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(MSNBC)   Gov. LePage (Olive-R twisted enough to vote for this asshole, Maine) decides to bring child labor back, complains that ban on slavery is hindering state's unemployment rate   (msnbc.com) divider line 64
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2013-12-03 10:58:27 AM
6 votes:
Maine Gov. Paul LePage (R), who championed a measure in March 2011 that would not only allow kids as young as 12 to get jobs, but would also allow employers to pay children less than the minimum wage.

OK, US - you do know that the rest of the world is noticing that, while you're the richest nation on earth, you're also working hard to be the most socially backward, right?  And you're working hard to create a State where the haves are filthy rich while the have-nots are slaves, with no real middle class.  Right?  You do see that.  Right?
2013-12-03 02:46:41 PM
5 votes:
I got my first summer job when I was 13. I had to get a work-permit through the school board.
I worked 40 hours a weeks, for four weeks (detassling corn has a short season), at the then current Federal minimum wage of $3.25.

I see nothing wrong with kids under 16 having a summer job, but if they are going to do the same job as someone over 16, then pay them the same wage.
2013-12-03 02:04:07 PM
5 votes:
So introducing a flood of lower-paid children to compete with unemployed adults is going to do what now?
2013-12-03 03:33:42 PM
4 votes:

Diogenes: Well we're degrading the quality of public education so much that kids will only end up as brainless worker drones anyway.  This just speeds up the process.


Our school system is a relic of the industrial revolution and was only ever designed to churn out factory workers who were educated enough to do their jobs efficiently. The whole educational model is even based on mass-production principles... the fact that our educational system resembles a factory process is not a coincidence:

- Children are separated based on age (rather than by ability)
- Age groups are divided up and processed in batches (classrooms)
- Lessons are provided on a strict schedule (complete with bells and lunch break)
- Standardized curriculum
- Standardized and centralized facilities
- Standardized evaluation with numerical grading
- "Rejects" sent back for reprocessing or dumped from the system completely

There is virtually no room - physically, culturally or economically - to optimize the process of education on a per-student level. One might be tempted to say that anyone who makes it through all that and manages to become anything other than a brainless worker drone is the real failure of the system.

Of course, this was only for the unwashed masses - rich people could still send their children to private schools. The typical Republican stance on public education is perfectly in line with their overall mentality of returning to a romanticized/fictional version of a 17th century society.
=Smidge=
2013-12-03 03:15:33 PM
4 votes:

d23: Stone Meadow: Yep...like the massive Federal intrusion into every remaining aspect of American life it doesn't already intrude into as Americans recoil in horror from the GOP. Unintended consequences...how do they work?

I don't see any "massive Federal intrusion" into my life.  "Massive Federal intrusion" is a complaint from corporate true believers, and quite frankly I want "massive federal intrusion" on corporations that can massively make my live bad, whether it be pollution, credit checks, or information brokering about me.


Massive federal intrusions, to Republicans:

1. Hey insurers, here's some money. Now you all subsidize contraceptives at 100%.

2. Excuse me, OilCorp, we need you to cut carbon emissions from your refineries.

3. I'm sorry, HotelChain. You do have to rent rooms to black people.

Things that are not massive federal intrusions, according to Republicans:

1. F*ck off, gay people. I don't care what your state says, you can't get married.

2. Abortion is bad because reasons so we banned it for everyone.

3. This country is fundamentally Christian and everyone else needs to understand that religious freedom means you get to choose whether to be Baptist or Methodist.

4.
2013-12-03 03:14:42 PM
4 votes:
I can understand if you were historically Republican. Maybe your parents were Republicans or you have fond memories of Ike or something. But why anyone continues to stand up and be counted with the Republican party as it is today and still wants to be treated like a sane, healthy, decent human being is beyond me.
2013-12-03 02:40:25 PM
3 votes:

MindStalker: While the governor is stretching a bit to push for 12 year olds to get a job. I do think that making it easier for 15/16 year olds to get work experience even at a bit below minimum wage would benefit those kids in the long run.  Right now its near impossible for 16 year olds to get a job as all the college kids have pushed them out of low positions.



NOOOPPPEEEEE.  Fark Welfare-queen Businesses that want me to subsidize their labor costs.  If they are filling a FTE slot on your roster and producing for the company at the same rate as other employees.  Minimum wage is just what it means.   and Min wage SHOULD be the full $15.71 an hour for everybody.   It's utter bullshiat that the  extra $500 week per full-time employee is what makes or breaks the profitability of a store.
2013-12-03 02:39:51 PM
3 votes:

MindStalker: While the governor is stretching a bit to push for 12 year olds to get a job. I do think that making it easier for 15/16 year olds to get work experience even at a bit below minimum wage would benefit those kids in the long run.  Right now its near impossible for 16 year olds to get a job as all the college kids have pushed them out of low positions.


Yes, if there's one thing this sluggish economy needs, it's a way for businesses to fire workers who they're paying full salaries to and replace with cheap, disposable, less-than-minimum-wage-paid-minors, who likely have even less of a clue as to what their rights are than the college kids do.

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG.
2013-12-03 02:37:55 PM
3 votes:

MindStalker: While the governor is stretching a bit to push for 12 year olds to get a job. I do think that making it easier for 15/16 year olds to get work experience even at a bit below minimum wage would benefit those kids in the long run.  Right now its near impossible for 16 year olds to get a job as all the college kids have pushed them out of low positions.


All that is going to do is bump the college kids out of the work force because there will always be some poor kid to pay slave wages to.
2013-12-03 02:35:58 PM
3 votes:

Uranus Is Huge!: So introducing a flood of lower-paid children to compete with unemployed adults is going to do what now?


Drive the cost of labor down so the job creators will earn more profits or something, I guess.
It's like some people learned nothing from the 1890's-1929, and would like to do that all over again.

When nobody can afford products or services anymore, what is going to happen to the stock prices and profits?
Look in your history books starting sometime in 1929 for more information.
2013-12-03 02:21:13 PM
3 votes:

Uranus Is Huge!: So introducing a flood of lower-paid children to compete with unemployed adults is going to do what now?


Have the umemployment rate go up and then blame Obama since it went up on his watch so it is his fault.

There should be a new bumper sticker that reads: '20_ _: Vote NO on Republicans' and you fill in the spaces depending on the election year.
2013-12-03 01:11:33 PM
3 votes:
I thought the minimum wage was supposed to be a training wage
2013-12-03 11:21:44 AM
3 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: Maine Gov. Paul LePage (R), who championed a measure in March 2011 that would not only allow kids as young as 12 to get jobs, but would also allow employers to pay children less than the minimum wage.

OK, US - you do know that the rest of the world is noticing that, while you're the richest nation on earth, you're also working hard to be the most socially backward, right?  And you're working hard to create a State where the haves are filthy rich while the have-nots are slaves, with no real middle class.  Right?  You do see that.  Right?


I've been seeing it since Reagan took office.  Something will have to give eventually.  Unfortunately it will probably be really ugly when it happens.
2013-12-03 09:35:26 PM
2 votes:

LordJiro: Democrats are far from perfect, but they are farking paragons compared to the GOP .


download.gameblog.fr

Totally. Look at that, barely any renegade whatsoever.

Compare that to the GOP's last candidate...
pbs.twimg.com
2013-12-03 04:47:34 PM
2 votes:

o5iiawah: Actually, the typical republican stance on education is that parents should be able to decide where their child goes to school based on the school's ability to meet the needs of the child.


Actually, the typical republican stance is to take money that was supposed to go into public schools and send their kids to for profit charter schools where only the best and brightest are accepted. This in turn offsets the scales and makes the the charter school look far better then the public school since only ideal students attend. In fact in most cases the charter schools under perform or at best match most public schools on every metric. To which republicans respond by removing any examination of those charter schools that would establish a metric of comparison. Essentially, lowering the tide and sinking all the boats. The money would have been better spent finding a solution to our failing public education rather than making a few feel like nobles and sending their kids to "private" schools that neither match real private schools in either prestige or cost.

No they werent.  The 8 hour day/40 hour week was put into place by Henry Ford for his non-UAW workers.

Seriously???? Yes, Ford did establish a 40hr work week. But his operation was a tiny, tiny fraction of the work force. It was FDR, Justice Black, before he was a Justice and Congress expanding the New Deal that pushed for it nationally, establish 40hr plus overtime pay for greater than 40hrs for MOST jobs.
2013-12-03 03:59:48 PM
2 votes:
Newsflash:  Your snowflakes aren't that precious.  They will not die or suffer permanent injury if asked to do some chores at age 15.  Or if they get paid for it.

Everyone here agrees with that.  But heaven forbid the law comport with reality.

Work your child 70 hours a week with academics and piano lessons?  Win Tiger Mom of the Year.  Let him earn a few bucks doing 5 hours a week as a stockboy during the summer?  Punch your ticket to the seventh level of Hell, you child abuser.
2013-12-03 03:27:15 PM
2 votes:

FarkedOver: I hate this country so hard.


Don't hate our country. Hate the mouth breathing chuckle heads who are actively trying to run it into the ground, while other mouth breathing, six generations inbred Taters slam their grease covered paws together, grunting in approval, before going back to eating lice out of their genital folds and drooling.
2013-12-03 02:57:07 PM
2 votes:
Surely this is one of those headlines which breathlessly exaggerates what was actually said.

*clicks link*

Oh, dear God. What is WRONG with Republicans?!
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-12-03 02:52:55 PM
2 votes:

un4gvn666: MindStalker: Have you ever tried to train a 15 year old to do anything. Its a farking headache.

Only if you don't know how to hire or don't know how to explain things.

The average 15 year old is no dumber or smarter than the average adult when it comes to performing basic tasks. The smart ones get it, the dumb ones don't.

ALL of them deserve a fair wage, though.


That's the issue.  It's another attempt to push down wages.  We already have corporations holding all the wage power in the US.  Why give them more?
2013-12-03 02:52:52 PM
2 votes:
Absolutely no way that repealing or rolling back labor laws will result in the wholesale exploitation of children.  No way, no how.  Please disregard those elderly folks over there who actually worked in the New England mills or cannerys when they were children, themselves.  Anything past 50 years is ancient history, totally irrelevant.
2013-12-03 02:47:31 PM
2 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: MindStalker: While the governor is stretching a bit to push for 12 year olds to get a job. I do think that making it easier for 15/16 year olds to get work experience even at a bit below minimum wage would benefit those kids in the long run.  Right now its near impossible for 16 year olds to get a job as all the college kids have pushed them out of low positions.

All that is going to do is bump the college kids out of the work force because there will always be some poor kid to pay slave wages to.


Exactly - businesses will simply turn the positions those college kids have into positions that are held by minors that are paid less.

That's how business works - find a way to cut costs, take that method.

/deal with fallout later.
//complain of lack of talented individuals
///make no effort to train
2013-12-03 02:46:12 PM
2 votes:
When are people going to smarten up and learn not to vote for these sick twisted farks???  Seriously, these people want to do away with all government regulation and make this country a Somalian paradise.
2013-12-03 02:37:38 PM
2 votes:
It's like Dickens, Swift, and Sinclair never existed.
2013-12-03 02:36:40 PM
2 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: Maine Gov. Paul LePage (R), who championed a measure in March 2011 that would not only allow kids as young as 12 to get jobs, but would also allow employers to pay children less than the minimum wage.

OK, US - you do know that the rest of the world is noticing that, while you're the richest nation on earth, you're also working hard to be the most socially backward, right?  And you're working hard to create a State where the haves are filthy rich while the have-nots are slaves, with no real middle class.  Right?  You do see that.  Right?


The current republican party sees places like india and mexico as an ideal.  Two classes.  The wealthy who have all the money and power and get what they want unopposed, and the working poor who get paid pennies and a pat on the head for their labor.  Look at the choices they make in this context, and suddenly you'll notice that everything they're doing is to get us closer to that "ideal".
2013-12-03 02:31:17 PM
2 votes:
Libertarianism, with its lofty rhetoric about "liberty" and "freedom" can have some appeal in the abstract.

But this is how it looks in the real world.  It's just a tired old philosophy that exists to justify and perpetuate our plutocracy in the name of "economic freedom."   It's the today's version of social darwinism.
2013-12-03 02:29:00 PM
2 votes:
The fact that republicans are not dragged out into the street and shot en mass shows how doomed this world is.  We will make hell on earth, we will vote it in place a piece at a time.

Its what 51% of the world wants.
2013-12-03 02:03:46 PM
2 votes:
Guys, we are just getting KILLED by the Vietnamese and Chinese over here. I know at least two dozen children under the age of 10 who come to me every day, they say, bdub, we can't get work anywhere. We can sew. We have small fingers that make it easy to lace up shoes. We learned painting in day care and can easily apply noxious glue to undersoles. But the labor laws won't let us. And even if we could work, we can't work 14-16 hour shifts, and we can't even get paid a wage that is competitive with the Burmese or Indonesians or Pakistanis.

I know dozens of these poor children. They sit in class, lethargic, tired of the day to day classroom. Many of them are underfed. Why? No MONEY.  They don't need lessons in math or science or history or writing. They need JOBS!

The next generation of manufacturing is here, available to us, at our fingertips, tugging at our pockets, sitting underutilized in day care centers. What the hell is a creative curriculum anyway? And yet, we do nothing. And those goddamn Asian kids are destroying what little we have left of manufacturing in this country.

Please, kill these idiotic child labor laws and minimum wage laws. Do it for the childrens. Do it for the country.
2013-12-03 10:45:55 AM
2 votes:
Well we're degrading the quality of public education so much that kids will only end up as brainless worker drones anyway.  This just speeds up the process.
2013-12-03 08:42:08 PM
1 votes:

o5iiawah: Actually, the typical republican stance on education is that parents should be able to decide where their child goes to school based on the school's ability to meet the needs of the child.


It really isn't, though, because they do not allow any provisions for people to have the means to send their children to good schools. In other words, they support parents being able to choose their child's school if and only if they can afford it. If they implement a voucher system they will find every way possible to eliminate it because "government spending" and "why should I pay to send your child to school?" (See also: food stamps, healthcare)

Then there's a not insignificant portion of these people who see a voucher system as a means to funnel public money into private schools, where they can insert religious worldviews on the taxpayer's dime because private schools are exempt from the separation clause of the 1st Amendment.

If left to run things the way they want, we'd end up with an educated privileged class and an uneducated worker/indentured servitude class. Exactly like what we had pre-industrial revolution.


o5iiawah: The typical progressive argument for education is to maintain what we have been doing for another 150 years and who see quality control as paying more to those who administer it


Also wrong - a "progressive" would want to improve the school system. More funding so they can hire more teachers and improve the teacher:student ratio. Better facilities, broa der curriculum, longer school hours, more after school activities (particularly important for poorer neighborhoods), reintroducing vocational training classes, trying new teaching methods... the list goes on.
=Smidge=
2013-12-03 05:26:20 PM
1 votes:

FarkedOver: I hate this country so hard.


II don't hate the country; I hate the people that biatch and moan about "X" candidate/politician after they had a chance to snuff them out in a vote and didn't show up to do so.
2013-12-03 05:16:16 PM
1 votes:

o5iiawah: What is being suggested by Maine (work permits issued to people as young as 12 (with parental consent) to work small amounts of time per week, is not this doomsday scenario where parents are yanking their kids out of school and sending them off to factories and stockyards.  You're projecting this slope which doesn't exist and has little to do with what is being proposed.


Sure. Because I didn't see at least half a dozen kids drop out of high school to take several part time jobs to support their families. Because I didn't experience poverty as a kid, and know how easy it would be to get a kid to agree to work for his family if he thinks they are in danger (the whole stranger needs help with fluffy? Times that by about a thousand). Because I didn't get a work permit myself as a kid, and get subjected to all sorts of under-the-table nastiness (up to and including unsafe business practices that resulted in injuries to myself and another worker) and pressure because it's just a law that doesn't matter if it's not enforced.

No. This is wrongheaded, and we need to cut this off at the pass. We ought to be going the other direction, making it as easy for kids to stay in school as long as they want. The whole association of earning an income with being a good person is ridiculous and we need to stop it. Earning money does not build character; it simply shows you how to manipulate the world.
2013-12-03 05:08:15 PM
1 votes:

GoldSpider: cameroncrazy1984: That's because  it's illegal

Even if that were true (kids can work full-time during summers) what business do you think will A. hire a kid full-time and have to pay benefits, and B. be willing to pay them time and a half for overtime??



I think you are getting a bit carried away with the fulltime issue.  Governor LePage actually recommended time limits for each age group that started round 12hrs a week.


Before you go painting dark pictures of children toiling away in the mines, let's start focusing more on reality.

I spent my teen years in Maine before the age limits were set in place.  We were not wealthy, and as a kid, I was always needing money.  For the most part, I was pretty creative about coming up with money making schemes:  door to door offers of lawn mowing and general grounds maintenance, selling candy and drinks at sporting events, shoveling driveways in the winter.  At times when the weather wasn't warm enough to sell cold drinks, or snow was out of season, I could always rely on some of the standby's that kids under 16 are currently banned from: news paper delivery, stuffing ads in the newspapers, sweeping parking lots.  Central Maine has a thriving agricultural economy.  If a kid under the age of 16 were up to it, there was apple picking late summer, cleaning out horse stalls and chicken sheds, or general labor during the planting and harvesting season.  There were unlimited tourist hospitality positions along the coast; carnival help, auction and flea market runners were always needed, or working at hotels and golf courses.  Even for a boy as young as twelve there were numerous choices that did not tax the brain or body too badly, gave a kid the opportunity to put aside some spending money, and usually got him in with a great group of kids that often grew into friendships.  Compared to shoveling driveways and apartment rooftops, or carrying bricks at a construction site while overseas in Teheran, working in Maine was a breeze.  Maybe the snow and horse shiat shoveling was pretty tough on a kid but these jobs didn't usually last all that long and the payout was usually pretty good.

To be honest, my most loathsome and brain melting mainstream job I performed was working at McDonalds for 6 weeks when I was 15.  Too many rules, too little respect, and not a lot to show for it.

Sadly, unless you are 15 or older, most of these opportunities are lost
2013-12-03 04:46:00 PM
1 votes:

o5iiawah: Ford was no more a Nazi


You may want to read up on your anti-Semite pal Ford.  He was pretty bad.  Woodrow Wilson was no buddy of mine.  He had thousands arrested illegally for speaking out against WW1 and its imperialist nature.

And as to the rest of your post, um ok.
2013-12-03 04:38:38 PM
1 votes:

o5iiawah: No they werent. The 8 hour day/40 hour week was put into place by Henry Ford for his non-UAW workers.


Go read up on the IWW, chief.  The struggle started long before Nazi Ford started producing Model Ts
2013-12-03 04:37:29 PM
1 votes:
Here's a revolutionary idea.  Children remain in school until 18.  Here's another revolutionary idea; instead of the 8 hour work day we have a 6 hour work day (with no detrimental change in pay)? It's the 21st century..... we fought for the 8 hour work day in the 19th century..... technology has come a long way to help ease the burden of all workers to shorten the work day and without having to have children enter the work force.
2013-12-03 04:33:22 PM
1 votes:

o5iiawah: I love how the traditional crop of leftists are equating making it legal for 12-16 year olds to work to slave labor (where they would be forced to work).
Rubberized goalposts are going to be needed for the rest of this thread.


I have news for you.

In a second gilded age, you would be a poor share cropper looking for work. Your masters will not save you.
2013-12-03 04:32:47 PM
1 votes:

GoldSpider: Garet Garrett: Look, you're going to get your basic wish:  all too many of our kids will grow up to be utterly dependent on the government.  Can't you let some of them have a shot at a reasonable degree of self-sufficiency?  Or does that offend your delicate sensibilities too much?

Forget it, man, you're dealing with people whose parents paid them a weekly allowance for the privilege of calling them their kid.


yeah he's the reasonable one, using infrastructure built by the government to whine about all our kids being dependent on the government.
2013-12-03 04:07:00 PM
1 votes:

FarkedOver: I'm sorry you're anti-labor.  But child labor, the 8 hour work day, safety on the job.... all things that were fought hard for by leftist activist


Sure they were, but how did they become law?

Apparently I'm anti-labor for supporting things that actually help labor, rather than a feel-good movement.
2013-12-03 04:00:16 PM
1 votes:

GoldSpider: meat0918: They want to sell that coal now, immediately, before the market evaporates, to China, India, and South Korea (among others) because the US is moving away from coal.  Fark that noise.

And to think they had the gall to propose installing offshore wind turbines within view from my beach house!


I have a fundamental disagreement with selling our country's energy reserves and other unprocessed natural resources to a nation like China, one that doesn't really have our best interests in mind, and one that turns around and sells us a product utilizing those materials, made with cheap labor and abundant human rights abuses.

It happens with a lot of things, timber, oil, natural gas, minerals, even chicken now, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
2013-12-03 03:47:25 PM
1 votes:

neversubmit: FarkedOver: This is outright class warfare.  The upper class is winning.

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I have to be honest, fark that guy, and fark the administration over increasing coal mining leases (although bravo for finally getting new regs through for coal emissions what will hopefully get us off coal faster).

He's got a stake in the Powder Basin coal export market, and they tried to ram his trains through my city despite objections from our residents and nearly every city along the route to Coos Bay, Oregon.

The only thing that stopped them from going this route (they'd pass about 1/2 mile from my home), was the feds were requiring the investors to upgrade the rail line to handle the increase in traffic, something they said no too.

They want to sell that coal now, immediately, before the market evaporates, to China, India, and South Korea (among others) because the US is moving away from coal.  Fark that noise.

Unfortunately, all three are also trying to move away from coal, with all three investing heavily in renewable as well as nuclear power generation.

//Rant over.
2013-12-03 03:45:46 PM
1 votes:

MindStalker: While the governor is stretching a bit to push for 12 year olds to get a job. I do think that making it easier for 15/16 year olds to get work experience even at a bit below minimum wage would benefit those kids in the long run.  Right now its near impossible for 16 year olds to get a job as all the college kids have pushed them out of low positions.


I was 13 When I started my paper route.  I delivered papers 5 days a week after school.  Did not hurt my grades and I had more money that any of my friends.

Not seeing the problem.  No one is being forced to work.
2013-12-03 03:31:42 PM
1 votes:

FarkedOver: This is outright class warfare.  The upper class is winning.


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2013-12-03 03:26:28 PM
1 votes:
This is outright class warfare.  The upper class is winning.
2013-12-03 03:23:51 PM
1 votes:

odinsposse: neversubmit: Rex Sinquefield

Educators Sue to Ensure Voters Have All the Facts on Rex Sinquefield's Extreme Ballot Initiative

Stop Child Labor In Missouri

Not the first time I have read about this issue yet I still don't know why/how this is a right wing thing.

For radical conservatives regulation is always bad. Child labor laws are generally recognized as good regulation but radical conservatives can't accept that so they have to find a way to argue against them. It's a simple mix of contrarianism and blind devotion to ideology.


In some respects, I think it's a good thing that the agenda needle keeps migrating farther into the crazy zone. The radicals, who tend to hold sway in more than a few primaries, will keep nominating crazier and crazier candidates. Makes it easier to beat them like a drum in the general elections.
2013-12-03 03:23:46 PM
1 votes:
More Liberal elitism on display here.

/Like YOU people know whats best for children
//GOP, the party of, by and for children.
///Vote Republican
2013-12-03 03:18:45 PM
1 votes:

Magorn: simple businessman


I don't think a 'businessman' is a term of respect any more.
2013-12-03 03:17:44 PM
1 votes:

neversubmit: Rex Sinquefield

Educators Sue to Ensure Voters Have All the Facts on Rex Sinquefield's Extreme Ballot Initiative

Stop Child Labor In Missouri

Not the first time I have read about this issue yet I still don't know why/how this is a right wing thing.


Cheaper labor means higher profit margins.
2013-12-03 03:16:13 PM
1 votes:
If I pick any policy stance based on pure unmitigated evil, why do I find a republican entertaining it?
2013-12-03 03:10:55 PM
1 votes:
Imagine being 14 and looking for your first job. That manager looks at you and says, "I like you, kid, but you don't have any work experience. I have 12-year-olds who have been doing this for years lines up around the block for this position. I'm sorry, but I just can't help you out."
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-12-03 03:09:47 PM
1 votes:

sendtodave: Needlessly Complicated: Surely this is one of those headlines which breathlessly exaggerates what was actually said.

*clicks link*

Oh, dear God. What is WRONG with Republicans?!

The only way to combat unemployment is to lower wages.


Great way to get backdoor subsidies to your business too, ala Walmart.   There is no way to tell, but if you count all the employees on food stamps it has to be the biggest receiver of corporate welfare in the US.
2013-12-03 03:09:36 PM
1 votes:

neversubmit: Rex Sinquefield

Educators Sue to Ensure Voters Have All the Facts on Rex Sinquefield's Extreme Ballot Initiative

Stop Child Labor In Missouri

Not the first time I have read about this issue yet I still don't know why/how this is a right wing thing.


For radical conservatives regulation is always bad. Child labor laws are generally recognized as good regulation but radical conservatives can't accept that so they have to find a way to argue against them. It's a simple mix of contrarianism and blind devotion to ideology.
2013-12-03 03:08:57 PM
1 votes:
There's nothing wrong with kids working. It keeps them out of trouble, it builds character, you figure our earlier in life what work you like or dislike, and it teaches responsibility. A maximum of 10 to 15 hours a week? That's 2-3 hours a day on weekdays. Big farking deal.

As the son of a restaurant owner, I worked double or even triple that during the summer at that age. At 16, I worked 50+ hours a week over the summer.

One change: kids should be paid at least minimum wage, and not be taxed for it, or at least pay much less in taxes. An honest day's work should be rewarded no matter how young you are.
2013-12-03 02:58:25 PM
1 votes:

monoski: Headso: I was a child laborer, I had a paper route as a kid...

Me too and made less than min wage.


not me, lived in a fairly rich area, with tips I got almost 20 bucks an hour and that was in the early 80s. That job still sucked though because you had to be up every single day no later than 6 and you only got 1 day off per year, christmas.
2013-12-03 02:52:31 PM
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MindStalker: Felgraf: MindStalker: While the governor is stretching a bit to push for 12 year olds to get a job. I do think that making it easier for 15/16 year olds to get work experience even at a bit below minimum wage would benefit those kids in the long run.  Right now its near impossible for 16 year olds to get a job as all the college kids have pushed them out of low positions.

Yes, if there's one thing this sluggish economy needs, it's a way for businesses to fire workers who they're paying full salaries to and replace with cheap, disposable, less-than-minimum-wage-paid-minors, who likely have even less of a clue as to what their rights are than the college kids do.

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG.

You're a freaken moron. Have you ever tried to train a 15 year old to do anything. Its a farking headache. Pay them to work? They'd need to pay me their first couple of paychecks till they have shiat figured out. That said, businesses used to have no other choice but do that because there wasn't a ton of people willing to take their shiatty jobs, now they have college kids to fill the slack. I don't think a wage of $5 an hour would entice many businesses to hire, but its a start as most of these college kids don't have any work experience either nowadays.


Yes, and we all know how much wall-mart cares about having highly trained workers.
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2013-12-03 02:51:35 PM
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Stone Meadow: Yep...like the massive Federal intrusion into every remaining aspect of American life it doesn't already intrude into as Americans recoil in horror from the GOP. Unintended consequences...how do they work?


I don't see any "massive Federal intrusion" into my life.  "Massive Federal intrusion" is a complaint from corporate true believers, and quite frankly I want "massive federal intrusion" on corporations that can massively make my live bad, whether it be pollution, credit checks, or information brokering about me.
2013-12-03 02:47:02 PM
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Headso: I was a child laborer, I had a paper route as a kid...


Me too and made less than min wage.
2013-12-03 02:40:42 PM
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buzzcut73: Uranus Is Huge!: So introducing a flood of lower-paid children to compete with unemployed adults is going to do what now?

Drive the cost of labor down so the job creators will earn more profits or something, I guess.
It's like some people learned nothing from the 1890's-1929, and would like to do that all over again.

When nobody can afford products or services anymore, what is going to happen to the stock prices and profits?
Look in your history books starting sometime in 1929 for more information.


But this time they can store all their wealth offshore and incorporate in Singapore and have a vacation home in Italy. They'll be ok.

And after they have crashed the economy and bankrupted the government, they'll return, promising the scraps of salvation. And we will take it because we don't have anything else.

Unless we do something first.
2013-12-03 02:33:55 PM
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Triple Oak: Employ all the kids you want, Maine, you're practically far enough away to be Canada and very little benefits are being seen from your state anyway. What's the major export, lobster?


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2013-12-03 02:30:07 PM
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LePage said he's not suggesting 12-year-old kids work 40-hour work weeks, but he's comfortable with a 12-year-old working up to 10 hours a week and/or a 14-year-old working up to 15 hours a week.

And as we all know, businesses are honest actors and would never ever dream of breaking this law.
2013-12-03 02:27:11 PM
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I was a child laborer, I had a paper route as a kid...
2013-12-03 01:35:38 PM
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Benevolent Misanthrope: OK, US - you do know that the rest of the world is noticing that, while you're the richest nation on earth, you're also working hard to be the most socially backward, right?  And you're working hard to create a State where the haves are filthy rich while the have-nots are slaves, with no real middle class.  Right?  You do see that.  Right?


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Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Maine's governor, The Honorable William J. Le Petomaine.
2013-12-03 01:32:05 PM
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Stone Meadow: Marcus Aurelius: I've been seeing it since Reagan took office.  Something will have to give eventually.  Unfortunately it will probably be really ugly when it happens.

Yep...like the massive Federal intrusion into every remaining aspect of American life it doesn't already intrude into as Americans recoil in horror from the GOP. Unintended consequences...how do they work?


Maybe it's still too early, maybe I haven't had enough coffee, maybe I'm just dense... but I can't figure out what this sentence is supposed to indicate.
2013-12-03 11:16:23 AM
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Benevolent Misanthrope: Maine Gov. Paul LePage (R), who championed a measure in March 2011 that would not only allow kids as young as 12 to get jobs, but would also allow employers to pay children less than the minimum wage.

OK, US - you do know that the rest of the world is noticing that, while you're the richest nation on earth, you're also working hard to be the most socially backward, right?  And you're working hard to create a State where the haves are filthy rich while the have-nots are slaves, with no real middle class.  Right?  You do see that.  Right?


This sounds a lot like socialism and unfreedoms to me.
2013-12-03 10:41:32 AM
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What the Dickens?

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