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(MLive.com)   Despite the ability to "shut that whole thing down," Republicans propose women buy rape insurance   (mlive.com) divider line 374
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2013-12-03 11:08:37 AM  

serial_crusher: Do they do that for tubal ligation or are you referring to the pill as a "fix"? Not a fair comparison between one-time surgery and a daily prescription.
But if it's actually the surgeries, the only excuse I can think of is that girl parts are more expensive to operate on. The vasectomy happens right there in the doctors office, right? Snip snip and you're done. Tube tying is a full on surgery. (Probably still cheaper than a baby or abortions though)


IIRC my tubal (in Michigan in about 2006) was about $4000. With insurance it was about $30, but I doubt anyone's gonna get that kind of deal. It was a full-on hospital bed, hot feeling in the arm from the anasthetic, wheel me in and so forth deal.

Also, from what I've heard on the Farks, many doctors refuse to do tubals for young women (like under 70) or women who haven't had kids.
 
2013-12-03 11:09:23 AM  
I love Republicans.  I can't think of ANY circumstance where mentioning rape in any context has turned out well for them.  Yet they consistently feel the need to do it every few months, apparently in some grand quest to be the first political party with absolutely zero female votes in an election.

//rape insurance?  seriously?
 
2013-12-03 11:10:50 AM  

balloot: //rape insurance?  seriously?


the only "rape insurance a woman needs is purposeful dis-memberment.
 
2013-12-03 11:10:59 AM  

Maud Dib: [www.dvdtalk.com image 400x300]

Like a she-bear protecting her cubs, you can protect your uterus with an insurance policy from Mutual of Omaha....
Yes, I'm old.


Hey I loved that show.
 
2013-12-03 11:11:45 AM  
So if a women is raped and doesn't get pregnant is she still covered? There are lots of expenses associated with rape even if she isn't pregnant. Does that mean she has to keep getting raped until she is pregnant so she can be covered. I'm so confused. Why don't we like women?
 
2013-12-03 11:11:58 AM  

I_C_Weener: mrshowrules: Tricky Chicken: And while rape insurance is crazy, I do think that if a woman is raped, any expenses she incurrs (medical, counseling, whatever) as a result should be covered, probably by the state.

I agree and you realize this includes all abortions of under-aged women.

I'm against aborting under age women.


But you're fine with aborting underage men?

Or are you just against the basic principles of grammar, in addition to stubbornly trying to make this thread be about what you want it to be about, rather than what it actually IS about?
 
2013-12-03 11:12:10 AM  

Bareefer Obonghit: Mary couldn't wait for the insurance adjuster to come by sometime between 4 & 11 PM to evaluate the damage and decide if her womb was totaled.


That'll buff right out.
 
2013-12-03 11:12:16 AM  
I propose that Republicans, conservatives, and independents get themselves ball-kicking insurance, because at this point I am dead set to kick every one I see right in the jimmy sack.

/seriously, fark YOU fark YOU fark YOU
 
2013-12-03 11:14:18 AM  

Bareefer Obonghit: I_C_Weener: [deanwintersfans.files.wordpress.com image 850x478]

Mayhem gets raped?

He shouldn't have been running around the neighborhood dressed like that, asking for it.


I love you.
 
2013-12-03 11:15:29 AM  
Heh, I see how this is going to go if they pass this.

Step 2:  Call for boycotts against any insurance company that offers abortion coverage policies.
Step 3:  Require that the names of anyone with one of these policies be public information.
Step 4:  Outlaw the state and any state employees union from holding policies with any company that offers abortion coverage policies.
Step 5:  Outlaw any company that offers abortion coverage policies from offering any policies through the Obamacare exchanges.
 
2013-12-03 11:18:04 AM  

I_C_Weener: whistleridge: However, it IS insurance that doesn't cover abortion in the instance of rape, save if you get a rider. And that rider would be de facto rape insurance.

I get car insurance...but it doesn't cover flat tires...even flat tires caused by pot holes instead of angry ex-girlfriends...without a rider.  That doesn't make the rider pothole insurance.  That makes it flat tire insurance.


That's not a hair! It's a filamentous biomaterial protruding from your scalp via follicles!

You wouldn't call it follicle insurance would you!
 
2013-12-03 11:18:05 AM  
Rape Insurance


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2013-12-03 11:18:48 AM  
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2013-12-03 11:18:52 AM  

whistleridge: lennavan: whistleridge: Rape is a horrible thing. Yes, it's being *slightly* blown up, but you and I are both dudes: we don't have the first damn idea of what we're talking about, not really.

I agree you have no idea what you are talking about but it's different than what you think.  Men get raped too.  See for instance: prison.

Men do in fact get raped. Especially in prison. But they don't get pregnant from it, and therefore the current matter of conversation doesn't apply to them. Thank you for playing though.

When we're talking about paying for AIDS contracted through rape, men get a seat at the table.


Well men are on the hook for support so it isn't fair to say they have no interest in this topic
 
2013-12-03 11:18:55 AM  

mainstreet62: SurfaceTension: It's all good, I've got rape insurance!

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What? She's not *ugly.* And the panty woman has flat abs. So settle down there, Studman.
 
2013-12-03 11:19:07 AM  

yanoosh: So if a women is raped and doesn't get pregnant is she still covered? There are lots of expenses associated with rape even if she isn't pregnant. Does that mean she has to keep getting raped until she is pregnant so she can be covered. I'm so confused. Why don't we like women?


Even if she doesn't get pregnant, I think Republicans would support the insurance covering educational courses for the woman to ensure she knows how she brought on the rape and how she can be more wholesome and less provocative in the future.

Perhaps also cover some type of sexual seregate for the husband if applicable for the 2 to 5 days that his wife is in recovering and  rethinking her part in the whole thing.
 
2013-12-03 11:19:22 AM  

I_C_Weener: Stop and frisk is already legal in New York!


Stop and abort™ could be the next big Obama initiative.
 
2013-12-03 11:21:27 AM  

mrshowrules: Tricky Chicken: And while rape insurance is crazy, I do think that if a woman is raped, any expenses she incurrs (medical, counseling, whatever) as a result should be covered, probably by the state.

I agree and you realize this includes all abortions of under-aged women.


I do, and still think that everything should be done to help a victim recover as best as possible. If she wishes to have an abortion, so be it.  She should probably be given counselling first just incase she might regret that decision later.  That type of stuff should be figured out by mental health professionals, not me though.  Whatever it takes to give them the best chance at the best possible recovery.

runin800m: Tricky Chicken: And while rape insurance is crazy, I do think that if a woman is raped, any expenses she incurrs (medical, counseling, whatever) as a result should be covered, probably by the state.

I'm probably going to sound like an asshole here, but why is that the states responsibility? If I'm assaulted and beaten the state isn't going to cover my medical bills because I was the victim of a crime. Why should this one crime be any different?


Well, first, you don't sound like an ass to me.  It is a legitimate point.  I (this is purely just me now) think the state is responsible for providing a generally safe environment for people to live in.  that would include protecting us from crime.  If you are the victim of a crime, you should be made whole.  If there is a crime of violence against your person, you should be made whole to the best extent possible, to include healthcare and counselling.

If it is a property crime, that should be handled with property insurance. But I don't think you could possibly consider rape a property crime.
 
2013-12-03 11:21:31 AM  
If a rape baby is a gift from God, shouldn't there be insurance for women who never get a chance to have this gift?
 
2013-12-03 11:22:53 AM  
I hope the GOP can survive an increase of women in "power" positions.

I've never really understood militant feminism - but after yesterday's really ugly annual check-up and the on-going hateful right-wing focus on women and reproductive health (combined with some posts here on FARK) I am beginning to get it.

Continuing attempts to make restrictive/absurd/expensive laws regarding women will result in more vocal, politically active women - and they will all be called ""feminazis"
 
2013-12-03 11:24:09 AM  

mrshowrules: If a rape baby is a gift from God, shouldn't there be insurance for women who never get a chance to have this gift?


God also gives you the flu and malaria and floods and earthquakes and sunburn and ingrown toenails...
 
2013-12-03 11:24:37 AM  

Warlordtrooper: Well men are on the hook for support so it isn't fair to say they have no interest in this topic


I'm not sure a civil obligation gets you a seat at a table where basic human rights are being discussed.  That being said, I don't even think women should get a seat at a discussion where we're talking about forcing someone to do something with their bodies without an extremely good reason.  That should just, by default, be a decision one individual gets to make about their own body purely on the virtue that they're a human being and that we value human rights.
 
2013-12-03 11:25:44 AM  

mrshowrules: If a rape baby is a gift from God, shouldn't there be insurance for women who never get a chance to have this gift?


Would it be cheaper to pay them out or just have them casually date a former SF mayor?
 
2013-12-03 11:27:46 AM  

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2013-12-03 11:28:33 AM  
I can at least understand the pro-life people who go out and shoot abortion doctors. They see the clinic as a house of horrors, wherein hundreds or thousands of babies are being murdered every year, and decide to be a hero and save some lives. In their own warped mind, they're doing something noble. The other ones, I don't understand all that much, and I think I hate them more because of how big of hypocrites they are about the whole thing.

You're a pro-lifer who thinks abortion should be illegal except in cases of rape or incest?
Congratulations, you're in favor of murdering only certain kinds of babies.

You're a pro-lifer who can't make abortion illegal, but instead protest outside clinics?
Congratulations, you yelled at a woman murdering her baby and did nothing to stop it.

You're a pro-lifer who thinks that women shouldn't be tried as murderers for having abortions?
Congratulations, you're an asshole.
 
2013-12-03 11:29:23 AM  

whistleridge: I_C_Weener: mrshowrules: Tricky Chicken: And while rape insurance is crazy, I do think that if a woman is raped, any expenses she incurrs (medical, counseling, whatever) as a result should be covered, probably by the state.

I agree and you realize this includes all abortions of under-aged women.

I'm against aborting under age women.

But you're fine with aborting underage men?

Or are you just against the basic principles of grammar, in addition to stubbornly trying to make this thread be about what you want it to be about, rather than what it actually IS about?


Have you met any underage men?
 
2013-12-03 11:29:28 AM  

Tigger: mainstreet62: We hate Muslims! So, let's treat our women like Muslims treat theirs! GREAT IDEA!

I have always tried to see the better side of humanity, but quite honestly, eugenics is looking more and more appealing as a solution. One could say it's the.....final solution.

We wiped out 50 million uncivilised savages to get this country. It might be time to do this again.



Come to Big Chief Bear's American Flag Blanket EmporiumTM, buy blankets for the whole family.  Free blankets on Thanksgiving and Columbus Day!
 
2013-12-03 11:31:34 AM  

Warlordtrooper: whistleridge: lennavan: whistleridge: Rape is a horrible thing. Yes, it's being *slightly* blown up, but you and I are both dudes: we don't have the first damn idea of what we're talking about, not really.

I agree you have no idea what you are talking about but it's different than what you think.  Men get raped too.  See for instance: prison.

Men do in fact get raped. Especially in prison. But they don't get pregnant from it, and therefore the current matter of conversation doesn't apply to them. Thank you for playing though.

When we're talking about paying for AIDS contracted through rape, men get a seat at the table.

Well men are on the hook for support so it isn't fair to say they have no interest in this topic


It is if they're the rapist. Committing a violent crime is nature's way of saying "I don't get a voice in this anymore"
 
2013-12-03 11:32:03 AM  

utharda: Tigger: mainstreet62: We hate Muslims! So, let's treat our women like Muslims treat theirs! GREAT IDEA!

I have always tried to see the better side of humanity, but quite honestly, eugenics is looking more and more appealing as a solution. One could say it's the.....final solution.

We wiped out 50 million uncivilised savages to get this country. It might be time to do this again.


Come to Big Chief Bear's American Flag Blanket EmporiumTM, buy blankets for the whole family.  Free blankets on Thanksgiving and Columbus Day!


Love it.

These lunatics are already convinced that we're going to put them in FEMA camps and kill them.

I say we just do it anyway and thank them for the idea.
 
2013-12-03 11:32:05 AM  
That there is some despicable big governmentin' but Im pretty sure most women who have abortions aren't aborting rape babies. I could be wrong. I don't have a vagina.
 
2013-12-03 11:34:11 AM  
Is the government making them buy rape insurance, telling them, "if you like your rapist, you can keep your rapist"?
 
2013-12-03 11:34:39 AM  

skullkrusher: I don't have a vagina.


*unfavorite*
 
2013-12-03 11:35:16 AM  
Dear GOP:

Is it really that difficult to *NOT* mention rape for just one day? It never does you any favors.

Hedly Lamarr isn't recruiting today.
 
2013-12-03 11:35:29 AM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: You're a pro-lifer who thinks that women shouldn't be tried as murderers for having abortions?
Congratulations, you're an asshole.


Consistency across the board still doesn't make them anything more than busybodies.
 
2013-12-03 11:36:54 AM  
Surface Tension & neversubmit win 4 life.
 
2013-12-03 11:37:51 AM  

runin800m: Tricky Chicken: And while rape insurance is crazy, I do think that if a woman is raped, any expenses she incurrs (medical, counseling, whatever) as a result should be covered, probably by the state.

I'm probably going to sound like an asshole here, but why is that the states responsibility? If I'm assaulted and beaten the state isn't going to cover my medical bills because I was the victim of a crime. Why should this one crime be any different?


They should cover you for an assault. They should cover it if you get drunk and fall down the stairs. See how single payer would make all of this so much easier?
 
2013-12-03 11:40:05 AM  

runin800m: Tricky Chicken: And while rape insurance is crazy, I do think that if a woman is raped, any expenses she incurrs (medical, counseling, whatever) as a result should be covered, probably by the state.

I'm probably going to sound like an asshole here, but why is that the states responsibility? If I'm assaulted and beaten the state isn't going to cover my medical bills because I was the victim of a crime. Why should this one crime be any different?


How about rapist insurance.  Every individual of legal age has to purchase rape insurance in the event that they rape somebody, there will be a payout to the person raped for expenses?  And so as not to offend the free market Repubs, we'll allow price discrimination. j
 
2013-12-03 11:40:11 AM  

maxheck: Dear GOP:

Is it really that difficult to *NOT* mention rape for just one day? It never does you any favors.

Hedly Lamarr isn't recruiting today.


Female Dem talking about rape here
 
2013-12-03 11:40:32 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Is the government making them buy rape insurance, telling them, "if you like your rapist, you can keep your rapist"?


I guess this joke was inevitable.  LOL anyways.
 
2013-12-03 11:40:45 AM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: I can at least understand the pro-life people who go out and shoot abortion doctors. They see the clinic as a house of horrors, wherein hundreds or thousands of babies are being murdered every year, and decide to be a hero and save some lives. In their own warped mind, they're doing something noble. The other ones, I don't understand all that much, and I think I hate them more because of how big of hypocrites they are about the whole thing.

You're a pro-lifer who thinks abortion should be illegal except in cases of rape or incest?
Congratulations, you're in favor of murdering only certain kinds of babies.

You're a pro-lifer who can't make abortion illegal, but instead protest outside clinics?
Congratulations, you yelled at a woman murdering her baby and did nothing to stop it.

You're a pro-lifer who thinks that women shouldn't be tried as murderers for having abortions?
Congratulations, you're an asshole.


they aren't much different than the Musims who would rape a woman, then stone her for "adultery"
GOP will rape them, then slut-shame them, and deny them birth control.
 
2013-12-03 11:40:50 AM  
How's that Rape Foot taste, 'Pubs?  You guys sure do like stuffing it in your mouth.
 
2013-12-03 11:42:09 AM  
"Requiring Michigan women to plan ahead for an unplanned pregnancy is not only illogical, it's one of the most misogynistic proposals I have ever seen in the Michigan Legislature."

The whole purpose of insurance is to cover for unplanned events that have a possible (though unlikely) chance of happening. It's not illogical. It's just you don't understand the definitions of the things you argue about.

Same reason why some people, including cops, carry weapons. They know they won't use them 99.99% of the time but that 0.01% when they do use them, it'll be very important. It's not that they plan on shooting someone. It's insurance.
 
2013-12-03 11:42:36 AM  

skullkrusher: That there is some despicable big governmentin' but Im pretty sure most women who have abortions aren't aborting rape babies. I could be wrong. I don't have a vagina.


There are stats on that.  Keep in mind that any women under the age of consent is a victim of statutory rape.  I think it accounts for nearly half if not more of abortions.
 
2013-12-03 11:43:39 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: You're a pro-lifer who thinks that women shouldn't be tried as murderers for having abortions?
Congratulations, you're an asshole.

Consistency across the board still doesn't make them anything more than busybodies.


The only pro-lifer I've ever met who wasn't an asshole about it is my old buddy Jeff. Jeff is a Catholic who thinks that women should have easy access to free birth control, because the best way to prevent abortions is to make sure women don't get pregnant in the first place. He also thinks that ALL abortions are wrong because if abortion is murder, it's ALWAYS murder. That being said, he knows that banning abortion won't prevent abortion, it'll just make abortions unsafe. So he thinks that abortion should remain legal because legalized abortion saves women's lives. So he's actually pro-life in that he wants to support ALL life, not just unborn fetuses. He also thinks we should have single payer insurance that automatically covers everyone in the US, because he's actually pro-life.
 
2013-12-03 11:44:17 AM  

I_C_Weener: serial_crusher: palladiate: I_C_Weener: Having now read the article, it is a "Let's not let abortion be standard in our insurance plans" not a "buy rape insurance" bill.

It's actually "No insurance company can provide this coverage by default in Michigan, not even for cases of rape" bill. It specifically prohibits insurers from offering this coverage in their plans. You'll have to buy a rider if they're even offered, which by the by, aren't cheap.

How do you come to the "aren't cheap" conclusion? Does the bill specify prices?
I could see an insurance company deciding its cheaper to pay for your abortion than it is to pay for your baby, offering it as a free add-on.

True.  But my insurance was happy to "fix" me because I wanted a vasectomy.  But they don't like paying for "fixing" women without a medical necessity.  I don't understand their reasoning.


It is a significantly more expensive invasive and dangerous procedure.
 
2013-12-03 11:45:13 AM  

runin800m: Tricky Chicken: And while rape insurance is crazy, I do think that if a woman is raped, any expenses she incurrs (medical, counseling, whatever) as a result should be covered, probably by the state.

I'm probably going to sound like an asshole here, but why is that the states responsibility? If I'm assaulted and beaten the state isn't going to cover my medical bills because I was the victim of a crime. Why should this one crime be any different?


Actually, many states do have a fund to compensate victims of violent crime.  It is usually underfunded and it takes a long time to receive any money.   Obviously, proof of the crime must be provided and that can be a difficult hurdle especially for traumatized victims.
 
2013-12-03 11:46:46 AM  

Mrbogey: "Requiring Michigan women to plan ahead for an unplanned pregnancy is not only illogical, it's one of the most misogynistic proposals I have ever seen in the Michigan Legislature."

The whole purpose of insurance is to cover for unplanned events that have a possible (though unlikely) chance of happening. It's not illogical. It's just you don't understand the definitions of the things you argue about.

Same reason why some people, including cops, carry weapons. They know they won't use them 99.99% of the time but that 0.01% when they do use them, it'll be very important. It's not that they plan on shooting someone. It's insurance.


I think this woman is in the tank for the GOP
 
2013-12-03 11:47:23 AM  
You know, both sides are, in fact, bad, despite how that overly simplistic argument gets rightfully shot down here on Fark.

Democrats and Republicans both have a long-standing history of being utterly, insanely wrong on matters of economy, the military, social justice, foreign policy, domestic policy - you name it.

BUT

There is only one party that has an appallingly glib, morally confused, utterly repugnant stance on what is arguably the ugliest act one human can perform on another.

http://www.dayswithoutagoprapemention.com/

The comments in the above link are not isolated incidents.  They are not taken out of context.  They are a clear, consistent pattern of dangerously hateful rhetoric.

1 in 3 women are victims of sexual abuse.  No matter who you are, you know victims of sexual abuse.  Many of the women in your life, whom you love and care about, have had to endure an unspeakably heinous invasion of their body and by extension, their minds, souls, and lives, and the lives of their loved ones.

And anyone that is flippant, confused, or ambivalent to this awful act and its consequences, I would assess as ignorant and callous to a sociopathic degree.

Democrats suck, there's no denying that.  But I vote for them because the alternative is, quite literally, the Pro Rape Party.
 
2013-12-03 11:48:00 AM  

mrshowrules: skullkrusher: That there is some despicable big governmentin' but Im pretty sure most women who have abortions aren't aborting rape babies. I could be wrong. I don't have a vagina.

There are stats on that.  Keep in mind that any women under the age of consent is a victim of statutory rape.  I think it accounts for nearly half if not more of abortions.


True. False. Dunno but sounds bullshiat.
 
2013-12-03 11:48:20 AM  

mrshowrules: skullkrusher: That there is some despicable big governmentin' but Im pretty sure most women who have abortions aren't aborting rape babies. I could be wrong. I don't have a vagina.

There are stats on that.  Keep in mind that any women under the age of consent is a victim of statutory rape.  I think it accounts for nearly half if not more of abortions.


It's actually less than 18%. However it is overwhelmingly poor women who get abortions, and from a mathematical point of view, every aborted impoverished fetus is one less mouth we taxpayers have to feed and clothe.
 
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