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(MSNBC)   Gov. LePage (Olive-R twisted enough to vote for this asshole, Maine) decides to bring child labor back, complains that ban on slavery is hindering state's unemployment rate   (msnbc.com) divider line 227
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2013-12-03 02:46:41 PM
I got my first summer job when I was 13. I had to get a work-permit through the school board.
I worked 40 hours a weeks, for four weeks (detassling corn has a short season), at the then current Federal minimum wage of $3.25.

I see nothing wrong with kids under 16 having a summer job, but if they are going to do the same job as someone over 16, then pay them the same wage.
 
2013-12-03 02:47:02 PM

Headso: I was a child laborer, I had a paper route as a kid...


Me too and made less than min wage.
 
2013-12-03 02:47:31 PM

HotWingConspiracy: MindStalker: While the governor is stretching a bit to push for 12 year olds to get a job. I do think that making it easier for 15/16 year olds to get work experience even at a bit below minimum wage would benefit those kids in the long run.  Right now its near impossible for 16 year olds to get a job as all the college kids have pushed them out of low positions.

All that is going to do is bump the college kids out of the work force because there will always be some poor kid to pay slave wages to.


Exactly - businesses will simply turn the positions those college kids have into positions that are held by minors that are paid less.

That's how business works - find a way to cut costs, take that method.

/deal with fallout later.
//complain of lack of talented individuals
///make no effort to train
 
2013-12-03 02:47:39 PM

MindStalker: Have you ever tried to train a 15 year old to do anything. Its a farking headache.


Only if you don't know how to hire or don't know how to explain things.

The average 15 year old is no dumber or smarter than the average adult when it comes to performing basic tasks. The smart ones get it, the dumb ones don't.

ALL of them deserve a fair wage, though.
 
2013-12-03 02:49:51 PM

Huggermugger: What specifically does he hope to accomplish with this? Is there some task that just isn't getting done because there are no tiny hands to do it? Is there some industry that will finally flourish once it can employ children? Will the economy of Maine significantly improve once this legislation is passed?


All I can think of is that there are no employers left, so Mainese have to open family businesses and employ their young un's to run the till.
 
2013-12-03 02:50:29 PM

Rwa2play: mrshowrules: Greenlit finally.  You only get a Republican supporting child labour thread a few times a season, I'm glad this one didn't get passed-up.

I really hope Maine Dems/Indies nominate someone sane enough to kick this guy's ass in a vote.


Just like last time it is shaping up to be a three way race. Every time this idiot does something idiotic people need to be reminded that he was elected with 38% of the vote. The majority of Mainiacs voted against him.

This time the independent is going to have a much harder time siphoning off enough votes though.  The Democrat has already come out as gay and is still leading in all the polls.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-12-03 02:51:35 PM

Stone Meadow: Yep...like the massive Federal intrusion into every remaining aspect of American life it doesn't already intrude into as Americans recoil in horror from the GOP. Unintended consequences...how do they work?


I don't see any "massive Federal intrusion" into my life.  "Massive Federal intrusion" is a complaint from corporate true believers, and quite frankly I want "massive federal intrusion" on corporations that can massively make my live bad, whether it be pollution, credit checks, or information brokering about me.
 
2013-12-03 02:52:31 PM

MindStalker: Felgraf: MindStalker: While the governor is stretching a bit to push for 12 year olds to get a job. I do think that making it easier for 15/16 year olds to get work experience even at a bit below minimum wage would benefit those kids in the long run.  Right now its near impossible for 16 year olds to get a job as all the college kids have pushed them out of low positions.

Yes, if there's one thing this sluggish economy needs, it's a way for businesses to fire workers who they're paying full salaries to and replace with cheap, disposable, less-than-minimum-wage-paid-minors, who likely have even less of a clue as to what their rights are than the college kids do.

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG.

You're a freaken moron. Have you ever tried to train a 15 year old to do anything. Its a farking headache. Pay them to work? They'd need to pay me their first couple of paychecks till they have shiat figured out. That said, businesses used to have no other choice but do that because there wasn't a ton of people willing to take their shiatty jobs, now they have college kids to fill the slack. I don't think a wage of $5 an hour would entice many businesses to hire, but its a start as most of these college kids don't have any work experience either nowadays.


Yes, and we all know how much wall-mart cares about having highly trained workers.
 
2013-12-03 02:52:52 PM
Absolutely no way that repealing or rolling back labor laws will result in the wholesale exploitation of children.  No way, no how.  Please disregard those elderly folks over there who actually worked in the New England mills or cannerys when they were children, themselves.  Anything past 50 years is ancient history, totally irrelevant.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-12-03 02:52:55 PM

un4gvn666: MindStalker: Have you ever tried to train a 15 year old to do anything. Its a farking headache.

Only if you don't know how to hire or don't know how to explain things.

The average 15 year old is no dumber or smarter than the average adult when it comes to performing basic tasks. The smart ones get it, the dumb ones don't.

ALL of them deserve a fair wage, though.


That's the issue.  It's another attempt to push down wages.  We already have corporations holding all the wage power in the US.  Why give them more?
 
2013-12-03 02:56:05 PM

d23: un4gvn666: MindStalker: Have you ever tried to train a 15 year old to do anything. Its a farking headache.

Only if you don't know how to hire or don't know how to explain things.

The average 15 year old is no dumber or smarter than the average adult when it comes to performing basic tasks. The smart ones get it, the dumb ones don't.

ALL of them deserve a fair wage, though.

That's the issue.  It's another attempt to push down wages.  We already have corporations holding all the wage power in the US.  Why give them more?



www.arsenal.com

This
 
2013-12-03 02:57:07 PM
Surely this is one of those headlines which breathlessly exaggerates what was actually said.

*clicks link*

Oh, dear God. What is WRONG with Republicans?!
 
2013-12-03 02:58:25 PM

monoski: Headso: I was a child laborer, I had a paper route as a kid...

Me too and made less than min wage.


not me, lived in a fairly rich area, with tips I got almost 20 bucks an hour and that was in the early 80s. That job still sucked though because you had to be up every single day no later than 6 and you only got 1 day off per year, christmas.
 
2013-12-03 02:58:30 PM
Yes, the way to decrease the unemployment rate is to increase the denominator.

/sarcasm
 
2013-12-03 02:59:42 PM

Needlessly Complicated: Surely this is one of those headlines which breathlessly exaggerates what was actually said.

*clicks link*

Oh, dear God. What is WRONG with Republicans?!


They're republican.  duh.
 
2013-12-03 03:02:17 PM
Rex Sinquefield

Educators Sue to Ensure Voters Have All the Facts on Rex Sinquefield's Extreme Ballot Initiative

Stop Child Labor In Missouri

Not the first time I have read about this issue yet I still don't know why/how this is a right wing thing.
 
2013-12-03 03:04:27 PM

MindStalker: Felgraf: MindStalker: While the governor is stretching a bit to push for 12 year olds to get a job. I do think that making it easier for 15/16 year olds to get work experience even at a bit below minimum wage would benefit those kids in the long run.  Right now its near impossible for 16 year olds to get a job as all the college kids have pushed them out of low positions.

Yes, if there's one thing this sluggish economy needs, it's a way for businesses to fire workers who they're paying full salaries to and replace with cheap, disposable, less-than-minimum-wage-paid-minors, who likely have even less of a clue as to what their rights are than the college kids do.

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG.

You're a freaken moron. Have you ever tried to train a 15 year old to do anything. Its a farking headache. Pay them to work? They'd need to pay me their first couple of paychecks till they have shiat figured out.


Does your boss take your pay because you're so useless that you can't train a 15 year old to do menial labor?
 
2013-12-03 03:06:01 PM

Needlessly Complicated: Surely this is one of those headlines which breathlessly exaggerates what was actually said.

*clicks link*

Oh, dear God. What is WRONG with Republicans?!


The only way to combat unemployment is to lower wages.
 
2013-12-03 03:07:02 PM

HotWingConspiracy: MindStalker: Felgraf: MindStalker: While the governor is stretching a bit to push for 12 year olds to get a job. I do think that making it easier for 15/16 year olds to get work experience even at a bit below minimum wage would benefit those kids in the long run.  Right now its near impossible for 16 year olds to get a job as all the college kids have pushed them out of low positions.

Yes, if there's one thing this sluggish economy needs, it's a way for businesses to fire workers who they're paying full salaries to and replace with cheap, disposable, less-than-minimum-wage-paid-minors, who likely have even less of a clue as to what their rights are than the college kids do.

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG.

You're a freaken moron. Have you ever tried to train a 15 year old to do anything. Its a farking headache. Pay them to work? They'd need to pay me their first couple of paychecks till they have shiat figured out.

Does your boss take your pay because you're so useless that you can't train a 15 year old to do menial labor?


Luckily I don't train 15 year olds. And I didn't say it was impossible, I said they are worthless for their first few paychecks.
 
2013-12-03 03:08:52 PM

Triple Oak: Employ all the kids you want, Maine, you're practically far enough away to be Canada and very little benefits are being seen from your state anyway. What's the major export, lobster?


Don't lump the rest of Maine in with this dipshat of a governor.
 
2013-12-03 03:08:57 PM
There's nothing wrong with kids working. It keeps them out of trouble, it builds character, you figure our earlier in life what work you like or dislike, and it teaches responsibility. A maximum of 10 to 15 hours a week? That's 2-3 hours a day on weekdays. Big farking deal.

As the son of a restaurant owner, I worked double or even triple that during the summer at that age. At 16, I worked 50+ hours a week over the summer.

One change: kids should be paid at least minimum wage, and not be taxed for it, or at least pay much less in taxes. An honest day's work should be rewarded no matter how young you are.
 
2013-12-03 03:09:23 PM

MindStalker: HotWingConspiracy: MindStalker: Felgraf: MindStalker: While the governor is stretching a bit to push for 12 year olds to get a job. I do think that making it easier for 15/16 year olds to get work experience even at a bit below minimum wage would benefit those kids in the long run.  Right now its near impossible for 16 year olds to get a job as all the college kids have pushed them out of low positions.

Yes, if there's one thing this sluggish economy needs, it's a way for businesses to fire workers who they're paying full salaries to and replace with cheap, disposable, less-than-minimum-wage-paid-minors, who likely have even less of a clue as to what their rights are than the college kids do.

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG.

You're a freaken moron. Have you ever tried to train a 15 year old to do anything. Its a farking headache. Pay them to work? They'd need to pay me their first couple of paychecks till they have shiat figured out.

Does your boss take your pay because you're so useless that you can't train a 15 year old to do menial labor?

Luckily I don't train 15 year olds.


Then your declaration is even more bizarre.

 And I didn't say it was impossible, I said they are worthless for their first few paychecks.

They're still working and deserve a pay check. Also, the word "minimum" means something.
 
2013-12-03 03:09:36 PM

neversubmit: Rex Sinquefield

Educators Sue to Ensure Voters Have All the Facts on Rex Sinquefield's Extreme Ballot Initiative

Stop Child Labor In Missouri

Not the first time I have read about this issue yet I still don't know why/how this is a right wing thing.


For radical conservatives regulation is always bad. Child labor laws are generally recognized as good regulation but radical conservatives can't accept that so they have to find a way to argue against them. It's a simple mix of contrarianism and blind devotion to ideology.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-12-03 03:09:47 PM

sendtodave: Needlessly Complicated: Surely this is one of those headlines which breathlessly exaggerates what was actually said.

*clicks link*

Oh, dear God. What is WRONG with Republicans?!

The only way to combat unemployment is to lower wages.


Great way to get backdoor subsidies to your business too, ala Walmart.   There is no way to tell, but if you count all the employees on food stamps it has to be the biggest receiver of corporate welfare in the US.
 
2013-12-03 03:09:49 PM

Somacandra: Benevolent Misanthrope: OK, US - you do know that the rest of the world is noticing that, while you're the richest nation on earth, you're also working hard to be the most socially backward, right?  And you're working hard to create a State where the haves are filthy rich while the have-nots are slaves, with no real middle class.  Right?  You do see that.  Right?

[ourtowntustin.files.wordpress.com image 708x361]


Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Maine's governor, The Honorable William J. Le Petomaine.


I better watch my ass.
 
2013-12-03 03:10:25 PM

physt: Triple Oak: Employ all the kids you want, Maine, you're practically far enough away to be Canada and very little benefits are being seen from your state anyway. What's the major export, lobster?

[newsbusters.org image 460x280]


Sadly, there is no Lovecraftian horror which will arise from the depths to consume Paul LePage.
 
2013-12-03 03:10:55 PM
Imagine being 14 and looking for your first job. That manager looks at you and says, "I like you, kid, but you don't have any work experience. I have 12-year-olds who have been doing this for years lines up around the block for this position. I'm sorry, but I just can't help you out."
 
2013-12-03 03:11:02 PM

orclover: The fact that republicans are not dragged out into the street and shot en mass shows how doomed this world is.  We will make hell on earth, we will vote it in place a piece at a time.

Its what 51% of the world wants.


Well, a rapidly dwindling 51%. Actually, probably more like a very vocal 23%. Jesus, you're a cheerful guy. Crap like this has happened throughout US history. This wave of radicalism will eventually go the way of the Know Nothings.
 
2013-12-03 03:11:53 PM

gaslight: What the Dickens?


What you did? I see it.
 
2013-12-03 03:13:21 PM
ARE THERE NO WORKHOUSES...
Oh, there are?
Carry on, then.
 
2013-12-03 03:14:30 PM

quizzical: Imagine being 14 and looking for your first job. That manager looks at you and says, "I like you, kid, but you don't have any work experience. I have 12-year-olds who have been doing this for years lines up around the block for this position. I'm sorry, but I just can't help you out."


That happened to me.
I was told I waited to long to apply for a job as a fruit picker at a farm.
They did hire me, but only for 25 cents an hour.
No over time.
I worked one day.
 
2013-12-03 03:14:42 PM
I can understand if you were historically Republican. Maybe your parents were Republicans or you have fond memories of Ike or something. But why anyone continues to stand up and be counted with the Republican party as it is today and still wants to be treated like a sane, healthy, decent human being is beyond me.
 
2013-12-03 03:15:33 PM

d23: Stone Meadow: Yep...like the massive Federal intrusion into every remaining aspect of American life it doesn't already intrude into as Americans recoil in horror from the GOP. Unintended consequences...how do they work?

I don't see any "massive Federal intrusion" into my life.  "Massive Federal intrusion" is a complaint from corporate true believers, and quite frankly I want "massive federal intrusion" on corporations that can massively make my live bad, whether it be pollution, credit checks, or information brokering about me.


Massive federal intrusions, to Republicans:

1. Hey insurers, here's some money. Now you all subsidize contraceptives at 100%.

2. Excuse me, OilCorp, we need you to cut carbon emissions from your refineries.

3. I'm sorry, HotelChain. You do have to rent rooms to black people.

Things that are not massive federal intrusions, according to Republicans:

1. F*ck off, gay people. I don't care what your state says, you can't get married.

2. Abortion is bad because reasons so we banned it for everyone.

3. This country is fundamentally Christian and everyone else needs to understand that religious freedom means you get to choose whether to be Baptist or Methodist.

4.
 
2013-12-03 03:16:13 PM
If I pick any policy stance based on pure unmitigated evil, why do I find a republican entertaining it?
 
2013-12-03 03:16:17 PM
I hate this country so hard.
 
2013-12-03 03:17:44 PM

neversubmit: Rex Sinquefield

Educators Sue to Ensure Voters Have All the Facts on Rex Sinquefield's Extreme Ballot Initiative

Stop Child Labor In Missouri

Not the first time I have read about this issue yet I still don't know why/how this is a right wing thing.


Cheaper labor means higher profit margins.
 
2013-12-03 03:18:22 PM

Somacandra: Benevolent Misanthrope: OK, US - you do know that the rest of the world is noticing that, while you're the richest nation on earth, you're also working hard to be the most socially backward, right?  And you're working hard to create a State where the haves are filthy rich while the have-nots are slaves, with no real middle class.  Right?  You do see that.  Right?

[ourtowntustin.files.wordpress.com image 708x361]


Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Maine's governor, The Honorable William J. Le Petomaine.


Err what? Sorry. That photo had two very distracting elements in it.
 
2013-12-03 03:18:45 PM

Magorn: simple businessman


I don't think a 'businessman' is a term of respect any more.
 
2013-12-03 03:18:59 PM

odinsposse: neversubmit: Rex Sinquefield

Educators Sue to Ensure Voters Have All the Facts on Rex Sinquefield's Extreme Ballot Initiative

Stop Child Labor In Missouri

Not the first time I have read about this issue yet I still don't know why/how this is a right wing thing.

For radical conservatives regulation is always bad. Child labor laws are generally recognized as good regulation but radical conservatives can't accept that so they have to find a way to argue against them. It's a simple mix of contrarianism and blind devotion to ideology.


oic

Ideology has always been a bit of a blind spot for me. I love them all but most should never leave the realm of the mind.
 
2013-12-03 03:22:14 PM

ficklefkrfark: Triple Oak: Employ all the kids you want, Maine, you're practically far enough away to be Canada and very little benefits are being seen from your state anyway. What's the major export, lobster?

Don't lump the rest of Maine in with this dipshat of a governor.


Been saying the same thing about WI....but then I go out and talk to my neighbors....
 
2013-12-03 03:23:46 PM
More Liberal elitism on display here.

/Like YOU people know whats best for children
//GOP, the party of, by and for children.
///Vote Republican
 
2013-12-03 03:23:51 PM

odinsposse: neversubmit: Rex Sinquefield

Educators Sue to Ensure Voters Have All the Facts on Rex Sinquefield's Extreme Ballot Initiative

Stop Child Labor In Missouri

Not the first time I have read about this issue yet I still don't know why/how this is a right wing thing.

For radical conservatives regulation is always bad. Child labor laws are generally recognized as good regulation but radical conservatives can't accept that so they have to find a way to argue against them. It's a simple mix of contrarianism and blind devotion to ideology.


In some respects, I think it's a good thing that the agenda needle keeps migrating farther into the crazy zone. The radicals, who tend to hold sway in more than a few primaries, will keep nominating crazier and crazier candidates. Makes it easier to beat them like a drum in the general elections.
 
2013-12-03 03:24:42 PM
Seriously?

His and other Republican's solution to unemployment is to allow expand the labor pool AND pay them less?

Fark these guys.
 
2013-12-03 03:26:28 PM
This is outright class warfare.  The upper class is winning.
 
2013-12-03 03:27:15 PM

FarkedOver: I hate this country so hard.


Don't hate our country. Hate the mouth breathing chuckle heads who are actively trying to run it into the ground, while other mouth breathing, six generations inbred Taters slam their grease covered paws together, grunting in approval, before going back to eating lice out of their genital folds and drooling.
 
2013-12-03 03:31:42 PM

FarkedOver: This is outright class warfare.  The upper class is winning.


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2013-12-03 03:33:42 PM

Diogenes: Well we're degrading the quality of public education so much that kids will only end up as brainless worker drones anyway.  This just speeds up the process.


Our school system is a relic of the industrial revolution and was only ever designed to churn out factory workers who were educated enough to do their jobs efficiently. The whole educational model is even based on mass-production principles... the fact that our educational system resembles a factory process is not a coincidence:

- Children are separated based on age (rather than by ability)
- Age groups are divided up and processed in batches (classrooms)
- Lessons are provided on a strict schedule (complete with bells and lunch break)
- Standardized curriculum
- Standardized and centralized facilities
- Standardized evaluation with numerical grading
- "Rejects" sent back for reprocessing or dumped from the system completely

There is virtually no room - physically, culturally or economically - to optimize the process of education on a per-student level. One might be tempted to say that anyone who makes it through all that and manages to become anything other than a brainless worker drone is the real failure of the system.

Of course, this was only for the unwashed masses - rich people could still send their children to private schools. The typical Republican stance on public education is perfectly in line with their overall mentality of returning to a romanticized/fictional version of a 17th century society.
=Smidge=
 
2013-12-03 03:35:09 PM

A Cave Geek: ficklefkrfark: Triple Oak: Employ all the kids you want, Maine, you're practically far enough away to be Canada and very little benefits are being seen from your state anyway. What's the major export, lobster?

Don't lump the rest of Maine in with this dipshat of a governor.

Been saying the same thing about WI....but then I go out and talk to my neighbors....


You do have a point there...
 
2013-12-03 03:37:56 PM
How 'bout we raise minimum wage instead?
 
2013-12-03 03:39:14 PM

lockers: If I pick any policy stance based on pure unmitigated evil, why do I find a republican entertaining it?


Because it's so satisfying? Feels so good? absolute bliss?
 
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