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(MLive.com)   Despite the ability to "shut that whole thing down," Republicans propose women buy rape insurance   (mlive.com) divider line 374
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2013-12-03 10:36:54 AM  
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2013-12-03 10:37:26 AM  

whistleridge: Rape is a horrible thing. Yes, it's being *slightly* blown up, but you and I are both dudes: we don't have the first damn idea of what we're talking about, not really.


I agree you have no idea what you are talking about but it's different than what you think.  Men get raped too.  See for instance: prison.
 
2013-12-03 10:37:33 AM  

MayoSlather: If every woman were required to carry rape insurance I'm pretty sure my new pick up line would be "Just let it happen, you have insurance."


A gentleman would offer to pay the deductible or co-pay at least.
 
2013-12-03 10:38:41 AM  

Tigger: mainstreet62: We hate Muslims! So, let's treat our women like Muslims treat theirs! GREAT IDEA!

I have always tried to see the better side of humanity, but quite honestly, eugenics is looking more and more appealing as a solution. One could say it's the.....final solution.

We wiped out 50 million uncivilised savages to get this country. It might be time to do this again.


Kardashian fans?
 
2013-12-03 10:38:58 AM  
"Requiring Michigan women to plan ahead for an unplanned pregnancy is not only illogical, it's one of the most misogynistic proposals I have ever seen in the Michigan Legislature."

You planned ahead so it's not unplanned.

"There's no such a thing as self help... if you did it yourself, you didn't need help. You did it yourself!"  -G. Carlin.
 
2013-12-03 10:39:32 AM  

lennavan: whistleridge: Rape is a horrible thing. Yes, it's being *slightly* blown up, but you and I are both dudes: we don't have the first damn idea of what we're talking about, not really.

I agree you have no idea what you are talking about but it's different than what you think.  Men get raped too.  See for instance: prison.


Men do in fact get raped. Especially in prison. But they don't get pregnant from it, and therefore the current matter of conversation doesn't apply to them. Thank you for playing though.

When we're talking about paying for AIDS contracted through rape, men get a seat at the table.
 
2013-12-03 10:39:35 AM  

I_C_Weener: True. But my insurance was happy to "fix" me because I wanted a vasectomy. But they don't like paying for "fixing" women without a medical necessity. I don't understand their reasoning.


Tubal ligation is far more involved than a vasectomy.  It's a proper surgery whereas a vasectomy is pretty much a local anaesthetic/outpatient deal with little risk of serious complication.
 
2013-12-03 10:40:17 AM  

I_C_Weener: serial_crusher: palladiate: I_C_Weener: Having now read the article, it is a "Let's not let abortion be standard in our insurance plans" not a "buy rape insurance" bill.

It's actually "No insurance company can provide this coverage by default in Michigan, not even for cases of rape" bill. It specifically prohibits insurers from offering this coverage in their plans. You'll have to buy a rider if they're even offered, which by the by, aren't cheap.

How do you come to the "aren't cheap" conclusion? Does the bill specify prices?
I could see an insurance company deciding its cheaper to pay for your abortion than it is to pay for your baby, offering it as a free add-on.

True.  But my insurance was happy to "fix" me because I wanted a vasectomy.  But they don't like paying for "fixing" women without a medical necessity.  I don't understand their reasoning.


Do they do that for tubal ligation or are you referring to the pill as a "fix"? Not a fair comparison between one-time surgery and a daily prescription.
But if it's actually the surgeries, the only excuse I can think of is that girl parts are more expensive to operate on. The vasectomy happens right there in the doctors office, right? Snip snip and you're done. Tube tying is a full on surgery. (Probably still cheaper than a baby or abortions though)
 
2013-12-03 10:40:38 AM  

gopher321: How about if you all come up with 'Republican' insurance? Next time the GOP are elected, the insurance companies have to pay out. Don't know what the premiums would be, but it might be worth it.

/dumb idea of the week


Not a dumb idea.  You could probably sell thousands of policies.  Here is an article about the real cost to immigrate to Canada.  Just base the payout on that.

http://correresmidestino.com/how-much-does-immigrating-to-canada-cos t/
 
2013-12-03 10:40:44 AM  

Bareefer Obonghit: Mary couldn't wait for the insurance adjuster to come by sometime between 4 & 11 PM to evaluate the damage and decide if her womb was totaled.


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2013-12-03 10:41:24 AM  

whistleridge: lennavan: whistleridge: Rape is a horrible thing. Yes, it's being *slightly* blown up, but you and I are both dudes: we don't have the first damn idea of what we're talking about, not really.

I agree you have no idea what you are talking about but it's different than what you think.  Men get raped too.  See for instance: prison.

Men do in fact get raped. Especially in prison. But they don't get pregnant from it, and therefore the current matter of conversation doesn't apply to them. Thank you for playing though.

When we're talking about paying for AIDS contracted through rape, men get a seat at the table.



When you posted:

"Rape is a horrible thing. Yes, it's being *slightly* blown up, but you and I are both dudes: we don't have the first damn idea of what we're talking about, not really."

I assumed you were talking about rape and not pregnancy because you used the word rape and never used the word pregnancy.

WTF was I thinking?
 
2013-12-03 10:41:46 AM  

whistleridge: I_C_Weener: whistleridge: However, it IS insurance that doesn't cover abortion in the instance of rape, save if you get a rider. And that rider would be de facto rape insurance.

I get car insurance...but it doesn't cover flat tires...even flat tires caused by pot holes instead of angry ex-girlfriends...without a rider.  That doesn't make the rider pothole insurance.  That makes it flat tire insurance.

Your car isn't human, and doesn't get psychological damage from a flat tire. It doesn't sleep in terror of you if you drive it over a nail.

Rape is a horrible thing. Yes, it's being *slightly* blown up, but you and I are both dudes: we don't have the first damn idea of what we're talking about, not really. I say we see their point, rather than quibble over the semantics of it, and alter the plan accordingly.


It isn't semantics when you accuse a man or murder vs. self-defense.  Same thing here.  This isn't about rape coverage.  Its about abortion coverage...all abortion coverage.   Quit making me think you are hysterical when you want to focus on the evil buzz words thinking the audience won't pay attention to see its actually a bit more than just rape coverage.
 
2013-12-03 10:43:20 AM  
LOL, christianity
 
2013-12-03 10:43:56 AM  

mrshowrules: Not a dumb idea. You could probably sell thousands of policies. Here is an article about the real cost to immigrate to Canada. Just base the payout on that.


Just please, please... if you immigrate to Canada adjust your political spectrum.  Years of living in the US will probably have caused you to think that the Dems are left wing.  Our conservative party is pretty much what a "moderate" Democrat would be, except even they won't overtly attack socialized medicine.
 
2013-12-03 10:44:53 AM  

lennavan: whistleridge: lennavan: whistleridge: Rape is a horrible thing. Yes, it's being *slightly* blown up, but you and I are both dudes: we don't have the first damn idea of what we're talking about, not really.

I agree you have no idea what you are talking about but it's different than what you think.  Men get raped too.  See for instance: prison.

Men do in fact get raped. Especially in prison. But they don't get pregnant from it, and therefore the current matter of conversation doesn't apply to them. Thank you for playing though.

When we're talking about paying for AIDS contracted through rape, men get a seat at the table.

When you posted:

"Rape is a horrible thing. Yes, it's being *slightly* blown up, but you and I are both dudes: we don't have the first damn idea of what we're talking about, not really."

I assumed you were talking about rape and not pregnancy because you used the word rape and never used the word pregnancy.

WTF was I thinking?


That my comment was in the context of the thread, which is in turn in the context of the article in question? Because otherwise, you weren't. 

If you're not here to talk about the ins and outs rape, pregnancy resulting from rape, aborting said pregnancy, and how/who pays for it, you're either trolling, or you're an idiot.
 
2013-12-03 10:44:54 AM  

Bareefer Obonghit: Mary couldn't wait for the insurance adjuster to come by sometime between 4 & 11 PM to evaluate the damage and decide if her womb was totaled.


This can only lead to a proliferation of large black dildos and rape insurance fraud as people claim they lost some expensive jewelry up in there.
 
2013-12-03 10:46:02 AM  

I_C_Weener: Citation needed.


Wait, now cops can write you a ticket if you don't have rape insurance?
 
2013-12-03 10:47:08 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: LOL, christianity


Divine Rape.
 
2013-12-03 10:47:46 AM  

flucto: serial_crusher: Here's the thing. If you're raped, it should be the rapists insurance paying for the abortion. Like the at-fault driver in a car accident. Maybe the republicans could compromise by including "uninsured rapist" coverage by default.

New York is a "no fault" state.


And in MD, if you rear-end someone, you're automatically at fault. I like this plan (and am kind of surprised it's not done already - why should a victim's insurance pay for a rapist's damages? Side question: can a victim sue a her rapist in civil court, before suring or after the criminal trial?).

// of course, if you rear-end someone rapily, chances of pregnancy drop precipitously
// also, do we have additional coverage for other felonies perpetrated against us? Murder insurance? Assault insurance? Failure to file tax return insurance? Driving while black insurance? (Though that may actually be a thing - anyone compared auto insurance costs between racial groups?)
 
2013-12-03 10:47:55 AM  
Shouldn't this be a mandatory part of your Obamacare insurance? It is a health issue too right?  And to spread the risk around, men will have to buy it too like they have to have maternity insurance.  I mean, a man is far more likely to get raped than pregnant.
 
2013-12-03 10:47:58 AM  

Mercutio74: Our conservative party is pretty much what a "moderate" Democrat would be, except even they won't overtly attack socialized medicine.


Aren't your "moderate Democrats" currently doing their best to eviscerate science and education funding?
 
2013-12-03 10:49:00 AM  
I've got it! Let's have insurance providers cover women's contraception and strongly encourage people to use it. Then we don't have to worry so much about abortion being used outside of cases of rape or medical necessity. A simple, common sense solution that everyone can get on board with.
 
2013-12-03 10:49:02 AM  

I_C_Weener: It isn't semantics when you accuse a man or murder vs. self-defense.  Same thing here.  This isn't about rape coverage.  Its about abortion coverage...all abortion coverage.   Quit making me think you are hysterical when you want to focus on the evil buzz words thinking the audience won't pay attention to see its actually a bit more than just rape coverage.


Technically, it's 'about' how to pay for abortions in the instance of rape. But you're right; it's really 'about' all abortion coverage.

But why stop there? Let's be honest and go a few steps further. In that sense, it's REALLY 'about' control of women, which is in turn REALLY 'about' old rich white men being terrified that they might no longer have a monopoly on power in this country, so they're quite literally using every trick in the book to try and restrict the power of others so that they might retain said monopoly a little longer.

I can do slippery slopes too. Let's just stick to the topic at hand, hm?
 
2013-12-03 10:49:54 AM  

serial_crusher: I could see an insurance company deciding its cheaper to pay for your abortion than it is to pay for your baby, offering it as a free add-on.


Sort of an aside to this conversation, I suspect that the "children are automatically added to your health insurance until they're 26" part of the ACA regulations has pretty much every plan in the US covering most of the cost of abortions now.
 
2013-12-03 10:50:05 AM  
FTA: The nonprofit has scheduled a press conference for Tuesday morning at the Michigan Capitol that will feature "sexual assault victims and individuals conceived in rape" who represent Save the 1, a national group that argues against exceptions in abortion policies.

This makes absolutely no sense.  They are alive because their mothers chose to keep them, not because abortion wasn't an option, so making abortion illegal in the case of rape wouldn't have made a difference.  They credit their relative success with simply being born, but ignore the fact that they were born to a woman who made the choice to keep them.

If anything, this position is more in line with legalizing rape than outlawing abortion.  They can't say "I wouldn't be alive if my mother had been allowed to get an abortion", because they were allowed to get abortions, they just didn't.  They can only say "I wouldn't be alive if my mother had been allowed to say 'no'."
 
2013-12-03 10:51:32 AM  

odinsposse: I've got it! Let's have insurance providers cover women's contraception and strongly encourage people to use it. Then we don't have to worry so much about abortion being used outside of cases of rape or medical necessity. A simple, common sense solution that everyone can get on board with.


But...but...everybody knows contraception IS abortion.
 
2013-12-03 10:52:06 AM  

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"From my cold, dead hands!"


You see, if you denigrate a human being--or in this case the uterus of a human being--then it's easier to for the government to control it, to own it.

If only the women-haters could get Disney Studios to put buck teeth and thick glasses on vaginas. That kind of propaganda worked against the Japanese in WWII. And we know women are just the Yellow Peril with tits.
 
2013-12-03 10:52:30 AM  
Jesus...I thought Missouri was farked up but at least our legistators are just lazy and do nothing.  They are not actively trying to piss off more than half the state voters.

Again, can someone explain how a woman, especially in Michigan now would ever vote for one of these guys again if they decide to pass this law?
 
2013-12-03 10:52:33 AM  
And while rape insurance is crazy, I do think that if a woman is raped, any expenses she incurrs (medical, counseling, whatever) as a result should be covered, probably by the state.
 
2013-12-03 10:53:09 AM  
Your company covered me... so go ahead and rape me.
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2013-12-03 10:53:50 AM  

qorkfiend: Aren't your "moderate Democrats" currently doing their best to eviscerate science and education funding?


Mostly science and education as it relates to criticism of the gov't or affecting what the Cons might like to say or do publicly.  It's less ideological and more Machiavellian.

That being said, it was more of a law of averages thing.  For example, the Cons aren't openly anti-socialized medicine.  But they are pro-throw everyone in jail for anything.

/also, by "moderate Dem" I was thinking more in terms of the Blue Dogs.
//Also, to be fair, the Cons are getting worse as time goes on here.  They might start crossing the American aisle soon and become GOP clones, but that would take another majority gov't to complete that transformation
 
2013-12-03 10:54:48 AM  

Tricky Chicken: And while rape insurance is crazy, I do think that if a woman is raped, any expenses she incurrs (medical, counseling, whatever) as a result should be covered, probably by the state.


I agree and you realize this includes all abortions of under-aged women.
 
2013-12-03 10:55:38 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: If only the women-haters could get Disney Studios to put buck teeth and thick glasses on vaginas.


4Chan on the case.
 
2013-12-03 10:56:48 AM  
I thought Republicans called that a gun?

/ducks, runs like hades
 
2013-12-03 10:57:23 AM  

Tricky Chicken: And while rape insurance is crazy, I do think that if a woman is raped, any expenses she incurrs (medical, counseling, whatever) as a result should be covered, probably by the state.


Only as a subset of the fact that  all basic care in a civilized nation should be covered by the state.  Basically if it's a procedure that more than a couple thousand people get in a year and it's non-elective, or it's rare but falls within reasonable cost limits, the state should cover it and pull the funding from taxes.

Having the state foot the bill only in the case of crimes committed is sort of an invitation to unscrupulous people to lie about being victims to get free stuff, and we've got enough of that kind of crap as it is in sexual assault cases already, thanks.
 
2013-12-03 10:59:16 AM  
It's all good, I've got rape insurance!

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2013-12-03 11:00:22 AM  
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2013-12-03 11:01:16 AM  

Mercutio74: I just don't get it.  If I ran an insurance company (thankfully I don't have that kind of soul killing job where you have to choose profit or principles) I would be falling all over myself to offer abortion procedures to anyone who wanted them (even men, just to be safe).  If you force a woman you're covering to have an unwanted baby, that baby becomes a dependent...  basically, a liability to your bottom line.


Hence the right-wing panic over insurance covering abortion.  It's all "Government stay out of business!" until business decisions result in something they don't like.
 
2013-12-03 11:01:16 AM  

whistleridge: I_C_Weener: It isn't semantics when you accuse a man or murder vs. self-defense.  Same thing here.  This isn't about rape coverage.  Its about abortion coverage...all abortion coverage.   Quit making me think you are hysterical when you want to focus on the evil buzz words thinking the audience won't pay attention to see its actually a bit more than just rape coverage.

Technically, it's 'about' how to pay for abortions in the instance of rape. But you're right; it's really 'about' all abortion coverage.

But why stop there? Let's be honest and go a few steps further. In that sense, it's REALLY 'about' control of women, which is in turn REALLY 'about' old rich white men being terrified that they might no longer have a monopoly on power in this country, so they're quite literally using every trick in the book to try and restrict the power of others so that they might retain said monopoly a little longer.

I can do slippery slopes too. Let's just stick to the topic at hand, hm?


Right. Abortion coverage.
 
2013-12-03 11:01:34 AM  
The time has finally come to equip women with these, since the Republicans constantly have rape on their minds despite the fact that it is against the law.

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Any excess fluids are the woman's responsibility. I recommend windshield washer fluid and some Rain-X wipers.
 
2013-12-03 11:03:12 AM  

SurfaceTension: It's all good, I've got rape insurance!

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2013-12-03 11:03:53 AM  

SurfaceTension: It's all good, I've got rape insurance!

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neversubmit: [www.bartcop.com image 749x472]


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2013-12-03 11:03:55 AM  

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Like a she-bear protecting her cubs, you can protect your uterus with an insurance policy from Mutual of Omaha....


Yes, I'm old.
 
2013-12-03 11:04:24 AM  

Fafai: This whole rape thing is great for raping women but what if I told you we could profit from it too?


cuz capitalism is the 'murican way!
 
2013-12-03 11:05:07 AM  

flucto: I_C_Weener: Citation needed.

Wait, now cops can write you a ticket if you don't have rape insurance?


Stop and frisk is already legal in New York! Who is to say they won't stop before checking the insurability of my package?
 
2013-12-03 11:05:44 AM  
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2013-12-03 11:06:13 AM  

mainstreet62: SurfaceTension: It's all good, I've got rape insurance!

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neversubmit: [www.bartcop.com image 749x472]

OH GOD WHY DID YOU BOTH POST CONSECUTIVELY! NOW I SEE FLO WEARING PANTIES!!!

GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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Lol. I never would have noticed if you hadn't said anything.

Um...at least she doesn't have a camel toe? In fact, she appears to have undergone Type III excision.
 
2013-12-03 11:07:04 AM  
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2013-12-03 11:07:26 AM  

Tricky Chicken: And while rape insurance is crazy, I do think that if a woman is raped, any expenses she incurrs (medical, counseling, whatever) as a result should be covered, probably by the state.


I'm probably going to sound like an asshole here, but why is that the states responsibility? If I'm assaulted and beaten the state isn't going to cover my medical bills because I was the victim of a crime. Why should this one crime be any different?
 
2013-12-03 11:07:44 AM  

mrshowrules: Tricky Chicken: And while rape insurance is crazy, I do think that if a woman is raped, any expenses she incurrs (medical, counseling, whatever) as a result should be covered, probably by the state.

I agree and you realize this includes all abortions of under-aged women.


I'm against aborting under age women.
 
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