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2013-12-03 08:18:06 AM
He was standing still, and all of an inch onto the field (upon further review.) Dude farked up, and is gonna get smacked hard for it, but assuming it was somehow intentional cheating is just reading in to make you feel good.

He didn't affect the outcome of the play, or the game. Even Jones said this. He just looked like a moron. On the upshot, his actions will likely get the league to start enforcing the white-line limit overall, which should be good.

I'm wondering if he'll be fined more or less than the guy who actually tripped a player.

Sports fans are a little nuts sometimes. Enjoy my $.02 as a more-neutral party.
 
2013-12-03 08:26:12 AM
Even Kimo von Oelhoffen thought that was a cheap tactic.
 
2013-12-03 09:21:12 AM

EyeballKid: Even Kimo von Oelhoffen thought that was a cheap tactic.


Thank you!
 
2013-12-03 09:39:48 AM

LasersHurt: but assuming it was somehow intentional cheating is just reading in to make you feel good.


He was watching the jumbotron, of course it was intentional cheating.  In fact, there is no other kind of cheating.
 
2013-12-03 09:40:18 AM
LasersHurt:
Sports fans are a little nuts sometimes. Enjoy my $.02 as a more-neutral party.

Location: PA

Though I suppose, technically speaking, you would have to be slightly more neutral than the Steelers themselves.
 
2013-12-03 09:42:08 AM

The Loaf: LasersHurt:
Sports fans are a little nuts sometimes. Enjoy my $.02 as a more-neutral party.

Location: PA

Though I suppose, technically speaking, you would have to be slightly more neutral than the Steelers themselves.


If being in PA means I have to be a rabid fan of things from it, I'm going to have some issues. Besides, couldn't I be an Eagles Fan? (I'm not)

The Muthaship: LasersHurt: but assuming it was somehow intentional cheating is just reading in to make you feel good.

He was watching the jumbotron, of course it was intentional cheating.  In fact, there is no other kind of cheating.


This assumes it was cheating, however. Unless you have some inside line on Tomlin's brain, you're just assuming it.
 
2013-12-03 09:43:21 AM

LasersHurt: Unless you have some inside line on Tomlin's brain, you're just assuming it.


No, I just have eyes.
 
2013-12-03 09:45:34 AM
If this keeps idiots like Jim Harbaugh and Carroll off of the field, then it's okay with me.
 
2013-12-03 09:45:34 AM

The Muthaship: LasersHurt: Unless you have some inside line on Tomlin's brain, you're just assuming it.

No, I just have eyes.


I do too, and I see no evidence that it was some master plan to cheat in the most inconsequential way possible.

What happened to the days when a farkup was just a farkup, and not a conspiracy?
 
2013-12-03 09:49:08 AM
He no in tent. He on field interfering with play.
 
2013-12-03 09:49:16 AM

LasersHurt: What happened to the days when a farkup was just a farkup, and not a conspiracy?


I don't know.  This is no conspiracy.  He watched the play coming up, moved into the way of the runner, then moved after accomplishing his goal.  Easy peasy.

And I was rooting for Pittsburgh.

It would be nice if would just man up, and "wear it" as he's so fond of saying.

/how is stopping a return for a TD inconsequential by the way?
 
2013-12-03 09:50:49 AM

The Muthaship: LasersHurt: What happened to the days when a farkup was just a farkup, and not a conspiracy?

I don't know.  This is no conspiracy.  He watched the play coming up, moved into the way of the runner, then moved after accomplishing his goal.  Easy peasy.

And I was rooting for Pittsburgh.

It would be nice if would just man up, and "wear it" as he's so fond of saying.

/how is stopping a return for a TD inconsequential by the way?


The Runner himself said it did not affect the potential for a TD. You said you have eyes, the defenders were right on him.

Also, Tomlin HAS manned up and owned it - he admitted right after the game that he screwed up.

Did you read the article? Both of these things were in there.
 
2013-12-03 09:55:08 AM

LasersHurt: Tomlin HAS manned up and owned it


He's claiming it was unintentional.  Hell, it's even in the headline!  Quite manly.

LasersHurt: You said you have eyes, the defenders were right on him.


Kick returners never outrun defenders when allowed to run unimpeded.  Got it.
 
2013-12-03 09:56:18 AM

LasersHurt: He was standing still, and all of an inch onto the field (upon further review.)


http://deadspin.com/new-footage-shows-mike-tomlin-stepping-toward-th e- field-1474951700

Yea, totally "standing still"

I guess he got a better view from a foot to the right.
 
2013-12-03 09:56:44 AM

The Muthaship: LasersHurt: Tomlin HAS manned up and owned it

He's claiming it was unintentional.  Hell, it's even in the headline!  Quite manly.

LasersHurt: You said you have eyes, the defenders were right on him.

Kick returners never outrun defenders when allowed to run unimpeded.  Got it.


If you're gonna ignore what Jones himself said, I can't help you. This is what I meant by Sports Fans being a little nuts.
 
2013-12-03 10:00:11 AM

LasersHurt: If you're gonna ignore what Jones himself said, I can't help you


''Before I got to him, he was halfway on the field,'' Jones said. ''He gave me a little juke, and I tried to juke him.''

The article also says he doesn't blame Tomlin for his having not scored, or for doing what he did.  That doesn't mean it didn't keep him from scoring or that the interference was inconsequential.  Jones makes it clear he has no doubt it was intentional.  So, if you want to go with what he said, count me as being in full agreement.

And again, I am not a fan of either team (or even of the sport much), but I was rooting for Pittsburgh.
 
2013-12-03 10:00:37 AM

LasersHurt: The Muthaship: LasersHurt: What happened to the days when a farkup was just a farkup, and not a conspiracy?

I don't know.  This is no conspiracy.  He watched the play coming up, moved into the way of the runner, then moved after accomplishing his goal.  Easy peasy.

And I was rooting for Pittsburgh.

It would be nice if would just man up, and "wear it" as he's so fond of saying.

/how is stopping a return for a TD inconsequential by the way?

The Runner himself said it did not affect the potential for a TD. You said you have eyes, the defenders were right on him.

Also, Tomlin HAS manned up and owned it - he admitted right after the game that he screwed up.

Did you read the article? Both of these things were in there.


I think Jacoby took the high road after the game, the footage that came out yesterday of him talking to Torrey after the game showed him a little more fired up and he admitted it changed his path on the field.

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Late-For-Work-123-New- Mi ke-Tomlin-Footage-Emerges-May-Change-Minds/315e6060-d6fd-4f56-8eb4-f51 98d2ccb90

Watch the imbedded video half way down the page.
 
2013-12-03 10:03:40 AM

Antidamascus: LasersHurt: He was standing still, and all of an inch onto the field (upon further review.)

http://deadspin.com/new-footage-shows-mike-tomlin-stepping-toward-th e- field-1474951700

Yea, totally "standing still"

I guess he got a better view from a foot to the right.


You beat me to it. Yeah, I dont care one way or another but no f-ing way he didn't know what he was doing since seeing that new video come out.
 
2013-12-03 10:04:21 AM

LasersHurt: The Muthaship: LasersHurt: What happened to the days when a farkup was just a farkup, and not a conspiracy?


The NFL went from multi-million, to multi-billion.

The Runner himself said it did not affect the potential for a TD. You said you have eyes, the defenders were right on him.
Also, Tomlin HAS manned up and owned it - he admitted right after the game that he screwed up.
Did you read the article? Both of these things were in there.


The only Jones quote in the article stated that he had to 'juke' to get out of Tomlin's way.    A juke is a football move.   In other articles, he did state that he had to break his stride to avoid Tomlin.   He did say that 'he should have scored anyway', but that's how players feel after every carry/reception/return.
 
2013-12-03 10:05:35 AM

The Muthaship: LasersHurt: If you're gonna ignore what Jones himself said, I can't help you

''Before I got to him, he was halfway on the field,'' Jones said. ''He gave me a little juke, and I tried to juke him.''

The article also says he doesn't blame Tomlin for his having not scored, or for doing what he did.  That doesn't mean it didn't keep him from scoring or that the interference was inconsequential.  Jones makes it clear he has no doubt it was intentional.  So, if you want to go with what he said, count me as being in full agreement.

And again, I am not a fan of either team (or even of the sport much), but I was rooting for Pittsburgh.


"Jones said after the game that [he] didn't blame the coach for Jones' inability to score."

I'm just saying.
 
2013-12-03 10:06:56 AM

LasersHurt: I'm just saying that I don't understand what happened.



Ok.
 
2013-12-03 10:07:57 AM

The Muthaship: LasersHurt: I'm just saying that I don't understand what happened.


Ok.


It's in plain text, I don't know what you want. And I've posted wayyyyyyy wayyyyy too many responses to this already, for something that neither of us really care about. We disagree, that's fine, but like... that sentence is right there, man.
 
2013-12-03 10:09:10 AM
I'm disappointed in the lack of animated goodies in this thread.
 
2013-12-03 10:10:14 AM

LasersHurt: The Muthaship: LasersHurt: What happened to the days when a farkup was just a farkup, and not a conspiracy?

I don't know.  This is no conspiracy.  He watched the play coming up, moved into the way of the runner, then moved after accomplishing his goal.  Easy peasy.

And I was rooting for Pittsburgh.

It would be nice if would just man up, and "wear it" as he's so fond of saying.

/how is stopping a return for a TD inconsequential by the way?

The Runner himself said it did not affect the potential for a TD. You said you have eyes, the defenders were right on him.

Also, Tomlin HAS manned up and owned it - he admitted right after the game that he screwed up.

Did you read the article? Both of these things were in there.


Typically a football player learns to stay off the field of play at the Pee Wee level.  For older newcomers, they can usually grasp right away that the rule is to stay off the field of play if you're not one of the 11 players on the team.  And they make it easy at the pro level with a huge wide white stripe to let you know you're getting close to the field.

With all of the experience Tomlin has, I seriously doubt he would lose focus to the point of meandering across the sideline onto the field.  So he is either (1) grossly incompetent or (2) guilty as sin.  Take your pick.
 
2013-12-03 10:11:59 AM

Marcus Aurelius: So he is either (1) grossly incompetent or (2) guilty as sin.  Take your pick.


I've indicated (1) a few times. I think the dude farked up.
 
2013-12-03 10:13:43 AM

LasersHurt: It's in plain text, I don't know what you want


The impossible.  For you to admit you were wrong here, and that Tomlin knew exactly what he was doing.  That it had an effect on Jones' return, whether that effect was preventing a TD or just limiting the total yards gained.  And, while we're dreaming, to admit that Jones saying that he doesn't blame Tomlin for him not scoring doesn't mean that Tomlin didn't intentionally interfere with the play in a game that ends up being decided by 2 points.
 
2013-12-03 10:15:31 AM

The Muthaship: LasersHurt: It's in plain text, I don't know what you want

The impossible.  For you to admit you were wrong here, and that Tomlin knew exactly what he was doing.  That it had an effect on Jones' return, whether that effect was preventing a TD or just limiting the total yards gained.  And, while we're dreaming, to admit that Jones saying that he doesn't blame Tomlin for him not scoring doesn't mean that Tomlin didn't intentionally interfere with the play in a game that ends up being decided by 2 points.


Tell you what, you prove it was intentional and I will buy you so many beers. Otherwise, I will evaluate it based on what people said about it and what I saw, in the land where sometimes things are just idiotic and not malicious.
 
2013-12-03 10:22:05 AM

mjones73: LasersHurt: The Muthaship: LasersHurt: What happened to the days when a farkup was just a farkup, and not a conspiracy?

I don't know.  This is no conspiracy.  He watched the play coming up, moved into the way of the runner, then moved after accomplishing his goal.  Easy peasy.

And I was rooting for Pittsburgh.

It would be nice if would just man up, and "wear it" as he's so fond of saying.

/how is stopping a return for a TD inconsequential by the way?

The Runner himself said it did not affect the potential for a TD. You said you have eyes, the defenders were right on him.

Also, Tomlin HAS manned up and owned it - he admitted right after the game that he screwed up.

Did you read the article? Both of these things were in there.

I think Jacoby took the high road after the game, the footage that came out yesterday of him talking to Torrey after the game showed him a little more fired up and he admitted it changed his path on the field.

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Late-For-Work-123-New- Mi ke-Tomlin-Footage-Emerges-May-Change-Minds/315e6060-d6fd-4f56-8eb4-f51 98d2ccb90

Watch the imbedded video half way down the page.


This video is worthless.  It doesn't show anything new.  I don't know why everyone was breathlessly linking to it yesterday.
 
2013-12-03 10:24:31 AM

The Muthaship: LasersHurt: but assuming it was somehow intentional cheating is just reading in to make you feel good.

He was watching the jumbotron, of course it was intentional cheating.  In fact, there is no other kind of cheating.


The cheatin' Steelers have pulled this sh*t before.

/seahawks fan
 
2013-12-03 10:25:59 AM

LasersHurt: Tell you what, you prove it was intentional and I will buy you so many beers.


Since Jones' opinion is vital to you, here's what else he said:

"I would never get caught," Jones screamed to his teammates and coaches immediately afterward.
"Coach was on the field," Jones then told.Torrey Holt "(Tomlin) was on the field, watching the Jumbotron. I had to go around him, bro. ... I'm running down the sideline like, 'Look at this (expletive).' Swear to God. (Tomlin) was on the field! (Tomlin) was on the field!"


Also, check out the video of the sh*t eating grin on Tomlin after the play in the USA Today article.

If you still think it's an accident, I want you on my jury if I ever get charged with a crime.
 
2013-12-03 10:29:49 AM
"I didn't mean to intentionally hold that pass rusher, I just farked up and put my arm around his throat. Prove to me it was intentional or pick up that flag"

"I didn't intentionally inject all the steroids, I just farked up by just injecting any random syringe in my arm. Prove to me it was intentional or put me in the hall of fame"

"I didn't intentionally rape those girls in the bathroom. I just farked up by thinking it was opposite day. Prove to me it was intentional or.... well nothing really happened here"
 
2013-12-03 10:29:54 AM

The Muthaship: LasersHurt: Tell you what, you prove it was intentional and I will buy you so many beers.

Since Jones' opinion is vital to you, here's what else he said:

"I would never get caught," Jones screamed to his teammates and coaches immediately afterward.
"Coach was on the field," Jones then told.Torrey Holt "(Tomlin) was on the field, watching the Jumbotron. I had to go around him, bro. ... I'm running down the sideline like, 'Look at this (expletive).' Swear to God. (Tomlin) was on the field! (Tomlin) was on the field!"

Also, check out the video of the sh*t eating grin on Tomlin after the play in the USA Today article.

If you still think it's an accident, I want you on my jury if I ever get charged with a crime.


A runner believes he would have made a touchdown? Shenanigans!

shiat eating grin? Circumstantial evidence that means absolutely nothing. He smiled sometime after it, oh no. I hope you're never on my jury.
 
2013-12-03 10:32:03 AM

LasersHurt: A runner believes he would have made a touchdown


At least we're making progress....

Circumstantial evidence means nothing?

I reallywant you on my jury,
 
2013-12-03 10:32:11 AM

LasersHurt: Sports fans are a little nuts sometimes. Enjoy my $.02 as a more-neutral party.


More neutral than what exactly, someone employed by the Ravens? You definitely seem to have a pro Steeler bias.
 
2013-12-03 10:33:32 AM
Great clown Pagliacci's pick-me-up:

Your entire post was pants on head retarded, but I will note that in Tomlin's case it doesn't matter if it was intentional or not, it happened and therefore he's gonna get in some shiat. Same with Holding on a play - doesn't matter if it's intentional or not, it happened. He will, and must, accept the consequences.

Your other two examples, though, woof. Like they don't hold trials for rape, to prove it?
 
2013-12-03 10:34:33 AM

farbekrieg: LasersHurt: Sports fans are a little nuts sometimes. Enjoy my $.02 as a more-neutral party.

More neutral than what exactly, someone employed by the Ravens? You definitely seem to have a pro Steeler bias.


Yeah, yeah, I can't have a different opinion if I don't love the Steelers, I get it.

The Muthaship: Circumstantial evidence means nothing?


Effectively nothing, yes.
 
2013-12-03 10:36:37 AM

LasersHurt: Effectively nothing, yes.


Well, I guess I should forgive you for your abject wrongness in this thread.

You have no concept of the rules of evidence, I will now cease mocking your ignorance.
 
2013-12-03 10:39:23 AM
LasersHurt has successfully trolled this thread ignoring the videos people posted and defiantly sticking to his obviously incorrect opinion.  Great job dude.
 
2013-12-03 10:41:00 AM

Stimied in a Rut: LasersHurt has successfully trolled this thread ignoring the videos people posted and defiantly sticking to his obviously incorrect opinion.  Great job dude.


What, exactly, do you think my opinion is? He clearly did it, and he's going to get in trouble, as he should. I just think it was idiocy, not malice. Is that not clear?

The Muthaship: LasersHurt: Effectively nothing, yes.

Well, I guess I should forgive you for your abject wrongness in this thread.

You have no concept of the rules of evidence, I will now cease mocking your ignorance.


*smiles* OH shiat WHAT DID I JUST CONFESS TO
 
2013-12-03 10:42:21 AM
I'm a big Ravens fan, and I dislike the Steelers and Tomlin as much as the next Baltimoron, buuuut...

The league is handling this the correct way.

The one problem with what went down is that the referee on the sideline (who also had to run around Tomlin) should have flagged it immediately.
 
2013-12-03 10:42:53 AM
I don't think Tomlin did it on purpose, but intent (or lack thereof) is no excuse; there should be a fine.

As it turns out, Jones' failure to get in the end zone on that kickoff return did not affect the outcome of the game, and Tomlin is being (correctly) censured, so I'm not sure why people are still all spun up about this. If we're biatching about stuff that didn't change the final result, I'm pissed that the Ravens basically got rewarded for that vicious hit to the head on Bell. If the NFL really wants to lower the incidence of concussions, the message they sent with that didn't help.
 
2013-12-03 10:48:48 AM

Inchoate: As it turns out, Jones' failure to get in the end zone on that kickoff return did not affect the outcome of the game, and Tomlin is being (correctly) censured, so I'm not sure why people are still all spun up about this. If we're biatching about stuff that didn't change the final result, I'm pissed that the Ravens basically got rewarded for that vicious hit to the head on Bell. If the NFL really wants to lower the incidence of concussions, the message they sent with that didn't help.


As I recall, the Steelers got a touchdown on that drive, and failed on the two point conversion, thus that hit did not affect the outcome of the game.
 
2013-12-03 10:49:34 AM
As an almost-lifetime Stillers fan (I ain't dead yet), I say he did it on purpose.

However, if it was as blatant as some are saying, the refs could have awarded Jones a touchdown.
 
2013-12-03 10:49:43 AM
The jump to the left comes before the step to the right!

content6.flixster.com
 
2013-12-03 10:51:34 AM

poughdrew: As I recall, the Steelers got a touchdown on that drive, and failed on the two point conversion, thus that hit did not affect the outcome of the game.


Inchoate: If we're biatching about stuff that didn't change the final result

Ahem.
 
2013-12-03 10:52:07 AM

Inchoate: I don't think Tomlin did it on purpose, but intent (or lack thereof) is no excuse; there should be a fine.

As it turns out, Jones' failure to get in the end zone on that kickoff return did not affect the outcome of the game, and Tomlin is being (correctly) censured, so I'm not sure why people are still all spun up about this. If we're biatching about stuff that didn't change the final result, I'm pissed that the Ravens basically got rewarded for that vicious hit to the head on Bell. If the NFL really wants to lower the incidence of concussions, the message they sent with that didn't help.


The legal hit on Bell in which Bell himself could have been fined for using his helmet as a battering ram?

That one?

It's a goal line stand against a running back. If he didn't try to force the issue and just went down it wouldn't have happened.
 
2013-12-03 10:52:23 AM
What the fark does it matter what the "intent" was? He broke the rule and interfered with the play. The interference has no relationship with intent or outcome, it's due to the fact he broke the rule. He's going to get slammed hard by the league, the team is going to get fined, and if the Steelers are very, very lucky, they won't lose any draft picks.

Simply put, the field of play is for players. It bugs me to no end how often sideline violations go uncalled. It's such a simple rule and it's there for a reason... so crap like this is never an issue.
 
2013-12-03 10:52:40 AM
10/10 lasers hurt. You got more action than Sarah Palin would in a FARK political thread
 
2013-12-03 10:54:39 AM

Nightenstaff: What the fark does it matter what the "intent" was? He broke the rule and interfered with the play. The interference has no relationship with intent or outcome, it's due to the fact he broke the rule. He's going to get slammed hard by the league, the team is going to get fined, and if the Steelers are very, very lucky, they won't lose any draft picks.

Simply put, the field of play is for players. It bugs me to no end how often sideline violations go uncalled. It's such a simple rule and it's there for a reason... so crap like this is never an issue.


Intent would probably come into play in determining the severity of the punishment. A fine alone or further action.
 
2013-12-03 10:56:22 AM

mikaloyd: 10/10 lasers hurt. You got more action than Sarah Palin would in a FARK political thread


Putting PA in his profile was cheating.

I still feel dirty....
 
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