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(MSNBC)   Gov. LePage (Olive-R twisted enough to vote for this asshole, Maine) decides to bring child labor back, complains that ban on slavery is hindering state's unemployment rate   (msnbc.com) divider line 227
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2013-12-03 10:41:32 AM  
What the Dickens?

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2013-12-03 10:45:55 AM  
Well we're degrading the quality of public education so much that kids will only end up as brainless worker drones anyway.  This just speeds up the process.
 
2013-12-03 10:47:52 AM  

gaslight: What the Dickens?

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Cheap labor conservatives love them some cheap labor.
 
2013-12-03 10:58:27 AM  
Maine Gov. Paul LePage (R), who championed a measure in March 2011 that would not only allow kids as young as 12 to get jobs, but would also allow employers to pay children less than the minimum wage.

OK, US - you do know that the rest of the world is noticing that, while you're the richest nation on earth, you're also working hard to be the most socially backward, right?  And you're working hard to create a State where the haves are filthy rich while the have-nots are slaves, with no real middle class.  Right?  You do see that.  Right?
 
2013-12-03 11:16:23 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Maine Gov. Paul LePage (R), who championed a measure in March 2011 that would not only allow kids as young as 12 to get jobs, but would also allow employers to pay children less than the minimum wage.

OK, US - you do know that the rest of the world is noticing that, while you're the richest nation on earth, you're also working hard to be the most socially backward, right?  And you're working hard to create a State where the haves are filthy rich while the have-nots are slaves, with no real middle class.  Right?  You do see that.  Right?


This sounds a lot like socialism and unfreedoms to me.
 
2013-12-03 11:21:44 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Maine Gov. Paul LePage (R), who championed a measure in March 2011 that would not only allow kids as young as 12 to get jobs, but would also allow employers to pay children less than the minimum wage.

OK, US - you do know that the rest of the world is noticing that, while you're the richest nation on earth, you're also working hard to be the most socially backward, right?  And you're working hard to create a State where the haves are filthy rich while the have-nots are slaves, with no real middle class.  Right?  You do see that.  Right?


I've been seeing it since Reagan took office.  Something will have to give eventually.  Unfortunately it will probably be really ugly when it happens.
 
2013-12-03 12:38:41 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: I've been seeing it since Reagan took office.  Something will have to give eventually.  Unfortunately it will probably be really ugly when it happens.


Yep...like the massive Federal intrusion into every remaining aspect of American life it doesn't already intrude into as Americans recoil in horror from the GOP. Unintended consequences...how do they work?
 
2013-12-03 01:08:39 PM  
Greenlit finally.  You only get a Republican supporting child labour thread a few times a season, I'm glad this one didn't get passed-up.
 
2013-12-03 01:11:33 PM  
I thought the minimum wage was supposed to be a training wage
 
2013-12-03 01:12:30 PM  
I'm sure Jesus would approve.
 
2013-12-03 01:17:44 PM  
I can't bother being shocked any more.
 
2013-12-03 01:32:05 PM  

Stone Meadow: Marcus Aurelius: I've been seeing it since Reagan took office.  Something will have to give eventually.  Unfortunately it will probably be really ugly when it happens.

Yep...like the massive Federal intrusion into every remaining aspect of American life it doesn't already intrude into as Americans recoil in horror from the GOP. Unintended consequences...how do they work?


Maybe it's still too early, maybe I haven't had enough coffee, maybe I'm just dense... but I can't figure out what this sentence is supposed to indicate.
 
2013-12-03 01:35:38 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: OK, US - you do know that the rest of the world is noticing that, while you're the richest nation on earth, you're also working hard to be the most socially backward, right?  And you're working hard to create a State where the haves are filthy rich while the have-nots are slaves, with no real middle class.  Right?  You do see that.  Right?


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Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Maine's governor, The Honorable William J. Le Petomaine.
 
2013-12-03 01:39:03 PM  

timujin: Stone Meadow: Marcus Aurelius: I've been seeing it since Reagan took office.  Something will have to give eventually.  Unfortunately it will probably be really ugly when it happens.

Yep...like the massive Federal intrusion into every remaining aspect of American life it doesn't already intrude into as Americans recoil in horror from the GOP. Unintended consequences...how do they work?

Maybe it's still too early, maybe I haven't had enough coffee, maybe I'm just dense... but I can't figure out what this sentence is supposed to indicate.


I think you're grossly overestimating the power of coffee.
 
2013-12-03 01:39:31 PM  

Stone Meadow: Yep...like the massive Federal intrusion into every remaining aspect of American life it doesn't already intrude into as Americans recoil in horror from the GOP.


You already tried secession over slavery once. How did that work out?
 
2013-12-03 01:49:17 PM  

Somacandra: Stone Meadow: Yep...like the massive Federal intrusion into every remaining aspect of American life it doesn't already intrude into as Americans recoil in horror from the GOP.

You already tried secession over slavery once. How did that work out?


I did? Please remind me how I did that. I grant that I'm old...but I'm not THAT old.

Oh, and apologies for trimming too much out of the post I quoted. What I meant to highlight is that LaPage's efforts to exploit states' authority to set labor conditions and restrictions may have the unintended consequence of stimulating the Fed gov't to pass legislation that further intrudes into the states' authority, the exact opposite effect of what he wants.
 
2013-12-03 02:03:46 PM  
Guys, we are just getting KILLED by the Vietnamese and Chinese over here. I know at least two dozen children under the age of 10 who come to me every day, they say, bdub, we can't get work anywhere. We can sew. We have small fingers that make it easy to lace up shoes. We learned painting in day care and can easily apply noxious glue to undersoles. But the labor laws won't let us. And even if we could work, we can't work 14-16 hour shifts, and we can't even get paid a wage that is competitive with the Burmese or Indonesians or Pakistanis.

I know dozens of these poor children. They sit in class, lethargic, tired of the day to day classroom. Many of them are underfed. Why? No MONEY.  They don't need lessons in math or science or history or writing. They need JOBS!

The next generation of manufacturing is here, available to us, at our fingertips, tugging at our pockets, sitting underutilized in day care centers. What the hell is a creative curriculum anyway? And yet, we do nothing. And those goddamn Asian kids are destroying what little we have left of manufacturing in this country.

Please, kill these idiotic child labor laws and minimum wage laws. Do it for the childrens. Do it for the country.
 
2013-12-03 02:04:07 PM  
So introducing a flood of lower-paid children to compete with unemployed adults is going to do what now?
 
2013-12-03 02:21:13 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: So introducing a flood of lower-paid children to compete with unemployed adults is going to do what now?


Have the umemployment rate go up and then blame Obama since it went up on his watch so it is his fault.

There should be a new bumper sticker that reads: '20_ _: Vote NO on Republicans' and you fill in the spaces depending on the election year.
 
2013-12-03 02:23:27 PM  
there's that laser like focus we've all been hearing about!
 
2013-12-03 02:23:53 PM  

bdub77: Guys, we are just getting KILLED by the Vietnamese and Chinese over here. I know at least two dozen children under the age of 10 who come to me every day, they say, bdub, we can't get work anywhere. We can sew. We have small fingers that make it easy to lace up shoes. We learned painting in day care and can easily apply noxious glue to undersoles. But the labor laws won't let us. And even if we could work, we can't work 14-16 hour shifts, and we can't even get paid a wage that is competitive with the Burmese or Indonesians or Pakistanis.

I know dozens of these poor children. They sit in class, lethargic, tired of the day to day classroom. Many of them are underfed. Why? No MONEY.  They don't need lessons in math or science or history or writing. They need JOBS!

The next generation of manufacturing is here, available to us, at our fingertips, tugging at our pockets, sitting underutilized in day care centers. What the hell is a creative curriculum anyway? And yet, we do nothing. And those goddamn Asian kids are destroying what little we have left of manufacturing in this country.

Please, kill these idiotic child labor laws and minimum wage laws. Do it for the childrens. Do it for the country.


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(Raising the Blazin' Saddles references)
 
2013-12-03 02:25:04 PM  
Employ all the kids you want, Maine, you're practically far enough away to be Canada and very little benefits are being seen from your state anyway. What's the major export, lobster?
 
2013-12-03 02:27:08 PM  
Remember, this genius called for top bracket tax cuts claiming that Millionaires living in Maine were becoming "an endangered species" and had declined 90% in the past 20% years due to high taxes when actual demographic data showed they had actually INCREASED 70% during that time.   And the Guy who made his own version of Mitt Romney's infamous 47% comment nearly a year after it cost Mitt the election.


So what I'm sayin' here is this guy ain't exactly the sharpest pencil in the box, or a big fan of "rality based" statistics.
 
2013-12-03 02:27:11 PM  
I was a child laborer, I had a paper route as a kid...
 
2013-12-03 02:29:00 PM  
The fact that republicans are not dragged out into the street and shot en mass shows how doomed this world is.  We will make hell on earth, we will vote it in place a piece at a time.

Its what 51% of the world wants.
 
2013-12-03 02:29:31 PM  
What? How would flooding the market with desperate uneducated and easily exploited workers help unemp....Ohh. Wow, he's kinda evil.
 
2013-12-03 02:30:07 PM  
LePage said he's not suggesting 12-year-old kids work 40-hour work weeks, but he's comfortable with a 12-year-old working up to 10 hours a week and/or a 14-year-old working up to 15 hours a week.

And as we all know, businesses are honest actors and would never ever dream of breaking this law.
 
2013-12-03 02:31:17 PM  
Libertarianism, with its lofty rhetoric about "liberty" and "freedom" can have some appeal in the abstract.

But this is how it looks in the real world.  It's just a tired old philosophy that exists to justify and perpetuate our plutocracy in the name of "economic freedom."   It's the today's version of social darwinism.
 
2013-12-03 02:32:12 PM  
I'm all in favor of child labor. The kids around my apartment are all sniffing glue and stealing hubcaps... AND THE OLDEST ONE IS 9!
 
2013-12-03 02:32:23 PM  
 HOLY CRAP I just RTFA.
He even LOOKS evil. WTF! C'mon people, it couldn't be more obvious if his name was Wormtongue.
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2013-12-03 02:32:24 PM  

mrshowrules: Greenlit finally.  You only get a Republican supporting child labour thread a few times a season, I'm glad this one didn't get passed-up.


I really hope Maine Dems/Indies nominate someone sane enough to kick this guy's ass in a vote.
 
2013-12-03 02:32:42 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: bdub77: Guys, we are just getting KILLED by the Vietnamese and Chinese over here. I know at least two dozen children under the age of 10 who come to me every day, they say, bdub, we can't get work anywhere. We can sew. We have small fingers that make it easy to lace up shoes. We learned painting in day care and can easily apply noxious glue to undersoles. But the labor laws won't let us. And even if we could work, we can't work 14-16 hour shifts, and we can't even get paid a wage that is competitive with the Burmese or Indonesians or Pakistanis.

I know dozens of these poor children. They sit in class, lethargic, tired of the day to day classroom. Many of them are underfed. Why? No MONEY.  They don't need lessons in math or science or history or writing. They need JOBS!

The next generation of manufacturing is here, available to us, at our fingertips, tugging at our pockets, sitting underutilized in day care centers. What the hell is a creative curriculum anyway? And yet, we do nothing. And those goddamn Asian kids are destroying what little we have left of manufacturing in this country.

Please, kill these idiotic child labor laws and minimum wage laws. Do it for the childrens. Do it for the country.

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(Raising the Blazin' Saddles references)


Well what you need to understand is tha Lepage isn't a professional politician he's just a simple businessman,  a man of of the land, a man of the common clay of the Northeast.  You know...a moron.
 
2013-12-03 02:33:55 PM  

Triple Oak: Employ all the kids you want, Maine, you're practically far enough away to be Canada and very little benefits are being seen from your state anyway. What's the major export, lobster?


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2013-12-03 02:35:06 PM  
I was picking on my 8 year old and telling her she would have to work Thanksgiving Day at Walmart so I'm getting a kick...
 
2013-12-03 02:35:49 PM  
While the governor is stretching a bit to push for 12 year olds to get a job. I do think that making it easier for 15/16 year olds to get work experience even at a bit below minimum wage would benefit those kids in the long run.  Right now its near impossible for 16 year olds to get a job as all the college kids have pushed them out of low positions.
 
2013-12-03 02:35:58 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: So introducing a flood of lower-paid children to compete with unemployed adults is going to do what now?


Drive the cost of labor down so the job creators will earn more profits or something, I guess.
It's like some people learned nothing from the 1890's-1929, and would like to do that all over again.

When nobody can afford products or services anymore, what is going to happen to the stock prices and profits?
Look in your history books starting sometime in 1929 for more information.
 
2013-12-03 02:36:28 PM  
The question is, would Randolph Scott support this?
 
2013-12-03 02:36:40 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Maine Gov. Paul LePage (R), who championed a measure in March 2011 that would not only allow kids as young as 12 to get jobs, but would also allow employers to pay children less than the minimum wage.

OK, US - you do know that the rest of the world is noticing that, while you're the richest nation on earth, you're also working hard to be the most socially backward, right?  And you're working hard to create a State where the haves are filthy rich while the have-nots are slaves, with no real middle class.  Right?  You do see that.  Right?


The current republican party sees places like india and mexico as an ideal.  Two classes.  The wealthy who have all the money and power and get what they want unopposed, and the working poor who get paid pennies and a pat on the head for their labor.  Look at the choices they make in this context, and suddenly you'll notice that everything they're doing is to get us closer to that "ideal".
 
2013-12-03 02:37:38 PM  
It's like Dickens, Swift, and Sinclair never existed.
 
2013-12-03 02:37:55 PM  

MindStalker: While the governor is stretching a bit to push for 12 year olds to get a job. I do think that making it easier for 15/16 year olds to get work experience even at a bit below minimum wage would benefit those kids in the long run.  Right now its near impossible for 16 year olds to get a job as all the college kids have pushed them out of low positions.


All that is going to do is bump the college kids out of the work force because there will always be some poor kid to pay slave wages to.
 
2013-12-03 02:39:51 PM  

MindStalker: While the governor is stretching a bit to push for 12 year olds to get a job. I do think that making it easier for 15/16 year olds to get work experience even at a bit below minimum wage would benefit those kids in the long run.  Right now its near impossible for 16 year olds to get a job as all the college kids have pushed them out of low positions.


Yes, if there's one thing this sluggish economy needs, it's a way for businesses to fire workers who they're paying full salaries to and replace with cheap, disposable, less-than-minimum-wage-paid-minors, who likely have even less of a clue as to what their rights are than the college kids do.

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG.
 
2013-12-03 02:40:25 PM  

MindStalker: While the governor is stretching a bit to push for 12 year olds to get a job. I do think that making it easier for 15/16 year olds to get work experience even at a bit below minimum wage would benefit those kids in the long run.  Right now its near impossible for 16 year olds to get a job as all the college kids have pushed them out of low positions.



NOOOPPPEEEEE.  Fark Welfare-queen Businesses that want me to subsidize their labor costs.  If they are filling a FTE slot on your roster and producing for the company at the same rate as other employees.  Minimum wage is just what it means.   and Min wage SHOULD be the full $15.71 an hour for everybody.   It's utter bullshiat that the  extra $500 week per full-time employee is what makes or breaks the profitability of a store.
 
2013-12-03 02:40:42 PM  

buzzcut73: Uranus Is Huge!: So introducing a flood of lower-paid children to compete with unemployed adults is going to do what now?

Drive the cost of labor down so the job creators will earn more profits or something, I guess.
It's like some people learned nothing from the 1890's-1929, and would like to do that all over again.

When nobody can afford products or services anymore, what is going to happen to the stock prices and profits?
Look in your history books starting sometime in 1929 for more information.


But this time they can store all their wealth offshore and incorporate in Singapore and have a vacation home in Italy. They'll be ok.

And after they have crashed the economy and bankrupted the government, they'll return, promising the scraps of salvation. And we will take it because we don't have anything else.

Unless we do something first.
 
2013-12-03 02:40:49 PM  
FTA:  As was the case with the measure two years ago, the Maine governor supports a minimum wage of $5.25 per hour for children - $2 less than the minimum wage for adults - which LePage would call a "training wage."

"Training wage" in the esteemed governor's eyes is akin to a porn actress using a butt-plug on herself in preparation to performing anal intercourse for the first time in her life with Lexington Steele.

WTF is wrong with you, Maine????
 
2013-12-03 02:42:00 PM  
What specifically does he hope to accomplish with this? Is there some task that just isn't getting done because there are no tiny hands to do it? Is there some industry that will finally flourish once it can employ children? Will the economy of Maine significantly improve once this legislation is passed?
 
2013-12-03 02:44:55 PM  

Stone Meadow: Marcus Aurelius: I've been seeing it since Reagan took office.  Something will have to give eventually.  Unfortunately it will probably be really ugly when it happens.

Yep...like the massive Federal intrusion into every remaining aspect of American life it doesn't already intrude into as Americans recoil in horror from the GOP. Unintended consequences...how do they work?


You're trolling, maybe, but I once had to explain why I tended to vote Democratic in those terms.

The Democrats had held the Legislature in this state for so long that they had sort of become corrupt. Not in the sense that there was widespread theft, graft, bribery, or other criminal activity above and beyond the occasional hand in the cookie jar, but if you were a Democrat in the Legislature, you tended to be very comfy in your job. That meant you might run through Legislation without sufficient public comment, or in closed committee, which might be against the rules of the Legislature; you'd take shortcuts, you'd basically run the state as if the rules of running a state didn't really apply to you.

The Republicans managed to take power a few election cycles ago, and we went from corrupt to incompetent. These weren't economic what'll-it-cost lower-taxes Republicans; these were Jesusland all-taxes-are-evil Obama-is-Satan Republicans. LePage is one of them - put steeples on schools, privatize breathing, and bring back child labor. And this isn't even the first time he's suggested bringing back child labor.

So I had to explain that given the choice between corrupt and incompetent, I had to choose corrupt. At least corrupt knows what it's doing. Incompetent tries to introduce charter schools to the state by bringing in ten different companies to run them - and ALL TEN OF THEM fail to meet state educational standards. Of course, I'd rather not have corrupt, either, but at least corrupt can run the damn state.

As far as Federal intrusion goes, it's pretty clear that it isn't party that leads to authoritarianism, it's power. Republicans don't exactly have their noses clean when it comes to intrusive legislation. What needs to be changed there is the law, not the party. If you think your party will change the law when they get power, I got a bridge that's just your color. And I say that no matter what party you adhere to.
 
2013-12-03 02:45:03 PM  

Huggermugger:  Will the economy of wealthy people in Maine significantly improve once this legislation is passed?


Yes.
 
2013-12-03 02:45:17 PM  

bdub77: Guys, we are just getting KILLED by the Vietnamese and Chinese over here. I know at least two dozen children under the age of 10 who come to me every day, they say, bdub, we can't get work anywhere. We can sew. We have small fingers that make it easy to lace up shoes. We learned painting in day care and can easily apply noxious glue to undersoles. But the labor laws won't let us. And even if we could work, we can't work 14-16 hour shifts, and we can't even get paid a wage that is competitive with the Burmese or Indonesians or Pakistanis.

I know dozens of these poor children. They sit in class, lethargic, tired of the day to day classroom. Many of them are underfed. Why? No MONEY.  They don't need lessons in math or science or history or writing. They need JOBS!

The next generation of manufacturing is here, available to us, at our fingertips, tugging at our pockets, sitting underutilized in day care centers. What the hell is a creative curriculum anyway? And yet, we do nothing. And those goddamn Asian kids are destroying what little we have left of manufacturing in this country.

Please, kill these idiotic child labor laws and minimum wage laws. Do it for the childrens. Do it for the country.


Not to mention that most of these manufacturing jobs are being automated anyway!  I mean, by the time my nephew hits 12, he'll probably know a heck of a lot more about technology than I ever will.  Why shouldn't he be the one to run those machines in the factory?  Plus, if anything ever gets jammed, his small arms would be able to unjam it much easier than a man twice his age, which would probably require a major shutdown anyways.
 
2013-12-03 02:45:56 PM  

Felgraf: MindStalker: While the governor is stretching a bit to push for 12 year olds to get a job. I do think that making it easier for 15/16 year olds to get work experience even at a bit below minimum wage would benefit those kids in the long run.  Right now its near impossible for 16 year olds to get a job as all the college kids have pushed them out of low positions.

Yes, if there's one thing this sluggish economy needs, it's a way for businesses to fire workers who they're paying full salaries to and replace with cheap, disposable, less-than-minimum-wage-paid-minors, who likely have even less of a clue as to what their rights are than the college kids do.

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG.


You're a freaken moron. Have you ever tried to train a 15 year old to do anything. Its a farking headache. Pay them to work? They'd need to pay me their first couple of paychecks till they have shiat figured out. That said, businesses used to have no other choice but do that because there wasn't a ton of people willing to take their shiatty jobs, now they have college kids to fill the slack. I don't think a wage of $5 an hour would entice many businesses to hire, but its a start as most of these college kids don't have any work experience either nowadays.
 
2013-12-03 02:46:12 PM  
When are people going to smarten up and learn not to vote for these sick twisted farks???  Seriously, these people want to do away with all government regulation and make this country a Somalian paradise.
 
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