LordJiro: Democrats are far from perfect, but they are farking paragons compared to the GOP .
Diogenes: It's like Dickens, Swift, and Sinclair never existed.
FarkedOver: I hate this country so hard.
Triple Oak: Employ all the kids you want, Maine, you're practically far enough away to be Canada and very little benefits are being seen from your state anyway. What's the major export, lobster?
Benevolent Misanthrope: OK, US - you do know that the rest of the world is noticing that, while you're the richest nation on earth, you're also working hard to be the most socially backward, right? And you're working hard to create a State where the haves are filthy rich while the have-nots are slaves, with no real middle class. Right? You do see that. Right?
Benevolent Misanthrope: Maine Gov. Paul LePage (R), who championed a measure in March 2011 that would not only allow kids as young as 12 to get jobs, but would also allow employers to pay children less than the minimum wage.OK, US - you do know that the rest of the world is noticing that, while you're the richest nation on earth, you're also working hard to be the most socially backward, right? And you're working hard to create a State where the haves are filthy rich while the have-nots are slaves, with no real middle class. Right? You do see that. Right?
Peki: o5iiawah: What is being suggested by Maine (work permits issued to people as young as 12 (with parental consent) to work small amounts of time per week, is not this doomsday scenario where parents are yanking their kids out of school and sending them off to factories and stockyards. You're projecting this slope which doesn't exist and has little to do with what is being proposed.Sure. Because I didn't see at least half a dozen kids drop out of high school to take several part time jobs to support their families. Because I didn't experience poverty as a kid, and know how easy it would be to get a kid to agree to work for his family if he thinks they are in danger (the whole stranger needs help with fluffy? Times that by about a thousand). Because I didn't get a work permit myself as a kid, and get subjected to all sorts of under-the-table nastiness (up to and including unsafe business practices that resulted in injuries to myself and another worker) and pressure because it's just a law that doesn't matter if it's not enforced.No. This is wrongheaded, and we need to cut this off at the pass. We ought to be going the other direction, making it as easy for kids to stay in school as long as they want. The whole association of earning an income with being a good person is ridiculous and we need to stop it. Earning money does not build character; it simply shows you how to manipulate the world.
sweetmelissa31: Maybe child governors wouldn't be a bad idea.
edmo: I thought the minimum wage was supposed to be a training wage
odinsposse: neversubmit: Rex SinquefieldEducators Sue to Ensure Voters Have All the Facts on Rex Sinquefield's Extreme Ballot InitiativeStop Child Labor In MissouriNot the first time I have read about this issue yet I still don't know why/how this is a right wing thing.For radical conservatives regulation is always bad. Child labor laws are generally recognized as good regulation but radical conservatives can't accept that so they have to find a way to argue against them. It's a simple mix of contrarianism and blind devotion to ideology.
ficklefkrfark: Triple Oak: Employ all the kids you want, Maine, you're practically far enough away to be Canada and very little benefits are being seen from your state anyway. What's the major export, lobster?Don't lump the rest of Maine in with this dipshat of a governor.
d23: Stone Meadow: Yep...like the massive Federal intrusion into every remaining aspect of American life it doesn't already intrude into as Americans recoil in horror from the GOP. Unintended consequences...how do they work?I don't see any "massive Federal intrusion" into my life. "Massive Federal intrusion" is a complaint from corporate true believers, and quite frankly I want "massive federal intrusion" on corporations that can massively make my live bad, whether it be pollution, credit checks, or information brokering about me.
MindStalker: Felgraf: MindStalker: While the governor is stretching a bit to push for 12 year olds to get a job. I do think that making it easier for 15/16 year olds to get work experience even at a bit below minimum wage would benefit those kids in the long run. Right now its near impossible for 16 year olds to get a job as all the college kids have pushed them out of low positions.Yes, if there's one thing this sluggish economy needs, it's a way for businesses to fire workers who they're paying full salaries to and replace with cheap, disposable, less-than-minimum-wage-paid-minors, who likely have even less of a clue as to what their rights are than the college kids do.WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG.You're a freaken moron. Have you ever tried to train a 15 year old to do anything. Its a farking headache. Pay them to work? They'd need to pay me their first couple of paychecks till they have shiat figured out. That said, businesses used to have no other choice but do that because there wasn't a ton of people willing to take their shiatty jobs, now they have college kids to fill the slack. I don't think a wage of $5 an hour would entice many businesses to hire, but its a start as most of these college kids don't have any work experience either nowadays.
I_Am_Weasel: bdub77: Guys, we are just getting KILLED by the Vietnamese and Chinese over here. I know at least two dozen children under the age of 10 who come to me every day, they say, bdub, we can't get work anywhere. We can sew. We have small fingers that make it easy to lace up shoes. We learned painting in day care and can easily apply noxious glue to undersoles. But the labor laws won't let us. And even if we could work, we can't work 14-16 hour shifts, and we can't even get paid a wage that is competitive with the Burmese or Indonesians or Pakistanis.I know dozens of these poor children. They sit in class, lethargic, tired of the day to day classroom. Many of them are underfed. Why? No MONEY. They don't need lessons in math or science or history or writing. They need JOBS!The next generation of manufacturing is here, available to us, at our fingertips, tugging at our pockets, sitting underutilized in day care centers. What the hell is a creative curriculum anyway? And yet, we do nothing. And those goddamn Asian kids are destroying what little we have left of manufacturing in this country.Please, kill these idiotic child labor laws and minimum wage laws. Do it for the childrens. Do it for the country.[www.quickmeme.com image 505x404](Raising the Blazin' Saddles references)
Uranus Is Huge!: So introducing a flood of lower-paid children to compete with unemployed adults is going to do what now?
Stone Meadow: Yep...like the massive Federal intrusion into every remaining aspect of American life it doesn't already intrude into as Americans recoil in horror from the GOP.
timujin: Stone Meadow: Marcus Aurelius: I've been seeing it since Reagan took office. Something will have to give eventually. Unfortunately it will probably be really ugly when it happens.Yep...like the massive Federal intrusion into every remaining aspect of American life it doesn't already intrude into as Americans recoil in horror from the GOP. Unintended consequences...how do they work?Maybe it's still too early, maybe I haven't had enough coffee, maybe I'm just dense... but I can't figure out what this sentence is supposed to indicate.
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