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(Voice of America)   To fight AIDS, Rwanda offers men a do-it-yourself circumcision kit. Not only is it cheaper and safer than going to an unlicenced doctor, but you don't have to leave a tip   (voanews.com) divider line 123
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2013-12-03 08:50:16 AM
"non-surgical"

put a rubber band around the tip and wait for it to fall off, or

www.photo-dictionary.com
 
2013-12-03 09:09:39 AM
closer to your first option, but two bands
 
2013-12-03 09:12:23 AM
I'm not the do-it-yourself kinda guy.
 
2013-12-03 09:14:40 AM
Nice subby.
 
2013-12-03 09:14:49 AM
How does a man's circumcision limit the spread of HIV/AIDS?

Personally, I think it's a barbaric practice that serves absolutely no practice in the modern world.  FGM, is far, far worse on par with torture.

Did i miss something in the article?
 
2013-12-03 09:17:18 AM

SquiggsIN: How does a man's circumcision limit the spread of HIV/AIDS?


via God.
 
2013-12-03 09:17:55 AM
Not sure I buy the "circumcision science" for preventing AIDS unless of course the band is the size/shape of an Elizabethan dog collar.
 
2013-12-03 09:18:22 AM
Or, you know, a box of condoms may work. Just something to consider before going the whole "final exam at Mohel School" route.
 
2013-12-03 09:19:23 AM
Aren't there any out of work mohels that are willing to travel?
 
2013-12-03 09:20:28 AM

SquiggsIN: How does a man's circumcision limit the spread of HIV/AIDS?

Personally, I think it's a barbaric practice that serves absolutely no practice in the modern world.  FGM, is far, far worse on par with torture.

Did i miss something in the article?


My 100% guess reason is that it leads to less tearing in either the male or female somehow, but I really have no idea why. Studies have shown a correlation, but that could just be coincidence, too.
 
2013-12-03 09:23:32 AM

uttertosh: SquiggsIN: How does a man's circumcision limit the spread of HIV/AIDS?

via God.


I have a hard time remembering that a majority of the people on this rock still believe that there is a deity pulling strings around them.
 
2013-12-03 09:24:21 AM
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-12-03 09:24:45 AM
Rabbi Tuckman: I am Rabbi Tuckman, purveyor of sacramental wine and moyel extraordinaire.
Merry Men: 'ello Rabbi!
Rabbi Tuckman: Hello boys!
Robin Hood: A moyel... I don't believe I've ever heard of that profession.
Rabbi Tuckman: A moyel is a very important guy. He makes circumcisions.
Scarlet: What, pray tell, sir, is a circumcision?
Rabbi Tuckman: It's the latest craze. The ladies love it!
Little John: I'll take one!
Ahchoo: Hey, put me down for two!
Robin Hood: I'm game. How's it done?
Rabbi Tuckman: It's a snap.
[demonstrates with a carrot and a miniature guillotine]
Rabbi Tuckman: I take my machine here, I take your little thing, I put it through this hole, and then...
[releases the blade, cutting the end off the carrot]
Rabbi Tuckman: I nip the tip! Whose first?
Merry Men: [groan]
Little John: I changed me mind!
Ahchoo: I forgot, I already got one.
Blinkin: [puts his hand in the air] Question...
[Ahchoo pulls his arm down silencing him]
Rabbi Tuckman: I gotta start working with a younger crowd.
 
2013-12-03 09:24:49 AM
Ladies love circumcised men because they can't resist anything that's 10% off
 
2013-12-03 09:25:17 AM

machoprogrammer: SquiggsIN: How does a man's circumcision limit the spread of HIV/AIDS?

Personally, I think it's a barbaric practice that serves absolutely no practice in the modern world.  FGM, is far, far worse on par with torture.

Did i miss something in the article?

My 100% guess reason is that it leads to less tearing in either the male or female somehow, but I really have no idea why. Studies have shown a correlation, but that could just be coincidence, too.


circumcision actually inhibits a male's sexual effectiveness.  All that extra skin is there to push up against the female's happy spots during intercourse... remove it and you remove the added stimulation that is there for her.   At least, that's my opinion of it all.
 
2013-12-03 09:25:45 AM
Whar nope gifs? Whar?
 
2013-12-03 09:27:22 AM

EyeballKid: Or, you know, a box of condoms may work. Just something to consider before going the whole "final exam at Mohel School" route.


god says rubbers are evil

(but apparently farking the town whore is just fine)
 
2013-12-03 09:27:25 AM

SquiggsIN: How does a man's circumcision limit the spread of HIV/AIDS?

Personally, I think it's a barbaric practice that serves absolutely no practice in the modern world.  FGM, is far, far worse on par with torture.

Did i miss something in the article?


Unknown 'how', but go look on pubmed - there's good evidence that it works.
 
2013-12-03 09:28:43 AM

kvinesknows: EyeballKid: Or, you know, a box of condoms may work. Just something to consider before going the whole "final exam at Mohel School" route.

god says rubbers are evil

(but apparently farking the town whore is just fine)


Any religion that says otherwise is obviously heretical.
 
2013-12-03 09:29:10 AM
I would have gone with "you don't have to leave a tip" myself, but good headline.
 
2013-12-03 09:31:36 AM

EyeballKid: Or, you know, a box of condoms may work. Just something to consider before going the whole "final exam at Mohel School" route.


Stop hating freedom, which to a Rwandan means "stop getting your Tutsi neck in the way of my whistling machete blade".
 
2013-12-03 09:32:31 AM

SquiggsIN: uttertosh: SquiggsIN: How does a man's circumcision limit the spread of HIV/AIDS?

via God.

I have a hard time remembering that a majority of the people on this rock still believe that there is a deity pulling strings around them.


I have a hard time forgetting. Rum helps. Doesn't "save", mind you. Just helps.
 
2013-12-03 09:32:47 AM
How about condoms?
 
2013-12-03 09:33:24 AM
The spread of AIDS to from female to male is very low in the first place, even lower if you don't have a bunch of loose dick skin to get torn.  Sorry, but it's true.

Also, if dudes don't do the buttsex with each other the transference is very low as well.
 
2013-12-03 09:36:36 AM

lewismarktwo: The spread of AIDS to from female to male is very low in the first place, even lower if you don't have a bunch of loose dick skin to get torn.  Sorry, but it's true.


CITATION NEEDED

It doesn't matter how much they cut off; sticking it in the Crack of Doom is a bad idea.
 
2013-12-03 09:39:05 AM
The issue is that the skin under the foreskin is more susceptible to infection if exposed than a circumcised penis, where that skin has hardened because of mutilation. Tearing is also a real possibility in countries where mastrubation is frowned upon and the male population is uncircumcised. Blood to blood contact will increase chances of transmission.

1) teach the kids to whack it.
2) Condoms.

There isn't a real need to circumcise.
 
2013-12-03 09:45:20 AM

lewismarktwo: The spread of AIDS to from female to male is very low in the first place, even lower if you don't have a bunch of loose dick skin to get torn.  Sorry, but it's true.

Also, if dudes don't do the buttsex with each other the transference is very low as well.


On a per-instance basis this is true, but over time those odds add up.  According to the CDC ( http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/policies/law/risk.html ), 5 transmissions female-to-male per 10,000 acts of unprotected intercourse (per act, p = 0.0005).  ...but if you do it more than once (say, 100 sexitimes): 100^(1-0.0005) = 1-(1-0.0005)^100 = about 5% chance you'll catch it.  If you have sex 1000 times ( 1-(1-0.0005)^1000 ), that's a 40% chance.

...so over the course of one's lifetime, if you're a male with an infected partner, odds are decent you'll end up with the disease -- even though the per-act probability is low.
 
2013-12-03 09:46:14 AM
 
2013-12-03 09:47:43 AM

lewismarktwo: The spread of AIDS to from female to male is very low in the first place, even lower if you don't have a bunch of loose dick skin to get torn.  Sorry, but it's true.

Also, if dudes don't do the buttsex with each other the transference is very low as well.


Interestingly, if you're "pitching", the probability of acquiring HIV from an infected partner is only slightly higher with anal vs. vaginal (6.5 vs 5 infections per 10,000 exposures).
 
2013-12-03 09:48:18 AM

PunGent: lewismarktwo: The spread of AIDS to from female to male is very low in the first place, even lower if you don't have a bunch of loose dick skin to get torn.  Sorry, but it's true.

CITATION NEEDED

It doesn't matter how much they cut off; sticking it in the Crack of Doom is a bad idea.


He is right, vaginal sex has a very low chance of transmission per encounter. 5 in 10000 chance is 1 in 2000. Of course, that is per encounter, so the more you do it, the more likely it is to transmit.
 
2013-12-03 09:50:07 AM
I don't think penis surgery should be do it yourself.
 
2013-12-03 09:50:12 AM

itsaidwhat: Nice subby

stubby.

/fixed
 
2013-12-03 09:51:12 AM
Circumcision is slowly on its way out and people who are circumcised will do farking anything to keep it mainstream.  Even push junk science in a aids ridden country in a hope that it will catch on.  No matter how many people it kills.

Somehow getting circumcised turns you into a enormous asshole that hates his fellow humans and makes them want to mutilate babies is what I am trying to say.
 
2013-12-03 09:52:16 AM
So instead of putting on a condom you would rather cut part of your dick off?!?!?
 
2013-12-03 09:53:22 AM

orclover: Circumcision is slowly on its way out and people who are circumcised will do farking anything to keep it mainstream.  Even push junk science in a aids ridden country in a hope that it will catch on.  No matter how many people it kills.

Somehow getting circumcised turns you into a enormous asshole that hates his fellow humans and makes them want to mutilate babies is what I am trying to say.


Yeah, those scientists who do peer reviewed studies sure love to pass junk science
 
2013-12-03 09:56:52 AM

orclover: Circumcision is slowly on its way out and people who are circumcised will do farking anything to keep it mainstream.  Even push junk science in a aids ridden country in a hope that it will catch on.  No matter how many people it kills.

Somehow getting circumcised turns you into a enormous asshole that hates his fellow humans and makes them want to mutilate babies is what I am trying to say.


It's a fairly well-known finding.  E.g.,

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2502151
The correlation between these two variables in 37 African countries was high (R = 0.9; P less than 0.001). This finding is consistent with existing clinic-based studies that indicate a lower risk of HIV infection among circumcised males.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22210632
The efficacy of male circumcision for HIV prevention over 2 years has been demonstrated in three randomized trials...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18705758
Male circumcision is an effective strategy for reducing new male HIV infections.

etc., etc.

I mean, if you want to go all Glenn Beck and just ignore science you don't like while shouting "conspiracy!", that's always your option, but there are lots of studies that show the same effect.
 
2013-12-03 10:04:28 AM
Excuse me. I and my kinsmen have vanquished our enemies by the mighty hand of God, blessed be he.

Praised is his name...

Unto us.

...and glory his graciousness.

Wealthy bounty.

Therefore, to signify my covenant with the one true God I shall on this day circumcise the flesh of my penis. And of you. And you, and of you, and every male who dwelleth hereby.

Excuse me?

I don't know what you mean.

We shall grasp the foreskins of our penises and we shall cut therefrom the extra flesh. Amen.

I don't think I have any extra.

Couldn't we pierce our ears or something?

No, no, no.

So it shall be written, and so it shall be done.

Let me get this straight. You're saying you have too much cock? And you wanna...you know, Abe, it's been a long day, we've all had a lot to drink and I know that this foreskin thing sounds like a good idea now, but you might wanna sleep on it. We can always cut it off in the morning. But if we do it now, there's just no way to get it back on there.

No, no, no, trust me, it's gonna be a very, very sleek look.

This is gonna catch on. I'm gonna go get my good knife...just wait right there. I'll be right back to cut your penises...not the whole thing, you understand. Just the very tip...and after, we're all gonna have wine and sponge cake.
 
2013-12-03 10:06:23 AM

orclover: Circumcision is slowly on its way out and people who are circumcised will do farking anything to keep it mainstream.  Even push junk science in a aids ridden country in a hope that it will catch on.  No matter how many people it kills.

Somehow getting circumcised turns you into a enormous asshole that hates his fellow humans and makes them want to mutilate babies is what I am trying to say.


I'm circumcised. I'm not trying to push it on anyone. In fact, when my wife was pregnant I told her in no uncertain terms that if she gave birth to a boy he would not be getting circumcised unless he decided he wanted to be, as I should have been given the same option.
 
2013-12-03 10:08:16 AM

machoprogrammer: Yeah, those scientists who do peer reviewed studies sure love to pass junk science


jshine: orclover: Circumcision is slowly on its way out and people who are circumcised will do farking anything to keep it mainstream.  Even push junk science in a aids ridden country in a hope that it will catch on.  No matter how many people it kills.

Somehow getting circumcised turns you into a enormous asshole that hates his fellow humans and makes them want to mutilate babies is what I am trying to say.

It's a fairly well-known finding.  E.g.,

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2502151
The correlation between these two variables in 37 African countries was high (R = 0.9; P less than 0.001). This finding is consistent with existing clinic-based studies that indicate a lower risk of HIV infection among circumcised males.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22210632
The efficacy of male circumcision for HIV prevention over 2 years has been demonstrated in three randomized trials...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18705758
Male circumcision is an effective strategy for reducing new male HIV infections.

etc., etc.

I mean, if you want to go all Glenn Beck and just ignore science you don't like while shouting "conspiracy!", that's always your option, but there are lots of studies that show the same effect.


aaaand here come the circumcised out of the woodwork to attack any dissenting opinion, just like clockwork!  Sorry your mommy and daddy chopped off your wiener.  Please stop taking it out on everybody else's kids.

/study it out!
 
2013-12-03 10:14:08 AM

orclover: /study it out!


Ahh, of course -- a troll.  Congrats, I guess.
 
2013-12-03 10:16:02 AM

SquiggsIN: How does a man's circumcision limit the spread of HIV/AIDS?

Personally, I think it's a barbaric practice that serves absolutely no practice in the modern world.  FGM, is far, far worse on par with torture.

Did i miss something in the article?


This should work about as well as "Just Say No."
Unless the theory is that with your foreskin recently whacked off with third-world techniques, you're not going to want to fark anything for awhile.
 
2013-12-03 10:16:50 AM

orclover: machoprogrammer: Yeah, those scientists who do peer reviewed studies sure love to pass junk science

jshine: orclover: Circumcision is slowly on its way out and people who are circumcised will do farking anything to keep it mainstream.  Even push junk science in a aids ridden country in a hope that it will catch on.  No matter how many people it kills.

Somehow getting circumcised turns you into a enormous asshole that hates his fellow humans and makes them want to mutilate babies is what I am trying to say.

It's a fairly well-known finding.  E.g.,

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2502151
The correlation between these two variables in 37 African countries was high (R = 0.9; P less than 0.001). This finding is consistent with existing clinic-based studies that indicate a lower risk of HIV infection among circumcised males.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22210632
The efficacy of male circumcision for HIV prevention over 2 years has been demonstrated in three randomized trials...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18705758
Male circumcision is an effective strategy for reducing new male HIV infections.

etc., etc.

I mean, if you want to go all Glenn Beck and just ignore science you don't like while shouting "conspiracy!", that's always your option, but there are lots of studies that show the same effect.

aaaand here come the circumcised out of the woodwork to attack any dissenting opinion, just like clockwork!  Sorry your mommy and daddy chopped off your wiener.  Please stop taking it out on everybody else's kids.

/study it out!


Do you have counter-studies?

Because the (extremely small) cost seems to be completely outweighed by the medical benefits. It seems, from everything I've read, that the objections are more emotional and cultural than scientific.
 
2013-12-03 10:24:57 AM

jshine: orclover: Circumcision is slowly on its way out and people who are circumcised will do farking anything to keep it mainstream.  Even push junk science in a aids ridden country in a hope that it will catch on.  No matter how many people it kills.

Somehow getting circumcised turns you into a enormous asshole that hates his fellow humans and makes them want to mutilate babies is what I am trying to say.

It's a fairly well-known finding.  E.g.,

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2502151
The correlation between these two variables in 37 African countries was high (R = 0.9; P less than 0.001). This finding is consistent with existing clinic-based studies that indicate a lower risk of HIV infection among circumcised males.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22210632
The efficacy of male circumcision for HIV prevention over 2 years has been demonstrated in three randomized trials...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18705758
Male circumcision is an effective strategy for reducing new male HIV infections.

etc., etc.

I mean, if you want to go all Glenn Beck and just ignore science you don't like while shouting "conspiracy!", that's always your option, but there are lots of studies that show the same effect.


so circumcision is achieving this how?  cause the men have lesser sex drives after being circumcised ? cause the Rwandan ladies find clipped penis unappealing?

/honest questions, dnr your links
 
2013-12-03 10:31:34 AM

SquiggsIN: How does a man's circumcision limit the spread of HIV/AIDS?

Personally, I think it's a barbaric practice that serves absolutely no practice in the modern world.  FGM, is far, far worse on par with torture.

Did i miss something in the article?


The pro-circ folks would say that it's a difference between pigmented and non-pigmented skin. Some would point to a dried and crusted-over (keratinized) mucous membrane being more difficult to infiltrate with viral pathogens. Both points are strictly correct, yet pale next to looming behavioral factors. It's like arguing over the origin of the word "children" in the phrase "women and children first" while the ship sinks.

I'd prefer to forgo the 0.00015% nudge away from HIV/AIDS that MGM will give me and instead use the 99.99999% bump I get from practicing responsible sexual interactions. I don't need blood and I don't regularly deal with bodily fluids or blood, so the behavioral vector is for me the largest single pathway HIV/AIDS has to overcome.

Of course, when I see threads about MGM and the ensuing horror stories about, "ZOMG! Phimosis and infection every-whaar," I can but think of the following image:

www.troll.me
 
2013-12-03 10:32:55 AM

jshine: PunGent: CITATION NEEDED

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/policies/law/risk.html


Does that qualify as "very low" to you, which is what I was responding to?

Would YOU stick it in there?
 
2013-12-03 10:33:29 AM

vudukungfu: How about condoms?


Because Jesus in a Bantu accent?
 
2013-12-03 10:33:49 AM

machoprogrammer: PunGent: lewismarktwo: The spread of AIDS to from female to male is very low in the first place, even lower if you don't have a bunch of loose dick skin to get torn.  Sorry, but it's true.

CITATION NEEDED

It doesn't matter how much they cut off; sticking it in the Crack of Doom is a bad idea.

He is right, vaginal sex has a very low chance of transmission per encounter. 5 in 10000 chance is 1 in 2000. Of course, that is per encounter, so the more you do it, the more likely it is to transmit.


Same question for you:  are those odds low enough for you?

If so, you're not invited to my next orgy :)
 
2013-12-03 10:34:02 AM
(FTA: it seems to be a no-cut Plastibell-type derivative. Concentric rings snap shut, and days later your necrotic flesh drops off.)
 
2013-12-03 10:34:08 AM

inner ted: jshine: orclover: Circumcision is slowly on its way out and people who are circumcised will do farking anything to keep it mainstream.  Even push junk science in a aids ridden country in a hope that it will catch on.  No matter how many people it kills.

Somehow getting circumcised turns you into a enormous asshole that hates his fellow humans and makes them want to mutilate babies is what I am trying to say.

It's a fairly well-known finding.  E.g.,

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2502151
The correlation between these two variables in 37 African countries was high (R = 0.9; P less than 0.001). This finding is consistent with existing clinic-based studies that indicate a lower risk of HIV infection among circumcised males.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22210632
The efficacy of male circumcision for HIV prevention over 2 years has been demonstrated in three randomized trials...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18705758
Male circumcision is an effective strategy for reducing new male HIV infections.

etc., etc.

I mean, if you want to go all Glenn Beck and just ignore science you don't like while shouting "conspiracy!", that's always your option, but there are lots of studies that show the same effect.

so circumcision is achieving this how?  cause the men have lesser sex drives after being circumcised ? cause the Rwandan ladies find clipped penis unappealing?

/honest questions, dnr your links


Less thin and weak skin to tear and allow fluid transfer into the dick haver's blood stream.
 
2013-12-03 10:36:55 AM

Gecko Gingrich: orclover: Circumcision is slowly on its way out and people who are circumcised will do farking anything to keep it mainstream.  Even push junk science in a aids ridden country in a hope that it will catch on.  No matter how many people it kills.

Somehow getting circumcised turns you into a enormous asshole that hates his fellow humans and makes them want to mutilate babies is what I am trying to say.

I'm circumcised. I'm not trying to push it on anyone. In fact, when my wife was pregnant I told her in no uncertain terms that if she gave birth to a boy he would not be getting circumcised unless he decided he wanted to be, as I should have been given the same option.


Congratulations on being smarter than a monotheist. When my son turns 18, he's free to mutilate himself as he sees fit. We'll miss his missing bits, but it will be no longer our call or our concern.
 
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