law (which is admittedly not very well), the act of entry into the US (or the act of remaining past your deadline if you enter legally on, say, a student visa) is what is actually illegal. Being physically present in the US without lawful authority is not an offense; what gets you deported is the initial act of illegally coming here or remaining here.
 
2013-12-03 01:16:33 PM
She went from Albania to Detroit?!?

I think we found the very definition of sadomasochistic.


Rincewind53: she was living in the country legally


ah no

But despite her appeal for asylum, an immigration judge denied her request, concluding her testimony about fearing prostitution and crime lacked credibility. And even if it was credible, the judge held, she wasn't entitled to asylum because "young, attractive women are not a social group for asylum." In 2008, the U.S. 6th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld that decision.

She was never issued a visa, or a work permit.


First she should have said she was gay. If that didn't work she should have applied for a continuing education visa! It gets you residency status plus you can work as long as you work in a field that has something thing to do with your educational background. And the field is very very broad. If you have an english or classics degree you can be anything from a secretary, filing clerk or a computer engineer. Just as long as the job title is listed under that degree.
 
2013-12-03 01:18:07 PM

hardinparamedic: Wait. I thought being married to an American Citizen automatically granted citizenship.


No, it gets you to the front of the line for a green card, though, so long as you are otherwise eligible.  If you aren't here legally to begin with, you are not otherwise eligible.
 
2013-12-03 01:18:57 PM
Having been to Albania, I don't blame her. I hope she gets to stay.
 
2013-12-03 01:20:18 PM
She's not Hatian or Mexican, so Fark will be out in full force to support her and rebuke those bad men down at the immigration office.
 
2013-12-03 01:20:45 PM
the update at the top says she ignored the order to gtfo, probably the best thing to do and then try to fight it instead of complying and trying to fight it after the fact.
 
2013-12-03 01:20:52 PM
Windsor, Canada?
 
2013-12-03 01:21:21 PM
She should have said she was Mexican.

Amnesty! Sike!

/thanks Obama! (Oblig)
 
2013-12-03 01:21:38 PM
I realize being a cook at a Coney Island in Detroit is the opportunity of a lifetime, but is there anything else preventing him from going to Albania with her?
 
2013-12-03 01:23:25 PM

p0nk: I realize being a cook at a Coney Island in Detroit is the opportunity of a lifetime, but is there anything else preventing him from going to Albania with her?


Yeah. His future second wife.
 
2013-12-03 01:23:33 PM
This is what the the family values party wants to do to millions.
 
2013-12-03 01:23:55 PM
If you don't get a green card by marrying an American Citizen, then you farked up the only way to automatically get a green card.....  How is that even possible to fark that up.
 
2013-12-03 01:23:58 PM
Hey, she's managed to stay out of trouble for 13 years in Detroit? Give her the Key to the City and honorary citizenship!

The only reason to keep anybody out of a free country is bad behaviour. She's worked, she's raised a family, she's behaved, she's in. Kick out a useless native-born American to even things out.

I suppose as a Canadian I don't get to start the nominations. Drat! But I'll be happy to throw out the first Canadian in sympathy.
 
2013-12-03 01:24:18 PM
"young, attractive women are not a social group for asylum."

Maybe I'm too uncaring and jaded, but that really does seem reasonable.
 
2013-12-03 01:24:28 PM
Should've moved to IL instead of MI, free license despite being illegal.
 
2013-12-03 01:24:38 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: She's not Hatian or Mexican, so Fark will be out in full force to support her and rebuke those bad men down at the immigration office.


It's the raging double standard that's troubling. Not the fact that she's being deported. Cherry picking which nationalities get blanket amnesty and whatever they say credibility is kinda ridiculous. I say deport all illegals regardless. I don't discriminate.
 
2013-12-03 01:24:39 PM
Difficulty: the first Canadian to throw out is not Mayor Rob Ford.
 
2013-12-03 01:25:00 PM

gilgigamesh: Well, as I understand immigration law (which is admittedly not very well), the act of entry into the US (or the act of remaining past your deadline if you enter legally on, say, a student visa) is what is actually illegal. Being physically present in the US without lawful authority is not an offense; what gets you deported is the initial act of illegally coming here or remaining here.


You're right on the first part and mostly right on the second. 8 U.S.C. §1325 makes it a misdemeanor to enter without authorization (cross the border without going through customs), though it's a felony if you've done it more than once. Once you're in the country without authorization, which can occur as you mentioned either by overstaying a visa (not a crime) or through illegal entry (a crime), you are then "unlawfully present" in the United States. Being unlawfully present is not a crime either; it's a legal status. If you are unlawfully present, the United States has the sovereign right to deport you, even though it is not a crime in the traditional sense.

That said, this woman wasn't even your typical illegal immigrant. She was an asylum seeker. She probably didn't know it (and why should she have), but she actually didn't even need to enter the country without authorization; she could have shown up at the border and simply told the immigration officer "I have a fear of returning to my home country," at which point she would have been entered into the asylum process and legally the United States could not have turned her away. Instead, she entered without authorization and  then turned herself over the authorities. Under immigration law, once you've expressed a subjective fear of returning to your country, the United States  cannot deport you until an immigration judge has determined whether the  subjective fear is  objectively reasonable (oversimplifying here).

Once she entered the asylum process, her continued presence in the country was entirely legal, as she went through the adjudication process. She was able to apply for a work authorization which allowed her to legally work her, she was potentially able to apply for some federal, state, and local benefits, and she was able to walk around with the knowledge that until her asylum case was finally determined, she could not be deported. She was, in essence, a  temporary legal resident, as opposed to having a green card to make herself a  permanent legal resident.

/currently representing an asylum seeker in a law school clinic.
 
2013-12-03 01:25:05 PM
FTFA: "the judge held, she wasn't entitled to asylum because "young, attractive women are not a social group for asylum.""

Judge should come by my house.
 
2013-12-03 01:26:11 PM

gilgigamesh: hardinparamedic: Wait. I thought being married to an American Citizen automatically granted citizenship.

Seriously?

Of course it doesn't.

I hate to sound insensitive, but I can't help but think, "I wonder how newsworthy this would be if she wasn't a hot blonde chick."


Except she's not a hot blonde chick. Look at the honker on her; she can hoover up anything on the floor.
 
2013-12-03 01:26:22 PM

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: DROxINxTHExWIND: She's not Hatian or Mexican, so Fark will be out in full force to support her and rebuke those bad men down at the immigration office.

It's the raging double standard that's troubling. Not the fact that she's being deported. Cherry picking which nationalities get blanket amnesty and whatever they say credibility is kinda ridiculous. I say deport all illegals regardless. I don't discriminate.



Who is picking Nationalities? You think the government is doing that?
 
WGJ
2013-12-03 01:26:48 PM
Send her back to Canada where she came from
 
2013-12-03 01:26:53 PM
sorry, I didnt get the memo, are we supposed to hate illegal immigrants or welcome them
or is it only of they are hot chicks?
I get confused about this stuff
 
2013-12-03 01:26:56 PM
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2013-12-03 01:28:18 PM

gilgigamesh: hardinparamedic: Wait. I thought being married to an American Citizen automatically granted citizenship.

Seriously?

Of course it doesn't.

I hate to sound insensitive, but I can't help but think, "I wonder how newsworthy this would be if she wasn't a hot blonde chick."


Just as newsworthy... Probably would have still MADE the news, too, but the story isn't "Hot Blonde Chick Gets Deported", it's that someone who has lived here and raised a family here got a whopping 24 hours notice that she was not only out of court dates, but that she was going to be deported. It's "newsworthy" no matter who it's about.
 
2013-12-03 01:28:18 PM
I've been to Tuscaloosa, Mobile, Montgomery, Talladega, etc...I can't blame her for wanting to leave.
 
2013-12-03 01:28:25 PM

brantgoose: Hey, she's managed to stay out of trouble for 13 years in Detroit? Give her the Key to the City and honorary citizenship!

The only reason to keep anybody out of a free country is bad behaviour. She's worked, she's raised a family, she's behaved, she's in. Kick out a useless native-born American to even things out.

I suppose as a Canadian I don't get to start the nominations. Drat! But I'll be happy to throw out the first Canadian in sympathy.


It seems to me that requesting political asylum was the wrong path to go in this case.
 
2013-12-03 01:28:30 PM
It's sad but it's not outrageous.  There are lots of other deserving people waiting in line to get citizenship.

Cile Precetaj of Troy was scheduled for deportation at 10:30 a.m. - an event she was given a day's notice of. But her husband told the Free Press this morning they decided to stay home and let U.S. immigration officials come and get her instead so they "can show the world the hardened criminals" immigration is going after.
 
Okay, now you lost sympathy.  The US let you stay here for 13 years while you pled your case to a wide variety of our courts.  You lost every single case.  You knew you were going to be deported for 5 years.  And now that the day has come, you're going to pretend you only had 24 hours notice and this country is horrible for what its doing?

Maybe I'm a bad person but I'm hoping the end to this is indeed immigration officials at her door with handcuffs if need be within the next few hours.
 
2013-12-03 01:28:30 PM
Someone in immigration got their "deserves to stay" and "needs to be deported" color swatches mixed up.

/That's how these things are decided, right?
 
2013-12-03 01:29:09 PM
Her biggest mistake was leaving Canada... They wouldn't do this kind of crap to her...
 
2013-12-03 01:29:22 PM
hey. I don't move to your shiathole country and start breeding and demanding free shait.

Don't do it here.
 
2013-12-03 01:29:25 PM
Albania? Sounds like she needs an immigration attorney with a very particular set of skills; skills he has acquired over a very long career. Skills that make him a nightmare for people like ICE.

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2013-12-03 01:29:49 PM

HotWingConspiracy: This is what the the family values party wants to do to millions.


Quick talking about the Democrats like that! They don't care about families!

But really, all jokes aside are you really going to blame the Rs for this one? Are they the party in power in Washington? Are they the party in power in Michigan? How about Detroit? Are the Rs the party in power in Detroit?

Don't you ever get tired of carrying that water?
 
2013-12-03 01:30:47 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: ah no


Wrong

The Stealth Hippopotamus: She was never issued a visa, or a work permit.


And also wrong.  She applied for asylum immediately after entering the country. She does not need to be given a visa at that point in order to be staying her legally. Staying legally means that the United States government cannot deport you, and under our asylum laws, after she applied for asylum it would have been illegal for the United States to deport her until she had a final order of removal against her at the end of the asylum process. In other words, she was here legally until she lost her asylum fight. At that point,Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) had a final order of removal against her, and could have used it to have her deported almost immediately. Instead, theyexercised their legal discretion and simply had her report to them once a month for the next five years. During that five years, because ICE had not told her to report for deportation, she was still living in the United States legally because ICE had not yet asked her to leave.

As to the work permit issue, USCIS is  required by law to grant work permits to asylum applicants after six months have gone by (oversimplifying again). While the article neither states in the positive or the negative whether she actually did get the work permit from USCIS (which, again, had to give her one), it's a bit absurd to presume that she wouldn't have taken advantage of being able to legally work in the United States when she had previously shown that was entirely willing to work within the law when she turned herself into immigration upon entering the country.
 
2013-12-03 01:30:47 PM
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pffft. amateur.
 
2013-12-03 01:31:07 PM
Okay, her first problem was trying to do it through legal means because INS (or whatever it is called now) is full of bastards. The sole purpose of that agency is to fark with people trying to do things the legal way, and turn a blind eye to people who never try to go through the horribly broken US immigration system.
 
2013-12-03 01:31:17 PM

HotWingConspiracy: This is what the the family values party wants to do to millions.


This is what the most liberal President who ever libbed a libberal libby lib lib has already done to millions.

This administration has administered more deportations than any administration in history.
 
2013-12-03 01:31:46 PM

hardinparamedic: Wait. I thought being married to an American Citizen automatically granted citizenship.


Is she really married or just "married"? When I went in for the marriage license and fees both my wife and I had to have our birth certificate, ID, and SS card to prove we were legal citizens.
 
2013-12-03 01:32:15 PM
But despite her appeal for asylum, an immigration judge denied her request, concluding her testimony about fearing prostitution and crime lacked credibility. And even if it was credible, the judge held, she wasn't entitled to asylum because "young, attractive women are not a social group for asylum." In 2008, the U.S. 6th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld that decision.

So she turned herself over to Immigration way back in 2000 and applied for asylum, which was denied in 2008.  sounds like she should have prepared herself for this event 5 years ago.
 
2013-12-03 01:32:27 PM
I wish they'd slosh those orders around in espanol. I see so many anchor babies in parts of Dallas you need a shovel to get them out of your way.
 
2013-12-03 01:32:42 PM
I'm sure the Conservatives will spin this had-working, tax-paying, decent living refugee mom into a welfare queen that is DESTROYING America.
 
2013-12-03 01:32:46 PM

Frothy Panties: Having been to Albania, Sucks to be her.

  I don't blame her. I hope she gets to stay.
 
2013-12-03 01:32:55 PM

hardinparamedic: Wait. I thought being married to an American Citizen automatically granted citizenship.


If by "automatic" you mean thousands in legal costs and months or years of waiting, then yes.

My wife is from Uruguay, and she was living here in the US under her father's diplomatic visa for almost ten years.  Her visa runs out, we decide to get married.  She has to go back home while we are applying for a fiance visa however, and it took 8 months for that to be approved.  Eight months of not knowing how long it would take or even if she would ever be allowed to move back here.  It was miserable and it was difficult as hell.  After that, she flies back here and we get married.  Then, we get to apply for a greencard.  Hooray.  Gets greencard, has to apply for "removal of conditional residence" or some such bullshiat.  We've been married now for over three years, and only now are we at the point where she is allowed to apply for citizenship.   Our case was relatively easy and clear cut, but we still had to jump through all sorts of hoops and pay a lot of money to make it happen.
 
2013-12-03 01:34:30 PM

Tenatra: hardinparamedic: Wait. I thought being married to an American Citizen automatically granted citizenship.

Is she really married or just "married"? When I went in for the marriage license and fees both my wife and I had to have our birth certificate, ID, and SS card to prove we were legal citizens.


What?  You can get married in the United States if you're not a citizen.

That's some weird local thing you had going on.
 
2013-12-03 01:35:24 PM

hardinparamedic: Wait. I thought being married to an American Citizen automatically granted citizenship.


You can apply for citizenship some years after residency combined with good behavior. It's fairly difficult for immigration to flat out deny an American citizen's spouse residency but if they want they can make almost endless demands for additional documentation and take a very long time to review each round to string out the process for several years. Or they could approve the initial application it in a few weeks. It really depends on the case worker and whether the couple raise any red flags.

All that said - I don't think the article says her husband is a citizen. He immigrated here 40 years ago but he may have kept his original citizenship.
 
2013-12-03 01:35:50 PM

wildcardjack: I wish they'd slosh those orders around in espanol. I see so many anchor babies in parts of Dallas you need a shovel to get them out of your way.


Y'all get to use shovels? Here in Vegas we have to use pitchforks.
 
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